Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[WreckitRyan]

I prodded at their twitter in a roundabout way, not mentioning smash. I got a response.

LINK TO TWEET

Nicely done, friend!

 

[Shinuto]

K. Rool was the biggest surprise since Sanic da hordgeheg in brawl. But honestly I love how hard Sakurai is trying to prevent leaks this time around. It shows that he doesn’t want his (probably) last smash to get ruined by some ****** who just wants to brag, when all anyone does by leaking is piss off the community and hype dies a lot quicker. This game is a big treat to those of us who wait patiently during speculation, and with WF being so darn quiet, I’d say Shantae is in, but might get saved for last in terms of reveals. She’d actually be a great way to end the hype before launch, being the first playable indie character in smash, and that in itself is enough to warrant K. Rool levels of hype.

Not even, she'd have the honor of being the first ever western created and OWNED character playable in Smash.

Diddy Kong, and K. Rool, and Dark Samus were all made by western studios for Nintendo, but all are owned by the Big N, Shantae would be the first ever truly American character to get into Smash.

 

[AngrySun88]

Shantae probably is my most wanted character after K Rool (who got confirmed) and Ashley (who was deconfirmed) so I'm not sure if I want to get my hopes up too much for her. Yet WF is being so damn quiet and suspicious as opposed to last time that you can't help but wonder what's going on.

 

[GoldLiger]

If Shantae gets in I would celebrate by watching "Run Run Bodywash" for one hour. Then tweeting her reveal to the guy from that video lol.

 

[Mrs.Milky]

Oof I ship pit and Shantae now

 

[Teeb147]

Does anyone have a response from WF about smash?
Because if they're answering other qusetions but not the smash related ones, then that's definitely a hint.

Do they answer those, or do they ignore them?


Also, what did you ask in that tweet? if Shantae was going to get any appearances in games?

 

[EarlTamm]

Oof I ship pit and Shantae now

I feel that ship is gonna become popular if Shantae gets in, especially if her Palutena's Guidance has her talking as well.

 

[Mrs.Milky]

I feel that ship is gonna become popular if Shantae gets in, especially if her Palutena's Guidance has her talking as well.

I might end up drawing that ship myself

 

[EarlTamm]

I might end up drawing that ship myself

Go for it.There is a distinct lack of Shantae fan art where she interacts with Nintendo characters.

 

[DeltaSceptile]

All of this anticipation kills me, as Shantae took K. Rools number one spot on my list when he got confirmed, and knowing she has one of the best chances out of any character there is, with tons of hints pointing to inclusion, I’m excited to think that we might get the most unique fighter in that roster with Shantae (seeing as transformations go unused in smash). I’m very excited to see what the next smash direct has when it comes in October or November, as September is too early. But then again, that’s what we all said before the August direct happened.

 

[Teeb147]

All of this anticipation kills me, as Shantae took K. Rools number one spot on my list when he got confirmed, and knowing she has one of the best chances out of any character there is, with tons of hints pointing to inclusion. I’m very excited to see what the next smash direct has when it comes in October or November, as September is too early. But then again, that’s what we all said before the August direct happened.

People are lookiing for their smash fix, so I think september is definitely not out of the question.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Not even, she'd have the honor of being the first ever western created and OWNED character playable in Smash.

Diddy Kong, and K. Rool, and Dark Samus were all made by western studios for Nintendo, but all are owned by the Big N, Shantae would be the first ever truly American character to get into Smash.

Added emphasis on American. While there's a chance Banjo & Kazooie could beat her to the punch as first Western-owned character(s) in Smash, they're still British.

 

[EarlTamm]

All of this anticipation kills me, as Shantae took K. Rools number one spot on my list when he got confirmed, and knowing she has one of the best chances out of any character there is, with tons of hints pointing to inclusion. I’m very excited to see what the next smash direct has when it comes in October or November, as September is too early. But then again, that’s what we all said before the August direct happened.

She does have some great chances, but not many people seem to know it. Does anyone else get that feeling?

 

[DeltaSceptile]

This game may be the first one where every character in my top five most wanted have legitimate chances.

She does have some great chances, but not many people seem to know it. Does anyone else get that feeling?

You know what? I’m fine with people not knowing it. Did anyone regard Ridley OR K. Rool having a good chance after how Sakurai dropped the Ridleys too big bomb or the tiny amount of content dk has had in smash in general?

 

[EarlTamm]

You know what? I’m fine with people not knowing it. Did anyone regard Ridley OR K. Rool having a good chance after how Sakurai dropped the Ridleys too big bomb or the tiny amount of content dk has had in smash in general?

Well not much for Ridley, but K.Rool had hopes from the costume and ballot, but I see your point. Well, I do have the feeling this thread will only get more noticed as time goes on.

 

[lightdasher]

I wonder if you've seen this or not, Shantae is pretty high up! It's one of those ballot roundup votes things, however this sample size is pretty big, 45000ish (no there isn't one too many zeros) entries
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...pw5m-b4JHJ0_cGRKU15KYlTe1E/edit#gid=729442469

 

[Teeb147]

By the way I was serious about my question. I haven't seen any tweets to WF about smash, so I is wondering if they reply or ignore them.

 

[Captain Hazama]

By the way I was serious about my question. I haven't seen any tweets to WF about smash, so I is wondering if they reply or ignore them.

I don't have Twitter. But what I heard from others, they have been silence on the matter

 

[Teeb147]

I don't have Twitter. But what I heard from others, they have been silence on the matter

I know they are in general, but how are they in response to people's questions like the one that was asked?

 

[EarlTamm]

Anyway, going off the Issac thread, like N3ON said, I actually think this is worth discussing. Is it possible for Shantae to get in if Shovel Knight is an assist trophy? I don't believe this, but it's good to discuss. One thing brought up was the fact that SK was published in Japan by Nintendo, which is big, but how much does it affect things?

 

[Teeb147]

We talked about it some already. It actually boosts Shantae's chances, not diminishes them.
The claim is that it lowers them because she's less popular. It doesn't take into account things besides popularity in the U.S./E.U.
And I'm talking about other factors too, like moveset potential, Nintendo's leanings/preferences, and more.

And yeh, it's discussable(debatable), because that's not the whole story.

 

[Veodok]

I know they are in general, but how are they in response to people's questions like the one that was asked?

Mentioning smash usually gets dead air from them. I specifically left smash out of the tweet to see if I could get a response on her inclusion in indie-crossover titles, and they responded pretty quicly.

If I had to guess, they might be under a heavy NDA to not even mention a single word about Smash, regardless of topic.

 

[Teeb147]

Mentioning smash usually gets dead air from them. I specifically left smash out of the tweet to see if I could get a response on her inclusion in indie-crossover titles, and they responded pretty quicly.

If I had to guess, they might be under a heavy NDA to not even mention a single word about Smash, regardless of topic.

Yeah you did good. I'm glad we got that. And that's also why I'm wondering about the putting smash in there, or if anyone knows someone who asked, because I've heard about it, but not anyone personally who's asked.

 

[EarlTamm]

We talked about it some already. It actually boosts Shantae's chances, not diminishes them.
The claim is that it lowers them because she's less popular. It doesn't take into account things besides popularity in the U.S./E.U.
And I'm talking about other factors too, like moveset potential, Nintendo's leanings/preferences, and more.

Yes, I agree, but we never really talked about the whole SK is published by Nintendo thing.
I do have to add one thing that helps Shantae though, and that is the future of the SK series. Do we really know what is gonna happen with Shovel Knight after the whole game is done? Will they go strait to a sequel, or will they make a new series? With Shantae, there is no uncertainty. At the time, Pirates Curse was a huge success and they just had a successful kickstarter, as well as already being a full on continuing franchise. That plays a bit of a factor.

 

[DeltaSceptile]

We talked about it some already. It actually boosts Shantae's chances, not diminishes them.
The claim is that it lowers them because she's less popular. It doesn't take into account things besides popularity in the U.S./E.U.
And I'm talking about other factors too, like moveset potential, Nintendo's leanings/preferences, and more.

Yeah, don’t know why people gotta be so dense thinking popularity is the only way into smash. Sure that’s part of it, but look at common things between K. Rool, Ridley, Simon, and Inkling. They all had moveset potential along with the popularity. Then there’s characters like Kat&Ana, who could get in due to being preferred by Nintendo when making smash (I say this because they were the first Wario character outside of Wario to be in smash, and probably would’ve been playable in smash 4 if the 3ds wasn’t so technically limited. Their AT also hasn’t been seen, which could lead to some pretty big speculation). Each character has different reasons for getting in be it relevance, moveset potential, popularity, personal preference, etc.

 

[Teeb147]

Yes, I agree, but we never really talked about the whole SK is published by Nintendo thing.
I do have to add one thing that helps Shantae though, and that is the future of the SK series. Do we really know what is gonna happen with Shovel Knight after the whole game is done? Will they go strait to a sequel, or will they make a new series? With Shantae, there is no uncertainty. At the time, Pirates Curse was a huge success and they just had a successful kickstarter, as well as already being a full on continuing franchise. That plays a bit of a factor.

Sure. Well, we don't know what kind of arrangement YC made with Nintendo. They funded the Amiibo themselves, so who's to say they didn't make a costly deal for nintendo to do so? I'll take a look if there's easy answers to that, cuz I'm not sure yet.

And I do think long history counts for a lot, too.

 

[perfectchaos83]

Anyway, going off the Issac thread, like N3ON said, I actually think this is worth discussing. Is it possible for Shantae to get in if Shovel Knight is an assist trophy? I don't believe this, but it's good to discuss. One thing brought up was the fact that SK was published in Japan by Nintendo, which is big, but how much does it affect things?

IMO, yes. If we're talking about an indie with overall worldwide interest, Shantae fits the bill more than Shovel Knight does. There was always a market for Shantae localizations before Pirate's curse came out over there and she has a much more dedicated JP base than Shovel Knight does.

It's not a whole lot to go off of, but I have looked at Google analytics for the two games and Shantae does garner more interest on Google and always has in Japan.

 

[EarlTamm]

Yeah, don’t know why people gotta be so dense thinking popularity is the only way into smash. Sure that’s part of it, but look at common things between K. Rool, Ridley, Simon, and Inkling. They all had moveset potential along with the popularity. Then there’s characters like Kat&Ana, who could get in due to being preferred by Nintendo when making smash. Each character has different reasons for getting in be it relevance, moveset potential, popularity, personal preference, etc.

Yeah, I agree. Every character has different things going for them, and people really should not just disregard Shantae for something as simple as SK being assisted. He just proves indies are rising up.

 

[Teeb147]

Yeah, don’t know why people gotta be so dense thinking popularity is the only way into smash. Sure that’s part of it, but look at common things between K. Rool, Ridley, Simon, and Inkling. They all had moveset potential along with the popularity. Then there’s characters like Kat&Ana, who could get in due to being preferred by Nintendo when making smash (I say this because they were the first Wario character outside of Wario to be in smash, and probably would’ve been playable in smash 4 if the 3ds wasn’t so technically limited. Their AT also hasn’t been seen, which could lead to some pretty big speculation). Each character has different reasons for getting in be it relevance, moveset potential, popularity, personal preference, etc.

Yeah. the thing is that ( EarlTamm ) if you go to threads where they're invested in characters that did incredibly well in polls, you're going to trigger a bias for popularity, because they rely a bit on that to boost their chances, in their eyes. And I say that knowing that Shantae is actually popular too. The deal was that they think she wont make it because shovel knight didnt.

IMO, yes. If we're talking about an indie with overall worldwide interest, Shantae fits the bill more than Shovel Knight does. There was always a market for Shantae localizations before Pirate's curse came out over there and she has a much more dedicated JP base than Shovel Knight does.

It's not a whole lot to go off of, but I have looked at Google analytics for the two games and Shantae does garner more interest on Google and always has in Japan.

The argument is that Japan doesn't count for many numbers, they're a smallish country.
That said, it doesn't factor that Nintendo is based in Japan, lol.

 

[AngrySun88]

Let's also not forget that Shantae has "seniority" over SK. Her first game came out way back in 2002 on the Game Boy Color. She's been on Nintendo consoles for a while and I'd say that she's more of the face of indie characters than SK. If an indie character is in Smash, it would be her.

With SK being an assist trophy, I say that only increases her chances.

 

[Veodok]

And that's also why I'm wondering about the putting smash in there, or if anyone knows someone who asked, because I've heard about it, but not anyone personally who's asked.

On their twitter, you can find people asking about smash underneath WF's responses to other questions, even mine--none of them are answered.

 

[EarlTamm]

Yeah. the thing is that ( EarlTamm ) if you go to threads where they're invested in characters that did incredibly well in polls, you're going to trigger a bias for popularity, because they rely a bit on that to boost their chances, in their eyes. And I say that knowing that Shantae is actually popular too. The deal was that they think she wont make it because shovel knight didnt.



The argument is that Japan doesn't count for many numbers, they're a smallish country.
That said, it doesn't factor that Nintendo is based in Japan, lol.

Yeah, my bad. I am just way to quick on this sort of thing. Though, you did just kinda have a foot in mouth situation over on that thread. We should all really think about how to handle this sort of stuff out of the thread whenever the situation arises.

 

[DeltaSceptile]

The argument is that Japan doesn't count for many numbers, they're a smallish country.
That said, it doesn't factor that Nintendo is based in Japan, lol.

Yeah, people seem to completely ignore Japan when it comes to smash speculation, especially if they don’t agree with their opinion. I try not to offend anyone (sorry if I do) but shovel knight probably just didn’t have enough moveset potential (the assist trophy basically covers all the basics). Shantae has more history with Nintendo, more moveset potential, and tops it off with being more popular in Japan, where Smash is developed.

 

[DOTBHDD]

I want some fan art of Shantae interaction with other characters. Seeing Shantae and Mega Man (my most wanted and main) interact would be so cool. Or Shantae and Sonic. Or Shantae and Mario. Shantae is so damn cool!

 

[Teeb147]

Yeah, my bad. I am just way to quick on this sort of thing. Though, you did just kinda have a foot in mouth situation over on that thread. We should all really think about how to handle this sort of stuff out of the thread whenever the situation arises.

tbh, I was more surprised by them, they were kind of sensitive to it, I'm not sure why. Off of my head I'm not sure how to handle it, but I think it's somewhat common that stuff like that happens, lol.

Yeah, people seem to completely ignore Japan when it comes to smash speculation, especially if they don’t agree with their opinion. I try not to offend anyone (sorry if I do) but shovel knight probably just didn’t have enough moveset potential (the assist trophy basically covers all the basics). Shantae has more history with Nintendo, more moveset potential, and tops it off with being more popular in Japan, where Smash is developed.

yeah exactly. And there's deeper stuff and details too, but I don't think we've compiled it all together, because we weren't focused on debating. I'm not sure we need to though, so.. *shrug*

On their twitter, you can find people asking about smash underneath WF's responses to other questions, even mine--none of them are answered.

Thanks for letting me know. I'm not very good at twitter so I'm not sure how to look at that. hopefully i can figure it out or someone can point me in a direction.

 

[AngrySun88]

Shantae and Palutena would be a fun pair. Lots of meta humor there.

I also want to see Shantae interact with Wario since they've both faced pirates.

And for a fun bit of trivia, Shantae's voice actress also voiced 5-Volt and 13-Amp in WarioWare Gold.

 

[WreckitRyan]

Shantae and Palutena would be a fun pair. Lots of meta humor there.

I also want to see Shantae interact with Wario since they've both faced pirates.

And for a fun bit of trivia, Shantae's voice actress also voiced 5-Volt and 13-Amp in WarioWare Gold.

And Ophilia from Octopath Traveler, Your Excellency!

 

[EarlTamm]

tbh, I was more surprised by them, they were kind of sensitive to it, I'm not sure why. Off of my head I'm not sure how to handle it, but I think it's somewhat common that stuff like that happens, lol.

Yeah, I kinda wonder that as well. But lets not gossip. Let's talk fun stuff and how we could improve the Shantae cause. I know we have the evidence, we just need a better way of showing it rather than stumbling all over ourselves.

 

[WreckitRyan]

https://mobile.twitter.com/WayForward/status/1032090389392453633
"We have nothing to announce at this time as far as any game in concerned. If that changes, we'll be sure to let everyone know."

Basically the same response as before, but now they added in "ANY" game.

 

[EarlTamm]

Oh wow, did you guys see WayForward actually responded to the smash responses on that tweet one of you sent?

https://mobile.twitter.com/WayForward/status/1032090389392453633
"We have nothing to announce at this time as far as any game in concerned. If that changes, we'll be sure to let everyone know."

Basically the same response as before, but now they added in "ANY" game.

Well, it's still kinda a non answer. Of course this is not the time to announce anything special, it's not part of any sort of presentation or anything. Plus the tweet they responded to still did not have smash in the tweet itself, though the posters icon does indicate that they are fans of the game.