Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[okamifire]

The ending of Seven Sirens gave hints of potential things in the future

Oh, like the

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scrapbook

? I forgot about that, hah. I'm sure they'll build upon that and Shantae's family going forward.

 

[MattX20]

Conversation's slowing down. Have some Fan-Art.

Spoiler: I really should do this stuff on a Computer

I drew Shanti to commemorate the announcement. I'm happy to be involved in my favorite game.#SevenSirens #Shantae pic.twitter.com/91leTxeEaj

— OYSTER (@OYSTER_tenten) July 28, 2020

#PR
It's been two months since the console/PC launch of Shantae and the #SevenSirens from @WayForward,
and if you haven't already heard, I was the illustrator on the game! It's out now on Switch, PS4, Xbox One, PC, and Apple Arcade!
https://t.co/gg23ISdoYJ pic.twitter.com/qg6MFNXYrE

— 矢部誠（KOU)⭕お仕事再開 (@SESKOU) July 28, 2020

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Nom! Nom! Nom! Who says zombie girls can't have fun summers? Rottytops comes out the winner of the last poll! #Shantae #Rottytops #FANART pic.twitter.com/epiEyQS9Zh

— John Joseco | SDCC #2635 (@JJcareksims) July 30, 2020

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Quality stuff

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I'm kinda bummed out, that we didn't get a real "Green" Half-Genie.
Since that would've opened up a lot more possibilities, on who can be a Half-Genie.
Plus, a genuine green Half-Genie would make for a good Necromancer. :D

I don't know if WF will listen to fans about that. From the sound of things, they pretty much do whatever they feel like on the creative side of Shantae things.

I'm hoping they keep going with the series and have Shantae end up meeting her mother. Half Genie Hero acknowledged that she's still out there in some form or another.

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And unless I missed it, Seven Sirens didn't touch upon it at all.

More half genies would be neat, but I'm going all in on the full genies at some point.

I know darn well that will be part of the series goal. They're in no hurry to get there, but dog gummit if they won't take everyone on a ride until then.

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[WingedSupernova]

Bonus points if we get the thread to 1,000 by August 18th (my birthday).

 

[MattX20]

Bonus points if we get the thread to 1,000 by August 18th (my birthday).

Well, you'd have to have a lot more people posting here every day.

 

[SoupCanMafia]

It's weird, why all this publicity about Seven Sirens two months after its release? I can't complain too much, since more publicity is always welcomed, but it's just weird that of all the months to advertise Shantae again, it had to be during July.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Here's a question, can the Shantae thread reach page 1000 before August concludes?

Maybe. We don't have the momentum that the Geno thread has but we should pass 10 pages before August ends.

 

[Shinuto]

It's weird, why all this publicity about Seven Sirens two months after its release? I can't complain too much, since more publicity is always welcomed, but it's just weird that of all the months to advertise Shantae again, it had to be during July.

2 months is a milestone more than one month

 

[MattX20]

At any rate, page 1000 would be a good milestone to reach.

 

[Teeb147]

At any rate, page 1000 would be a good milestone to reach.

We'll reach it no prob XD.
definitely not at the rate that the geno thread has been going but we'll get there soon enough.

 

[MattX20]

We'll reach it no prob XD.
definitely not at the rate that the geno thread has been going but we'll get there soon enough.

I'd be shocked if the thread wasn't at page 1000 on September 1st

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

2 months is a milestone more than one month

Speaking of which, their more recent countdown update was for HGH.

#WayForward30 Milestone 17: Shantae: Half-Genie Hero was the fourth Shantae game, but it was a game of many firsts: the first HD Shantae, the first series entry launching on multiple platforms simultaneously, and our first time crowdfunding. Thanks to everyone who made it happen! pic.twitter.com/yduqlL9bwD

— WayForward (@WayForward) July 20, 2020

Also, Udon is advertising for Shantae swag. Where's that artbook, guys? Is it still in the cards?

Shantae fans! We've left our @MrBozon #Shantae Icon Tee Pre-Order LIVE for just a little while longer! Pre-orders are closing soon, reserve your favorite Half-Genie Hero tee today! https://t.co/yMm51FSe2l pic.twitter.com/y0nduRTpdb

— UDON Entertainment (@UdonEnt) July 30, 2020

 

[WingedSupernova]

It's weird, why all this publicity about Seven Sirens two months after its release? I can't complain too much, since more publicity is always welcomed, but it's just weird that of all the months to advertise Shantae again, it had to be during July.

I dunno, but I saw a thread on Twitter that was discussing Seven Sirens that had a lot of people saying it was mediocre for some reason lol. I bet 90% of those people haven't played it.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I dunno, but I saw a thread on Twitter that was discussing Seven Sirens that had a lot of people saying it was mediocre for some reason lol. I bet 90% of those people haven't played it.

I bet like 80% of those people were trolls and 10% were just arrogant people that have never played the Shantae games before.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

The more mainstream a series gets, the likelier people will be bitter of it. That tends to happen a lot.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I truly believe if Smash is to ever get a Indie rep it will be Shantae because of her seniority, number of games, her moveset potential, and her popularity. Our girl just has everything going for her to be the Indie rep.

 

[Teeb147]

Just the fact that she got an icon and a spirit is enough to say that they acknowledged her placement in the polls. More and more of her games on newer nintendo consoles, it all puts her in a good place for it. And with Shovel Knight out of the running, I don't think there's any indie character that would be ahead. (I think )

 

[MattX20]

Just the fact that she got an icon and a spirit is enough to say that they acknowledged her placement in the polls. More and more of her games on newer nintendo consoles, it all puts her in a good place for it. And with Shovel Knight out of the running, I don't think there's any indie character that would be ahead. (I think )

Yep. She's come a long way

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Yep. She's come a long way

Especially since the GBC days.

 

[MattX20]

Especially since the GBC days.

And said GBC days will finally be available for a much wider audience, Japan included this time since it's a worldwide release

 

[Inoj]

I truly believe if Smash is to ever get a Indie rep it will be Shantae because of her seniority, number of games, her moveset potential, and her popularity. Our girl just has everything going for her to be the Indie rep.

I'd say that If Smash Bros. gets an Indie rep the choice will be between Shantae and Hakurei Reimu.

Touhou is an older series with more games, has the home-field advantage, and the fanbase is XBOX HUEG and dedicated.

Still, I'm rooting for our Half Genie.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

And said GBC days will finally be available for a much wider audience, Japan included this time since it's a worldwide release

True, but her series as come a long way since then. It would be imaginable to think it would get this big back then.

 

[SharkLord]

I keep getting notifications for this thread, I keep coming here, I'd be pretty happy with Shantae in Smash... Y'know what? Just add me to the supporter list, please.

 

[MattX20]

I keep getting notifications for this thread, I keep coming here, I'd be pretty happy with Shantae in Smash... Y'know what? Just add me to the supporter list, please.

Always happy to see additional support

 

[RetrogamerMax]

So do you guys still think Shantae has a chance to be a newcomer in Ultimate?

 

[MattX20]

So do you guys still think Shantae has a chance to be a newcomer in Ultimate?

All of the characters like Geno, Shantae, Rayman, Elma, and Bandana Waddle Dee all have a legitimate second chance since MinMin broke the spirits deconfirm rule

 

[RetrogamerMax]

All of the characters like Geno, Shantae, Rayman, Elma, and Bandana Waddle Dee all have a legitimate second chance since MinMin broke the spirits deconfirm rule

I know, I'm just worried about Nintendo choosing the DLC characters.

 

[SharkLord]

So do you guys still think Shantae has a chance to be a newcomer in Ultimate?

Yes, but not without competition (Though nothing says we'll only get one indie...). Shantae has popularity, seniority, and is fairly well-known on both sides of the Pacific, but I'd argue her seniority becomes a bit less impressive when you realize she only came to prominence in the second half of her lifespan. The first half had her first game flop, and she was put on the backburner for a while, living as a cult classic for eight years until the release of Risky's Revenge... Which was then criticized for being too short, and was mostly under the radar. She then had to wait another four years until Pirate's Curse and Half-Genie Hero's Kickstarter finally elevated her into the mainstream (Well, mainstream for indies). Still, I'd put her as the third most prominent indie candidate.

As for her competition? First off, Shovel Knight... Maybe. Shovel Knight shot up pretty quickly, and while he wasn't single-handedly responsible for the recent indie boom, he's become an icon of it in his own right. The guy's the cameo king of indie for a reason, y'know. There's also the fact that the following three campaigns are about as long as the base game, and one could make a case for them being counted as their own separate titles. Even if you don't, there's still the upcoming Shovel Knight Dig and Pocket Dungeon, so he's definitely become a franchise now. The main reason for doubting him is the Assist Trophy issue, which is up to interpretation. Sure, we got Min Min over Spring Man or Ribbon Girl, but Assists weren't the reason for that; Yabuki said everyone was the protagonist, and then singled out Min Min as the one he wanted. Assists weren't mentioned regarding that, but I think Assists are implicitly back on the table. Still, we can't say for sure just yet.

My number one indie pick would be Reimu Hakurei. Touhou's been around since the 90's, has 30 games to its name and counting, and is HUGE in Japan-As in, big enough to get a crossover with Hello Kitty, the second most profitable franchise in the world. Plus, the owner, ZUN, is really easy to get a hold of; Aside from being in Japan, he's so lax with his IP that he'll come down and compose songs for the fangames. If that's not lax, I don't know what is. The main problem for Reimu is lack of Western popularity, but I see her situation as closer to Terry or Hero than Takamaru. She's huge in Japan, as mentioned above, and she's not Japan-exclusive; There's 12 Touhou games on Steam you can buy. Sure, only one is translated, but that's only because the fans will just make their own translation a couple days after release, defeating the need to make an official one in the first place. I think Reimu's the most likely indie rep, but I'm not ready to place my bets just yet; Smash is too unpredictable for that.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Yes, but not without competition (Though nothing says we'll only get one indie...). Shantae has popularity, seniority, and is fairly well-known on both sides of the Pacific, but I'd argue her seniority becomes a bit less impressive when you realize she only came to prominence in the second half of her lifespan. The first half had her first game flop, and she was put on the backburner for a while, living as a cult classic for eight years until the release of Risky's Revenge... Which was then criticized for being too short, and was mostly under the radar. She then had to wait another four years until Pirate's Curse and Half-Genie Hero's Kickstarter finally elevated her into the mainstream (Well, mainstream for indies). Still, I'd put her as the third most prominent indie candidate.

As for her competition? First off, Shovel Knight... Maybe. Shovel Knight shot up pretty quickly, and while he wasn't single-handedly responsible for the recent indie boom, he's become an icon of it in his own right. The guy's the cameo king of indie for a reason, y'know. There's also the fact that the following three campaigns are about as long as the base game, and one could make a case for them being counted as their own separate titles. Even if you don't, there's still the upcoming Shovel Knight Dig and Pocket Dungeon, so he's definitely become a franchise now. The main reason for doubting him is the Assist Trophy issue, which is up to interpretation. Sure, we got Min Min over Spring Man or Ribbon Girl, but Assists weren't the reason for that; Yabuki said everyone was the protagonist, and then singled out Min Min as the one he wanted. Assists weren't mentioned regarding that, but I think Assists are implicitly back on the table. Still, we can't say for sure just yet.

My number one indie pick would be Reimu Hakurei. Touhou's been around since the 90's, has 30 games to its name and counting, and is HUGE in Japan-As in, big enough to get a crossover with Hello Kitty, the second most profitable franchise in the world. Plus, the owner, ZUN, is really easy to get a hold of; Aside from being in Japan, he's so lax with his IP that he'll come down and compose songs for the fangames. If that's not lax, I don't know what is. The main problem for Reimu is lack of Western popularity, but I see her situation as closer to Terry or Hero than Takamaru. She's huge in Japan, as mentioned above, and she's not Japan-exclusive; There's 12 Touhou games on Steam you can buy. Sure, only one is translated, but that's only because the fans will just make their own translation a couple days after release, defeating the need to make an official one in the first place. I think Reimu's the most likely indie rep, but I'm not ready to place my bets just yet; Smash is too unpredictable for that.

Her Indie competition isn't want I am worried about, it's other big 3rd party picks Nintendo would be looking towards over her is what makes me concerned about her chances for this game.

 

[SharkLord]

Her Indie competition isn't want I am worried about, it's other big 3rd party picks Nintendo would be looking towards over her is what makes me concerned about her chances for this game.

Personally, I'm expecting an indie rep because SSBU's had a small but steady supply of indie representation. First, we had Shovel Knight as an Assist Trophy, then Shantae as a Spirit, followed by Sans and Cuphead getting Mii Costumes that are so detailed they might as well be the characters themselves, and with their own songs to boot. Plus, Cuphead got a Spirit Event as well. At the very least, Nintendo isn't above representing indies in some way.

 

[Teeb147]

I'd say that If Smash Bros. gets an Indie rep the choice will be between Shantae and Hakurei Reimu.

Touhou is an older series with more games, has the home-field advantage, and the fanbase is XBOX HUEG and dedicated.

Still, I'm rooting for our Half Genie.

I'd love touhou in smash, but I still think it's a weird situation given that the rights are so open. I mentioned that in the newcomer discussion once but I don't think people understand that certain things can be liabilities to a big company like nintendo. I do hope it doesn't matter though, cuz I do like the characters from it XD

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Personally, I'm expecting an indie rep because SSBU's had a small but steady supply of indie representation. First, we had Shovel Knight as an Assist Trophy, then Shantae as a Spirit, followed by Sans and Cuphead getting Mii Costumes that are so detailed they might as well be the characters themselves, and with their own songs to boot. Plus, Cuphead got a Spirit Event as well. At the very least, Nintendo isn't above representing indies in some way.

I think the biggest thing going for her is Cadence of Hyrule. Reason is because Nintendo allowed a Indie developer to make a game with the Zelda IP in it. If they would allow that than I believe they would allow a Indie character to be playable in Smash.

 

[Teeb147]

I think the biggest thing going for her is Cadence of Hyrule. Reason is because Nintendo allowed a Indie developer to make a game with the Zelda IP in it. If they would allow that than I believe they would allow a Indie character to be playable in Smash.

Cadence is definitely something new that opens doors. An indie developper being allowed to work on something Zelda, it's just pretty amazing it could happen. I wonder how much chance Cadence herself has ;p

 

[WingedSupernova]

I'd love touhou in smash, but I still think it's a weird situation given that the rights are so open. I mentioned that in the newcomer discussion once but I don't think people understand that certain things can be liabilities to a big company like nintendo. I do hope it doesn't matter though, cuz I do like the characters from it XD

Touhou does have a ton of popularity and legacy in the Japanese games industry, but when it comes to picking an indie character for your huge crossover fighting game, I'd think most people would want to add a character whose series shows up on their own console. None of Touhou's main shmup games are on anything other than PC. How many games of Shantae's are on the Switch? Oh that's right, ALL OF THEM.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I wonder how much chance Cadence herself has ;p

Not likely. I could see her being a Mii costume though.

 

[Teeb147]

Touhou does have a ton of popularity and legacy in the Japanese games industry, but when it comes to picking an indie character for your huge crossover fighting game, I'd think most people would want to add a character whose series shows up on their own console. None of Touhou's main shmup games are on anything other than PC. How many games of Shantae's are on the Switch? Oh that's right, ALL OF THEM.

None of the main series are on nintendo, that's true, but there are the derivative games, I just dont know how many.
There is a touhou fighting game coming to switch too:

 

[MattX20]

As far as Touhou goes, I became aware of it largely because of the infamous Ronald McDonald video remix of UN OWEN was Her

 

[WingedSupernova]

As far as Touhou goes, I became aware of it largely because of the infamous Ronald McDonald video remix of UN OWEN was Her

Ah yes. I too am a connoisseur of the ran ran ruu.

 

[MattX20]

Ah yes. I too am a connoisseur of the ran ran ruu.

Yeah, that was a weird one. If that music ended up in Smash Ultimate, it would basically their equivalent to Megalovania

 

[SharkLord]

Touhou does have a ton of popularity and legacy in the Japanese games industry, but when it comes to picking an indie character for your huge crossover fighting game, I'd think most people would want to add a character whose series shows up on their own console. None of Touhou's main shmup games are on anything other than PC. How many games of Shantae's are on the Switch? Oh that's right, ALL OF THEM.

I dunno, we have Cloud over Terra or a Black Mage, and Joker over Demi-Fiend, and to this day we still don't have Persona 5 on the Switch, despite the endless requests and Atlus continuing to encourage the fans. I don't think Nintendo compatibility is a major issue.

I'd love touhou in smash, but I still think it's a weird situation given that the rights are so open. I mentioned that in the newcomer discussion once but I don't think people understand that certain things can be liabilities to a big company like nintendo. I do hope it doesn't matter though, cuz I do like the characters from it XD

I don't see how the rights being easy to acquire would be an issue. Yeah, the Touhou IP is really lax, but SNK has crossovers up the wazoo and Sonic is pretty encouraging of fangames as well, even if it's not to the same extent as Touhou; Sonic Mania would be a thing without it.

As far as Touhou goes, I became aware of it largely because of the infamous Ronald McDonald video remix of UN OWEN was Her

As a recent Touhou fan, I can't help but wonder what the fandom was like back then. It sounds interesting, that's for sure.