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Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

Do you think shantae can make it?

  • Yes, as a fighter

  • Yes, as a assist trophy

  • No, not as a assist trophy

  • No, not at all


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TOY the Gamer

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OK, So... Vee IS voicing Ezzie for Icons.

That character was revealed on September 21 by way of @jasonthink on Twitter. Then, Vee's mysterious post went up 4 days later on the 25th, BUT...

Jason had already revealed that Vee was doing the character's voice for Icons before that tweet was posted, so there is STILL a chance that the recording booth tweet is for Shantae in Smash.
 
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zferolie

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OK, So... Vee IS voicing Ezzie for Icons.

That character was revealed on September 21 by way of @jasonthink on Twitter. Then, Vee's mysterious post went up 4 days later on the 25th, BUT...

Jason had already revealed that Vee was doing the character's voice for Icons before that tweet was posted, so there is STILL a chance that the recording booth tweet is for Shantae in Smash.
We have no idea what that recording was for. Could be for Icons(which looks fun) Could be for Shantae in smash. Heck, could be for a super special ultra secret Skullgirls porn game for all we know :)
 
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We have no idea what that recording was for. Could be for Icons(which looks fun) Could be for Shantae in smash. Heck, could be for a super special ultra secret Skullgirls porn game for all we know :)
She refused to say which because that would not break an nda so it’s smash imo
 

Paragon-Yoshi

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Are you starting to make me and others lose hope?because I hope your not:mad:
You seriously need to relax and stop being so emotional.
Yes, we all want Shantae.
But reality doesn't bend to your will or anyone else's.
Keep a realistic mind and remain both logical and hopeful.
 
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I don't want blind optimism clouding my judgement or anyone eases for that matter.

Cautious optimism is key here.
Ok but I’m still not giving up because I believe that there’s an ncc still going on.
 

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But wait the Icon thing with her was announced days before her tweet so the NDA is null and void and she could have talked about it. The fact she can't means it isn't Icons. So these are facts we can count on.

On the Poke front: Meltan was confirmed Gen 8. That is all. Back to your regular schedule Shantae for Smash stuff.

#ShantaeForSmash
 

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Shantae won the Winner's bracket of slackers gaming tournament.
 
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ProtoTwi

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But wait the Icon thing with her was announced days before her tweet so the NDA is null and void and she could have talked about it. The fact she can't means it isn't Icons. So these are facts we can count on.

#ShantaeForSmash
While I agree with you, She still could be under an NDA even if she was already announced. At what point an NDA expires isn't always easy to ascertain. Was it nullified on her announcement? or will it nullify upon release?
Because we don't know the full details we cant put that in to the fact pile.
 

Paragon-Yoshi

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While I agree with you, She still could be under an NDA even if she was already announced. At what point an NDA expires isn't always easy to ascertain. Was it nullified on her announcement? or will it nullify upon release?
Because we don't know the full details we cant put that in to the fact pile.
Didn't Yacht Club Games talk about Shovel Knight as an Assist in Smash, shortly after the 8/8 Direct?
 

Paragon-Yoshi

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yes, but NDA's (like all legal documents) can differ from company to company, and game to game.
Care to present some proof?
I'd love to see some deviations.

You seem very opposed to the idea that Vee's secretive twitter post can't mean something that has already been announced earlier.
Actually makes sense to me. Why are you so against it?

 

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Care to present some proof?
I'd love to see some deviations.

You seem very opposed to the idea that Vee's secretive twitter post can't mean something that has already been announced earlier.
Actually makes sense to me. Why are you so against it?

Yeah how many deviations can a "NONE DISCLOSE AGREEMENT(sorry if I misspelled or got it wrong lol)" have?
 

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Care to present some proof?
I'd love to see some deviations.

You seem very opposed to the idea that Vee's secretive twitter post can't mean something that has already been announced earlier.
Actually makes sense to me. Why are you so against it?

I don't think he is, just being realistic. You can't assume that shes doing voice overs for Shantae in smash. It could be any game. As my one fav. teacher when I was in HighSchool always said, "don't assume, makes an ass out of you and me."
 
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Care to present some proof?
I'd love to see some deviations.

You seem very opposed to the idea that Vee's secretive twitter post can't mean something that has already been announced earlier.
Actually makes sense to me. Why are you so against it?

Why are you against it anyway I won’t judge. which I will
 

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Care to present some proof?
I'd love to see some deviations.

You seem very opposed to the idea that Vee's secretive twitter post can't mean something that has already been announced earlier.
Actually makes sense to me. Why are you so against it?

I actually agreed with the whole "its not for Icons" as its unlikely that the NDA extends past her announcement.
Just trying to point out that legal documents can stipulate anything, and as such speculation on legal matters will never yield a fact.
 

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It's not just Icons that Christina is working on, for that matter. She's also voicing Shantae for the Indivisible game and I believe that game is reaching its end state. I think Miss Vee has fingers in at least 2-3 pies at the moment.

That said, I'm not dismissing outright either that it could be for Smash. Just try and keep a level head and search out all the possibilities.
 
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TJKBird

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Let me preface this by stating I am not a lawyer nor do I have any background in Law so this is all just my interpretation of general NDA practice.

NDA's prevent companies, or anyone under the agreement, from directly exposing information that has been agreed upon by all parties. So in Yacht Club's case, they never explicitly said "Shovel Knight is in Smash" they only commented on that it would be cool if he was. This would not be breaking an NDA as they are not directly relaying any information about Smash. An outside example would be Kit Harrington from GOT after his character in the series was presumably dead. Kit went onto talk shows and talked about and stated that his character was dead and that he was done with the series. Fast forward to the next season and lo and behold his character wasn't dead and he was lying in order to keep people guessing as to his characters fate.

The key thing to keep in mind is that not all contracts are identical. Companies can create any other kinds of stipulations in the agreement so while one contract may prevent all talk of a game another may only prevent disclosing information.
 

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NDA's can differ, they're legal documents with specific details/requirements/whatever presented by both companies in agreement.

In regards to Smash Bros, I'd assume it's typically just agreed upon that the information of both parties cooperating will stay secret until it is known to the public, i.e. their character and whatever else is publicly announced through a video. As long as they don't disclose this information, the NDA isn't broken; they can reply to people all they want, as long as they don't say that they're working with Nintendo / Sora Ltd. / Bandai Namco or that their character is in the game which would confirm said info, with voice-actors being unable to give confirmation that they worked on any character voices for Smash (or any game where this info is not yet publicly available).

Companies may treat this differently, i.e. they simply ignore any question that relates to the NDA's contents, or they may reply but give a statement such as "We have no news regarding [character] at this time" or "We'd love to see them in, but it's not up to us!" as long as there's no confirmation that their character is in / they are working with the other companies. NDA's may be used to help prevent leaks (breaking an NDA can result in one company being legally able to sue the other, and other stuff), or simply to hide info so other companies may not know about it.

I am not a person who deals with legal stuff (and I'm 18 so can't even be one yet anyway lol), however it seems to make sense from what I've seen others say and in basic legal sense (I mean, it's called a Non-Disclosure Agreement, so I'd assume all they have to do is simply don't confirm the information).

edit: and I'm ninja'd, though I figured I'd put my own thoughts.
 
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It's not just Icons that Christina is working on, for that matter. She's also voicing Shantae for the Indivisible game and I believe that game is reaching its end state. I think Miss Vee has fingers in at least 2-3 pies at the moment.

That said, I'm not dismissing outright either that it could be for Smash. Just try and keep a level head and search out all the possibilities.
The thing is we knew she would voice Shantae for Indivisible as soon as Shantae herself was announced. So that right there can't be used as a reason for her silence. Everyone knows that if Shantae requires voice work then Cristina Vee is the person you contact.
 

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I'd like to hope the seemingly stricter NDA on WF's part compared to what we'v seen from Yacht Club means she's playable in Smash as opposed to just being an Assist Trophy.
 

Paragon-Yoshi

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I don't think he is, just being realistic. You can't assume that shes doing voice overs for Shantae in smash. It could be any game. As my one fav. teacher when I was in HighSchool always said, "don't assume, makes an *** out of you and me."
And why am I not allowed to assume that?
I mean, we all agree that Shantae is very likely to be in the game in some form.
So if that's the case, why can I not assume she is doing voice work for Smash? o_O

I actually agreed with the whole "its not for Icons" as its unlikely that the NDA extends past her announcement.
Just trying to point out that legal documents can stipulate anything, and as such speculation on legal matters will never yield a fact.
If you agree with it, why bring up opposing views at all?
It really doesn't make it look like you agree with it...

It's not just Icons that Christina is working on, for that matter. She's also voicing Shantae for the Indivisible game and I believe that game is reaching its end state. I think Miss Vee has fingers in at least 2-3 pies at the moment.

That said, I'm not dismissing outright either that it could be for Smash. Just try and keep a level head and search out all the possibilities.
Never said otherwise.
I was just trying to understand, why she would still be under an NDA over something that was already announced?

Let me preface this by stating I am not a lawyer nor do I have any background in Law so this is all just my interpretation of general NDA practice.

NDA's prevent companies, or anyone under the agreement, from directly exposing information that has been agreed upon by all parties. So in Yacht Club's case, they never explicitly said "Shovel Knight is in Smash" they only commented on that it would be cool if he was. This would not be breaking an NDA as they are not directly relaying any information about Smash. An outside example would be Kit Harrington from GOT after his character in the series was presumably dead. Kit went onto talk shows and talked about and stated that his character was dead and that he was done with the series. Fast forward to the next season and lo and behold his character wasn't dead and he was lying in order to keep people guessing as to his characters fate.

The key thing to keep in mind is that not all contracts are identical. Companies can create any other kinds of stipulations in the agreement so while one contract may prevent all talk of a game another may only prevent disclosing information.
Sorry, but you got it completely wrong.
The issue wasn't Yacht Club Games talking about Shovel Knight.

It was about Vee's Twitter Post, where she hinted that she completed voice work for something secret or something like that.
What exactly she is hinting at is anyone's guess.

However it makes sense to rule out a role for her, that was already revealed at that point.
But someone arguied she still is under an NDA, even though her involvement in that project, was revealed already at that point in time.

And to counter that argument, I brought up Yacht Club Games, who, if I am not mistaken, started talking about Shovel Knight Assist Trophy as soon as he was revealed in the 8/8 Direct.
 
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I'd like to hope the seemingly stricter NDA on WF's part compared to what we'v seen from Yacht Club means she's playable in Smash as opposed to just being an Assist Trophy.

Someone give this guy a medal
 

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If you agree with it, why bring up opposing views at all?
It really doesn't make it look like you agree with it...
Any good theory needs to stand up against scrutiny, for every piece of positive evidence we find, we HAVE to do our best to debunk it.
Just like every piece of Negative evidence we find we HAVE to do out best to debunk that too.

Confirmation Bias is something I want to avoid.
 

Paragon-Yoshi

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Any good theory needs to stand up against scrutiny, for every piece of positive evidence we find, we HAVE to do our best to debunk it.
Just like every piece of Negative evidence we find we HAVE to do out best to debunk that too.
And who decided that?
 

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So that mystery tweet was what, September/October? Assuming it's for Smash Bros and its base game, some part of Shantae's character would still be worked on to this recent point. Is that fair to imagine?
 

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It's not just Icons that Christina is working on, for that matter. She's also voicing Shantae for the Indivisible game and I believe that game is reaching its end state. I think Miss Vee has fingers in at least 2-3 pies at the moment.

That said, I'm not dismissing outright either that it could be for Smash. Just try and keep a level head and search out all the possibilities.
Wait...



Are we all just going to bypass this phrase "fingers in the pie"?

I'm so fascinated with idioms.
where's that come from?
 

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As a person who has worked with legal documents for nearly 10 years, yes, NDAs for things already announced are a real thing. Main reason this is done is to prevent people for revealing too much of the project involved (like a movie spoiler before release or before a major trailer is shown)
 

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And that scientific method can rule over my opinions and feelings?
Dictate what I am allowed to feel and think?
You can feel whatever you want. The scientific method doesn't care about your feelings. It cares about facts
And in this case, the fact is due to how NDA's work its impossible to know what they say with 100% certainty.
 
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