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Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

Do you think shantae can make it?

  • Yes, as a fighter

  • Yes, as a assist trophy

  • No, not as a assist trophy

  • No, not at all


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RetroMetalSonic

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So another indie fighting game gets a guest character, this time yooka laylee in brawlout.


Still no Shantae, on of the more famous indie characters is not in a fighting game with other indies... more reason to think she may be in smash?
It is kinda fishy... I mean, with Shovel Knight, Yooka, Juan, Quote and even ISAAC (The Binding of Isaac one, not the Golden Sun one.) getting fighting game appearances I'm really surprised that Shantae hasn't been in one yet... Either no one even thought of asking for her yet, or maybe Nintendo made a deal with WayForward to not have Shantae appear in any other fighting game so it would draw more attention to Smash Bros...
 

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It is kinda fishy... I mean, with Shovel Knight, Yooka, Juan, Quote and even ISAAC (The Binding of Isaac one, not the Golden Sun one.) getting fighting game appearances I'm really surprised that Shantae hasn't been in one yet... Either no one even thought of asking for her yet, or maybe Nintendo made a deal with WayForward to not have Shantae appear in any other fighting game so it would draw more attention to Smash Bros...
Exactly. You have so many other top Indie characters making it into an Indie Smash Bros like game and not have the literal QUEEN OF INDIES on there? That is very suspicious.
 

WreckitRyan

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After watching that one video about what is said about Jammies Mode dialogue and trailer for it plus the whole "Why isn't Shantae a fighter in these other Indie developed fighting games?" to the front lines of a possible NDA to prevent her from being made playable in ANY fighting game UNTIL Smash Ultimate's release window. Which would make sense as WayForward had no problems with Shantae making a cameo in these other none fighting games. Here is the video I am talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxOboUFdfDc

It's just too much of a coincidence plus added to the fact that "Jammies Mode" was made as a way to thank the fans of Shantae. Thank us for what? I thought getting the Ultimate Edition was thanks enough since that game has most of the backer only stuff. What else would they need to thank us for?
Thanks for the shout out, that is my video :)

(Also add me to the list of supporters please!)
 
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COGNITIVE PSIENCE, SON!
How long have we been aware of these circumstances? For instance, the silence from WF, non-inclusion of Shantae in various indie fighting games (unlike SK and many others), etc.

It almost seems like this stuff just recently got brought to our attention when in reality they were always there. It's all very intriguing to me.
 

MoveMan1

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I think the general consenus was "yeah, it's weird, but Shovel Knight will take her slot cos MUH POPULARITY!"

Which is stupid, when you consider there are many other reasons other than popularity our newcomers got in.
 

EarlTamm

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How long have we been aware of these circumstances? For instance, the silence from WF, non-inclusion of Shantae in various indie fighting games (unlike SK and many others), etc.

It almost seems like this stuff just recently got brought to our attention when in reality they were always there. It's all very intriguing to me.
It's because there was logic behind there silence before. There was nothing Smash related happening, so why would we expect them to talk Smash? As for the other games, it only started becoming more and more suspicious as the games started to pile on. One game sure, but we are basically at 4 games now where Shantae should have logically made an appearance by now and where she is heavily requested. And 3 of those games have SK. But the main thing that kicked this into high gear was when SK was showed as an assist with no sign of Shantae in sight. Her biggest competition is now gone, she would have likely been revealed alongside him in that montage if she was an assist(I recall SK and her often share the same guest star announcement in several indie, like "Shovel Knight & Shantae appear" sort of thing). This is why things have accelerated.
 

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It is kinda fishy... I mean, with Shovel Knight, Yooka, Juan, Quote and even ISAAC (The Binding of Isaac one, not the Golden Sun one.) getting fighting game appearances I'm really surprised that Shantae hasn't been in one yet... Either no one even thought of asking for her yet, or maybe Nintendo made a deal with WayForward to not have Shantae appear in any other fighting game so it would draw more attention to Smash Bros...
Indie Pogo actually did ask for Shantae but they got declined.
 

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I cant find it at the moment but I think I remember something on their twitter?
 

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I think the general consenus was "yeah, it's weird, but Shovel Knight will take her slot cos MUH POPULARITY!"

Which is stupid, when you consider there are many other reasons other than popularity our newcomers got in.
Yes, I figure that "making sure you have at least one dang game with everything out of the box" would be one of them, seeing as all the promised DLC stuff for Shovel Knight took years to come out.

Well, that and Shantae having a more interesting potential gameplay to use than SK's mostly-standard mechanics.
 

EarlTamm

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I cant find it at the moment but I think I remember something on their twitter?
If we can find it, then that will support us even further. It would prove that Wayforward is outright not allowing Shantae in fighting games. helps that Indie Pogo is Smash inspired.
 

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Without counting Pogo's tweet which has yet to be found, so many elements seem to point towards Shantae's inclusion as a playable characer...
If she does not make it in, I'll forever give up on hype speculation and hint-hunting of any game for it wouldn't make sense to me anymore !! xD
 

AngrySun88

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All of this does sound very suspicious.

If Shantae is in Smash, perhaps Nintendo had WayForward not only sign an NDA, but also not allow them to put her into other fighting games? I'm not sure why they would, but this whole thing just seems odd.
 

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Without counting Pogo's tweet which has yet to be found, so many elements seem to point towards Shantae's inclusion as a playable characer...
If she does not make it in, I'll forever give up on hype speculation and hint-hunting of any game for it wouldn't make sense to me anymore !! xD
No kidding. If that happen then what in the nine hell's was WayForward so quiet and not being invited to any of the other Indie Brawlers.
 
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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1642689247/indie-pogo/faqs
As far as Shantae not being in Indi Pogo. The Kickstarter Page has a FAQ section, and one of the FAQ's is "WHERE IS SHANTAE"
The Response is
As of writing this FAQ, we have not "formally" reached out to Wayforward. We want Wayforward to see fan interest first as it will strengthen our pitch. Feel free to continue to express your interest to them (so long as nobody is being spammy). Let your voice be heard! We think she would be a great fit as well :D
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Thanks for the shout out, that is my video :)

(Also add me to the list of supporters please!)
Yeah your video really opened my eyes to see what the heck was going on with Shantae and her non inclusion in ALL Indie Fighting games. Shovel Knight was announced in May for Blade Strangers yet no Shantae to be seen. All of this has the making of a rather epic reveal of the first playable indie character in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate.

The amount of evidence and hints are maddening.
 

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zferolie

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Its funny how many odd things there are... not appearing in any fighting game with other indies, declining or not accepting Pogo, the silence. Its one to make our tin hates crackle.

We will have to wait and see. I suspect we'll know of more characters offically in a few weeks, whenever the next full direct is. the last few years have had a fall direct anywhere from Aug 31st till September 13th, so we should expect one around then.
 
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EarlTamm

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"On that front" is equivalent to "on that topic".
Okay. What I get from that tweet is pretty much "When Nintendo decides to announce Shantae, then we will let everyone know!" They can't say anything until the "topic" is there after all. Or maybe I am looking at this two deeply.
 
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Okay. What I get from that tweet is pretty much "When Nintendo decides to announce Shantae, then we will let everyone know!" They can't say anything until the "topic" is there after all. Or maybe I am looking at this two deeply.
Yeah you are looking just a lil too deeply on that front.

(see what i did there)
 

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So if Shantae gets in, I will post this to celebrate. Shantae cool shades.png
 

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It is kinda fishy... I mean, with Shovel Knight, Yooka, Juan, Quote and even ISAAC (The Binding of Isaac one, not the Golden Sun one.) getting fighting game appearances I'm really surprised that Shantae hasn't been in one yet... Either no one even thought of asking for her yet, or maybe Nintendo made a deal with WayForward to not have Shantae appear in any other fighting game so it would draw more attention to Smash Bros...
While not a fighting game per se(more a Platform RPG) she is gonna pop up in Indivisible soon
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EarlTamm

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I agree, But the wording is irrelevant, basically their answer is "No Comment"
Yeah, you are right. But at the end of the day, "No Comment" still indicate something, and the fact that they respond to so much yet completely ignore Smash stuff is telling.
 

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They're definitely tight-lipped, which is understandable since leaks are being prevented at all costs this time around. I think we'll be in for a :ultkrool:- level surprise in the coming months.
K. Rool was the biggest surprise since Sanic da hordgeheg in brawl. But honestly I love how hard Sakurai is trying to prevent leaks this time around. It shows that he doesn’t want his (probably) last smash to get ruined by some ****** who just wants to brag, when all anyone does by leaking is piss off the community and hype dies a lot quicker. This game is a big treat to those of us who wait patiently during speculation, and with WF being so darn quiet, I’d say Shantae is in, but might get saved for last in terms of reveals. She’d actually be a great way to end the hype before launch, being the first playable indie character in smash, and that in itself is enough to warrant K. Rool levels of hype.
 
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