Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

And yet people treat it like a "Now or Never" situation.
Simply based on "Everyone is here", which people feel won't ever happen again.
So if their characters don't make it in here, it'll be all for nothing, even if there will be more Smash Games.

Not what I feel, but what most Smash Fans seem to be feeling.

The irony is that King Of Fighters fans have been in this exact situation before, and it's mostly fared well for them since then (aside the whole bankruptcy thing).

It's best not to get so hung up in the future and focus on the present of things. It's obvious that they can't cram in every possible newcomer at the same time, this stuff's gradual.

 

[MattX20]

The irony is that King Of Fighters fans have been in this exact situation before, and it's mostly fared well for them since then (aside the whole bankruptcy thing).

It's best not to get so hung up in the future and focus on the present of things. It's obvious that they can't cram in every possible newcomer at the same time, this stuff's gradual.

Yep. Shantae's got a bright future regardless of the outcome

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

The irony is that King Of Fighters fans have been in this exact situation before, and it's mostly fared well for them since then (aside the whole bankruptcy thing).

It's best not to get so hung up in the future and focus on the present of things. It's obvious that they can't cram in every possible newcomer at the same time, this stuff's gradual.

Not familiar with King of Fighters, since I never played these games.
However, I can see your point.

And the more I think about it, the more I think that Ultimate should be the base for all future Smash Games.
That would allow to preserve as many characters as possible.
And the only cuts I can see happening in this case, is third-parties withdrawing their support.

Unless Sakurai really wants the next game to be built from the ground up again...
Then again, Nintendo seems to be always obsessed with perfectionism.
So just re-using an engine might be considered a sign of weakness by Nintendo.
Forcing themselves to create new engines and essentially "Fix what is not broken" when there really is no need to.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Really a sad fate for the grand dad of indie games.

I agree. Quote at least deserves a Spirit if not a Mii costume.

 

[Teeb147]

Cave Story is great, but I feel like it'd nee at least one more game to feel like it has more meaning, I dunno.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Cave Story is great, but I feel like it'd nee at least one more game to feel like it has more meaning, I dunno.

I don't think so. Quote is just as deserving to get in as Shantae and Reimu.

 

[Teeb147]

I don't think so. Quote is just as deserving to get in as Shantae and Reimu.

That's highly debatable lol. There's a bit of legacy, but most people I talk to don't know cave story. More know about shantae now. Touhou is very popular in japan but not very known elsewhere.

 

[MattX20]

Has this been the most active the Shantae thread has been in a while?

 

[RetrogamerMax]

That's highly debatable lol. There's a bit of legacy, but most people I talk to don't know cave story. More know about shantae now. Touhou is very popular in japan but not very known elsewhere.

I mean, Cave Story has that senority along with Shantae and Touhou that other Indies just can't touch.

 

[Teeb147]

I mean, Cave Story has that senority along with Shantae and Touhou that other Indies just can't touch.

That's fine for one thing going for it I definitely think a mii gunner outfit could be nice.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Cave Story is great, but I feel like it'd nee at least one more game to feel like it has more meaning, I dunno.

Well, you know what Sakurai once said: "not just anyone can get in". If any random one-shot third party game could get in regardless whether they might actually flop later (e.g. see Mighty Number Nine), they wouldn't remotely know where to start and it'd be much riskier. At least two games for a character seems to be fine.

That being said, begging Daisuke Amaya for a sequel doesn't seem to be working. We'd sooner see Deltarune finished than Cave Story 2, in the current state of things.

 

[Teeb147]

When I was looking at shantae pics, I saw this smash one which I thought was great looking. hadnt seen it before.

 

[MattX20]

When I was looking at shantae pics, I saw this smash one which I thought was great looking. hadnt seen it before.

That probably would be her tagline

 

[RetrogamerMax]

When I was looking at shantae pics, I saw this smash one which I thought was great looking. hadnt seen it before.

I remember seeing this exact pic during the Ballot days. Along with K. Rool and Banjo & Kazooie, Shantae had the most fanart done for her from during that time from what I can recall. I remember going on Miiverse during the Ballot and seeing nothing but K. Rool, Banjo & Kazooie, and Shantae art in the Smashverse on there.

 

[MattX20]

I remember seeing this exact pic during the Ballot days. Along with K. Rool and Banjo & Kazooie, Shantae had the most fanart done for her from during that time from what I can recall. I remember going on Miiverse during the Ballot and seeing nothing but K. Rool, Banjo & Kazooie, and Shantae art in the Smashverse on there.

Yeah, I remember that too. She had a very vocal support base alongside Shovel Knight

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Yeah, I remember that too. She had a very vocal support base alongside Shovel Knight

I would honestly say Her, K. Rool, Banjo & Kazooie, and Shovel Knight were the most popular on the Internet during that time. It's hard to say where Shantae and Shovel Knight actually ranked in the Smash Ballot though. It shouldn't matter as long as they did great because it was a suggestion box and not a election.

 

[Teeb147]

I would honestly say Her, K. Rool, Banjo & Kazooie, and Shovel Knight were the most popular on the Internet during that time. It's hard to say where Shantae and Shovel Knight actually ranked in the Smash Ballot though. It shouldn't matter as long as they did great because it was a suggestion box and not a election.

It mattered and they did well enough to get spirits and sk got the assist trophy, so we know they're up there. And shantae didn't get deconfirmed, so
A lot of us also wanted Ashley, and Isaac was popular too, and they got deconfirmed. There arent that many runner ups left.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

It mattered and they did well enough to get spirits and sk got the assist trophy, so we know they're up there. And shantae didn't get deconfirmed, so
A lot of us also wanted Ashley, and Isaac was popular too, and they got deconfirmed. There arent that many runner ups left.

Yep. While Geno was popular in Brawl and regained popularity in Ultimate, Smash 4 was when the Geno fanbase was at it's lowest point in popularity I would say. Geno did get a Mii costume, but Geno fans weren't very vocal during Smash 4.

 

[MattX20]

It mattered and they did well enough to get spirits and sk got the assist trophy, so we know they're up there. And shantae didn't get deconfirmed, so
A lot of us also wanted Ashley, and Isaac was popular too, and they got deconfirmed. There arent that many runner ups left.

Yep. While Geno was popular in Brawl and regained popularity in Ultimate, Smash 4 was when the Geno fanbase was at it's lowest point in popularity I would say. Geno did get a Mii costume, but Geno fans weren't very vocal during Smash 4.

Well, at least not on Smashboards. A lot of data gathered made it clear that Geno was voted for quite a bit during the Smash ballot itself

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Well, at least not on Smashboards. A lot of data gathered made it clear that Geno was voted for quite a bit during the Smash ballot itself

Are you talking about Source Gaming's data poll during the Ballot? He ranked in the top 10 in that didn't he?

 

[MattX20]

Are you talking about Source Gaming's data poll during the Ballot? He ranked in the top 10 in that didn't he?

There were others, but yes, Geno usually ranked fairly high

 

[Teeb147]

Yep. While Geno was popular in Brawl and regained popularity in Ultimate, Smash 4 was when the Geno fanbase was at it's lowest point in popularity I would say. Geno did get a Mii costume, but Geno fans weren't very vocal during Smash 4.

Well, at least not on Smashboards. A lot of data gathered made it clear that Geno was voted for quite a bit during the Smash ballot itself

Geno was still quite a bit popular, but yeah there maybe was less hope at that time. Geno definitely did high on the poll, and the mii costume definitely says something. I don't know how much chance he has, but he's definitely a runner up.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

And speaking of these polls, why the hell is Bandana Dee not in yet? Dee is always in the top 5 or 10. He was even in the top 5 back then. It doesn't make any sense why Dee isn't in yet.

 

[MattX20]

And speaking of these polls, why the hell is Bandana Dee not in yet? Dee is always in the top 5 or 10. He was even in the top 5 back then. It doesn't make any sense why Dee isn't in yet.

Some would argue Sakurai's bias for Kirby games he was involved in, but Bandana Dee was a character he created so I have no idea

 

[Teeb147]

And speaking of these polls, why the hell is Bandana Dee not in yet? Dee is always in the top 5 or 10. He was even in the top 5 back then. It doesn't make any sense why Dee isn't in yet.

Something I've wondered about to. I wanted more kirby characters. Who knows, could be a dlc But yeah sakurai is weird sometimes
Hopefully that weirdness makes him pick shantae ;p

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Some would argue Sakurai's bias for Kirby games he was involved in, but Bandana Dee was a character he created so I have no idea

I mean he is a first party character who is always ranking in the top 5 or sometimes even top 3. Nintendo and Sakurai are blind to ignore this specifically Nintendo. DeeLC would make Nintendo a lot of money.

 

[MattX20]

You think the thread will be more active again if it hits 1000 pages or same as normal?

 

[RetrogamerMax]

You think the thread will be more active again if it hits 1000 pages or same as normal?

Probably. We are almost at 1000 so about around 995 this thread should be more active since we are near that milestone.

 

[MattX20]

Probably. We are almost at 1000 so about around 995 this thread should be more active since we are near that milestone.

I recall it took a while for the Isaac thread to be more active again like that too

 

[okamifire]

Why’s it matter how many pages a board has? Talking about the number of posts every 20 posts just pads it unnecessarily >_>.

 

[MattX20]

Why’s it matter how many pages a board has? Talking about the number of posts every 20 posts just pads it unnecessarily >_>.

I think it's mostly just for fun. We're already almost there, so why not go to it?

 

[Teeb147]

Why’s it matter how many pages a board has? Talking about the number of posts every 20 posts just pads it unnecessarily >_>.

It's a neat milestone. Of course, it's just a little thing, but Maybe some of us want to reach 1000

Shantae deserves 1000 pages XD

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Why’s it matter how many pages a board has? Talking about the number of posts every 20 posts just pads it unnecessarily >_>.

Because the level of boredom in this fanbase has reached this point.

I might as well post something useful and thread-related.

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CLOTHE SWAP!#shantae #ShantaeAndTheSevenSirens #shantaefanart #digitalart #artwork #rottytops #riskyboots #ShantaeAndTheSevenSirens #wayforward@WayForward pic.twitter.com/z3k4NmcJjZ

— j0zU (@Chaos204989) July 31, 2020

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[MattX20]

Because the level of boredom in this fanbase has reached this point.

I might as well post something useful and thread-related.

Spoiler

CLOTHE SWAP!#shantae #ShantaeAndTheSevenSirens #shantaefanart #digitalart #artwork #rottytops #riskyboots #ShantaeAndTheSevenSirens #wayforward@WayForward pic.twitter.com/z3k4NmcJjZ

— j0zU (@Chaos204989) July 31, 2020

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The Seven Sirens are pretty well drawn

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

One thing that gets me though is Coral Siren. Barely anything about her relates to her name at all, and she looks normal compared to the rest.

It's almost like each Siren was designed by a different person.

 

[MattX20]

One thing that gets me though is Coral Siren. Barely anything about her relates to her name at all, and she looks normal compared to the rest.

It's almost like each Siren was designed by a different person.

Even some coral integrated into her design would've helped a little

 

[SharkLord]

And speaking of these polls, why the hell is Bandana Dee not in yet? Dee is always in the top 5 or 10. He was even in the top 5 back then. It doesn't make any sense why Dee isn't in yet.

I think it's mostly because of poor timing, in a similar vein for Rex and Spring Man. The base roster was finalized at the end of December 2015. Back then, he had two playable appearances and two fairly prominent NPC roles; For Kirby, that's pretty high, buck in the grand scheme of things it wasn't that much. By the time Ultimate released, his playable appearances had almost doubled; Another role as the food man, a plot-important role in Battle Royale, and a playable appearance in Star Allies (And part of the base game with the main three at that!) Unfortunately, Sakurai doesn't seem have access to the Monado, and so he was stuck as a Spirit. Min Min puts Spirits back on the table, but even then we might not get a Kirby character.
As for the supposed Sakurai bias, I think that's mostly a mix of old Sakurai-era content and a lack of new content. The only new stuff was Masked Dedede as a Final Smash, plus Kawasaki as a way to preserve Kirby's Brawl Final Smash and Marx as a boss, due to his popularity and easy transition to Smash. If we got some more Kirby content, I'm sure we'd have some more modern stuff.

 

[MattX20]

I think it's mostly because of poor timing, in a similar vein for Rex and Spring Man. The base roster was finalized at the end of December 2015. Back then, he had two playable appearances and two fairly prominent NPC roles; For Kirby, that's pretty high, buck in the grand scheme of things it wasn't that much. By the time Ultimate released, his playable appearances had almost doubled; Another role as the food man, a plot-important role in Battle Royale, and a playable appearance in Star Allies (And part of the base game with the main three at that!) Unfortunately, Sakurai doesn't seem have access to the Monado, and so he was stuck as a Spirit. Min Min puts Spirits back on the table, but even then we might not get a Kirby character.
As for the supposed Sakurai bias, I think that's mostly a mix of old Sakurai-era content and a lack of new content. The only new stuff was Masked Dedede as a Final Smash, plus Kawasaki as a way to preserve Kirby's Brawl Final Smash and Marx as a boss, due to his popularity and easy transition to Smash. If we got some more Kirby content, I'm sure we'd have some more modern stuff.

And Kirby is extremely popular in Japan, and knowing that new Kirby games are almost assuredly going to happen in the future, if Nintendo wanted an easy first party choice, they could do a lot worse than Bandana Dee.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I think the main thing is that the big guys need to nudge Sakurai out of his comfort zone, since he generally just uses stuff from Kirby games he had major involvement with. Ever since the executives at HAL did something to the staff during Air Ride's development that's apparently never been elaborated on, he's only doubled down on this. I'm not even sure if he played most Kirby games at all.

The most curious thing about it all is that HAL doesn't seem to be bothered by any of this, as far as Smash content is concerned. They seem satisfied with minor content advertising the current main Kirby project of the time, so we really don't know what they think about any of this.

 

[MattX20]

I think the main thing is that the big guys need to nudge Sakurai out of his comfort zone, since he generally just uses stuff from Kirby games he had major involvement with. Ever since the executives at HAL did something to the staff during Air Ride's development that's apparently never been elaborated on, he's only doubled down on this. I'm not even sure if he played most Kirby games at all.

The most curious thing about it all is that HAL doesn't seem to be bothered by any of this, as far as Smash content is concerned. They seem satisfied with minor content advertising the current main Kirby project of the time, so we really don't know what they think about any of this.

At any rate, both Shantae and Bandana Dee are both spirits in the game currently and could be prime playable upgrade choices if Nintendo and Sakurai wanted to