*sigh* my sheik

[DtJ Jungle]

So..i figure it was time that i finally post vids of me...
two sheik vids
i just sort of picked her up


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A08sDCGUMA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDo7j04bF1g



so for all you who hate my spam/retardness/or me in general.

let the critique begin

 

[Skrah]

O well, I'm no sheik player but I do know what an annoying as **** sheik loves to do xD

First of all, I'm guessing you won on the first match, sorry but i hate soundless videos, so when I clicked on the first one i was like :/ so I skipped that one and clicked on the second one and said **** it.
I noticed a few things that can be fix'd. First, it seems as if laser spamming ***** you. Try to get a way around it, FJ or SH the lasers and punish the hoe. Also, you seem to rely a lot on dsmash, on the verge on being very predictable. Mix it up a bit. Do a ftilt/utilt to nair/uair/fair. Works wonders on spacies. Also learn the chaingrabs. Sheik has a *****load of chaingrabs.

Work on your edgeguarding and needle play.

Also you are kinda predictable when approaching. Most of the time you'd SH aerial. Again, mix it up. Do empty SH's, wavedash, dashdance, the works. When attempting to grab, remember to JC grab. It really helps.

Appart from that, work on your recovery and the works. Hope this helps

 

[DtJ Jungle]

okw ell no i didnt win te first game

theres no chain grab on spacies. just tech chasing

i know im predictable...that was the firs ttime ive used sheik like...seriously. /johns.

dash dance with sheiks isnt all that great unless you like fox trot it or whatver...

but yeah thanks

 

[spider_sense]

Keep on at it. Yeah, you f-tilts and d-tilts on space animals at high percent; if your best bet because it sets them high in the air and you can follow up with an F-air. Throw needles from the edge whenever they try to recover, and always make sure you charge them as often as you can. Yeah, you gotta learn how to tech chase with her grab game. Overall you can have a pretty decent Sheik, so I have no doubt it'll get beast in no time....My Ganon will still wreak it though. =P (j/k)

 

[DtJ Jungle]

hahaha jason. bring it. train me :D

 

[RaynEX]

jungle you need to shield more. Shiek's shield is big and broken. Try moving around to get a feel for how fast she is and stuff. It'll be easier to cover your opponents options/chase on platforms/look cool. : )

 

[DtJ Jungle]

yah im trying to get a feel for sheiks movement on platforms with wavelanding and other stuff still

yeah i have ****ty shield work...how does one make betteR?

 

[KirbyKaze]

RaynEX gives such good advice

All I was going to say was Nair OoS when they're pressuring you that much but **** that advice just ***** mine.

Also CC jabs into grabs. Don't remember if he jab-grabbed much, but if he was then do it.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

meh nair OoS is still handy though

and CC'ing...me need moar of that you're right

thanks KK :D


you should teach me all this...but you ahve to come here first

 

[Hazygoose]

i like uair'ing out of shield, actually. picked it up from dazwa and it is SEXXXXXAY :D

1) mind percentages. don't get CC ***** by trying to ftilt a fox when he's at 0% and don't try to follow everything up all the time. as a general rule, this matchup should require sheik chasing down fox less than 10% of the time (unless it's a spammy fox...boo)

2) edgeguarding. learn it, live it. especially against spacies, you have a pretty good chance as sheik, once you get them off the stage, to only let them back on with help from their flying nimbus.

3) stop approaching with dash attack XD you have so many better options. you can grab, you can drephen (running downsmash), you can bait them and punish with tilts/grabs/dsmash...so many safer things to do than dash attack into shield :X

4) speaking of grabbing, more grabbing! and more dthrows. then you'll start making spacies cry, and all will be right in the universe again

good luck! :D

 

[DtJ Jungle]

thanks

bait them with what?

do you go to OU?

 

[Hazygoose]

thanks

bait them with what?

do you go to OU?

no, but i live near campus. i'm from here, but i go to school in connecticut.

and bait them with fake approaches, i mean. like, your approaches were very easy to see coming, and sheik only has a couple of options when directly gunning at someone. so it's relatively easy to counter, especially with fox who has a ******** amount of options in every aspect of the game.
so, you want to cut their spacing, and create a situation where the fox thinks you're approaching because of it. it's sort of an offensive defense. but yeah, once fox comes in with a nair/comes for a grab/whatever, you end up having the spacing advantage when he approaches. WD or dash-dance to grab, downsmash, run up and tilt juggle, etc. but if you corner a fox until he approaches...gg :D

i don't think i clearly said all i wanted to say or even made what i did say that articulate :X
but yeah, if you catch any part of it, win the spacing war by being aggressive and then countering fox's approach.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Hazy harnesses the awesome power of the goose.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

yah i think i got it

thanks :D

hai KK :D

 

[JonaDiaper]

lololololol so you actually play melee

not gonna hate, just keep at it.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

yes. yes i do.

 

[soap]

no, but i live near campus. i'm from here, but i go to school in connecticut.

and bait them with fake approaches, i mean. like, your approaches were very easy to see coming, and sheik only has a couple of options when directly gunning at someone. so it's relatively easy to counter, especially with fox who has a ******** amount of options in every aspect of the game.
so, you want to cut their spacing, and create a situation where the fox thinks you're approaching because of it. it's sort of an offensive defense. but yeah, once fox comes in with a nair/comes for a grab/whatever, you end up having the spacing advantage when he approaches. WD or dash-dance to grab, downsmash, run up and tilt juggle, etc. but if you corner a fox until he approaches...gg :D

i don't think i clearly said all i wanted to say or even made what i did say that articulate :X
but yeah, if you catch any part of it, win the spacing war by being aggressive and then countering fox's approach.

this is actually decent advice for the fox matchup. Always be ready for their approach, but u need to be in the right position to pressure them into approaching. One thing hazy didnt mention is run at them then predict the incoming nair and short hop backwards then shffl fair on whiff. If they CC shffl again. I try to look for safe opportunities where i can flat out rush them too. Just keep your eyes open and dont throw out attacks into shields. U actually can but they need to be spaced well or with retreating DI.

for instance, to call a jump outta shield i usually do a long foxtrot at them, then a quick dash back pivot a full jump bair over their shield to catch the jump. flailing out a badly spaced fair will get u ***** quick.

against falco be as aggresive as possible. to get through lasers, manipulating the laser height works very well with sheik. U crouch mid to high lasers then wavedash in between, once they start getting them low, u can shorthop then waveland forward. once u close some space look for a mid to high laser that u can dash attack under, or a low one that u can shffl an aerial over. for mid distances just use fulljump needle approaches over the lasers.

from far away u can also fulljump charge over a laser, hold the charge till u land then release them through the incoming laser and gain net damage if u wanna make him impatient. This takes very particular timing though and there are many variable timings to account for such as their ful jump laser variations which u can adjust by storing, fastfalls, and doublejumps. Having experience as falco and knowing the laser variations and what they are likely thinking helps greatly.

but most of all your sheik looked inexperienced and u failed at alot of the basics. I would work on basic movement and spacing. (wavedash out of shield quicker, learn the slower dash dance timing, wavedashes to reset the dash dance, etc.)

lol wall of text:embarrass

 

[Stos]

GET EM JUNGLE!
i love chain grabbing LOL

 

[JonaDiaper]

chain grabbing is as gay as link >.>
people with swords are just generally gay...
except for roy... lol

 

[Stos]

chain grabbing is as gay as link >.>
people with swords are just generally gay...
except for roy... lol

charcaters with tights witha helmet shaped like a ***** head with gay glasses shouldnt be in melee!

jks =D

jungle dont tell me your picking up sheik

 

[soap]

jungle dont tell me your picking up sheik

she is a good secondary to have either way you look at it.

come on sots, complete the triforce

 

[JonaDiaper]

charcaters with tights witha helmet shaped like a ***** head with gay glasses shouldnt be in melee!

jks =D

jungle dont tell me your picking up sheik

D= i know your not tryin to dis the most fashionable (lmao gay word) character in melee..

and werd son pick up falcon.. sheik is gay, and so is everyone else in top tier, and high tier..

 

[DtJ Jungle]

im actually tryign to main sheik but yeah soap i am very inexperienced in general :/

thats the first tourney action my sheik has seen..and other htan that its just ben to **** around with and stuff

but you guys made some good posts, specially hazy and soap

thanks guys :D

 

[0Room]

I noticed in the first video [0:20] you seemed to miss the dash-attack by setting it too early.
It's an easy problem to fix but one that you can be really punished for.
I would simply say just wait that one extra second before pressing it.

Also the "predictable approach" problem is in the same category: easily fixed but easily punished.
Like Skrah said, maybe do an empty short hop for MGs, do a Nair instead of an Fair, or something similar where it's still a valid approach but throws off your opponent.

Also, first video, 0:48 and 1:37 you dropped DOWN onto a Fox.
That's a REALLY bad idea. I would say avoid this at all costs: they expect that and know how to punish you for it.
By the time you get down to them, they have a grab or a Bair waiting for you, trust me. Rather than drop straight down, drop over to the side and throw a needle or something.

0:59 the only thing I have to say is Grab the Edge! No matter really what position you're in, if you grab the edge and they're off the stage, you generally have the upper hand.
Why?
They can't grab the edge, so they MUST GO ABOVE YOU, or hit you to knock you off.
In this case, SCOTU would have had to go above you [as he was already], but seeing that, you can plan for it by placing a Nair or a Uair at his Estimated Position.
If someone's behind you but close to you, use a Nair because the sweet spot is Sheik's right knee...which is close to Sheik's body BUT behind her!
It's great for hitting [in particular] Link off the stage if he's below you, but I find it useful for anyone who's not far enough for a sweet spotted Bair.

Alright, I hope I helped you with your Sheik!
And just remember: practice beats skill.