Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[Deleted member]

Oh wow, did you guys see WayForward actually responded to the smash responses on that tweet one of you sent?

https://mobile.twitter.com/WayForward/status/1032090389392453633
"We have nothing to announce at this time as far as any game in concerned. If that changes, we'll be sure to let everyone know."

Basically the same response as before, but now they added in "ANY" game.

Still the basic "No Comment" response, I wouldn't read too much in to it. If under NDA they can't comment on it anyways.

 

[DeltaSceptile]

NEXT TIME ON DRAGON BALL Z... Shantae joins the battle!

 

[WreckitRyan]

Well, it's still kinda a non answer. Of course this is not the time to announce anything special, it's not part of any sort of presentation or anything. Plus the tweet they responded to still did not have smash in the tweet itself, though the posters icon does indicate that they are fans of the game.

Ah yes, sorry I missed that subtlety. They only addressed the one that was vague and didn't address the one that asked about smash specifically. Well done, WF, well done.

 

[RetroMetalSonic]

Another thing about character interactions, am I the only one who thinks Shantae would fangirl over Samus? I don't know, I feel like she'd be a big fan of her.

 

[Teeb147]

https://mobile.twitter.com/WayForward/status/1032090389392453633
"We have nothing to announce at this time as far as any game in concerned. If that changes, we'll be sure to let everyone know."

Basically the same response as before, but now they added in "ANY" game.

hmm. That means they broke the silence.?
Nothing to announce

 

[EarlTamm]

Ah yes, sorry I missed that subtlety. They only addressed the one that was vague and didn't address the one that asked about smash specifically. Well done, WF, well done.

WF: "Hah! Did you really think we didn't surf Smashboards as well?"
Us: "Wait, why are you guys surfing Smashboards?"
WF: (Gone)

Another thing about character interactions, am I the only one who thinks Shantae would fangirl over Samus? I don't know, I feel like she'd be a big fan of her.

Totally, she is kind the foundation of Shantae's genre.

 

[AngrySun88]

It still sounds like a generic NDA non-answer to me. It doesn't confirm or deny anything.

 

[Parallel_Falchion]

The logical side of me wants to say all these "hints" are just conspiracy theories that are leading nowhere...but dang, there sure are a lot of them, and a few really are odd. Why the radio silence? Why no Shantae in other platform fighters? Why am I letting my food get cold?

We'll just have to play the waiting game.

 

[Teeb147]

Edit: Nevermind, I saw the comments and replies. Seems they haven't actually broke the silence on smash, too.

I'm not sure what to make of it yet lol. It's still interesting to always say they have nothing to announce and not be specific.

 

[EarlTamm]

Edit: Nevermind, I saw the comments and replies

I'm not sure what to make of it yet lol. It's still interesting to always say they have nothing to announce and not be specific.

Actually, they have not responded to the comment yet. And they likely won't, like every other time. But now this comment comes after they responded to two previous comments in a row, so if they continue to ignore it certainly will say a lot. But I will say, let's not really prod them anymore for info. After that trap, we might have sent the twitter person into a nervous state, and as hungry for info as we are, let's not stress Wayforward too much.

 

[Teeb147]

Actually, they have not responded to the comment yet. And they likely won't, like every other time. But now this comment comes after they responded to two previous comments in a row, so if they continue to ignore it certainly will say a lot. But I will say, let's not really prod them anymore for info. After that trap, we might have sent the twitter person into a nervous state, and as hungry for info as we are, let's not stress Wayforward too much.

Yeh that's what I mean, the fact that they respond to everything else but silence on smash is true, up to now, and it definitely means something. Im looking at their other tweets and they respond to lots of stuff.

I feel like it's established quite a bit more now lol.
I kind of also feel like being under NDA has got to be a bit tough.. with prods from fans, lol. Don't crumble WF!

 

[Veodok]

Y'know, I'd put money on there being at least one person at WF that frequents this thread....

I SEE YOU -.-

 

[EarlTamm]

Y'know, I'd put money on there being at least one person at WF that frequents this thread....

I SEE YOU -.-

Who knows, that person just might be one of US!... I jest, I doubt all of this would make them even more nervous than they would already be.

 

[TheRandomCities4]

Hypothetical/Devil's Advocate:

Let's assume that some of the more prominent leaks are true and they list all characters that are actually getting in Smash. This would pretty much be the only draw against Shantae at this point (since I don't remember any of the leaks mentioning her). (Barring the possibility that no leaker knows Shantae is in if she is, and is therefore unable to leak her.)

Although, I must admit that it's interesting we have a lot of coincidental/circumstantial evidence suggesting Shantae's potential inclusion in Smash. That's more than what most other characters on the leaks can claim at this moment (if I'm not mistaken).

 

[EarlTamm]

Hypothetical/Devil's Advocate:

Let's assume that some of the more prominent leaks are true and they list all characters that are actually getting in Smash. This would pretty much be the only draw against Shantae at this point (since I don't remember any of the leaks mentioning her).

Although, I must admit that it's interesting we have a lot of coincidental/circumstantial evidence suggesting Shantae's potential inclusion in Smash. That's more than what most other characters on the leaks can claim at this moment (if I'm not mistaken).

Well, a leaker needs to have people believe then. Shantae is not making to many waves outside of her own community, so saying she is in the game would certainly cause some questioning and negative feedback. Does not help that some of these bigger leakers have a bit of an ego.

The only character I know that could have her beat in pure evidence is Geno, as it is kinda hard to beat the word of Sakurai, the costume, and how the newcomer trend is going.

 

[Teeb147]

Hypothetical/Devil's Advocate:

Let's assume that some of the more prominent leaks are true and they list all characters that are actually getting in Smash. This would pretty much be the only draw against Shantae at this point (since I don't remember any of the leaks mentioning her). (Barring the possibility that no one knows Shantae is in if she is, and is therefore unable to leak her.)

Although, I must admit that it's interesting we have a lot of coincidental/circumstantial evidence suggesting Shantae's potential inclusion in Smash. That's more than what most other characters on the leaks can claim at this moment (if I'm not mistaken).

Personally, I don't believe any leaks as a whole. You have to remember that they rely on sources. And these can be wrong at times, depending on where they get their info, and some may actually be intentional by Nintendo in order to flush out these leakers. In many cases, anyway, it's multiple sources of info, so there's no point in thinking one leaker will have it all. It also depends on how tightly knit some info is. If Shantae wasn't spread at all, no leakers would know.

 

[AngrySun88]

I don't trust any leaker simply because they've made a few lucky guesses. I trust the circumstantial/coincidental evidence we have now with Shantae over any leaker.

 

[zferolie]

https://mobile.twitter.com/WayForward/status/1032090389392453633
"We have nothing to announce at this time as far as any game in concerned. If that changes, we'll be sure to let everyone know."

Basically the same response as before, but now they added in "ANY" game.

Could be legit they have. Othing. Could also kean they cannot say anything till they are ready too. I hope the latter

 

[DOTBHDD]

That guy was not slick at all!

You have to be smooth. You can't just dance around a subject then jump to the investigation.

 

[DOTBHDD]

Wait wait wait...

"If anything changes we'll be sure to let everyone know."?

The thing about WayForward is that they are most of the time personal. Saying things like "We'll be sure to let you know."

They are 100% aware of the Shantae hype but maybe can't tell fans yet. Or they are waiting to break the bad news? Either way, them saying "eveyone" is an indication of a big announcement they want their fans to know.

Could be a cameo for another indie game. Who knows. It's just wierd wording I'm looking far too into.

 

[AngrySun88]

They still sound like they're under an NDA. It's another non-answer.

Remember, even if she's not in the base roster and she's not in anyway deconfirmed, Shantae is an excellent choice for DLC and I can see her getting in that way.

 

[Teeb147]

Wait wait wait...

"If anything changes we'll be sure to let everyone know."?

The thing about WayForward is that they are most of the time personal. Saying things like "We'll be sure to let you know."

They are 100% aware of the Shantae hype but maybe can't tell fans yet. Or they are waiting to break the bad news? Either way, them saying "eveyone" is an indication of a big announcement they want their fans to know.

Could be a cameo for another indie game. Who knows. It's just wierd wording I'm looking far too into.

Yes, we've been trying to confirm what's going on, and WayForward respond a lot to many questions, but not the smash related ones. They even responded to ones about rivals and other smash-like games, but not smash. It's at the very least hinting to that she's in the game in some way.

And a note for you, the mods don't want people double-posting. just so you know for the future.

 

[Veodok]

Who knows. It's just wierd wording I'm looking far too into.

If anything, I think it's just a pre-written response for these such occasions, since the wording is used almost the exact same way twice. A neutral-toned deflection response fits that bill pretty well for an NDA.

Also, these deflection responses wouldn't be used at all (nor would they be ignoring smash-centric questions) if they had "bad news". It would have been smarter for them to have just come out and say something along the lines of "we're not in contact with Nintendo about it" if nothing was happening.

 

[Teeb147]

If anything, I think it's just a pre-written response for these such occasions, since the wording is used almost the exact same way twice. A neutral-toned deflection response fits that bill pretty well for an NDA.

Also, these deflection responses wouldn't be used at all (nor would they be ignoring smash-centric questions) if they had "bad news". It would have been smarter for them to have just come out and say something along the lines of "we're not in contact with Nintendo about it" if nothing was happening.

They didn't even use that response for smash stuff. They're quiet for that. But you're right about it if they do start using it, which they might, if they feel the need to.

Also, I was thinking about there being no Shantae in the indie fighting games, and since Shovel Knight is still in them, wouldn't that mean there'd a different agreement (with nintendo) with Wayforward than there is for Shovel Knight?

 

[Loz18-Echo]

They didn't even use that response for smash stuff. They're quiet for that. But you're right about it if they do start using it, which they might, if they feel the need to.

Also, I was thinking about there being no Shantae in the indie fighting games, and since Shovel Knight is still in them, wouldn't that mean there's a different agreement (with nintendo) with Wayforward than there is for Shovel Knight?

Well Shovel knight is only a assist trophy so maybe that would be a factor?


Also hey consider me a supporter

 

[Veodok]

Also, I was thinking about there being no Shantae in the indie fighting games, and since Shovel Knight is still in them, wouldn't that mean there'd a different agreement (with nintendo) with Wayforward than there is for Shovel Knight?

That would be the logical conclusion, yeah.

 

[Deleted member]

The whole "no comment" hasn't changed much on our end really. They still haven't broken a theoretical NDA.

And one could argue the 2nd reply was at rep from WF trying to clarify what he said, as the reply from TOY questioned the language.

 

[DOTBHDD]

Those Tweets (and lack of) prove that they're not going to talk about Smash. There is absolutely no reason they would need to avoid talking about Smash for this long if something wasn't up. Unless they're trolling, in which... that would be a harsh blow. They replied to two tweets and as soon as Smash is brought up... BOOM! Silence. They logged out. Lmao.

I think we can 75% confirm it's because of NDA.

I think we can also say she's 50% playable because NDA doesn't technically mean she's on the roster. Could be other things.

Ladies and gentlemen, this could be it.

 

[EarlTamm]

I think we can also say she's 50% playable because NDA doesn't technically mean she's on the roster. Could be other things.

The thing is, I am pretty sure Yachtclup and it's developers still responded to Smash comments. When was the last time they mentioned the idea of SK being in Smash? Now, I know it is possible that assist are selected at a later point of development, but it would be good to get a comparison.

 

[DeltaSceptile]

I don't trust any leaker simply because they've made a few lucky guesses. I trust the circumstantial/coincidental evidence we have now with Shantae over any leaker.

Yeah, all leaks are fake until proven 100% accurate. Even Vegetable (vergeben) has gotten things wrong, such as saying that Simon would be at e3 (this was in his original post, which I’m sure has since been deleted), or not saying anything about at least six fighters not in smash 4 that were in ultimate before e3. He also made the VERY bold statement that Decidueye, Lycanroc, and Mimikyu are all not happening. Mimikyu was a safe guess, seeing as it would’ve been very hard to make that thing playable, and Decidueye I didn’t think was happening anyway. But Lycanroc is where that post goes downhill fast. The pokemon company always picks the thing that they are heavily marketing, and this time around it was Lycanroc. Besides, outside of company bias, it could be a very unique fighter that was fairly popular. There’s reasons I hate leakers, one reason being that they have massive egos and try to piss off fans by trying to make us believe anything they say.

 

[Teeb147]

So putting it together, It could be that it's WayForward's way of handling the NDA, and inadvertently.. we have a reason to think they could be bound by one.
The differences between Shantae and Shovel Knight make it seem like there's a different agreement between them, and seeing how Shovel Knight is an assist trophy, it could mean that the difference for that is that Shantae isn't, and part of the contract is that they can't sign up Shantae for any other fighting or party game for a certain period of time.

It could also be something different, but let's just say, it's a good one for giving a bit more hope lol :D

 

[EarlTamm]

Hey, what do you think would be good item's from the Shantae series?

 

[Wademan94]

Hey, what do you think would be good item's from the Shantae series?

I'd say Pike Ball, we haven't had an item like that in Smash yet.

 

[Jave]

On the topic of character interactions, I think Shantae would get along well with the Inklings, mainly due to her finding them cute and hugable in their squid form.

 

[Teeb147]

Hey if Geno gets in they could get along, since they both can be about making wishes happen.

 

[EarlTamm]

Wait, wouldn't Shantae really like the Link's? They are all aficionados in the art of the "Item Get!" pose.

 

[Teeb147]

This has been a good day in the Shantae thread. I'm glad I got to catch up with stuff and even if we already knew about all stuff with WF, it feels more concrete to me, and I wonder what's going to come next.
Nighty.

 

[Staarih]

https://mobile.twitter.com/WayForward/status/1032090389392453633
"We have nothing to announce at this time as far as any game in concerned. If that changes, we'll be sure to let everyone know."

Basically the same response as before, but now they added in "ANY" game.

Sounds pretty generic: of course they don’t have anything to announce at this time - maybe in a month or two they do And that is a change they’ll let everyone know about, definitely. I wouldn’t worry just yet.

Nighty.

...and here I am just waking up and catching up with the thread haha! I appreciate the activity here, though!

 

[MajestyIndigo]

If she is announced and after the game came out, we really need to have some kind of celebration together !
Like a big"RIP Haters", "Shantae's glory" tournament haha :D

Also, I cannot wait to come back to this thread moments after her annoucment to read your ecstatic messages :D
Let's keep hoping as long as we can, because as of now, she is as likely as anyone else !

 

[Deleted member]

So. I've been really trying to play devil's advocate on why WF and Matt would be quiet about smash.

I don't want us to all suffer from confirmation bias or anything.

My problem is I can't think of any legit/ business sound/ legal reason other then an NDA to explain the silence.