Shrine Maiden of Paradise ~ Reimu Hakurei (Touhou Project)

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I don't think inclusion in Smash could potentially do any more damage than memes from the franchise breaking into the mainstream, which has already happened without ruining the series. If a series is truly of quality, I think anything that exposes more people to it is fundamentally a good thing. Especially with Touhou, there's absolutely no worry of the mainline games ever compromising themselves for the sake of popularity, since every aspect is under the strict creative control of a single individual.
Agreed. It's only a guest appearance, after all. ZUN shouldn't have any obligation to change Touhou in any way because of it. If anything, it's good to have people's first introduction to Touhou through the mainline games, rather than through porn or other secondary material.

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Yeah i doubt that getting smash will hurt touhous rep. ZUN is mostly worried about big corporations ruining his view, ut its not nintendo in charge of smash... its Sakurai. And Sakurai has shown to be as faithful and respectful to every character and series put into the game. I assume ZUN would be perfectlynfime with Sakurai in charge of making Reimu fit into the game.

Also congrats on over 1000 posts now.

I am surprised the.... arguments for reimus RTC thread didnt spill here as much. I never got to put my rate in sadly, just been so busy with work.
 

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Honestly, it's nice to see Reimu getting this much support. Touhou was pretty big for me growing up, but I didn't ever think she'd have a shot at getting in Smash. Now, I'm still not sure she'd have so much of a chance, but I feel her chances aren't 0 anymore.

What about you guys? How big was/is Touhou to you? (Hope that's not too off-topic)
 

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Honestly, it's nice to see Reimu getting this much support. Touhou was pretty big for me growing up, but I didn't ever think she'd have a shot at getting in Smash. Now, I'm still not sure she'd have so much of a chance, but I feel her chances aren't 0 anymore.

What about you guys? How big was/is Touhou to you? (Hope that's not too off-topic)
I wouldn’t say it was huge for me, but there was a period of time where I was really into the fan games and played a bunch of them. I dabbled in some mainline games but mostly played fan games. The support for Reimu is reigniting my interest in the series though and making me want to revisit some of those games lol
 
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Honestly, it's nice to see Reimu getting this much support. Touhou was pretty big for me growing up, but I didn't ever think she'd have a shot at getting in Smash. Now, I'm still not sure she'd have so much of a chance, but I feel her chances aren't 0 anymore.

What about you guys? How big was/is Touhou to you? (Hope that's not too off-topic)
I only got into it a couple years back, after seeing the characters posted everywhere for ages. I'm still working on my first Normal 1CC, for Marisa/Winter in HSiFS, but haven't practiced in a while. I can get to Okina with a bunch of lives left but can't quite get over the top. I think if I work on sharpening up my bomb usage and practice Stage 5 a bit more, I'll be able to do it.
 

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Despite never playing any of the games, I do believe that Reimu is one of few indie (or doujin if you prefer) characters that has merit in her inclusion in Smash Bros.
I would like to be added as a supporter.
Since there are now Touhou games on the Nintendo Switch, which one would be the best game for a newbie like me (excluding lore)?
 
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Despite never playing any of the games, I do believe that Reimu is one of few indie (or doujin if you prefer) characters that has merit in her inclusion in Smash Bros.
I would like to be added as a supporter.
Since there are now Touhou games on the Nintendo Switch, which one would be the best game for a newbie like me (excluding lore)?
There are no official Touhou mainline/canon games currently on the Switch. There are fangames, but none are particularly good. Two games which you may be interested in are coming to the Switch in the near future. The first is an official game, and is a 2D fighting game, called Antimony of Common Flowers. This has a bunch of story/arcade modes and will expose you to a ton of the currently relevant characters, but will only really be fun if you like fighters.

The other game coming is another fan-game, but has insanely high production values, seriously professional-grade stuff. This is a Metroidvania called Touhou Luna Nights. Even though it's not official, it's really good, and I'd definitely recommend picking it up as soon as it hits the Switch. Very accessible and very fun.
 

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I was pretty obsessed with Touhou in the mid 2000's, but at some point I drifted away from it. My interest was rekindled sometime within the past few years.

Despite never playing any of the games, I do believe that Reimu is one of few indie (or doujin if you prefer) characters that has merit in her inclusion in Smash Bros.
I would like to be added as a supporter.
Since there are now Touhou games on the Nintendo Switch, which one would be the best game for a newbie like me (excluding lore)?
Of what's currently on the Switch, I hear Azure Reflections and Genso Wanderer are good. As Tuninator said, though, the cream of the crop is going to be the future releases of Antinomy of Common Flowers and Luna Nights
 

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What about you guys? How big was/is Touhou to you?
I'm still relatively new to the series, it's only been 3 years. But I must say, Touhou is something I live for. It's one of my top priorities when it comes to sub-culture. For me it holds just as much weight as Nintendo, which is something I loved for over 10 years.

It's not necessarily the games that makes me so excited, it's the world. Man, the characters and the world of Gensokyo are so fascinating and creative to me and they're the primary reason I love Touhou so much. When I'm not playing the games, I just love scrolling through Touhou wiki and reading all these cool settings about places and people this world contains.
Also Zun. Mad respect for Zun. He's one of my favorite people in general alongside with Sakurai. He makes games out of pure passion and nothing else, which makes his work feel much more genuine, and I love it.
 
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https://touhougarakuta.com/interview/specialtaidan_zun_hiroyuki_10
ZUN:
May be in the future, making games on PC becomes rare thing to do. Even if that so, I wish to make retro-chic vertical STGs. I don't think they won't stand a chance as business though. Keep making new STGs is my ideal.
Also, I want Touhou characters to show up in various games so Touhou can become famous spontaniously. That's why I want them to be in "Smash" (lol). But that won't happen just me thinking so.
Oof.
 

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Well, this is an interesting development. Looks like ZUN-sama would be willing to have Touhou represented in Smash Bros after all, but maybe he's waiting for something like Sakurai to ask for approval to use these characters before they make their debut.

Either way, I've been following this thread for quite some time. I've mentioned in the RTC day for Reimu that I've been following Touhou for quite some time and I think Reimu would be a wonderful addition to the cast and legacy of Super Smash Bros. Sign me up as a supporter for the red-white miko of the Hakurei Shrine!
 

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At least now we know that ZUN actually does want Reimu in Smash definitively. So he's not an obstacle like many others seem to think.

Still holding out hope though. I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't say that this was a hit against her, but I'm also reminded of the SNK interview. Then again, ZUN brought up Smash unprompted. Really, all we gotta do is wait.
 

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I think the takeaway is that he's willing, unlike how some people have claimed before. We don't know how far DLC will go, so maybe down the road something will change. I'd assume she isn't getting in for the time being, but that's all it is, an assumption.

More Touhou games on Switch would raise the series' profile. In the meantime, stay vigilant, Reimu supporters. Don't give up 'til the end: :ultridley::ultkrool::ultbanjokazooie:
 
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Honestly, this news makes me happy to hear! Sure, it could mean that she's not planned for DLC right now, but at the very least we know he's not opposed to her inclusion in Smash.

Also, maybe I'm too optimistic, but even if he's held by an NDA already, I don't think he'd be violating it by saying this. At the same time, well, I could be delving into it too much.

At the very least, it's an interesting development!
 

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Honestly, this news makes me happy to hear! Sure, it could mean that she's not planned for DLC right now, but at the very least we know he's not opposed to her inclusion in Smash.

Also, maybe I'm too optimistic, but even if he's held by an NDA already, I don't think he'd be violating it by saying this. At the same time, well, I could be delving into it too much.

At the very least, it's an interesting development!
Technically, he didn't. But it's definitely toeing a line I don't think anyone with an NDA would wanna cross.
 
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If anything, this could very well be that nothing has been set in stone.
But! This is very well a very good sign of Touhou crossovers in all kinds of games in the future. (Not just Smash)
 
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Honestly, I don't think this quote is anything but positive. Whether or not there were any plans in the works, he would have to act like there weren't any, so that part is essentially meaningless. What's more interesting is that it confirms he does want them in Smash, which means there's no possibility of any licensing issues whatsoever (and indeed, Sans is probably the only licensing that would be even easier than Reimu).

Didn't the Banjo & Kazooie composer say something to the effect of Banjo not being in Smash a few weeks or months before he was announced?
EDIT: Okay, I just checked, and he 100% did. https://twitter.com/prestigiouspg/status/1134517044391686145 At this point there's no way he couldn't have known that Banjo was in, right? This is standard NDA stuff.

Technically, he didn't. But it's definitely toeing a line I don't think anyone with an NDA would wanna cross.
I'm no lawyer, but it seems fine to me. He says he'd like them in Smash, just like any game dev would probably think, and then he basically says "but saying that won't make it happen".
 
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Another thing to consider is that we don’t know how many DLC characters there will be. Five more will take another year. So characters beyond that (if any) will need to be negotiated for. I hesitate to think Sakurai/Nintendo have the rest of the DLC already planned unless it’s only like 5 more or they want to do it all at once.
 
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I'm glad to hear ZUN is open to it. I honestly didn't see why not before, but seeing actual confirmation would at least clear any doubts about him not wanting to collaborate or something of the sort. At this point, I feel like it could happen down the line. It's just up to Sakurai by now. Gotta wait and see, I suppose!
 

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Hello Reimu fanbase,

I have my own little tradition between smash games where I give a shot to video game series I've never played before so I can have several characters to support for future smash games.

When Ultimate came for exemple I had found myself as a WarioWare fan and started to support Ashley in addition to Ridley.
I spent a pretty good time here thanks to that.

However with Ridley now playable I find myself with only one character to support : Ashley, meaning that I had to start my search as I once did after the release of Smash 4.

My hopes were on the Crash, Crash Team Racing & Spyro remakes since Crash & Spyro were once upon a time my favorites video game series, but while those games were as fun as I remembered when I was a kid, I do not really care about Crash or Spyro joining smash.

A few days ago, as I was listening to video game music on youtube, I was recommanded Necrofantasia from Perfect Cherry Blossom and I have been listening to a lot of Touhou music since then.

Now I've known of the Touhou series for as long as I've first had access to the internet 12 years ago, the very first forum I ever joined actually had a thread to see who could get the highest scores but I didn't pay it any attention back then, shoot'em up were of no interest to me and the nail in the coffin was my unability to understand the game language.

I picked a few things over the years of course even with never playing the Touhou series, hard to be on the internet and never hear UN Owen was her (even more with the Ran Ran Ru meme), Bad Apple, Cirno's perfect Math class or learn a few characters names like Reimu, Marissa, Cirno, Yukari, Sakuya or Flandre.

So I figured, "eh, why not give a try ?".
Imagine my surprise when I found out that the Touhou series was far bigger than I expected , that there is Touhou games sold on Nintendo systems (fan games if I understand well) and that there is a demand for a Touhou character in Smash.

So, here I am, 12 years after first learning of Touhou's existance to finally give the series the shot it deserves and possibly join you in asking for Reimu in smash but for now I am in need of your advice Reimu fans, I know that the Touhou series is difficult, so which game would be the easiest for a complete beginner like me to start with and which ones should I avoid for now ?
 
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Hello Reimu fanbase,

I have my own little tradition between smash games where I give a shot to video game series I've never played before so I can have several characters to support for future smash games.

When Ultimate came for exemple I had found myself as a WarioWare fan and started to support Ashley in addition to Ridley.
I spent a pretty good time here thanks to that.

However with Ridley now playable I find myself with only one character to support : Ashley, meaning that I had to start my search as I once did after the release of Smash 4.

My hopes were on the Crash, Crash Team Racing & Spyro remakes since Crash & Spyro were once upon a time my favorites video game series, but while those games were as fun as I remembered when I was a kid, I do not really care about Crash or Spyro joining smash.

A few days ago, as I was listening to video game music on youtube, I was recommanded Necrofantasia from Perfect Cherry Blossom and I have been listening to a lot of Touhou music since then.

Now I've known of the Touhou series for as long as I've first had access to the internet 12 years ago, the very first forum I ever joined actually had a thread to see who could get the highest scores but I didn't pay it any attention back then, shoot'em up were of no interest to me and the nail in the coffin was my unability to understand the game language.

I picked a few things over the years of course even with never playing the Touhou series, hard to be on the internet and never hear UN Owen was her (even more with the Ran Ran Ru meme), Bad Apple, Cirno's perfect Math class or learn a few characters names like Reimu, Marissa, Cirno, Yukari, Sakuya or Flandre.

So I figured, "eh, why not give a try ?".
Imagine my surprise when I found out that the Touhou series was far bigger than I expected , that there is Touhou games sold on Nintendo systems (fan games if I understand well) and that there is a demand for a Touhou character in Smash.

So, here I am, 12 years after first learning of Touhou's existance to finally give the series the shot it deserves and possibly join you in asking for Reimu in smash but for now I am in need of your advice Reimu fans, I know that the Touhou series is difficult, so which game would be the easiest for a complete beginner like me to start with and which ones should I avoid for now ?
Good question! If you're talking original mainline games, i.e. the bullet hell ones, I would probably recommend that you start with Imperishable Night. I'd personally call it the easiest of the "iconic" games (EoSD, PCB, IN) because it has a very large "deathbombing" (pressing bomb as you get hit to save the life) window, especially if you select the Reimu/Yukari team, which makes avoiding dying much easier.

Honestly, though, you couldn't really go wrong with any of EoSD, PCB, or IN, I don't think. Mountain of Faith is good for beginners too, but the bombs are very visually underwhelming, which I consider to be a poor representation of the series. One of the more recent ones that's on Steam, Hidden Star in Four Seasons, is also a great place for any beginner to jump in, and has the smoother presentation of the "modern" era of games going for it as well.

If you don't care about necessarily playing one of the bullet hells, any of the canon fighting games are great. Hopeless Masquerade, Urban Legend in Limbo and Antimony of Common Flowers (this is on Steam) are the recent ones, and will expose you to a lot of the currently-relevant characters.

There's also Luna Nights, which is a Metroidvania fangame of extremely high quality.
 
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I was actually going to post this on r/touhou but this seems more appropriate for here.

I was really excited at the possibility of Reimu becoming a playable Smash character when Sans was announced, but I’m honestly losing my optimism for Touhou in Smash.

ZUN giving that voluntary comment about Reimu in Smash pretty much confirms that even though he would like to see it happen, there are no current plans for Touhou presence in Smash. And looking at the indie representation already, it seems like it’s mostly Indie games that are more popular in recent years. I hate to admit it and it’s probably taboo to say this here, but Touhou is several years past its peak popularity. Right now, I think Hollow Knight, Cuphead, and maybe a couple of others are much sooner to get some guest appearance in Smash, playable or not.

Also, we may meme about Touhou not being anime and all but the reality is that Touhou is far less recognizable as a game series than “that weeb thing” and even a hentai series. Any “weeb” community will be more able to identify Touhou than any gaming community.

And even if she’s playable, Touhou is undoubtably going to get an even more toxic and hostile reception than most newcomers unless there’s a Fortnite character (and even that’s debatable).

Also, I would be beyond disappointed if Reimu got in but only as a Mii Costume. Right now, most Mii Costumes are doomed to be overshadowed by Sans, especially Mii Gunners. People immediately started joking that Sans replaced Mii Gunner. Yes, I would rather have Touhou not be in Smash at all and just stay separate like it currently is.

I know I sound really pessimistic here, but there seem to be a lot of bad outcomes when you consider all things.
 

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I was actually going to post this on r/touhou but this seems more appropriate for here.

I was really excited at the possibility of Reimu becoming a playable Smash character when Sans was announced, but I’m honestly losing my optimism for Touhou in Smash.

ZUN giving that voluntary comment about Reimu in Smash pretty much confirms that even though he would like to see it happen, there are no current plans for Touhou presence in Smash. And looking at the indie representation already, it seems like it’s mostly Indie games that are more popular in recent years. I hate to admit it and it’s probably taboo to say this here, but Touhou is several years past its peak popularity. Right now, I think Hollow Knight, Cuphead, and maybe a couple of others are much sooner to get some guest appearance in Smash, playable or not.

Also, we may meme about Touhou not being anime and all but the reality is that Touhou is far less recognizable as a game series than “that weeb thing” and even a hentai series. Any “weeb” community will be more able to identify Touhou than any gaming community.

And even if she’s playable, Touhou is undoubtably going to get an even more toxic and hostile reception than most newcomers unless there’s a Fortnite character (and even that’s debatable).

Also, I would be beyond disappointed if Reimu got in but only as a Mii Costume. Right now, most Mii Costumes are doomed to be overshadowed by Sans, especially Mii Gunners. People immediately started joking that Sans replaced Mii Gunner. Yes, I would rather have Touhou not be in Smash at all and just stay separate like it currently is.

I know I sound really pessimistic here, but there seem to be a lot of bad outcomes when you consider all things.
Tbh I have to disagree with almost everything.

>We don't know how much DLC they've planned ahead. Just because Reimu might not get in now doesn't mean she never will.

>Even if Touhou is past it's popularity peak the series is still going strong today and unlike the other indies you've listed it comes with a lot of history and legacy

>Touhou is a video game series. That's what matters. I say let the hoes be mad if they wanna complain about "muh anime" because there are certain Smash fans who will get pissed about any inclusion that doesn't meet their specific taste.

Lastly: I don't expect Touhou to get a Mii outfit. Sans got in because he was a big fan request with little to no chance of actually getting in as a fighter since he's not the main character. If Reimu gets in she's most definitely gonna be a playable character.

Hello Reimu fanbase,

I have my own little tradition between smash games where I give a shot to video game series I've never played before so I can have several characters to support for future smash games.

When Ultimate came for exemple I had found myself as a WarioWare fan and started to support Ashley in addition to Ridley.
I spent a pretty good time here thanks to that.

However with Ridley now playable I find myself with only one character to support : Ashley, meaning that I had to start my search as I once did after the release of Smash 4.

My hopes were on the Crash, Crash Team Racing & Spyro remakes since Crash & Spyro were once upon a time my favorites video game series, but while those games were as fun as I remembered when I was a kid, I do not really care about Crash or Spyro joining smash.

A few days ago, as I was listening to video game music on youtube, I was recommanded Necrofantasia from Perfect Cherry Blossom and I have been listening to a lot of Touhou music since then.

Now I've known of the Touhou series for as long as I've first had access to the internet 12 years ago, the very first forum I ever joined actually had a thread to see who could get the highest scores but I didn't pay it any attention back then, shoot'em up were of no interest to me and the nail in the coffin was my unability to understand the game language.

I picked a few things over the years of course even with never playing the Touhou series, hard to be on the internet and never hear UN Owen was her (even more with the Ran Ran Ru meme), Bad Apple, Cirno's perfect Math class or learn a few characters names like Reimu, Marissa, Cirno, Yukari, Sakuya or Flandre.

So I figured, "eh, why not give a try ?".
Imagine my surprise when I found out that the Touhou series was far bigger than I expected , that there is Touhou games sold on Nintendo systems (fan games if I understand well) and that there is a demand for a Touhou character in Smash.

So, here I am, 12 years after first learning of Touhou's existance to finally give the series the shot it deserves and possibly join you in asking for Reimu in smash but for now I am in need of your advice Reimu fans, I know that the Touhou series is difficult, so which game would be the easiest for a complete beginner like me to start with and which ones should I avoid for now ?
I think the newest game, Wily Beast and Weakest Creature, is a pretty good entry point. The patterns aren't too difficult and by collecting 3 or more spirits of the same type you can unleash a Hyper attack which makes the harder parts a lot easier. Music, plot and cast are also really strong imo. I suggest giving this one a go.
 

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I was actually going to post this on r/touhou but this seems more appropriate for here.

I was really excited at the possibility of Reimu becoming a playable Smash character when Sans was announced, but I’m honestly losing my optimism for Touhou in Smash.

ZUN giving that voluntary comment about Reimu in Smash pretty much confirms that even though he would like to see it happen, there are no current plans for Touhou presence in Smash. And looking at the indie representation already, it seems like it’s mostly Indie games that are more popular in recent years. I hate to admit it and it’s probably taboo to say this here, but Touhou is several years past its peak popularity. Right now, I think Hollow Knight, Cuphead, and maybe a couple of others are much sooner to get some guest appearance in Smash, playable or not.

Also, we may meme about Touhou not being anime and all but the reality is that Touhou is far less recognizable as a game series than “that weeb thing” and even a hentai series. Any “weeb” community will be more able to identify Touhou than any gaming community.

And even if she’s playable, Touhou is undoubtably going to get an even more toxic and hostile reception than most newcomers unless there’s a Fortnite character (and even that’s debatable).

Also, I would be beyond disappointed if Reimu got in but only as a Mii Costume. Right now, most Mii Costumes are doomed to be overshadowed by Sans, especially Mii Gunners. People immediately started joking that Sans replaced Mii Gunner. Yes, I would rather have Touhou not be in Smash at all and just stay separate like it currently is.

I know I sound really pessimistic here, but there seem to be a lot of bad outcomes when you consider all things.
It could very well be that Reimu might not make it into the game. However, I do think that the series' popularity is still strong enough to get it considered for Smash. Even if it's popularity peaked a while back, it hasn't fallen into obscurity. New Touhou games, whether fan-made or not, come out regularly. On top of that, the doujin scene for Touhou is very passionate. There is an entire convention about Touhou that runs yearly. Touhou is a long-standing franchise that doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon.

I think the main thing that will get in Reimu's way is, as you hinted, other franchises. There are plenty of other, more popular franchises out there. Resident Evil, Doom, Tales of, Crash Bandicoot, and so on. But, this also isn't entirely a popularity contest. If it was, I don't think we'd get a character like Terry. It really comes down to who Sakurai wants.

As far as the reaction to Reimu's inclusion in Smash would be like, yeah, I could see a lot of people on social media getting upset. But I don't think a possible negative reaction to her inclusion would be a reason to not include her. She still has a sizable fan base, and if they make Reimu to be an interesting fighter, that could make those upset at her inclusion a little less upset.
 

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tbh, I think if we didn't get the announcement of more DLC fighters, it would have been way more of a ****show.
Yeah, I agree with you. A lot more people would have been upset about his announcement. A little sad, because I think he's a cool inclusion.
 

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I'm of the opinion that this very likely means Reimu isn't in the works at this time. Every time we see people who work with/own a character comment on Smash, we end up not seeing that character.

The common counter argument to this is Grant Kirkhope, but he hasn't actually worked for Rare in years, and has a very long and active history of talking about his desire for the bear and bird to make it into Smash. If he had suddenly gone completely silent, it would have sent up massive red flags to all of his followers. (You can take my word on it, I was one of them)

But, on the other hand, ZUN's statement 100% dispels the notion that he is against Touhou appearing in Smash. Like, it could not be any stronger in that regard.
Now I'm just hoping that the extra DLC characters are still being chosen and that ZUN can get Sakurai's attention.

One more thing: Worrying about a character's haters is very silly. There isn't a sliver of a chance that Sakurai decides against a character because of the mouth-breathing mobs on Twitter.
 
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After mulling it over for the past 15ish hours, I'll post my thoughts again.

Long term, it's nothing but good news. It means she's not out of the running. Short term, however, Is where things get messy. I think there's a 90/95% chance that she's not FP5 or planned for the next year. The only reason I'm not going full 100% is because the SNK interview and Grant's tweet exist, both of them I have used as evidence that content from them is not coming and I was wrong both times. However, unlike both, Smash was brought up unprompted by ZUN. The only other similar event that comes to mind is Bethesda when they Brought up Doom in Smash unprompted with a question about Mortal Kombat. The only reason I can think that this doesn't matter is if that was a legit slip of the tongue and he tried to rebound it. Without video of the interview, that would be impossible to actually determine (Could even be impossible to determine with a video as well). The answer really can point both ways depending on your interpretation of his statement.

Overall, This just gives more reason to drum up the support. I said it earlier, I still think she's the most likely indie regardless of the news. Technically speaking, this is just the perfect rally cry to campaign for Reimu in smash. If I can't have Ashley, Reimu is the next best thing even if she doesn't quite fit the same exact mold as I imagine Ashley would fill.
 
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I don't think some people realize just how huge it is for ZUN to acknowledge Smash like that.

That in itself doesn't change how her chances were from the start, but it's a big statement when it comes to misconceptions.

Either way, just like how I've been saying it from the beginning, it's ****ing happening. Also, worrying about fanbases and public perceptions is a waste of time. There's already a lot of secondaries who don't even play the games and I truly don't give a **** about what some twitter kid who posts ****ty text-based memes on a daily basis has to say about my character pick. People only care about getting their character in and so should you, though don't waste your time arguing about it once the character is confirmed in like the rest.
 

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Just posting this here, it seems to be a summary of the rest of the interview. I feel it should be digested so that more than the Smash news gets some spotlight: https://twitter.com/hedgehog_online/status/1183366770691735558

I don't think some people realize just how huge it is for ZUN to acknowledge Smash like that.
Oh absolutely. I'm surprised he name dropped Smash at all, even if he did publicly say that he'd love to work with Nintendo more after the Band Brothers contest.

That in itself doesn't change how her chances were from the start, but it's a big statement when it comes to misconceptions.
Yeah, I don't think the statement changes much, at least for the long term. Only thing it changed for me is her chances in the short term, but without leaks, it's just a waiting game. One I'm hoping pays off.
 
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Just posting this here, it seems to be a summary of the rest of the interview. I feel it should be digested so that more than the smash Smash news gets some spotlight: https://twitter.com/hedgehog_online/status/1183366770691735558



Oh absolutely. I'm surprised he name dropped Smash at all, even if he did publicly say that he'd love to work with Nintendo more after the Band Brothers contest.



Yeah, I don't think the statement changes much, at least for the long term. Only thing it changed for me is her chances in the short term, but without leaks, it's just a waiting game. One I'm hoping pays off.
So ZUN wants to expand the brand of Touhou further, but doesn't want it to get corrupted with corporated stuff (which it pretty much into the Touhou spirit to allow other doujin groups to work with the brand).

I guess it makes sense because after all ZUN it's completely married to Touhou now xD.
 
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Okay, I just woke up to hear this news, and honestly this is one of the biggest win for Reimu's chances imo.

Like I said earlier, the one thing many people were most concerned about was the "doujin spirits" thing. But if Zun himself approves it, I think this just means we got rid of that giant obstacle. I mean, he didn't just say he'd lend his ip to other games, he outright name-dropped Smash! If that doesn't mean anything, I don't know what does.

And yeah, I get that it also means nothing has been negotiated yet, and it's obvious she's not the 5th DLC fighter, but we have more coming, remember? And we're yet to hear that Nintendo has finished lining up their post-fighters-pass DLC, so I'm extremely optimistic. This is a huge victory for Reimu imo.

p.s. SNK name-dropped Smash even though they had Terry already decided, so her being already negotiated isn't an out-of-realm possibility either.
 
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For all of you folks worrying over the fact that Reimu currently isn't being considered:
-Sakurai seemingly wants to ride the full wave with adding DLC characters (and don't forget that Sakurai always treats every Smash project as if it were his last)
  • We're currently at 2 years into the Switch's life cycle
  • The Wii's life cycle was 6 years
  • This first Fighter's Pass is taking 2 and a half years to complete
  • Nintendo stated that they want to prolong the Switch's life cycle
  • Dataminers found 16 dummy character slots for DLC (5 characters * 3 waves + 1 bonus fighter aka Plant)
Nintendo would want to support Ultimate throughout the Switch's entire life cycle. It's called Ultimate for a reason, right? All things considered, I'd say the probability of a 3rd wave of DLC passes is highly likely. If this were the case, Reimu is an extremely strong contender.

Even if she were to miss Ultimate, I would go as far to say that she's a lock for Smash 6. If we were to take ZUN's statements at face value, it seems like he will continue to support Touhou Switch releases in the future, meaning more franchise exposure to Nintendo fans. By the time Smash 6 rolls in, Reimu for Smash demand would be at an all time high. And we all know that there is no other character who can represent the history and legacy of indies as well as Reimu. All in all, the future is looking amazing for us and for Touhou in general.
 
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So only just saw this tweet. I mean, it could mean she legitly isn't planned atm, but ZUN would love her in. Or it could be throwing shade or diverstion. I mean grant Kirkhope was saying he would to see banjo in smash after he knew he was in and doing music for it.

Still, I think this is good to see that ZUN is on board with the idea.
 

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For all of you folks worrying over the fact that Reimu currently isn't being considered:
-Sakurai seemingly wants to ride the full wave with adding DLC characters (and don't forget that Sakurai always treats every Smash project as if it were his last)
  • We're currently at 2 years into the Switch's life cycle
  • The Wii's life cycle was 6 years
  • This first Fighter's Pass is taking 2 and a half years to complete
  • Nintendo stated that they want to prolong the Switch's life cycle
  • Dataminers found 16 dummy character slots for DLC (5 characters * 3 waves + 1 bonus fighter aka Plant)
Nintendo would want to support Ultimate throughout the Switch's entire life cycle. It's called Ultimate for a reason, right? All things considered, I'd say the probability of a 3rd wave of DLC passes is highly likely. If this were the case, Reimu is an extremely strong contender.

Even if she were to miss Ultimate, I would go as far to say that she's a lock for Smash 6. If we were to take ZUN's statements at face value, it seems like he will continue to support Touhou Switch releases in the future, meaning more franchise exposure to Nintendo fans. By the time Smash 6 rolls in, Reimu for Smash demand would be at an all time high. And we all know that there is no other character who can represent the history and legacy of indies as well as Reimu. All in all, the future is looking amazing for us and for Touhou in general.
I think whenever Smash 6 comes around and if Reimu doesn't end up in Ultimate's DLC, she might not be considered until DLC for that game. Obviously, this is thinking WAY too far ahead since we have no idea what a theoretical Smash 6 would be like, but there'd be a lot of competition for who would get into the base game. Not just for third parties, but for first parties as well, since third parties are mostly reserved for DLC. A lot of characters that we might consider deconfirmed for now would potentially be possible for Smash 6, such as an ARMS character, Waluigi, Isaac, another Xenoblade character, Skull Kid, ect.

Again, this is thinking way too far ahead. I just like to think about what may happen in the future. But at the very least, I DO think that Reimu would be possible in a future game if she doesn't make it in now. It just might be a while.
 
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