Shining Force II Mafia || Game Over! Who lived happily ever after?

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

1. ~Bleck Mang~ (J/Gord Hydra) - scum
2. dabuz - null idk right now.
3. July - null
4. Rockin - town
6. Dark Horse - null leaning scum
7. Swiss - town
8. Orboknown - scum
10. felipe_9595 - town
11. Red Ryu - Independent 3rd Party tentacle monster with a snazzy haircut
13. Ryker - town

Vote: Orboknown

Still working on the reread.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Doesn't matter.

If the connections don't fit don't force them like putting a jiggsaw piece where it doesn't belong.

Indy is more viable.

Thing is... as far as I remember... they can and do fit. Just because you whine about not wanting people to think you're scum won't make that so... If you expect people to throw away suspicion of you because you don't think you make sense with scumDietz then you really have a flawed outlook on mafia. If I don't make sense with scumDietz, yet I'm still scummy, are you going to just drop suspicion of me? No... THAT'D BE ********.

SERIOUSLY feels like more of that early "what would a town think" type of play.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

That's quite some interesting stuff you said about me Swiss, considering ryker hasn't posted yet, nor have I mentioned anything about you or ryker.

Now, if you were to try and claim that I am that transparent, then you'd be terribly mistaken.

Nl, you had pulled him into an argument immediately after his first post. Why should he just Vote someone in the middle of it all?

Look how incredibly shoddy this defense of Dietz is. It's apparent that Dark Horse legitimately sees No Lynch as legitimately ARGUING with Dietz rather than that just being NL getting a read... But @Dark Horse what is it that you found to be so inherently important to intervene with NL's questioning of Dietz? Why did you swoop in and stop it?

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Look how incredibly shoddy this defense of Dietz is. It's apparent that Dark Horse legitimately sees No Lynch as legitimately ARGUING with Dietz rather than that just being NL getting a read... But @Dark Horse what is it that you found to be so inherently important to intervene with NL's questioning of Dietz? Why did you swoop in and stop it?

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[~Bleck Mang~]

My head hurts.

On one hand, you play the noob card a ton in this.

But then again, fake claiming neighbor is a really bad idea for scum, and near impossible to pull of.

Eh, I think you should reveal your partner.

Now that's suspicios.

This is also kind of making me think that we should have the partner claim, as who that is could further help with this thing.

Hoping an emotional outburst can save you?

Anyways, I really think Ditz is town. From what I can tell, noobscum tend to hide in the background. Ditz here is doing the opposite: he's doing things that cause town to focus on him. No one made him claim, so it shows that, instead of trying to hide inti te background, he went out in the open. I've found his posts to be genuine, especially when he votes Swiss, for a couple of reasons:
1. Noobscum would be far too paranoid to vote at the point, with no one else voting.

2. He started the Swiss wagon. This put him in a lot more dangerous situation upon a Swiss town flip than if he had joined when there are other votes on.

These are the three posts Dark Horse made in response to Dietz' claim. The first two were relatively shortly after, and weren't really picking at anything wrt Dietz. Then, after the town was split between people who thought Dietz was town and people who thought Dietz was scum, he comfortably alleviates suspicion of em... At a time where it seemed clear that a good amount of town wasn't willing to carry his lynch through... And then he makes his reappearence by talking about, not how the Dietz flip would be beneficial and whatnot... But about how he feels his "play's been declining", ultimately leading up to his hammering of Dietz?

Ditz's play has been declining. There is a sharp polarization between his early posts, which are at least average, and his posts currently, in which he has degraded himself to simply being a clueless nub, pulling noobcard things that he didn't even try and pull earlier. What really bugs me is his posts in which he calls a QT a "quicktopic thingy" (He should know what a quicktopic is. He has at least one.) It honestly makes what he is saying far less genuine, as if he is pretending to play the noob card. In fact, it's almost a dead giveaway. 1356 reeks of AtE; he's almost given up with that. A tracker on him won't solve anything, as he could easily be a goon and just sit around.

I won't be convinced of this just being coincidence.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Yeah reading that I would support DH pressure.

Still going to finish the reread before I get into the nit and griddy.

 

[vanderzant]

With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch!

Voting (5):
Red Ryu (3): Ryker, Swiss, felipe_9595
Dark Horse (1): Bleck Mang,
Orboknown (1): Red Ryu

Not Voting (5):
dabuz
July
Rockin
Dark Horse
Orboknown

 

[Swiss]

But, I want to know why NL town flip means DH scum, I didn't get that vibe off it.

I do not recall saying this.

Explain.

 

[Swiss]

RR, you suggesting we not lynch you based off the fact there are no obvious links pinning you to Dietz as a buddy.

You have provided no evidence to the contrary.

Simply because there is no evidence directly linking the two of you does not mean that you cannot still be scum - and only a fool would think otherwise. I don't see you as an IndieSpect. If there's an Indie it's more than likely Dabuz since NL has died.

Bleck, the basis of your case against Rockin seems to revolve around a highly unlikely scum gambit. Explain to me not why you thought it possible, but probable.

I'll say this again; scumminess will not be forgiven purely because there are no obvious ties between the scumspect and dead scum. This applies to everyone (except, of course, myself and Ryker).

Ryker, will you back a LaL policy to cover RR, Orb, Felipe, Bleck and Dabuz?

Town: Ryker, July, Felipe, Rockin.

Why do I have Felipe as town? Let's assume he is.

I'm in danger of going off on a tangent. Any second he could slip into 3rd person. Into darkness.

His eyes sparkled.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Bleck, the basis of your case against Rockin seems to revolve around a highly unlikely scum gambit. Explain to me not why you thought it possible, but probable.

It's mostly the fact that Dietz didn't flip what he, and Rockin, both claimed to be. That made me think it was highly likely that they gambited a neighbor claim when it happened, and that Dietz went off tangent and claimed Rockin as his partner. But reading over what people have said regarding the speculation, I realized that that's ultimately all that it is: speculation. I thought about it, and I really don't have anything that I have on him that's scummy that doesn't involve the possibility of him and Dietz being scummates .

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

It's mostly the fact that Dietz didn't flip what he, and Rockin, both claimed to be. That made me think it was highly likely that they gambited a neighbor claim when it happened, and that Dietz went off tangent and claimed Rockin as his partner. But reading over what people have said regarding the speculation, I realized that that's ultimately all that it is: speculation. I thought about it, and I really don't have anything that I have on him that's scummy that doesn't involve the possibility of him and Dietz being scummates .

Twice in one day... What the hell...

 

[felipe_9595]

It's mostly the fact that Dietz didn't flip what he, and Rockin, both claimed to be. That made me think it was highly likely that they gambited a neighbor claim when it happened, and that Dietz went off tangent and claimed Rockin as his partner. But reading over what people have said regarding the speculation, I realized that that's ultimately all that it is: speculation. I thought about it, and I really don't have anything that I have on him that's scummy that doesn't involve the possibility of him and Dietz being scummates .

I have the same feelings.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Felipe, just trust me.

Drop it.

Him not flipping neighbor meaning nothing.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

You know this is gonna be a repeat of pulp fiction but **** it, I've been out with people doing stuff and such.

I will confirm this,

I was the one who shot No Lynch

I will not confirm anything else.

~

I know this is Ate but damn, Swiss I really do think you are town after that post and the previous one with your case on Deitz.

But yeah, just trust me. If I was scum with deitz I would be ecstatic, love the dude because he is my bro irl. He came to anime milwaukee and lynched me in death note mafia. He doesn't do smash much over blazblue but he is a true bro to me, if I was scum I would never support him being alive if I thought he was town, never.

Deitz plays with a very troll playstyle, good is kinda subjective but just trust me he doesn't **** around if he is town unless he wants to troll. He didn't troll here.

He is new, but very friendly and playful. He likes to have fun and I greatly respect this. I get mad at mafiia too much and get pissed as all hell as town when I amm considered a lynch pick even when I played bad, like I am here for very vali reasons.

listen, Deitz if he was town would never push me like he did there, I know he wouldn't.

I'm terrible at mafia, I fully admit this.

But damn it, I know Jay. If I was scum with him, he would never push me like he did. He knows we're bros and would push me with AtE like he did or even suggested the lovers claim if he was.

Just trust me, I'm not scuim. I didn't shoot NL because I was it, I shot him because of him being a total moron defending Deitz. He never addressed me directly, he went around me and strawmanned me while doing it. He nevere tried to look at it from my PoV. He just saod derp derp you are scum, common one, I can't actually defend against this. He offered me nothing for his reckless and one sided defense of him.

So yeah there ya go.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

I mean, that can surely take the idea of you being aligned with Dietz out of the picture, sure... But the fact remains that your play was still mad scummy outside of interaction with Dietz. Whether you're connected to em or not... I'm still thinking you're scum unless we somehow pin an indy toDay. I'd be willing to keep you alive, as long as we go for, like, DH, and test whether you're compulsive or not, but that's about all that can seperate you from SK status in my mind personally.

Ruy, one of your very first posts suggested that you'd rather work toward an endgame that had stronger players duking it out and that you'd be willing to off some of the lesser faces and players. If you were town, and truly believed that, than I would have expected you to shoot one of dabuz/orbo/felipe last Night. Instead, you shot NL, who would have very well had high investigation toDay... Why not any of the afromentioned?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm hesitant to due a potential vote blocker, since Swiss is right about the possibility of then targeting NL or Kuz.

Look I hated NL, his defense of Deitz was pure garbage, he was pushing me while completely ignoring anything I said. He was going to be a ML or a hindrance to town from my PoV. I couldn't ignore them, I would have shot Orbo if they weren't so damn adamant of Jay being town.

 

[felipe_9595]

Wat

Any Vig CC?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

No one will, if someone does, I'll full claim.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

I'm hesitant to due a potential vote blocker, since Swiss is right about the possibility of then targeting NL or Kuz.

Look I hated NL, his defense of Deitz was pure garbage, he was pushing me while completely ignoring anything I said. He was going to be a ML or a hindrance to town from my PoV. I couldn't ignore them, I would have shot Orbo if they weren't so damn adamant of Jay being town.

No, you're hesitant because you're SK. Who cares about the vote blocker? All he can do is... block your vote. And that's weak as far as your reason for shooting NL. And besides, at least he would have hashed connections throughout the Day, something that I doubt dabuz/orbo/felipe will do.

You're really making me wanna just wrap the Day up and consider the SK done with.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

He also roleblocks btw.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

And that's weak as far as your reason for shooting NL. And besides, at least he would have hashed connections throughout the Day, something that I doubt dabuz/orbo/felipe will do.

And?

I realized that and frankly didn't care. He was too much of a "?" for me to leave around.

 

[felipe_9595]

I want to lynch RR so baaaadly now.

 

[felipe_9595]

He also roleblocks btw.

Wait. How do you know that.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Pm told me in the same PM I was Roleblocked and Voteblocked,

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I want to lynch RR so baaaadly now.

Tell me in your own words why.

 

[felipe_9595]

Doesn't matter.

If the connections don't fit don't force them like putting a jiggsaw piece where it doesn't belong.

Indy is more viable.

First, what was the intention of that phrase. Really. Are you implying you can be indy???

Both are possible, leaning on vig atm since killing since neither Kuz or NL wasn't really beneficial to scum over keeping them around for a ML or pressure.

Could also be SK looking for a safe kill but with a potential Voteblocker/Roleblocker I find it harder to think a SK is running around, though the VB being one shot is possible since no one has been voteblocked today.

Still lets look at potential picks with you and me.

You think the flip of not neighbor matters?

Second. I dont know how interpret this. I dont know if this a crumb or blatant wifom.

Overall your gameplay have been like that the entire game. I dont know how to interpret you. I cant see a town intent behind your posts. Thats why i am voting you.

Also, why are you defending rocking so hard???

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I didn't want to hint I was a PR.

I'm defending Rockin because Deitz not flipping neighbor is not a scum tell it itself, if you can show his post suggest this go for it but as it stand from what I saw it is not a scum gambit.

I'm not revealing anything else other than I shot NL, don't look into it other than that.

 

[Swiss]

Unvote Vote DH

 

[Swiss]

RR I want a roleclaim from you. Dont care about character.

 

[Swiss]

RR when exactly were you roleblocked, day or night?

 

[Swiss]

It's mostly the fact that Dietz didn't flip what he, and Rockin, both claimed to be. That made me think it was highly likely that they gambited a neighbor claim when it happened, and that Dietz went off tangent and claimed Rockin as his partner. But reading over what people have said regarding the speculation, I realized that that's ultimately all that it is: speculation. I thought about it, and I really don't have anything that I have on him that's scummy that doesn't involve the possibility of him and Dietz being scummates .

So yourself and Felipe agree there is no case nor a legitimate scumtell from Rockin?

 

[Swiss]

I mean, that can surely take the idea of you being aligned with Dietz out of the picture, sure... But the fact remains that your play was still mad scummy outside of interaction with Dietz. Whether you're connected to em or not... I'm still thinking you're scum unless we somehow pin an indy toDay. I'd be willing to keep you alive, as long as we go for, like, DH, and test whether you're compulsive or not, but that's about all that can seperate you from SK status in my mind personally.

Ruy, one of your very first posts suggested that you'd rather work toward an endgame that had stronger players duking it out and that you'd be willing to off some of the lesser faces and players. If you were town, and truly believed that, than I would have expected you to shoot one of dabuz/orbo/felipe last Night. Instead, you shot NL, who would have very well had high investigation toDay... Why not any of the afromentioned?

Wtf. He claimed he shot Ryu, not vig. He could be JAOT amongst other roles. Testing compulsiveness when he hasnt claimed and you didnt even ask him to is wtf. Thats not a logical leap you can make. If he were indie, you could be setting him up for a free win. Also, if he were indie, why claim killing PR mid day 2? This is not conducive to a long life.

Even if he IS SK, predicting docs isnt exactly a challenge.

That whole post is riddled with terrible logic.

 

[Swiss]

Ryker, thoughts?

 

[vanderzant]

Orboknown and Dark Horse get a prod.

 

[felipe_9595]

Good Morning swiss Thought on DH?

 

[felipe_9595]

*Thoughts on Dark Horse ????

Silly mind pressing Post Quick Reply

 

[Swiss]

Wtf. He claimed he shot Ryu, not vig. He could be JAOT amongst other roles. Testing compulsiveness when he hasnt claimed and you didnt even ask him to is wtf. Thats not a logical leap you can make. If he were indie, you could be setting him up for a free win. Also, if he were indie, why claim killing PR mid day 2? This is not conducive to a long life.

Even if he IS SK, predicting docs isnt exactly a challenge.

That whole post is riddled with terrible logic.

* Ryu claimed shot ability - not vig. He could be JOAT amongst other roles.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

There is nothing to suggest I am Deitz' scum mate, even more so after my bath and forth's with him.

Therefore You and Ryker are only pushing me for a claim, that or your both dumb.

God, you remind me of Ditz. Spouting those terrible, terrible posts.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

He comes out of thin air to question NL's intentions wrt his interrogating Dietz. I mean I thought it was obvious that NL was try'na get an early feel for Dietz, being that he's a noob and all... And it's not like NL was bullying or trying to make Dietz out to be scum. The defense of Dietz literally came out of nowhere and it's gross as hell. That, and the fact that DH's play was deplorable, makes me get a pre' good scum feel on em.

Actually yea, Vote: Dark Horse. J I'll move it if we feel it's necessary but him, RR, or July is really what I'm feeling would be best out of toDay.

That's not bad. Not bad at all. I can get behind this wagon.