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Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

Do you think shantae can make it?

  • Yes, as a fighter

  • Yes, as a assist trophy

  • No, not as a assist trophy

  • No, not at all


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Teeb147

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I think LeakyPanda only said the box theory was sound to him, he doesn't have leaks to confirm it, I suspect.
He hasn't commented about this 108 stages news, so I think it's safe to be more open and stop relying on pieces of news or claims.
 
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kevinthedot

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While I don't want Incineroar since we already got Charizard for a fully evolved fire type, it is certainly possible. I don't give Verge much credit though. I think he had a real leak of info at the start of all this with Simon and Isabelle, but I think that's really it. Same thing that happened with loz; he got access to the demo early and did leak a bunch of accurate things, but from there he didn't have anything concrete.

The only crazy theory I believe is my own that we got 7-8 characters (including echos) left to be revealed based on the Smash blog schedule, and even that is paper thin since they could just slow down the schedule whenever.
 

Shark X

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At the end of the day, Incineroar is a good choice for a Gen 7 Pokemon rep because he really could make for a good fighter, yet with everyone and their mothers predicting him, I'm sour on the tiger nacho libre.
Again, I don't predict him at all >.< And since all of my pridictions have been right so far, I can definately say I'm GLAD I don't predict him. I don't care for anyone I predicted, but not upset they got in. If he got in over someone better, I'd be really ticked... Not saying BELIEVE ME or anything, just defending myself from the 'everyone and their mothers predicting him' comment.
 

Sudz

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Besides the plot that was established where it was stated he killed a bunch of people, but other than that, I didn't say he was the main villain of the very first game. Just the early games like Pokemon Stadium and Pokemon Puzzle League.
Ah yes, Pokémon Puzzle League and Pokemon Battle Simulator 3D, my source for tasty Pokémon canon

Just giving you grief. Pretty sure he only killed his creators and such. I don't buy it considering we have people like Ganon and K Rool in-game, the former being pure evil and the latter being a madman. Mewtwo is an antihero with a dark past, but he's even less a villain than Dedede, who's hardly a bad dude at all

But that's just like, my opinion, man
 

kevinthedot

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Yeah, like now, when they haven't updated the blog in three or four days.
You, uh, do realize they don't update Friday or Saturday, right?
It does suck we didn't get the Today's Fighter post for Isabelle Thrusday as that would have put us back squarely on 8 fighters left, but we did at least still get 3 last week so there wasn't a further hit. She'll 100% be the post tonight.
Due to the direct being delayed, the count is at 7 possible reveals left now, but I'm still hopeful we'll get a 4 fighter week in the future putting us back to 8 so we can hit that big "80 Fighters!" number.
 

CHAMPIONX9

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Vergeben is now confirming that Incineroar is in the game.

I know there are some disbelievers out here, and you have that right not to believe him, but man, if he getd this right, these aren't guesses anymore.

Now, to be fair, I don't think he predicted K Rool, just that his one of sources said no DK reps, and he didn't believe it, so Shantae still may have a chance. But yeah, some news for you all.
Screenshooting this for future reference.
 

DeltaSceptile

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I still don't believe in Incineroar being the newcomer for pokemon. It wouldn't be hype enough to end the base game on.
 
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Sudz

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I know that both Incineroar and Ken are playable, all my sources said so, but all I know after that is that Square Enix has a rep, somehow. No idea who it might be tho, but it's definitely a Square Enix character. Sources said so. It is a waiting game. Please hit that DM if you got contradicting information, and as always, smash that MF LIKE BUTTON

Seems legit
 

DeltaSceptile

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Again, pretty sure Brawl ended on Toon Link
IMO that was the most hype reveal from that game (aside from Wolf and Pokemon Trainer), and I'm a Toon Link main (Unless Sceptile or Lycanroc are added) so I take offense to that.
 

zferolie

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Again, pretty sure Brawl ended on Toon Link, and 4 ended on Dark Pit and Duck Hunt.
Brawl ended on toon link wolf and rob. Smash 4 ended with dark pit and duck hunt.

Rob and duck hunt are retro nintendo classics. Ken and inceniroar are not. Plus this game doesnt habe a retro 1st part guy yet
 

grizby2

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I know many of us aren't all too keen on the idea on Incineroar being the New Pokemon, but I've been thinking, could it possibly help us? Now hear me out here: Our biggest competition, besides Steve, is Travis Touchdown. Suda51 has gone on record saying that if he were to be in Smash, Travis would primarily use wrestling moves because of an overabundance of swordfighters. Coincidentally, Incineroar is the wrestler Pokemon, so if Incineroar were to get in, Travis' chances would be hurt because he wouldn't be as unique, in terms of moveset. While Travis isn't gonna be in the base game, since Suda's statements would have broken an NDA, it'll help alleviate some of the competition assuming Shantae's still in the running for DLC. (Not going full-on pro-Incineroar or Anti-Travis, just thought i'd put my two cents in on what this could mean for Shantae.)



I know we're not supposed to talk about the Box Theory, but Leaky said that the number for the box theory's correct.
MACHAMP and Hawlucha will always be the better wrestler Pokemon for me. Incineroar can stay in a damn pokeball. I'm sure sakurai knows that having two fully evolved fire staters is the blandest idea ever.

Sorry, had to get that off my chest.
 

DeltaSceptile

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Brawl ended on toon link wolf and rob. Smash 4 ended with dark pit and duck hunt.

Rob and duck hunt are retro nintendo classics. Ken and inceniroar are not. Plus this game doesnt habe a retro 1st part guy yet
Then I guess it's time to prepare for Gengar or Cranky Kong.
 

Parallel_Falchion

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Everyone and their grandmother was predicting Simon, Ridley, and Isabelle.
This is some major hindsight bias. Vergeben was claiming Simon was in long before anyone else. Simon only got popular in speculation because of Vergeben. People were still skeptical of getting any Konami character at all, and if we did, it would have been just Snake returning. Vergeben claimed Simon was in before E3 and "Everyone is here" was revealed.

People had a bit more hope for Ridley but you still can't say "everyone and their grandmother" was predicting him after Sakurai has denounced the character twice throughout history. Vergeben didn't just say Ridley was in, he said Ridley would be revealed at E3. He was right.

Isabelle was a pretty common guess, but everyone was saying she'd be an echo of villager. Vergeben never technically stated either way, but he did imply she wouldn't be an echo fighter. This is the weakest point in his favor, but still in his favor.

After these his "sources" appeared to get a lot more sketchy, so while I believed him up to this point, I don't anymore. But he definitely had real information.
 
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KingofUSA85

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I just can't wait till Vergeben gets proven wrong. I am so sick of reading about this fraud. And for the record, I am not against Incineroar being in the game. I'm just tired of people acting like this fake leaker is the alpha and omega of the Smash community.
Not saying he's right but to be honest, He hasn't gotten anything wrong so far. You can argue that these were easy guesses all day long but at the end of the day he's been 100% correct. When it comes to Smash atleast.

But yeah, After Inkling and Daisy the choices of newcomers dropped off a cliff.
 

Shadowknight1

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I already argued about Verg for an hour now, so not repeating here. Just wanted to comment on the 'hype end'. Remember, 4 hype ended on Dark Pit and Duck Hunt. And DLC hype ended on Bayonetta. Pretty sure Brawl hype ended on Toon Link. So all the hype in Smash history have ended on disappointments so far.
Bayonetta a disappointment? Sorry, that was pretty darn hype for me. Not quite as big a shocker as Cloud, but who could be at this point?
 

KingofUSA85

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Vergeben could tell me that the sky was blue and I'd still have to look up to see if that was actually true. Vague and lucky guesses do not mean he's credible. Everyone and their grandmother was predicting Simon, Ridley, and Isabelle.

Incineror and Ken have got to be the two least hype characters Sakurai could pick and I don't think they have much of a following.
I'd like to point out that everyone was only predicting Simon, and Isabelle AFTER they were leaked by Vergeben. Especially isabelle who was barely mentioned before Vergeben leaked her.

Yeah, everyone and their dog was predicting them but BECAUSE VERGEBEN LEAKED THEM.
 

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Not saying he's right but to be honest, He hasn't gotten anything wrong so far. You can argue that these were easy guesses all day long but at the end of the day he's been 100% correct. When it comes to Smash atleast.
Yeah, but I was 100% correct too. And I'm NOT a leaker. So yeah, there's a pretty good chance more than one person could be 100% right with their guesses. Pretty much all of these have been easy guesses anyway, except Richter, which is the only thing I'll give him.
 

zferolie

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This verg news is tearing the whole ****ing smash community apart... kinda wish he kept his mouth shut or just outright say things. These vague stuff is killing everyone. Find out how many more base or just stop
 
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Shark X

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I'd like to point out that everyone was only predicting Simon, and Isabelle AFTER they were leaked by Vergeben. Especially isabelle who was barely mentioned before Vergeben leaked her.

Yeah, everyone and their dog was predicting them but BECAUSE VERGEBEN LEAKED THEM.
This isn't true at all. We knew Isabelle was in since 2014. And I never even heard of Verg until after people talked about how he was right about Richter. As I said earlier, everyone were easy guesses, while Simon was a coin toss, but a coin toss on heads. But still, I guessed Simon before ever hearing about this Verg person.
 

DeltaSceptile

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K. Rool is the most hype. I don't think there is a single character that could make me more hype. Ugh.
The only thing that would hype me up more would be if we got both Shantae and Sceptile, but that isn't something I see happening (unfortunately).
 

KingofUSA85

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This isn't true at all. We knew Isabelle was in since 2014. And I never even heard of Verg until after people talked about how he was right about Richter. As I said earlier, everyone were easy guesses, while Simon was a coin toss, but a coin toss on heads. But still, I guessed Simon before ever hearing about this Verg person.
Well, Perhaps you did but certainly not "Everyone and their dog."
The only obvious pick so far was Ken. Since he was an Echo fighter of Ryu in his own game! Unlike most other echoes who were shoehorned as one.

EDIT: Dang it. I'm sorry again for the Double post.
 
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This verg news is tearing the whole ****ing smash community apart... kinda wish he kept his mouth shut or just outright say things. These vague stuff is killing everyone. Find out how many more base or just stop
This is why I only really entertain "Leaks" that have some tangible proof. Example is the box theory, I can look at the box and understand that it is a possibility,
Text only leaks can just be really smart/lucky guesses, Unless the "Leaker" is able to produce some semblance of proof, text only leaks should largely be ignored.
 

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Bayonetta a disappointment? Sorry, that was pretty darn hype for me. Not quite as big a shocker as Cloud, but who could be at this point?
When we're talking reveals building up to release, post-release reveals shouldn't really count.
Random question: What's your favorite of the side-stories/costume modes in Half-Genie Hero?
Friends to the End for letting play as three major supporting members of the series and fleshing them out, even if some of the levels get nerve-racking at times. Runner-up is Jammies for it's teases and the catharsis of destroying everything with highly damaging sheep.

Officer gets an honourable mention for getting me into Mighty Switch Force, though it ultimately is just a taste of what the latter offers.
 

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The final pre game reveals in Brawl and 4 were Olimar and Shulk, both niche series.

Could be a good thing for Shantae...
 

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How 99% of text leaks are:

"I know that x will happen"

"How do you know?"

 
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Well, Perhaps you did but certainly not "Everyone and their dog."
The only obvious pick so far was Ken. Since he was an Echo fighter of Ryu in his own game! Unlike most other echoes who were shoehorned as one.

EDIT: Dang it. I'm sorry again for the Double post.
Man I wish dylly was here it reminds me of him:(
 

kevinthedot

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....Shantae
Honestly, everything Shantae haters say about Shantae actually applied to Bayonetta except for the indie argument.
Back when the ballot was happening, every time I said I voted for Bayonetta the responses were
She's too lewd for Smash
She's not popular enough for Smash
She's not as good as [insert other ballot choice]
But now Bayonetta's in the game and she's great. The only thing separating them is that Shantae is an indie, but Sakurai has kicked that barrier down a bit since he made Shovel Knight an assist trophy.
 

DeltaSceptile

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But now Bayonetta's in the game and she's great. The only thing separating them is that Shantae is an indie, but Sakurai has kicked that barrier down a bit since he made Shovel Knight an assist trophy.
No she's not, she's literally broken as hell and too high of a tier for anyone who didn't main Diddy Kong to compete with. Yet still Sakurai refuses to nerf her for some unknown reason.
 

KingofUSA85

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Honestly, everything Shantae haters say about Shantae actually applied to Bayonetta except for the indie argument.
Back when the ballot was happening, every time I said I voted for Bayonetta the responses were

But now Bayonetta's in the game and she's great. The only thing separating them is that Shantae is an indie, but Sakurai has kicked that barrier down a bit since he made Shovel Knight an assist trophy.
I agree. But unfortunatly, except for Richter most of Sakurai's picks so far have been Uber Safe ones(albeit Inkling has only been considered a Safe pick until recently). But then again as someone said earlier the Last characters announced for a Smash game tend to be unsafe ones like Olimar, and Shulk and Bayonetta.
 
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