Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

Do you think shantae can make it?

  • Yes, as a fighter

  • Yes, as a assist trophy

  • No, not as a assist trophy

  • No, not at all


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Kirbeh

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Maybe it's a matter of not wanting another male/female avatar, or people are less interested in Byleth because he/she's silent and thus doesn't have as much of a defined personality for others to get behind, for better or worse. And while I do think the three house leaders are interchangeable in representing Three House's signature unit customization, people are probably more interested in Edelgard because she's a) a girl, and b) because people think axes are cooler, and I can kind of see why. You can do more with them compared to lances and bows; slash, smash, throw and even stab if it's a halberd. Slashing with a lance is limited so you're mostly just stabbing at different elevations (or throw them too, but not in as many directions as an axe can), similar deal with bows who mostly just shoot in different directions or sucker slash with a held arrow. Hawkeye in Marvel and Decidueye in Pokken have martial arts skills and avian features to supplement their archery.
I definitely see Edelgard's appeal in particular (I support her as well), but I do think a lot of people are being kind of dismissive of the other options. As you mentioned, characters like Hawkeye and Decidueye are precisely why I'd also be excited for Claude, and I think you can be just as creative with crafting a moveset with a lance for Dimitri. And all 3 have access to unit customization to further flesh them out.

I can understand why people don't want Byleth either, but I've seen some say that they have nothing to offer which I'd have to disagree with. We don't know what options Byleth will have so dismissing him before the game has even come out seems like a faulty move imo. I mean sure, he's got a sword, but it's a gosh darn whip sword. That has lots of potential right there.
 
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I definitely see Edelgard's appeal in particular (I support her as well), but I do think a lot of people are being kind of dismissive of the other options. As you mentioned, characters like Hawkeye and Decidueye are precisely why I'd also be excited for Claude, and I think you can be just as creative with crafting a moveset with a lance for Dimitri. And all 3 have access to unit customization to further flesh them out.

I can understand why people don't want Byleth either, but I've seen some say that they have nothing to offer which I'd have to disagree with. We don't know what options Byleth will have so dismissing him before the game has even come out seems like a faulty move imo. I mean sure, he's got a sword, but it's a gosh darn whip sword. That has lots of potential right there.
You and I both know very well the things people are capable of saying and doing to discredit characters they see as threats to their own or just plain dislike.
Just the fickle nature of speculation. Nothing you can do but wait to see how things play out.
 

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You and I both know very well the things people are capable of saying and doing to discredit characters they see as threats to their own or just plain dislike.
Just the fickle nature of speculation. Nothing you can do but wait to see how things play out.
True and don't forget a lot of people are focusing on either Steve or Banjo and Kazooie as the current hot topic for a Microsoft Rep.
 
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A video about Sakurai and his status on Smash Ultimate. Also, his insight about DLC.
I watched that. some interesting tidbits. I do wonder if this hurts the chance at a second DLC pass, since sakurai is saying hes not a fan of them and just making a game is better, but we know we aren't gonna get a new game for a long time, and it would make sense to support this game for a while from a business side...

Also, them saying the Ballot was a big influence this time I think still helps shantae, as we have an idea that she was well voted. I assume banjo also had high ranking, who I feel is a shoe in this DLC
 

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I watched that. some interesting tidbits. I do wonder if this hurts the chance at a second DLC pass, since sakurai is saying hes not a fan of them and just making a game is better, but we know we aren't gonna get a new game for a long time, and it would make sense to support this game for a while from a business side...

Also, them saying the Ballot was a big influence this time I think still helps shantae, as we have an idea that she was well voted. I assume banjo also had high ranking, who I feel is a shoe in this DLC
Well, the Bear and the Bird seems to be Inevitable with a lot of people speculating. Also, these so called leaks are somewhat changing things around if believable.

Found this leak image while roaming. Though, always take it with a Grain of Salt since it could end up being fake. (Which usually happens.)
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Well, the Bear and the Bird seems to be Inevitable with a lot of people speculating. Also, these so called leaks are somewhat changing things around if believable.

Found this leak image while roaming. Though, always take it with a Grain of Salt since it could end up being fake. (Which usually happens.)
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yeah they seem very likely, and a character I wouldn't mind at all.

And pretty sure that is fake. its was posted by a guy you makes SMF porn stuff, so they can easily make something like this
 
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I watched that. some interesting tidbits. I do wonder if this hurts the chance at a second DLC pass, since sakurai is saying hes not a fan of them and just making a game is better, but we know we aren't gonna get a new game for a long time, and it would make sense to support this game for a while from a business side...

Also, them saying the Ballot was a big influence this time I think still helps shantae, as we have an idea that she was well voted. I assume banjo also had high ranking, who I feel is a shoe in this DLC
Sakurai said it himself that a game like Ultimate isn't likely to happen again. You would think one would make an effort to ''savor the moment'' so to speak.
 

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Sakurai said it himself that a game like Ultimate isn't likely to happen again. You would think one would make an effort to ''savor the moment'' so to speak.
If he doesn't like a Fighter's pass, that doesn't mean he'd change his mind on it suddenly either. He's pretty consistent about a mindset he doesn't change till the next game cycle.

Of course, not liking a Fighter's pass is irrelevant in itself. He probably is unlikely to still do one, as he'd prefer to slow down the workload and move onto other products. We don't know what's being paid to do. He might've been paid for two Fighter's passes. Nintendo is the one hiring him. He might've been convinced it's not a problem well before the FP was created. It's possible he agreed to it before the full cycle began, but any thoughts put into it beyond agreement were left for later, after the main game was complete.
 
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Well, the Bear and the Bird seems to be Inevitable with a lot of people speculating. Also, these so called leaks are somewhat changing things around if believable.

Found this leak image while roaming. Though, always take it with a Grain of Salt since it could end up being fake. (Which usually happens.)
I've seen that and am not fully convinced, the pose of the visible character seems unfitting for the situation they are in. Could be real, but I'm not putting much stock in it ither way (tho i would be so down for it being real)

That said, some people here are very much into reveals and anticipating them, so on the off chance it's legit it might be best to edit that into a spoiler tag.
 
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Regarding Giygas, I have two questions:
1. How would he even work as a playable character?
2. Wouldn't his inclusion contradict what Reggie was saying before?
 

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Regarding Giygas, I have two questions:
1. How would he even work as a playable character?
2. Wouldn't his inclusion contradict what Reggie was saying before?
I believe the implication is that this supposed trailer is for Porky. If I'm seeing that right, the shadow of his spider mech is visible with Giygas as a backdrop likely meant to reference the final area/final boss.

iirc Reggie said "characters new to Smash" which is vague enough to where you could interpret it to imply "new fighters" which means anyone who hasn't been playable is fair game. I'm probably remembering that wrong tho.

I'm going to guess that the leak is fake tho, Ness just casually using his Brawl pose while faced with the threat of Porky and Giygas seems weird. It's more than likely someone took the Brawl trophy or character models, a picture of Giygas, and added a filter.
 
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I believe the implication is that this supposed trailer is for Porky. If I'm seeing that right, the shadow of his spider mech is visible with Giygas as a backdrop likely meant to reference the final area/final boss.

iirc Reggie said "characters new to Smash" which is vague enough to where you could interpret it to imply "new fighters" which means anyone who hasn't been playable is fair game. I'm probably remembering that wrong tho.
Problem is, Porky is way more famous for his Mother 3 appearance, and it's hard not to draw more inspiration from that.
 

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Problem is, Porky is way more famous for his Mother 3 appearance, and it's hard not to draw more inspiration from that.
True, but it's hard to tell from the silhouette which version they're using. Entertaining the idea that we are getting Porky; they could easily include the Mother 3 version while also referencing Earthbound in the trailer. Perhaps starting with EB, showing gameplay against Ness on Onett and Foruside, and then transitioning to gameplay against Lucas on NPC. Another possibility is taking some creative liberty with the size and shape of the spider mechs so that they're a little closer in general design while still being distinct. Then they can do half of the costumes for EB Porky and the other half as M3 Porky. There's a lot that could be done to make it work in the case that it's real.
 
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I believe the implication is that this supposed trailer is for Porky. If I'm seeing that right, the shadow of his spider mech is visible with Giygas as a backdrop likely meant to reference the final area/final boss.

iirc Reggie said "characters new to Smash" which is vague enough to where you could interpret it to imply "new fighters" which means anyone who hasn't been playable is fair game. I'm probably remembering that wrong tho.

I'm going to guess that the leak is fake tho, Ness just casually using his Brawl pose while faced with the threat of Porky and Giygas seems weird. It's more than likely someone took the Brawl trophy or character models, a picture of Giygas, and added a filter.
He did say that. Yes.
Hold on.
I thought Reggie said, the DLC-Fighters will be from game series, that had no fighters yet. o_O
 

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Hold on.
I thought Reggie said, the DLC-Fighters will be from game series, that had no fighters yet. o_O
It was either "characters new to Smash" or "series new to Smash", guess it's time to go look it up.

EDIT: Yep, " characters that are new to the series "

He does not say "new series" in specific. Just "new characters" who are "unexpected", nothing concrete on first vs third party, new or veteran series, etc.

EDIT2: :ultgreninja:'d by fellow KirbyWorshipper
 
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I'd still say characters from series without fighters is a safer bet.
Would feel like a waste otherwise.

Also, there is the "Price Theory".
Apparently, the price for each individual DLC-Character for Ultimate, is just as high as the 3rd Party DLC-Characters from Smash 4.
While First-Party Characters were a little cheaper in Smash 4.

Of course, just a theory.
So take it with a grain of salt.
 
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So you're saying, that series that already have fighter-representation can get more still?
Yes, that statement was so overblown. all he said was "Fighters new to the series" and since that was after we knew "Everybody is here" it really told us nothing we didn;t already know.

Since everyone who had been in the series was back, of course any DLC fighters would be New because there was no other option.
 
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Yes, that statement was so overblown. all he said was "Fighters new to the series" and since that was after we knew "Everybody is here" it really told us nothing we didn;t already know.

Since everyone who had been in the series was back, of course any DLC fighters would be New because there was no other option.
Talk about a redundant statement, then.

But yeah, that should weaken the "Spirits = Deconfirm" argument even further.
Though that also means that Shantae has more competition to deal with.

Unless, by some fluke, the "Price Theory" turns out to be true.
 
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Talk about a redundant statement, then.

But yeah, that should weaken the "Spirits = Deconfirm" argument even further.
Though that also means that Shantae has more competition to deal with.

Unless, by some fluke, the "Price Theory" turns out to be true.
Unfortunately people use that statement to deconfirm spirits since they are "in the game" so they can't be new
 
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Unfortunately people use that statement to deconfirm spirits since they are "in the game" so they can't be new
Yes, I know it's stupid.

Spirits aren't fighters. So how would that deconfirm anything?
Also, Spirits = Trophy Replacement.
And Trophies didn't stop characters from becoming playable in Smash 4 as DLC.

Seriously, literally anything can happen at this point.

All these pointless debates about who is surely in and who is deconfirmed and people constantly pulling things out of their ***...
It's starting to really annoy me. -_-
 
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