Shrine Maiden of Paradise ~ Reimu Hakurei (Touhou Project)

[Ridrool64]

Alright, I think I'll go from there. Thanks for the advice.

Also don't get me wrong. People on this forum can handle characters other than their favorites happening. Other places I frequent are likely... not going to be as receptive to Touhou representation, unfortunately. But this place is overall much better about that.

On another note, I tried this "Moedan" game that seemed to be a tutorial? I couldn't follow along because all I can do is read English, and the game is really really hard when you forget you have bombs, but those bombs are probably why I could find this fun. I liked it and look forward to a more... standard experience.

 

[Arcadenblog]

I'd like to remind you that I'm still updating and editing the document I posted earlier: https://docs.google.com/document/d/14MNrtb-cQahKkwISCosLlDnrMld8VjVPamxfevUPecQ/edit?usp=sharing

[EDIT: Every time I update the document, I will add the date into the header of the document, as well as highlight the most recent edit in yellow.]

 

[nintenplayer]

Also don't get me wrong. People on this forum can handle characters other than their favorites happening. Other places I frequent are likely... not going to be as receptive to Touhou representation, unfortunately.

Yeah... There are a lot of babies out there on the internet. Smashboards is, as far as I know, the only civil Smash fansite I can think of. Reddit's okay-ish until you sort posts/comments by new. But other sites, especially from what I've experienced after the August Direct as an Ashley supporter, are very toxic. **Cough cough 4chan cough cough**

 

[puremrz]

Yeah... There are a lot of babies out there on the internet. Smashboards is, as far as I know, the only civil Smash fansite I can think of. Reddit's okay-ish until you sort posts/comments by new. But other sites, especially from what I've experienced after the August Direct as an Ashley supporter, are very toxic. **Cough cough 4chan cough cough**

4chan likes setting people up against each other by pretending they belong to one "clan" (aka falseflagging). K. Rool versus Ashley (Why? Just because they appeared in the same video?), Steve versus Banjo (Which doesn't even make sense, since one improves the other's chances). Just imagine that behind each post is a real living person who is mentally so undeveloped and so close minded that they actually feel satisfaction from committing these immature acts, in the same way how children like making a competition over everything. A big part of Reddit doesn't like opposing opinions either, but at least many of them are afraid to show it because they're not anonymous. And then feel proud you're better than that.

Also, look at my signature. Bite me!

 

[N-V]

4chan likes setting people up against each other by pretending they belong to one "clan" (aka falseflagging). K. Rool versus Ashley (Why? Just because they appeared in the same video?), Steve versus Banjo (Which doesn't even make sense, since one improves the other's chances). Just imagine that behind each post is a real living person who is mentally so undeveloped and so close minded that they actually feel satisfaction from committing these immature acts, in the same way how children like making a competition over everything. A big part of Reddit doesn't like opposing opinions either, but at least many of them are afraid to show it because they're not anonymous. And then feel proud you're better than that.

Also, look at my signature. Bite me!

Falseflagging's mostly a problem on bigger boards like /v/. It's funny you mention it being like children making a competition over everything, since most of the people who browse those boards are underage anyway. The K. Rool/Ashley thing was uh..."something" to say the least, going by the sort of art it generated (which apparently happened because of a single person? wild). Reddit isn't really any better, though I guess that could be said for most online communities.

Alright, I think I'll go from there. Thanks for the advice.

Also don't get me wrong. People on this forum can handle characters other than their favorites happening. Other places I frequent are likely... not going to be as receptive to Touhou representation, unfortunately. But this place is overall much better about that.

On another note, I tried this "Moedan" game that seemed to be a tutorial? I couldn't follow along because all I can do is read English, and the game is really really hard when you forget you have bombs, but those bombs are probably why I could find this fun. I liked it and look forward to a more... standard experience.

Apparently Moedan's a simulator to both help newbies get into shmups and train veterans. I've never tried it myself but if you're looking for practice before jumping into a game you might want to try Danmakufu. It's all user made content so you could even script your own boss if you felt like it. Also auto-bombing is a thing in later games iirc, but it never hurts to practice manually especially if you plan on playing other shmups. There's some like DoDonPachi where bombing is absolutely essential.

 

[Arcadenblog]

I'm curious as to what the possible scenarios could be for the final reveals. Here are some I thought of.

Scenario 1: Skull Kid revealed in October, Reimu, Ayumi and Isaac revealed in November Direct
Scenario 2: Skull Kid revealed in October, Reimu and Isaac revealed in Direct, Ayumi trailer dropped out of nowhere
Scenario 3: All 4 characters revealed in Direct

 

[Luigifan18]

Uh-oh. I just saw this in the General Speculation thread...

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Suddenly, new franchises look a lot less likely.

 

[Arcadenblog]

It's either that, or Coro-Coro are attempting to back-pedal on information they accidentally revealed early. Remember, we still have the blank spots on the stage select and the sound test.

 

[Inoj]

I mentioned in the Shantae thread that 103 seems be a placeholder/misdirection number. If speculation of Spirits mode and the Magatama symbol are correct then going for 108 stages seems natural. The religious/ cultural significance of nr. 108 is pretty big.

 

[N-V]

In agreement with everyone else here. I said this in the Lip thread too, but the amount of stages wouldn't really effect the chances of characters from new franchises anyway.

 

[guitargamer57]

In agreement with everyone else here. I said this in the Lip thread too, but the amount of stages wouldn't really effect the chances of characters from new franchises anyway.

Most people think it's the other way around, because if there's no new stage, it at least means no new franchises getting in the game. Until now, there has not been any franchise without its own stage.

 

[Ridrool64]

Technically that's not true, but for this game it has almost been.

Smash 64 had Ness and Falcon, Melee had Fire Emblem, and Brawl onwards has R.O.B. Dr. Mario has no such stage, but is Mario series so it doesn't really count.

 

[nintenplayer]

This doesn't really disprove anything, it just puts us back to zero.

Actually, Corocoro fixing that makes it more likely that there are more stages left imo. Because it kinda means that they are trying to hide the fact that there are 108 stages. Plus, it being a typo is unlikely because 3 and 8 are miles apart from one another on the keyboard.

 

[Arcadenblog]

While we're discussing stages, I'd like to note something odd about the website. Depending on your montior, the stage page could look like this:

This is when the page is 100% zoomed. Note how there are 5 slots in between Midgar and Umbra Clock Tower. This stayed consistent if I were to zoom in.


However, if I were to zoom out, the page would turn into this:

Zoom out even further and it looks like this:

This arrangement stayed consistent as I zoomed out.

I would like to know what results you all get when you visit the stage page on the website, and what happens when you zoom in or out.

 

[RileyXY1]

Technically that's not true, but for this game it has almost been.

Smash 64 had Ness and Falcon, Melee had Fire Emblem, and Brawl onwards has R.O.B. Dr. Mario has no such stage, but is Mario series so it doesn't really count.

All those examples were from before stage music was tied to series. If a series with a character does not get a stage, then their music will be kicked into the misc. section, which means that they will play on the misc. stages such as Living Room, Tomodachi Life, and Pictochat.

 

[guitargamer57]

I'd like to remind you that I'm still updating and editing the document I posted earlier: https://docs.google.com/document/d/14MNrtb-cQahKkwISCosLlDnrMld8VjVPamxfevUPecQ/edit?usp=sharing

"With the next character announcement coming sooner or later, this leak could fall apart as soon as next week. Brace yourselves and pray for mercy. "
I'm happy you're taking in consideration every piece of information, that is, things could fall apart the moment we get a new Smash Direct and we get a totally different character.
As you say, I'll pray for Reimu. Just think about it: if Reimu gets in... all the euphoria and hype mixed together could make it for the most interesting Smash Bros. we've ever had.

 

[Lasatar]

There's been some theories going around that November will contain two Directs. One Smash Direct, and one General Direct. This matches up with the LaPailleDor Leak and its four unique characters, assuming that we'd either get two characters revealed in each, or three in the Smash Direct plus another in the General Direct. I want to believe.

 

[RileyXY1]

There's been some theories going around that November will contain two Directs. One Smash Direct, and one General Direct. This matches up with the LaPailleDor Leak and its four unique characters, assuming that we'd either get two characters revealed in each, or three in the Smash Direct plus another in the General Direct. I want to believe.

Also, there are only 15 veterans left to be covered on the blog. Assuming that 2 more will be covered this week, that will leave only 12 yet to be covered by the end of this week. If there are no more new characters, then every character will be covered by November 23rd. If there are 2 more new characters (if the Box Theory is correct) then every fighter will be covered by November 30th. However, if there are 8 more new characters (if LaPelleDor is correct), there would need to be weeks with 4 characters covered in order for the blog to cover every character on the base roster before release.

 

[Arcadenblog]

There's been some theories going around that November will contain two Directs. One Smash Direct, and one General Direct. This matches up with the LaPailleDor Leak and its four unique characters, assuming that we'd either get two characters revealed in each, or three in the Smash Direct plus another in the General Direct. I want to believe.

Could you enlighten me when it comes to these theories? I'm willing to bet the second direct could be a mini one.

 

[Lasatar]

Could you enlighten me when it comes to these theories? I'm willing to bet the second direct could be a mini one.

This is where I originally heard it from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlSUKV672AY

It's been going around GameFAQs and a few other forums. Nothing's confirmed, but even so, it gives us a chance

 

[Troykv]

I would usually say that 108 Stages was a mistake... but... The overall design of the stage selection it was shown in the direct was... weird... I mean; it doesn't look designed in a pretty way; it looks incomplete... The 108 Stages looks more like an accidental leak.

 

[Wurmple for smash]

I support! Also which Touhou game should I start with?

 

[Arcadenblog]

I support! Also which Touhou game should I start with?

Embodiment of Scarlet Devil or Perfect Cherry Blossom.

 

[NobleClamtasm]

Yeah... There are a lot of babies out there on the internet. Smashboards is, as far as I know, the only civil Smash fansite I can think of. Reddit's okay-ish until you sort posts/comments by new. But other sites, especially from what I've experienced after the August Direct as an Ashley supporter, are very toxic. **Cough cough 4chan cough cough**

Fortunately Touhou, the series is actually very ingrained in 4chan culture. You may see disdain for Reimu now, but realize that /v/ is one of the most popular boards on the site, with the most underage posters, and is also among the least respected of the boards. Not every Touhou fan is willing to subject themselves to the headache that is the average Smash thread on /v/, which is why she may not be as popular as it seems. However, if the miracle happens that Reimu gets in, you'd be sure to see cross-boarders flock to /v/ to push back the dissent, if the reveal doesn't absolutely destroy the site in the first place.

I support! Also which Touhou game should I start with?

I personally started with PCB. Play Embodiment once you get a feel of your hitbox. And remember to hold shift for focused movement.

 

[nintenplayer]

So.... a new leak came out. What do you guys think of it?

Personally I'm kinda on team real. The only thing that kinda goes against it is that there are too many newcomers, but I think that can be easily explained by saying that some of them are wave 1 DLC characters.

And how do you guys think this affects Reimu's chances? Because if this leak is real, and if some of those are DLC, that would deconfirm Reimu for at least the base roster, and possibly for some waves of DLC as well.

I personally think it doesn't really matter that much, because I'm sure this game will have multiple waves of DLCs, and Reimu technically falls into the category of "a huge third party character", so her reveal is likely to be much later.

 

[RileyXY1]

So.... a new leak came out. What do you guys think of it?

Personally I'm kinda on team real. The only thing that kinda goes against it is that there are too many newcomers, but I think that can be easily explained by saying that some of them are wave 1 DLC characters.

And how do you guys think this affects Reimu's chances? Because if this leak is real, and if some of those are DLC, that would deconfirm Reimu for at least the base roster, and possibly for some waves of DLC as well.

I personally think it doesn't really matter that much, because I'm sure this game will have multiple waves of DLCs, and Reimu technically falls into the category of "a huge third party character", so her reveal is likely to be much later.

That leak is too optimistic for its own good.

 

[nintenplayer]

That leak is too optimistic for its own good.

I mean, yeah, but that's still the only argument against it, and it's a pretty vague one imo. Visual wise it looks pretty legit, which is why I'm reluctant to debunk it.

EDIT: Okay, the lack of shadows under some characters kinda casts some doubt. I'm still leaning towards it being real, but I'm getting a little more skeptical.

 

[RileyXY1]

I mean, yeah, but that's still the only argument against it, and it's a pretty vague one imo. Visual wise it looks pretty legit, which is why I'm reluctant to debunk it.

Yeah. Unlike LaPelleDor, which also predicts a high amount of unrevealed newcomers, everyone in this leak (minus Mach Rider) is some sort of a popular pick.

 

[zferolie]

I mean, yeah, but that's still the only argument against it, and it's a pretty vague one imo. Visual wise it looks pretty legit, which is why I'm reluctant to debunk it.

EDIT: Okay, the lack of shadow kinda casts some doubt. I'm still leaning towards it being real, but I'm getting a little more skeptical.

SHadow is there though

 

[TheRockingGoomba]

So.... a new leak came out. What do you guys think of it?

Personally I'm kinda on team real. The only thing that kinda goes against it is that there are too many newcomers, but I think that can be easily explained by saying that some of them are wave 1 DLC characters.

And how do you guys think this affects Reimu's chances? Because if this leak is real, and if some of those are DLC, that would deconfirm Reimu for at least the base roster, and possibly for some waves of DLC as well.

I personally think it doesn't really matter that much, because I'm sure this game will have multiple waves of DLCs, and Reimu technically falls into the category of "a huge third party character", so her reveal is likely to be much later.

To me, something about the Chorus Kids in it look off. I don't know what it is, but they look much more painted than the rest of them

 

[nintenplayer]

SHadow is there though

Lol, I meant actual shadows under the characters. I guess I walked right into that one.
I edited it to be more clear.

To me, something about the Chorus Kids in it look off. I don't know what it is, but they look much more painted than the rest of them

I see where you're coming from, but the banner is supposed to be like "painted", so

 

[N-V]

So.... a new leak came out. What do you guys think of it?

Personally I'm kinda on team real. The only thing that kinda goes against it is that there are too many newcomers, but I think that can be easily explained by saying that some of them are wave 1 DLC characters.

And how do you guys think this affects Reimu's chances? Because if this leak is real, and if some of those are DLC, that would deconfirm Reimu for at least the base roster, and possibly for some waves of DLC as well.

I personally think it doesn't really matter that much, because I'm sure this game will have multiple waves of DLCs, and Reimu technically falls into the category of "a huge third party character", so her reveal is likely to be much later.

No offense to anyone but I always thought it was stupid to expect Reimu on the base roster to begin with, especially if it meant grasping at a blatantly fake leak. I'm 55/45 on this leak, as there's a lot of credibility and little nuances with it. But at the same time it could easily be another elaborate fake that just ended up taking awhile to conjure up.

 

[nintenplayer]

No offense to anyone but I always thought it was stupid to expect Reimu on the base roster to begin with, especially if it meant grasping at a blatantly fake leak. I'm 55/45 on this leak, as there's a lot of credibility and little nuances with it. But at the same time it could easily be another elaborate fake that just ended up taking awhile to conjure up.

Yeah, no one really expected Reimu to be in the BASE roster. What I said was just customary.

But yeah, this leak looking pretty legit so far, damn. I would have 0 complaints about this since RH rep is in, but man it would've been nicer if ALL of these were left to be a big surprise at the end... Leaks DO kill hype, don't it?

 

[zferolie]

Yeah, no one really expected Reimu to be in the BASE roster. What I said was just customary.

But yeah, this leak looking pretty legit so far, damn. I would have 0 complaints about this since RH rep is in, but man it would've been nicer if ALL of these were left to be a big surprise at the end... Leaks DO kill hype, don't it?

I don't think Leaks kill hype at all. I feel like a bunch of people are still pretty hyped about this. Plus, The TMNT were leaked for Injustice 2, and that didn't kill the hype for them,

 

[nintenplayer]

I don't think Leaks kill hype at all. I feel like a bunch of people are still pretty hyped about this. Plus, The TMNT were leaked for Injustice 2, and that didn't kill the hype for them,

Well yeah, it doesn't KILL it, I'm still super hyped about all these characters in this leak, but still... It would've been EVEN MORE hype if we were able to be surprised by this by watching a direct, you know.

 

[zferolie]

Well yeah, it doesn't KILL it, I'm still super hyped about all these characters in this leak, but still... It would've been EVEN MORE hype if we were able to be surprised by this by watching a direct, you know.

A surprise would have been incredible, and it still could happen, we don't know if this is legit or not really

 

[Arcadenblog]

If you had to ask me, I feel this leak is a bit shakey. Sure, we get Banjo, Isaac, etc, but Mach Rider seems like a rather bland retro pick compared to say, Napoleon or Ayumi. Also, if we were to get a Rhythm Rep, my gut tells me it wouldn't be Chorus Kids. Finally, that leak contains what would hypothetically be 5 newcomers. Any leak that contains more than 4 newcomers automatically loses credit for me.

 

[RileyXY1]

If you had to ask me, I feel this leak is a bit shakey. Sure, we get Banjo, Isaac, etc, but Mach Rider seems like a rather bland retro pick compared to say, Napoleon or Ayumi. Also, if we were to get a Rhythm Rep, my gut tells me it wouldn't be Chorus Kids. Finally, that leak contains what would hypothetically be 5 newcomers. Any leak that contains more than 4 newcomers automatically loses credit for me.

I don't think that the Chorus Kids are getting in because of hardware limitations. In an 8 player battle where everyone plays as Chorus Kids, the game will have to render 24 models at the same time. This will cause lag, especially on highly detailed stages such as Fountain of Dreams. The lag will be worse if any ATs or Poke Ball Pokemon are on the field, which means that the game will have to render even more models.

 

[nintenplayer]

I don't think that the Chorus Kids are getting in because of hardware limitations. In an 8 player battle where everyone plays as Chorus Kids, the game will have to render 24 models at the same time. This will cause lag, especially on highly detailed stages such as Fountain of Dreams. The lag will be worse if any ATs or Poke Ball Pokemon are on the field, which means that the game will have to render even more models.

Tbf, Chorus Kids' models are extremely simple, and all 3 of them share the same one, so

If you had to ask me, I feel this leak is a bit shakey. Sure, we get Banjo, Isaac, etc, but Mach Rider seems like a rather bland retro pick compared to say, Napoleon or Ayumi. Also, if we were to get a Rhythm Rep, my gut tells me it wouldn't be Chorus Kids. Finally, that leak contains what would hypothetically be 5 newcomers. Any leak that contains more than 4 newcomers automatically loses credit for me.

Actually, Mach rider kinda makes sense considering the thing Sakurai recently bought "for research". I agree it's an odd choice but it's not out of the realm of possibility.
Also iirc Chorus Kids were planned for Smash 4 so if a RH rep were to get in they are the most likely.

A surprise would have been incredible, and it still could happen, we don't know if this is legit or not really

Well, it's just that, since this leak is out, we kinda know what to expect. So unless it's fake (which is less likely than it being real as of now), we would never feel the true hype the reveal trailers might have given us. Take Mach Rider reveal for example. Imagine how surprising that would've been if we witnessed it without any prior knowledge of him being in.
I'm trying my best not to sound pessimistic but these leaks, man... I'm not really a fan.

 

[Arcadenblog]

Check the "evidence against" part of the document. It's been fun, guys.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/14MNrtb-cQahKkwISCosLlDnrMld8VjVPamxfevUPecQ/edit?usp=sharing