Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[Teeb147]

Over a week and a half? That'll be a long wait for a killswitch...



Shame that Ahuron and Orkimides eventually gave up on Card Sagas War and released what was finished of it though.

man that is really cool, I like the small character sprites too. If there was a full game of it, or other ones like it, i'd really be tempted to play it

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Well, here's some Shantae for Smash art for you peeps. It has Rottytops in it too, so that's always a huge plus!

And, GoldLiger , I'm sorry for not having any Rotty gifs. :/
Gonna have to find some new ones...

 

[TJKBird]

It seems like people in this thread are way too fragile and can't handle any forms of discussion that doesn't result in "Shantae is definitely in smash". If you're someone who wants to do nothing but believe that Shantae is in Smash by all means feel free to do so, but don't begrudge those who are taking a more analytical approach to her inclusion. Everyone in here wants to see Shantae in Smash, even those who are skeptical of certain "evidence", were all just trying to rationalize it out and come up with our own conclusions that make us feel comfortable. For some all it takes is their own belief in her inclusion while for others it takes a little more solid evidence.

 

[SoupCanMafia]

I thought so too, but the description said they were working on a fan game. unless it's based on mugen, i dont know.
Anyway, I was wondering about mugen, maybe there's some interesting matches with her online.

...How is it not MUGEN though? XD I can tell by the way Shantae looks! And the general set-up for the UI.

 

[Teeb147]

...How is it not MUGEN though? XD I can tell by the way Shantae looks! And the general set-up for the UI.

dunno maybe they just called it a fangame since mugen is basically an engine, can make fighting games so *shrug*.

I may be tempted to look at fuller fledged projects if there's been some good ones. Some of them feel a bit too chaotic in terms of effects & stuff for me, but the one posted with the small sprites looks really fun.

 

[TOY the Gamer]

Someone sent this to me (and some others) on Twitter.
THIS IS FAN ART, NOT OFFICIAL!

 

[Teeb147]

Someone sent this to me (and some others) on Twitter.
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Now that's what some of were curious to see, that's a good art style for it.
Is there a bigger version, to see as a whole?

 

[Shinuto]

Someone sent this to me (and some others) on Twitter.
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this spooked me for a moment in a good way.

 

[Teeb147]

TJKBird While I dont think it's good to generalize, especially here as this is actualy a really diverse group :O (Quite so, really...and maybe that's part of why there's extreme reactions from some people, like over misinterpretations of what something means to their way), it's true that we can learn to better accept different people's ways of doing things.

What your post made me think about is how there's so many different ways to support something(shantae in this case) too, and it's good if everyone can find their ways, and allow others to have theirs too (without taking them as if it goes against their own).

I kind of like it all, so long as we stay hopeful as well as support the character regardless of what happens

 

[Shadowknight1]

dunno maybe they just called it a fangame since mugen is basically an engine, can make fighting games so *shrug*.

I may be tempted to look at fuller fledged projects if there's been some good ones. Some of them feel a bit too chaotic in terms of effects & stuff for me, but the one posted with the small sprites looks really fun.

Well, if you happen to like Team Four Star and Dragon Ball Z Abridged, someone did a build for MUGEN called Dragon Ball Z Budokai Abridged that's pretty neat.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

What your post made me think about is how there's so many different ways to support something(shantae in this case) too, and it's good if everyone can find their ways, and allow others to have theirs too (without taking them as if it goes against their own).

I'm actually worried for the people who are absolutely sure of her inclusion, it's quite unwise, and it's not at all healthy. If she doesn't make it in, then they're all going to feel cheated, and just downright sad. I just want everyone to be satisfied in the end, no matter the outcome. I want the best for everyone...

Now, these are just some of my thoughts on the matter, please don't take any of this the wrong way.

 

[Teeb147]

I'm actually worried for the people who are absolutely sure of her inclusion, it's quite unwise, and it's not at all healthy. If she doesn't make it in, then they're all going to feel cheated, and just downright sad. I just want everyone to be satisfied in the end, no matter the outcome. I want the best for everyone...

Now, these are just some of my thoughts on the matter, please don't take any of this the wrong way.

I think that's true to a pretty good degree, especially if they believe in the outcome as if it's a sure thing. Because nothing is guaranteed, though that goes both ways. (there's always good possibilities)
Optimism is actually healthy in general, but someone who puts their hopes in something unrealistic may get disappointed (though if they can learn to recover then it's fine.)

The thing is that faith is actually powerful, and some people may be meant to grow on that side of things, which can also help with support and upliftment in general. The problem comes when they try to talk/debate with people trying to be as realistic as possible. There's no way you'll win, so you might as well just say 'I believe she'll be in' and stop there. (and be optimistic in general, which feels good and also often helps others)
-though some people think they're realistic when they're actually pessimistic, which tends towards looking at the worst cases (only one side of the bigger coin)

An optimistic analytical approach can look at the data and see the good connections (hopefully remembering a bigger picture) and still have much better reasoning. Pessimism is good for strength-testing since it looks at the worst cases and little things they think could poke a hole in reasoning. (this can be annoying when still developping things, or invested)


Lots of things can be unhealthy when it's taken too far and unbalanced, and at most they only save themselves from a few things, and pessimism in too big doses comes at the expense of feeling badly about things liked in general. A little is fine in some ways though

But yeah, we can't be sure of anything, and that's ok, and we can always look to good things to come (& just support)

well that's my take anyway

 

[Shadowknight1]

Well, I think there's plenty of things lining up for her to be included in some way.

By the by, I can't find the link, but I did see a text leak that said Shantae was in as a fighter. It also said Elma and KOS-MOS, so....I find it highly suspect. Though I could die a happy man if Shantae and KOS-MOS got in.

 

[Teeb147]

Well, I think there's plenty of things lining up for her to be included in some way.

By the by, I can't find the link, but I did see a text leak that said Shantae was in as a fighter. It also said Elma and KOS-MOS, so....I find it highly suspect. Though I could die a happy man if Shantae and KOS-MOS got in.

Yeah there's definitely a lot of good evidence.


Kos-mos would be lit. Is she popular enough though?

 

[Shadowknight1]

Yeah there's definitely a lot of good evidence.


Kos-mos would be lit. Is she popular enough though?

Not likely. Not anymore. If Xenosaga got a re-release, I'd say she'd have a better chance, but no, I think she doesn't have chance.

 

[Teeb147]

Not likely. Not anymore. If Xenosaga got a re-release, I'd say she'd have a better chance, but no, I think she doesn't have chance.

It makes you wonder why they even bother with those kinds of leaks then.
Unless.. she's actually in XD

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Not likely. Not anymore. If Xenosaga got a re-release, I'd say she'd have a better chance, but no, I think she doesn't have chance.

Heh, don't worry. KOS-MOS is much more likely than some of the characters I'm supporting, such as Ayumi and Reimu. If they got in, I'd be nonplussed.

I could totally see KOS-MOS making it in, to be honest.

 

[Shadowknight1]

Heh, don't worry. KOS-MOS is much more likely than some of the characters I'm supporting, such as Ayumi and Reimu. If they got in, I'd be nonplussed.

I could totally see KOS-MOS making it in, to be honest.

Ayumi?

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Ayumi?

Yeah, that is the most straight forward example of the issue right there! XD
Good job! :D

Nobody has any idea or clue who she is.

 

[Deleted member]

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Just you wait she’s coming I can feel her coming. except she’ll be next to daisy doing this

 

[Shadowknight1]

Yeah, that is the most straight forward example of the issue right there! XD
Good job! :D

Nobody has any idea or clue who she is.

Oh hey, I found that text leak. I do think it's super farfetched though. Lycanroc? KOS-MOS? Ayumi? Viridi as an Echo? I dunno, feels more like a wish list than someone with actual information, not to mention how many characters it mentions.

I'd be super okay with everyone on that list though...

 

[Aurora Jenny]

I think i know the one you're talking about. 20+ characters, which is frankly over the top and insane, My range right now I feel is like 5 minimum to 8-9 Maximum of what we might can expect for base roster.

 

[TJKBird]

I think that's true to a pretty good degree, especially if they believe in the outcome as if it's a sure thing. Because nothing is guaranteed, though that goes both ways. (there's always good possibilities)
Optimism is actually healthy in general, but someone who puts their hopes in something unrealistic may get disappointed (though if they can learn to recover then it's fine.)

The thing is that faith is actually powerful, and some people may be meant to grow on that side of things, which can also help with support and upliftment in general. The problem comes when they try to talk/debate with people trying to be as realistic as possible. There's no way you'll win, so you might as well just say 'I believe she'll be in' and stop there. (and be optimistic in general, which feels good and also often helps others)
-though some people think they're realistic when they're actually pessimistic, which tends towards looking at the worst cases (only one side of the bigger coin)

An optimistic analytical approach can look at the data and see the good connections (hopefully remembering a bigger picture) and still have much better reasoning. Pessimism is good for strength-testing since it looks at the worst cases and little things they think could poke a hole in reasoning. (this can be annoying when still developping things, or invested)


Lots of things can be unhealthy when it's taken too far and unbalanced, and at most they only save themselves from a few things, and pessimism in too big doses comes at the expense of feeling badly about things liked in general. A little is fine in some ways though

But yeah, we can't be sure of anything, and that's ok, and we can always look to good things to come (& just support)

well that's my take anyway

If we're talking abstractly here, blind faith can actually lead to some dangerous roads but I'll spare this thread those discussions. I would also say that an optimistic analytical approach is capable of shooting down theories that don't carry much weight while still believing the few solid theories that exist. In my case I feel pretty confidently about her chances with the whole Indie fighter scenario that's been discussed while a lot of these other pieces of speculation are nothing but flimsy threads in my eyes.

 

[zferolie]

VIridi can't be an echo, wrong body type.

Ayumi is from School detective. you can look her up right on the main page here on the newcomers. She was considered for Melee after all.

So it seems like todays blog is greninja. thats 3 for this week. Also, it sounds like It's getting a new final smash Involving Ash Greninja. thats cool

 

[meleebrawler]

Well, duh, a 3D platformer of course. It'd be so cool, if done right. Seeing Rottytops in 3D would be amazing!

Although, that isn't the most likely genre the franchise would branch out into. I think a Shantae RPG could most definitely work. They could develop the world and characters in so many new ways! Except, I wouldn't want Rottytops to be on my party or anything. I don't want to watch her get hurt.


Adopt me.

I'm reviving this RPG discussion.

Here's what I see the classes/roles for the main cast being: Shantae is the hero (above average in most areas, and her transformations could let her shift roles on the fly), Bolo is the warrior (highest physical damage with good HP, but low speed and magic), Rottytops is the tank (highest hp and defense, including aggro control and regeneration but only average damage output at best) and Sky is the rogue (fastest of the group with high critical rate and can steal items with birds, but frail). Some original characters could fill other roles.

A turn-based RPG would be pretty fun. You start with Shantae then eventually recruit a party made up of the usual crew (and a few secret characters) Maybe defeating the Barons would let you use them as summons. And characters could upgrade when certain items are acquired (animal dances for Shantae, weapon upgrades for Bolo, a bird whistle for Sky, and coffee for Rottytops)

Such things could basically be each character's "gear". For Shantae it'd be various types of shampoo, and Rotty would equip different limbs to bludgeon with.

But yeah, I could definitely see Shantae in an RPG, what style of RPG would suit her series? Maybe something like Mario & Luigi or Paper Mario?

If we're going with recruitable friends, something like Paper Mario is more likely. Both Shantae and her friends would have overworld abilities to traverse obstacles (transformation dances for Shantae, swinging across pegs with Bolo etc.) and combat traits. Though on the topic of Mario & Luigi, a crossover between that and Shantae would be amazing.

Now for a bit of tinfoilery!

The way Shantae speaks to Risky about how her slumber party won't be ultimate without her gives me inclination to believe the latter will be playable. Fight me.

 

[Hollywoodrok12]

Involving CV's role in Icons, do you think that it could detract from Shantae's chances (ignoring the suspicious tweet), because I'm unsure if a VA can be put in a NCC like a character or IP can.

I'm reviving this RPG discussion.

Here's what I see the classes/roles for the main cast being: Shantae is the hero (above average in most areas, and her transformations could let her shift roles on the fly), Bolo is the warrior (highest physical damage with good HP, but low speed and magic), Rottytops is the tank (highest hp and defense, including aggro control and regeneration but only average damage output at best) and Sky is the rogue (fastest of the group with high critical rate and can steal items with birds, but frail). Some original characters could fill other roles.



Such things could basically be each character's "gear". For Shantae it'd be various types of shampoo, and Rotty would equip different limbs to bludgeon with.


If we're going with recruitable friends, something like Paper Mario is more likely. Both Shantae and her friends would have overworld abilities to traverse obstacles (transformation dances for Shantae, swinging across pegs with Bolo etc.) and combat traits. Though on the topic of Mario & Luigi, a crossover between that and Shantae would be amazing.

Now for a bit of tinfoilery!

The way Shantae speaks to Risky about how her slumber party won't be ultimate without her gives me inclination to believe the latter will be playable. Fight me.

OMG yes. We have zero female villains (again, Dark Samus is Genderless and Wendy isn't her own fighter) and she'd be perfect to fit the role. My only problem with her in is that some Shovel Knight fans might get a bit too salty knowing that he got beat out by not only Shantae, but Risky too. (Dang, we really have gotten to the point where we're repeating ourselves)

That's wrong. R.O.B's trophy description refers to him as a male. Plus, Lucario and Mewtwo have male voices, so it's even less.



And is also referred to with male pronouns.

Let's try this again:

Definitely Female:
Female with Male alt:
Probably Female: (Uses Female Trainer hats for alts), (Is Zelda, and uses female pronouns for trophy descriptions, but has been seen with male pronouns before)
Genderless: (Is a parasite that has taken the form of Samus, a female)
Could go either way:
Male and Female Duo:
Male with Female alt:ultvillager:
Genderless (because Robot), but uses male pronouns:
Probably Male: (Fan-made name for the dog is Mr. Peepers), (Gender Ratio*),(use male voice),
Male with 1 Female alt:
Definitely Male:

*If you want to count them, would be "Probably Male" due to gender ratios.

With only 15/72 fighters falling on the Female side of the chart (before, but not including, "Genderless"), I think it's safe to say that we should get at least one more, that being the HGH.

Greninja's blog post just released: https://twitter.com/AllSourceGaming/status/1050553932257193984

It tells us that his final Smash is Ash-Greninja. Ash-Greninja has a 100% male gender ratio (If I remember correctly). Knowing Smash Greninja is Ash-Greninja, I think we can move Greninja to the "definitely male" section. For us, that's more proof that the Females are severely outnumbered in the roster. (And also, no female villains...

are my picks... if we can even get their respective heroes in...)

 

[Teeb147]

Involving CV's role in Icons, do you think that it could detract from Shantae's chances (ignoring the suspicious tweet), because I'm unsure if a VA can be put in a NCC like a character or IP can.

zero detraction. Voice actors are just making sound effects, it'd be crazy for a nintendo to say someone can't voice someone else's character in other places. And I doubt there's any precedent whatsoever with them for something that odd to happen.

 

[Deleted member]

Involving CV's role in Icons, do you think that it could detract from Shantae's chances (ignoring the suspicious tweet), because I'm unsure if a VA can be put in a NCC like a character or IP can.

Nope she’s coming. just stay calm,read a good book or better yet....sleep and relax

 

[TheCJBrine]

Isn't Dark Samus female...?

I haven't played any Metroid game (other than the masterpiece in Brawl), but I read that she's referred to as "she" in the Prime games, and gave birth to Metroids when she was just Metroid Prime.

Also, I think Voice Actors may be able to be part of an NDA(? it's just my understanding), but from what I've read y'all say, nothing she's done would have even broken an NDA...

 

[meleebrawler]

zero detraction. Voice actors are just making sound effects, it'd be crazy for a nintendo to say someone can't voice someone else's character in other places. And I doubt there's any precedent whatsoever with them for something that odd to happen.

Plus nothing stops them from hiring a different voice actor, or if worst comes to worst, just straight up porting Shantae's voice clips from her games like Sonic. She certainly has no shortage of them to fit whatever Smash situation she gets into.

OMG yes. We have zero female villains (again, Dark Samus is Genderless and Wendy isn't her own fighter) and she'd be perfect to fit the role. My only problem with her in is that some Shovel Knight fans might get a bit too salty knowing that he got beat out by not only Shantae, but Risky too. (Dang, we really have gotten to the point where we're repeating ourselves)



Greninja's blog post just released: https://twitter.com/AllSourceGaming/status/1050553932257193984

It tells us that his final Smash is Ash-Greninja. Ash-Greninja has a 100% male gender ratio (If I remember correctly). Knowing Smash Greninja is Ash-Greninja, I think we can move Greninja to the "definitely male" section. For us, that's more proof that the Females are severely outnumbered in the roster. (And also, no female villains...

are my picks... if we can even get their respective heroes in...)

Ehhh, I just use whatever's the "preferred" gender pronoun for a given character, regardless of what it actually is. I'll always call Birdo a she since clearly that's what she believes herself to be, and Dark Samus could easily correct the Pirates who refer to her as a "she", violently if possible, but she doesn't.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Nope she’s coming. just stay calm,read a good book or better yet....sleep and relax

Yup, that's correct she's coming... in some way shape or form.

Oh, and you're coming to my ignore list now too byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

 

[Shadowknight1]

Voice actors, and actors in general, are often under NDAs. That's why it's a running joke that Mark Ruffalo and Tom Holland can't keep a secret regarding the Avengers movies.

 

[Hollywoodrok12]

Yup, that's correct she's coming... in some way shape or form.

Oh, and you're coming to my ignore list now too byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Who are you talking about? If it's me then I'm surprised that that post is what made you finally do it (You won't even hear me tho). As for connor, I don't see what about that post made you want to finally hit the ignore button.

Voice actors, and actors in general, are often under NDAs. That's why it's a running joke that Mark Ruffalo and Tom Holland can't keep a secret regarding the Avengers movies.

OK, but I don't think she'd still be under an NDA for Icons, unless there's a story mode of some kind (which I don't think there is), as all she'd give is a few voice clips; nothing that'd make or break the game.

Plus nothing stops them from hiring a different voice actor, or if worst comes to worst, just straight up porting Shantae's voice clips from her games like Sonic. She certainly has no shortage of them to fit whatever Smash situation she gets into.



Ehhh, I just use whatever's the "preferred" gender pronoun for a given character, regardless of what it actually is. I'll always call Birdo a she since clearly that's what she believes herself to be, and Dark Samus could easily correct the Pirates who refer to her as a "she", violently if possible, but she doesn't.

I also checked her previous trophy desctiptions, and they refer to her as "she". However, that still doesn't change the fact that there are no unique Female Villains. All there is is an alt and an echo that is only borderline(?) female, if at all.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Who are you talking about? If it's me then I'm surprised that that post is what made you finally do it (You won't even hear me tho). As for connor, I don't see what about that post made you want to finally hit the ignore button.

No, I can still hear you my man.

At least now I'll feel a little bit better off here, not having to read Connor's posts. I should have done it ages ago really.

 

[Teeb147]

OK, but I don't think she'd sill be under an NDA for Icons, unless there's a story mode of some kind (which I don't think there is), as all she'd give is a few voice clips; nothing that'd make or break the game.
.

Depends on what kind of contract they have. If people already know, she might not even have an nda for that.
They're a new small company, so I doubt they would have a reason for one in the first place.

 

[Deleted member]

Yup, that's correct she's coming... in some way shape or form.

Oh, and you're coming to my ignore list now too byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

No please don’t I like you I’m sorry

 

[meleebrawler]

I also checked her previous trophy desctiptions, and they refer to her as "she". However, that still doesn't change the fact that there are no unique Female Villains. All there is is an alt and an echo that is only borderline(?) female, if at all.

Classic goalpost moving. If Medusa got in as an echo would that also be insufficient?

I've vouched for Coyle before, but that was more because of her personality and the unique ARMS traits she could than just her being female and a villain (although that could be a bit of a stretch, since she doesn't really have much "evil" ambitions except for somewhat mild revenge against Max Brass).

 

[Deleted member]

Guys James liked this tweet

Also, here is a Shantae drawing I made a while ago.#Shantae4Smash pic.twitter.com/4je6NYAwyt

— Luis Cascabel. (@DanielGuerreth) October 1, 2018

Should we all abandon ship now?

Jk

 

[SneakyLink]

Guys James liked this tweet

Also, here is a Shantae drawing I made a while ago.#Shantae4Smash pic.twitter.com/4je6NYAwyt

— Luis Cascabel. (@DanielGuerreth) October 1, 2018

Should we all abandon ship now?

Jk

I was about to post not yet, but that JK got me.

 

[SimonferSmash]

Guys James liked this tweet

Also, here is a Shantae drawing I made a while ago.#Shantae4Smash pic.twitter.com/4je6NYAwyt

— Luis Cascabel. (@DanielGuerreth) October 1, 2018

Should we all abandon ship now?

Jk

HA!

I see what ya did there.