Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[Shinuto]

Shantae gets into Smash, then dances on the bodies of all her haters.

 

[meleebrawler]

Ok, so what has happened here? Also here is another Shantae Art

Made by VickyJ

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Shantae is slowly but surely becoming the new Ridley of Smash speculation.

 

[Captain Hazama]

Shantae is slowly but surely becoming the new Ridley of Smash speculation.

Oh god... I hope not. I was a Ridley supporter. That was hell.

 

[meleebrawler]

Oh god... I hope not. I was a Ridley supporter. That was hell.

Well, the circustances are different with fewer in the way of concrete obstacles to her being playable. But the parallels are there nonetheless with a character that incites unusually strong reactions whenever they're brought up and whose detractors mainly rely on one common argument without the whole story (too big vs. spirits deconfirm).

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Oh god... I hope not. I was a Ridley supporter. That was hell.

Well, the circustances are different with fewer in the way of concrete obstacles to her being playable. But the parallels are there nonetheless with a character that incites unusually strong reactions whenever they're brought up and whose detractors mainly rely on one common argument without the whole story (too big vs. spirits deconfirm).

Bad publicity helps as much as the good one, trust me. It's not like her name isn't getting dragged into the mud no matter what happens. *points to Gamefaqs*

Anything that gets people to pay more attention to a character is good, as long as it doesn't involve harassing the Smash staff itself.

 

[Deleted member]

Shantae is slowly but surely becoming the new Ridley of Smash speculation.

As a Geno supporter, I heavily relate to you guys.

These two characters and their supporters get a lot of **** from detractors on sites like GameFaqs

 

[RetrogamerMax]

So if Shantae is the new Ridley than who would you guys consider to be the new K. Rool? I think the new K. Rool is Geno.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

So if Shantae is the new Ridley than who would you guys consider to be the new K. Rool? I think the new K. Rool is Geno.

Nah, not Western enough.

Then again, Banjo-Kazooie does fit the "too old and worthless to get in you guys lel XDDDD" criteria.

 

[meleebrawler]

It's almost as if fate is conspiring to raise Shantae's support since Smash 4. Not having anything in that game lead to good support in the ballot, albeit neck & neck with Shovel Knight. Then his hype slowly died down until his assist status was revealed, leaving Shantae alone as the top indie pick. Then Shantae was revealed nonchalantly as spirit similar to how Rayman was in Smash 4, as part of highlighting a big new mode. Discussion goes wild, then Matt drops a conveniently placed tweet rallying support once more. However, the talk fell into a lull until, it seems, Joker's reveal, which seems to have caused a spark in how no one can truly predict how this DLC will go. Everything is an enigma, and Shantae has been placed at the center of it all.

Nah, not Western enough.

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Nah, Rayman's still kicking. K. Rool's future was uncertain due to not making any appearances in a long time, which is a more important comparison to Geno in my mind.

 

[Deleted member]

Nah, not Western enough.

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Then again, Banjo-Kazooie does fit the "too old and worthless to get in you guys lel XDDDD" criteria.

Geno fits that criteria too

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Nah, not Western enough.

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While K. Rool is British in origin, he is now a Japanese character. But I wasn't referring about a western character, but somebody that's in quite a similar situation that K. Rool was in before and Geno fits that bill to a T.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Nah, Rayman's still kicking. K. Rool's future was uncertain due to not making any appearances in a long time, which is a more important comparison to Geno in my mind.

Geno fits that criteria too

While K. Rool is British in origin, he is now a Japanese character. But I wasn't referring about a western character, but somebody that's in quite a similar situation that K. Rool was in before.

That's a fair point, although Geno has far less appearances than the Rool.

And in terms of being at rock-bottom despite having been major once, B-K fits this handily. Whether they'll get out of that status like Rool did is what remains to be seen.

 

[Deleted member]

That's a fair point, although Geno has far less appearances than the Rool.

And in terms of being at rock-bottom despite having been major once, B-K fits this handily. Whether they'll get out of that status like Rool did is what remains to be seen.

We're not talking about how many games the character has appeared in. We're talking about why a character and his supporters got a lot of hate. In this case, K Rool and his supporters got a lot of hate because he was considered irrelevant by detractors, despite his fans keeping him alive. Same thing is happening with Geno.

And Shantae is getting a lot of hate now, and the "arguments" against her are "sHe WilL nEVeR haPpEn" or "ShE iS a SpiRIt sO sHe iS dEcOnFiRmeD." Both are the same kind of things like Ridley was "tOo biG" and they were considered impossible until Ridley was revealed, and it seems the Shantae detractors are following in the steps of the Ridley detractors. And we know where the Ridley detractors are now. Just a matter of time 'till the same thing happens with Shantae's detractors

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

We're not talking about how many games the character has appeared in. We're talking about why a character and his supporters got a lot of hate. In this case, K Rool and his supporters got a lot of hate because he was considered irrelevant by detractors, despite his fans keeping him alive. Same thing is happening with Geno.

And Shantae is getting a lot of hate now, and the "arguments" against her are "sHe WilL nEVeR haPpEn" or "ShE iS a SpiRIt sO sHe iS dEcOnFiRmeD." Both are the same kind of things like Ridley was "tOo biG" and they were considered impossible until Ridley was revealed, and it seems the Shantae detractors are following in the steps of the Ridley detractors. And we know where the Ridley detractors are now. Just a matter of time 'till the same thing happens with Shantae's detractors

It's technically easier for haters to do that with Geno, seeing as he's only got one major role. So they probably feel "justified" in hating on him, given that.

Also, Shantae even has purple in her character design. The only thing that even gets in Shantae's way is proper moveset incorporation, and even then that'll be no problem for mashpotato samurai, no matter what anyone thinks.

In the end though, whether or not characters can succeed others in terms of being rejected by detractors for similar reasons doesn't matter, what matters is that support moves on to characters that didn't get as much before the previous ones got a chance. In essence, the king is dead, long live the king!

 

[Shinuto]

Lets hope that when The Pirate's Curse Collector's Edition for the Switch sold out on December 7th, Nintendo noticed given it sold out in like under 3 minutes with 1000+ copies.

 

[RockOfMind]

It's really sad to see in this day and age, that the second you like a character is the second someone hates every fiber of your being. Like I understand if you don't like a character, or maybe you dislike their games and yadda yadda. That's fine. I respect that. But clumping every single person who likes these things into one group is too much. It's also hard to convince someone that doesn't want to listen. They're just not worth the effort.

In the end, the only thing that really feels like it matters are the supporters that keep these dreams alive.

 

[Shinuto]

It's really sad to see in this day and age, that the second you like a character is the second someone hates every fiber of your being. Like I understand if you don't like a character, or maybe you dislike their games and yadda yadda. That's fine. I respect that. But clumping every single person who likes these things into one group is too much. It's also hard to convince someone that doesn't want to listen. They're just not worth the effort.

In the end, the only thing that really feels like it matters are the supporters that keep these dreams alive.

I find it funny.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

It's really sad to see in this day and age, that the second you like a character is the second someone hates every fiber of your being. Like I understand if you don't like a character, or maybe you dislike their games and yadda yadda. That's fine. I respect that. But clumping every single person who likes these things into one group is too much. It's also hard to convince someone that doesn't want to listen. They're just not worth the effort.

In the end, the only thing that really feels like it matters are the supporters that keep these dreams alive.

Some people...they just exist to be contrarian to popular opinion. I've seen this for series that are otherwise universally liked. There always at least gotta be one asshole that hates something for no reason.

 

[RockOfMind]

Some people...they just exist to be contrarian to popular opinion. I've seen this for series that are otherwise universally liked. There always at least gotta be one ******* that hates something for no reason.

Yeah it's weird, I've known people like this. Though I parted ways with them, and for good reason. People do hate things that are popular for seemingly no reason at all, but in a sense I understand it in a way. I've had things that I didn't care for show up a lot in my face, and I guess I started to not like it a lot more or even hate it. But I get over it, usually.

 

[meleebrawler]

That's a fair point, although Geno has far less appearances than the Rool.

And in terms of being at rock-bottom despite having been major once, B-K fits this handily. Whether they'll get out of that status like Rool did is what remains to be seen.

For third parties at least, it feels like there is kind of an implicit requirement that the character/franchise is currently doing or is planned to do something in the near future. It'd be tough for Microsoft/Rare to get away with including Banjo-Kazooie and not expect the fans to start hoping for a new game afterwards.

It's technically easier for haters to do that with Geno, seeing as he's only got one major role. So they probably feel "justified" in hating on him, given that.

Also, Shantae even has purple in her character design. The only thing that even gets in Shantae's way is proper moveset incorporation, and even then that'll be no problem for mashpotato samurai, no matter what anyone thinks.

In the end though, whether or not characters can succeed others in terms of being rejected by detractors for similar reasons doesn't matter, what matters is that support moves on to characters that didn't get as much before the previous ones got a chance. In essence, the king is dead, long live the king!

Now I kind of wish that comic of Ridley consoling Waluigi had him bring up "some purple-haired, pony-tailed dancer spirit" (especially disliking the second aspect of her) as some of the new memes that rose in his absence.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

For third parties at least, it feels like there is kind of an implicit requirement that the character/franchise is currently doing or is planned to do something in the near future. It'd be tough for Microsoft/Rare to get away with including Banjo-Kazooie and not expect the fans to start hoping for a new game afterwards.



Now I kind of wish that comic of Ridley consoling Waluigi had him bring up "some purple-haired, pony-tailed dancer spirit" (especially disliking the second aspect of her) as some of the new memes that rose in his absence.

Hmm, that is a fair point. On the other hand, I guess a deal could be struck with MS so Nintendo can be allowed to include Rare stuff in a prospective N64 Mini, so there is that. Although Smash does help to revive IPs in the first place, so it's a given.

Too bad Wooden Plank Studios didn't think of that, heh.

 

[Deleted member]

It's really sad to see in this day and age, that the second you like a character is the second someone hates every fiber of your being. Like I understand if you don't like a character, or maybe you dislike their games and yadda yadda. That's fine. I respect that. But clumping every single person who likes these things into one group is too much. It's also hard to convince someone that doesn't want to listen. They're just not worth the effort.

In the end, the only thing that really feels like it matters are the supporters that keep these dreams alive.

I have that problem and I’m trying to fix that

 

[takai]

Shantae would have such a fun moveset, the amount of potential she has is crazy. Her ponytail whip, transformations, her plethora of weapons. I'd also like to see Nega Shantae as a skin.

But as the same with Rex, it worries me what Reggie said when it comes to "Unexpected characters". Shantae would be unexpected, but she doesn't have the popularity like Joker. I'll keep the faith of course, I've been cheering for her since day one. At least she made it as a Spirit, which is great for her franchise.

 

[Deleted member]

but she doesn't have the popularity like Joker.

Oh don’t worry she’s getting there

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

If the recent argument on the Geno thread is any indication, Rayman is actually the new Ridley. Oy vey.

I don't really see how he would seem that impossible to balance when they successfully managed to make Sukapon work as an AT. Difficult, yes, but doable.

 

[Deleted member]

If the recent argument on the Geno thread is any indication, Rayman is actually the new Ridley. Oy vey.

I don't really see how he would seem that impossible to balance when they successfully managed to make Sukapon work as an AT. Difficult, yes, but doable.

Eh, not really. Ridley fans got a lot of hate. Are Rayman fans getting that kind of hate?

I think Rayman is doable too

 

[meleebrawler]

Shantae would have such a fun moveset, the amount of potential she has is crazy. Her ponytail whip, transformations, her plethora of weapons. I'd also like to see Nega Shantae as a skin.

But as the same with Rex, it worries me what Reggie said when it comes to "Unexpected characters". Shantae would be unexpected, but she doesn't have the popularity like Joker. I'll keep the faith of course, I've been cheering for her since day one. At least she made it as a Spirit, which is great for her franchise.

Don't forget Risky Boots! Having the main antagonist alongside the protagonist says a lot about how Risky is just as important to the franchise as Shantae is and how the devs felt the need to include her as well, especially considering the subtle emphasis on villains fighting their rivals we've got here.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Eh, not really. Ridley fans got a lot of hate. Are Rayman fans getting that kind of hate?

I think Rayman is doable too

Nah, I mean in the sense of comparing him to Ridley as being THAT difficult to program in the first place. Only reason Rayman wouldn't be in is not for that, but saving him for another time or lack of time for much TP newcomers.

 

[takai]

Don't forget Risky Boots! Having the main antagonist alongside the protagonist says a lot about how Risky is just as important to the franchise as Shantae is and how the devs felt the need to include her as well, especially considering the subtle emphasis on villains fighting their rivals we've got here.

Would Risky play similarly to Rosalina using Tinkerbats as weapons and shields? That would be fun.

 

[Wademan94]

Nah, I mean in the sense of comparing him to Ridley as being THAT difficult to program in the first place. Only reason Rayman wouldn't be in is not for that, but saving him for another time.

I doubt he’d be that hard to program considering we have an assist of this guy:

Would Risky play similarly to Rosalina using Tinkerbats as weapons and shields? That would be fun.

I’d say she’d play similar to her HGH incarnation, playable and boss fight

 

[Deleted member]

Nah, I mean in the sense of comparing him to Ridley as being THAT difficult to program in the first place. Only reason Rayman wouldn't be in is not for that, but saving him for another time or lack of time for much TP newcomers.

Oh, okay.

About Shantae, I want to hear what everyone's favorite Shantae game is. I haven't played a Shantae game, but I think Shantae would be a cool addition to the roster.

So, what is everyone's favorite Shantae game?

 

[Wademan94]

Oh, okay.

About Shantae, I want to hear what everyone's favorite Shantae game is. I haven't played a Shantae game, but I think Shantae would be a cool addition to the roster.

So, what is everyone's favorite Shantae game?

Toss up between Pirate’s Curse and Half-Genie Hero.

 

[meleebrawler]

Would Risky play similarly to Rosalina using Tinkerbats as weapons and shields? That would be fun.

Nah, they'd probably just be relegated to a single special if anything (like how they work when you play as Risky in Half-Genie Hero). She has more than enough tricks and weapons up her nonexistent sleeves to fill a moveset without relying on them.

Toss up between Pirate’s Curse and Half-Genie Hero.

Same here.

Pirate's Curse has the best story and character development by far, and the smoothest gameplay. Half-Genie Hero with it's DLC campaigns is more replayable and varied, though.

 

[Deleted member]

Yoshi!

Zinith

 

[Biometal]

In case anyone here hasn't seen it yet. Also, she got 211 votes in one of her matches with Banana Dean. Where'd that 75ish or so gap come from? She hasn't been getting those many votes since.

 

[RockOfMind]

Oh, okay.

About Shantae, I want to hear what everyone's favorite Shantae game is. I haven't played a Shantae game, but I think Shantae would be a cool addition to the roster.

So, what is everyone's favorite Shantae game?

Yeah, mine is without a doubt Pirate's Curse. I'm a pretty big Super Metroid guy, so it's kinda a no brainer. I liked Half Hero Genie as well, but the DLC got a bit repetitive for me. I feel like I want a more connected world to explore and that's why I don't like how they did the level select. Though I guess Pirate's Curse kinda did a level select with the ship. But they're both great platformers regardless.

 

[Shadowknight1]

Oh, okay.

About Shantae, I want to hear what everyone's favorite Shantae game is. I haven't played a Shantae game, but I think Shantae would be a cool addition to the roster.

So, what is everyone's favorite Shantae game?

I like them all. But if you want a suggestion on where to start...Pirate's Curse drops you into the story with only a brief blurb about a major spoiler from the previous game. Half Genie Hero is very beginner-friendly as far as the story element goes. Risky's Revenge is good, albeit short. The original Shantae...it's a rough one, but it still has a lot going for it.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Oh, okay.

About Shantae, I want to hear what everyone's favorite Shantae game is. I haven't played a Shantae game, but I think Shantae would be a cool addition to the roster.

So, what is everyone's favorite Shantae game?

Pirates curse, I wasn't a big fannof half genie hero's episodic storytelling and I loved how Pirates curse was an overarching storyline that carried over from riskies revenge

 

[LinkaFlame]

Oh, okay.

About Shantae, I want to hear what everyone's favorite Shantae game is. I haven't played a Shantae game, but I think Shantae would be a cool addition to the roster.

So, what is everyone's favorite Shantae game?

All in all, my favorite entry was Shantae GBC. Its impressive visuals and animation for a Game Boy Color game, its great soundtrack, its establishment of the franchise; it’s simply a fantastic game. Although it does have its glaring issues like the screen crunch and vulnerability when dancing I still enjoy it just fine.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

All in all, my favorite entry was Shantae GBC. Its impressive visuals and animation for a Game Boy Color game, its great soundtrack, its establishment of the franchise; it’s simply a fantastic game. Although it does have its glaring issues like the screen crunch and vulnerability when dancing I still enjoy it just fine.

I think the screen crunch was par for the course for that era, seeing as Ghost N Goblins on the GBC had that too.

Oh, okay.

About Shantae, I want to hear what everyone's favorite Shantae game is. I haven't played a Shantae game, but I think Shantae would be a cool addition to the roster.

So, what is everyone's favorite Shantae game?

PC, of course. Not just because of THAT scene, mind you...