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Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

Do you think shantae can make it?

  • Yes, as a fighter

  • Yes, as a assist trophy

  • No, not as a assist trophy

  • No, not at all


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loozer2

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I'm also convinced that if she's not in the base roster, she's DLC.

And I still can't get over how WayForward has been acting so out of character recently. Their silence and non-answers doesn't sound like them at all. I'd honesty rather they tell us that she wasn't in than go through this song and dance. This also seems like so much effort to cover up for an assist trophy.
If they have an NDA then regardless of whether she is in as a playable fighter, an AT, or even just a regular trophy they won't be able to confirm that they are in the game until after it is revealed.
 

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Without a doubt, I’m convinced of one of these things:
1. She’s in as a fighter on the base roster (best scenario)
2. Assist Trophy (Why go through all this just for an assist? I don’t believe Yacht Club did the same with Shovel Knight though obviously they were under an NDA.)
3. Nothing Whatsoever (plz no... though DLC is a thing)
Her being playable is obviously my first preference, but I'd rather her not be in the base roster than be an assist trophy. Her being an assist all but assures that she won't be DLC anytime soon.
 

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It's funny - this will be the shortest wait we've had until the release of a Smash game, yet it somehow seems like a bigger wait! Not knowing when the next announcement is and how many characters will be revealed. It's too much!
Yeeah. It feels like this year for games, at least for me, is a big 'ol waiting game. With Ultimate this December, KH3 in January, some other things in November. It feels like this year is being a big 'ol test of my patience!

But I guess part of me does want them to rip the bandaid off, part of me is hoping she's not an AT, my brain is doing weird things and I just wanna play as my girl come December ;~;

I mean I'm happy when some other characters are ATs (Like Alucard, or Rodin. Espeically Rodin, he's the coolest! Also I'd be absolutely thrilled if Wonder Red got in as an AT even if I want him playable.) because they're in there and that's cool, but this is the first time I've been kinda scared of a character becoming an assist trophy. I hope that's not the case. Part of me also has the dumb hope of "Smash Ballot 2" to decide a second wave of DLC, even tho that feels like a kinda silly idea. ANYWAY, I'm gonna keep hoping!
 
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Wow, Nintendo is being rather Direct happy. Like, I thought this game might get something, but not right after the Nindies Direct.
 

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So I had a dream last night that Shantae was revealed as a playable character. It was a bit strange, though... For some reason her trailer took place in Fourside and her transformations were really weird... (Her monkey form was tall and skinny and she had another transformation that turned her into...Ryu...)

Eh, as weird as it was, I'll be keeping it in mind. Last time I had a Smash related dream it was about K. Rool being revealed and, well, look what happened.
 

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This is how bad the gaming industry has become in Japan...mobile gacha waifu games get their own direct presentations...

Traditional console and video game sales outside of Square Enix and MH:W have been pretty abysmal too. Mobile F2P games have taken everything over.
 

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At this point, everything seems open to me, I think Nintendo is going to surprise us with some of their picks, and people will be disappointed in trying to understand based on clues and leaks.
I'm really just going to see what they announce. Not saying I'm not going to speculate, but I feel like it has a little less meaning now for some reason. And I'm going to detach myself a little from smash to stop running my mind over and over on info. I'm going to let time tell, and live my life lol.
 

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This is how bad the gaming industry has become in Japan...mobile gacha waifu games get their own direct presentations...

Traditional console and video game sales outside of Square Enix and MH:W have been pretty abysmal too. Mobile F2P games have taken everything over.
I don't think it's fair to judge the game like that when we have barley seen it. From the look's of it, it seems rather story based, has some quality animations for a mobile game, and the people Nintendo are working with is responsible for one of the most popular mobile RPG's in Japan, so I think this game will be good.
 

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Cygames yeah and the RPG you are referring to is Granblue Fantasy which is the kind of gacha game I'm talking about. Of course I reserve judgement but if Nintendo is hiring them to make a mobile game I can't help but worry. Although I do find it odd that that they would develop a game with Nintendo that directly competes with one of their own games.
 
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Cygames yeah and the RPG you are referring to is Granblue Fantasy which is the kind of gacha game I'm talking about. Of course I reserve judgement but if Nintendo is hiring them to make a mobile game I can't help but worry. Although I do find it odd that that they would develop a game with Nintendo that directly competes with one of their own games.
Well wouldn't that insinuate that it is different in some way so that it does not compete with there already existing game?
 

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L loozer2 I've seen you several times talking about the global smash polls (we're talking about smash 4 dojo consolidation data) and detracting, saying it's coming from places like 4chan, etc, and I've looked and nowhere does it say that. If you're going to say stuff like that, have some info to back it up. Seems to me like you're making **** up.
 
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Well we all have to just wait it out for the next few months to see if Shantae gets in or not. Let's hope she is in the base roster or at least one of the first few DLC characters after release.
 

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There's a bunch of charts you can find on google that were done by many different people by using the same methods as the chart posted here. Official ballot results have never been published to the public. I don't know how that particular chart got its data but during the smash ballot people were creating their own pie charts by manually counting votes and polling data held on different video gaming sites and forums compiling them. I'd also like to note that almost all of them were pretty consistent in rankings. Some of the characters slid up and down a few spots but it's basically the same characters at the top(not counting Japan only data which was also compiled)
 
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There's a bunch of charts you can find on google that were done by many different people by using the same methods as the chart posted here. Official ballot results have never been published to the public. I don't know how that particular chart got its data but during the smash ballot people were creating their own pie charts by manually counting votes and polling data held on different video gaming sites and forums compiling them.
I just looked at the sources for the smash dojo consolidation data and none of them list 4chan. So stop saying **** you don't know.
That said, and even if a lot of the straw polls were meant to be almost like exit polls, there's still some polls taken from smashboards and reddit, so there's bound to be at least a certain amount of bias or bandwagons in some of the data. So it's not like you're completely wrong, but it's a really big size sample and has value, even if we don't know for sure the actual results.

And of course the biggest thing that sticks out for me is that there's probably a lot of younger fans, or those that dont use the internet a lot, who aren't counted in those polls. So we don't know exactly. But Sakurai said he got to know K.Rool was really popular because of the ballot, and no uninformed kid even know who that is, it's safe to say a good amount of the votes from fans like the ones in the big poll samples counted a lot.
 
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Is 4chan's v board somehow less representative than every other gaming community? That particular smash dojo consolidation may not have used 4chan, but many other consolidations did and the results were always pretty much the same across every community for popular characters. The only major differences were when you compared Japanese polling data.
 

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Cygames yeah and the RPG you are referring to is Granblue Fantasy which is the kind of gacha game I'm talking about. Of course I reserve judgement but if Nintendo is hiring them to make a mobile game I can't help but worry. Although I do find it odd that that they would develop a game with Nintendo that directly competes with one of their own games.
I actually quite like Granblue Fantasy (although it is the opposite of newbie-friendly). I appreciate how it can be played on Google Chrome/PC.

Regardless, I don't believe Mobile is going to take over Nintendo (for lack of a better phrase). I think Nintendo just wants to capitalize on a market that is pretty hot in Japan right now. It's plain to see that plenty of people in the world (and in Japan) will still buy traditional consoles and games.

So I had a dream last night that Shantae was revealed as a playable character. It was a bit strange, though... For some reason her trailer took place in Fourside and her transformations were really weird... (Her monkey form was tall and skinny and she had another transformation that turned her into...Ryu...)

Eh, as weird as it was, I'll be keeping it in mind. Last time I had a Smash related dream it was about K. Rool being revealed and, well, look what happened.
I had a dream two nights ago where Magikoopa was revealed as a playable character in Smash and Nitro Rad (YouTuber I follow) was a murderer. It was completely random and unfounded, so I laughed it off when I woke up.
 

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Is 4chan's v board somehow less representative than every other gaming community? That particular smash dojo consolidation may not have used 4chan, but many other consolidations did and the results were always pretty much the same across every community for popular characters. The only major differences were when you compared Japanese polling data.
4chan is notorious for making messes. It's not just Goku and Shrek, there's a lot of ****** votes I saw some places.
And I think it might've been close to the same in some places, because we're dealing with similarly popular characters. But I haven't seen result that match exactly the bigger sample, and the pie chart you were commenting about is the closest one I've seen, and ..
edit: actually I think it's based on it, but the revealed characters were taken out.
 
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Of commonly speculated characters, Bandana Dee didn't get a costume, Shadow didn't get one, Skull Kid's "skin" was just Majora's Mask on the Link costume, and Ashley got one but she's not playable.

It seems more likely to me that not every character who performed well didn't get a Mii costume simply because Sakurai didn't want to make Ultimate's newcomers predictable once the first few started to trickle out. You could just look at the costumes and deduce who might be next. Remember that he has put an emphasis on stamping out leaks and maintaining surprises for this game, so going to such measures wouldn't be beyond him.

Nothing so far seems to truly imply Isaac and Banjo didn't do well. Is it possible the small sample size of voters is misleading and their fanbases stop there? Sure, but K. Rool almost always topped those same polls (and when he didn't, Isaac or Banjo were marginally ahead of him) and he's playable.
I also think Bandana Dee and Skull Kid's chances are overrated, with Skull Kid having the highest chance of any of them. Shadow is probably only getting in as a clone. A shame about Ashley, but not every costume was going to become playable.

I don't have anything against Isaac. I just think his perceived popularity is largely limited to hardcore Smash fandom.
 
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This is how bad the gaming industry has become in Japan...mobile gacha waifu games get their own direct presentations...

Traditional console and video game sales outside of Square Enix and MH:W have been pretty abysmal too. Mobile F2P games have taken everything over.
In general, though, console game sales make far more money than mobile game sales. What that might lead to is a very gradual lessening of the money being spent on gaming as a whole... but we can discuss doomsday scenarios in a different thread. (or a different site for that matter.)
 

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I also think Bandana Dee and Skull Kid's chances are overrated, with Skull Kid having the highest chance of any of them. Shadow is probably only getting in as a clone. A shame about Ashley, but not every costume was going to become playable.

I don't have anything against Isaac. I just think his perceived popularity is largely limited to hardcore Smash fandom.
Skull Kid wasn't even talked about much and voted for during the ballot. Bandana Dee in comparison is really popular in Japan, and pretty popular over here too.
I do think Isaac is an odd one to know about. He's super voted for not just on smashboards, but I don't know how far that extends, tbh.

You know, I don't think we really have good sample sizes for japan, I think we might actually be in the dark about what was most popular there as a larger whole. :/
 

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In general, though, console game sales make far more money than mobile game sales. What that might lead to is a very gradual lessening of the money being spent on gaming as a whole... but we can discuss doomsday scenarios in a different thread. (or a different site for that matter.)
This is false. Mobile games have been dominant by a mile worldwide for years, and Japan where mobile is even larger that ratio is worse. Worldwide mobile sales are more than console and PC gaming combined.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018...ount-for-more-than-half-of-all-game-spending/
 

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At this point, I fail to see what Mobile game sales have to do with Shantae/Smash Brothers. We should probably either get back on topic, or relate the two subjects (at least on this thread specifically).
 
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Anyways, guys, three very random tidbits of things that were discussed like a week earlier, but I still feel like bringing them up anyways.

1. Regarding the ratings for Shantae's games, (namely Pirate's Curse being rated E10 and Half-Genie Hero being rated T) I'm mostly certain HGH got the Teen rating because of the feature to include fan-art in the game. And fan art of Shantae overall tends to get at least mildly lewd.

Circling back also to the concern of her being playable and the ratings, there should realistically be no real concern, especially since arguably the most sexualized aspects of her game (the appearance designs and jiggle physics) were more prominent in Pirate's Curse, which got the E10 rating. She may or may not get a vest, time will tell, but censorship will not hinder or ban her appearance.

2. Regarding whether or not Dance Through The Danger will make it in the game, or get cut because it has lyrics, I just wanna throw out that Jump Up, Super Star has lyrics, and that got incorporated in the game as not just a song, but a special song in the New Donk City stage. (plus there's also WarioWare songs, Pikmin songs, the DK Rap... a lot more now that I think about it.) So DTTD probably has just as high of a chance as it would have otherwise.

3. Regarding her moveset, one specific thing I was hoping they'd do is make Pike Ball her neutral aerial. Three pike balls could orbit around her for a short period of time, and it could operate the same way that Palutena's neutral aerial does, with the cluster hits and such. (Maybe when I have more time I'll speculate a full-on moveset.)

This is false. Mobile games have been dominant by a mile worldwide for years, and Japan where mobile is even larger that ratio is worse. Worldwide mobile sales are more than console and PC gaming combined.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018...ount-for-more-than-half-of-all-game-spending/
Actually, I take back what I said. You're right about mobile sales > other sales. My point was based on something I found a few years ago. XD

Although, I will mention that it wasn't that way 3 years ago. It's only recently become dominant (since 2016 I believe, but could be wrong,) but it'll definitely stay that way for a while. And like Random Cities said, let's end our ultra-mini debate here.
 
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At this point, I fail to see what Mobile game sales have to do with Shantae/Smash Brothers. We should probably either get back on topic, or relate the two subjects (at least on this thread specifically).
Well, this all kinda came about due to the Dragalia Lost Direct that is happening later today It's kinda strange to have Directs two days in a row, so maybe the next normal direct is gonna be affected by this.
 

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1. Regarding the ratings for Shantae's games, (namely Pirate's Curse being rated E10 and Half-Genie Hero being rated T) I'm mostly certain HGH got the Teen rating because of the feature to include fan-art in the game. And fan art of Shantae overall tends to get at least mildly lewd.

Circling back also to the concern of her being playable and the ratings, there should realistically be no real concern, especially since arguably the most sexualized aspects of her game (the appearance designs and jiggle physics) were more prominent in Pirate's Curse, which got the E10 rating. She may or may not get a vest, time will tell, but censorship will not hinder or ban her appearance.

2. Regarding whether or not Dance Through The Danger will make it in the game, or get cut because it has lyrics, I just wanna throw out that Jump Up, Super Star has lyrics, and that got incorporated in the game as not just a song, but a special song in the New Donk City stage. (plus there's also WarioWare songs, Pikmin songs, the DK Rap... a lot more now that I think about it.) So DTTD probably has just as high of a chance as it would have otherwise.

3. Regarding her moveset, one specific thing I was hoping they'd do is make Pike Ball her neutral aerial. Three pike balls could orbit around her for a short period of time, and it could operate the same way that Palutena's neutral aerial does, with the cluster hits and such. (Maybe when I have more time I'll speculate a full-on moveset.)
1. I agree. I don't think her design alone is enough to warrant T-rating. However, considering what they did with Samus and Snake in Ultimate I wouldn't be surprised if they toned down Shantae's design even if they didn't technically need to in order to get an E-10+.

2. I don't see why they would cut the lyrics, although I wouldn't mind seeing a remix/instrumental.

3. I think that'd work. I just hope they could incorporate her transformations into her base kit somehow since it's a big part of her character. I'm still not sure how they would get around the whole having to dance to change forms thing.
 
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People who say that Shantae is too "sexy" for Smash really need to take a look at Bayonetta, who came from a M rated game. These people are also forgetting that in Melee you could see Peach's underwear and you can see Palutena's in Smash 4. Any argument that Shantae would be too "risque" for Smash is silly and doesn't hold up.

Brawl got a T rating and still sold well. There's no reason why Ultimate won't get one as well.
 

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So am I alone wanting Squid Baron in some way.

He's the reason I love Shanate games so much. I played Pirate's Curse for the first time and was really enjoying myself. The Squid was my favorite character. Then I fought the guy and immediately realised that Shantae games were special.
 

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People who say that Shantae is too "sexy" for Smash really need to take a look at Bayonetta, who came from a M rated game. These people are also forgetting that in Melee you could see Peach's underwear and you can see Palutena's in Smash 4. Any argument that Shantae would be too "risque" for Smash is silly and doesn't hold up.

Brawl got a T rating and still sold well. There's no reason why Ultimate won't get one as well.
Not to mention we have Krystal in her Adventures outfit for her assist in this game

1. I agree. I don't think her design alone is enough to warrant T-rating. However, considering what they did with Samus and Snake in Ultimate I wouldn't be surprised if they toned down Shantae's design even if they didn't technically need to in order to get an E-10+.

2. I don't see why they would cut the lyrics, although I wouldn't mind seeing a remix/instrumental.

3. I think that'd work. I just hope they could incorporate her transformations into her base kit somehow since it's a big part of her character. I'm still not sure how they would get around the whole having to dance to change forms thing.
Some might be worried that the lyrics would be cut because they did with Snake Eater, though I don’t think that’ll be a problem considering Shantae’s voice actress is the one singing.

Also, considering HGH’s method of transforming and how similar it is to Shulk’s Monado Arts in this game, I think that’s the best route they should go for her transformations
 

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People who say that Shantae is too "sexy" for Smash really need to take a look at Bayonetta, who came from a M rated game. These people are also forgetting that in Melee you could see Peach's underwear and you can see Palutena's in Smash 4. Any argument that Shantae would be too "risque" for Smash is silly and doesn't hold up.

Brawl got a T rating and still sold well. There's no reason why Ultimate won't get one as well.
There's a difference between sexy and skimpy. And also a difference between that and underwear that you have to pause and angle to see.
That said, Shantae's model will be adjusted, it's no problem, they adjust models all the time. And, it's just a narrow argument people use to find stuff against her.

We know better, so.. s'all good.
 
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Yeah. As I said before on this thread, they probably won't change her design that much. Krystal is in her Adventure outfit, and on the Krystal thread we all agreed she won't be showing up on that outfit. But low and behold as an AT in that outfit.

EDIT: At least most of us did for Krystal.
 
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Yeah. As I said before on this thread, they probably won't change her design that much. Krystal is in her Adventure outfit, and on the Krystal thread we all agreed she won't be showing up on that outfit. But low and behold as an AT in that outfit.

EDIT: At least most of us did for Krystal.
They may pay less attention to the design of an assist trophy that is rarely expected to be seen rather than a playable character on screen at all times, though. They didn't have to change Snake and Samus, either, but they clearly felt a need to tone down their features. There's nothing inherently sexual about Shantae's character, but neither is there for Snake and Samus.
 
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Yeah. As I said before on this thread, they probably won't change her design that much. Krystal is in her Adventure outfit, and on the Krystal thread we all agreed she won't be showing up on that outfit. But low and behold as an AT in that outfit.

EDIT: At least most of us did for Krystal.
Exactly, and her outfit is way skimpier than Shantae's.

Frankly, I don't think there's much of anything holding Shantae back other than Sakurai himself.
 

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You know, we are all discussing how they toned down the Zero Suit Samus design, but Samus became a lot more buff this game, and that's a niche all it's own. The only character who really had a net loss was Snake, and his butt being nerfed is now more a meme than anything else. I am not at all worried about Shantae's design being changed too much.
 

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Well, this all kinda came about due to the Dragalia Lost Direct that is happening later today It's kinda strange to have Directs two days in a row, so maybe the next normal direct is gonna be affected by this.
If anything, we just need to wonder if DL will get any music in the game, that's it. That said, it'd be cool to have the next Smash-related direct sooner than expected. It'd be like Christmas!

Yeah. As I said before on this thread, they probably won't change her design that much. Krystal is in her Adventure outfit, and on the Krystal thread we all agreed she won't be showing up on that outfit. But low and behold as an AT in that outfit.

EDIT: At least most of us did for Krystal.
They may pay less attention to the design of an assist trophy that is rarely expected to be seen rather than a playable character on screen at all times, though. They didn't have to change Snake and Samus, either, but they clearly felt a need to tone down their features. There's nothing inherently sexual about Shantae's character, but neither is there for Snake and Samus.
I'm certain they'd write it off by saying she's only half-human.

Exactly, and her outfit is way skimpier than Shantae's.

Frankly, I don't think there's much of anything holding Shantae back other than Sakurai himself.
Yeah, and Shantae actually wears pants.

Though still, both are much more liable to be shown off in Smash than someone like Solange.
 

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Yeah, and Shantae actually wears pants.
I don't know the name of them, but the sort of pants she is wearing is see through to expose the legs. It's just that effect never appears in game due to the art styles(Pixel and Chibi) they have gone for and even when it does showcase itself in promotional art, it's usually not the most noticeable thing due to, once again, the art style(See the Pirate's Curse art). I didn't even know it was a thing till the Smashified design of her happened. I think that is the major thing we are gonna have to speculate about when it comes to Shantae's design. How much visibility is her pants gonna have? Because Smash really likes to be accurate with it's fabrics and this would be the first time Shantae would be in an HD 3D game.


 

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I don't know the name of them, but the sort of pants she is wearing is see through to expose the legs. It's just that effect never appears in game due to the art styles(Pixel and Chibi) they have gone for and even when it does showcase itself in promotional art, it's usually not the most noticeable thing due to, once again, the art style(See the Pirate's Curse art). I didn't even know it was a thing till the Smashified design of her happened. I think that is the major thing we are gonna have to speculate about when it comes to Shantae's design. How much visibility is her pants gonna have? Because Smash really likes to be accurate with it's fabrics and this would be the first time Shantae would be in an HD 3D game.


they're called bedlah pants
 
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