Shadow Games Mafia Over: Dgames Doomed

[FullMetalLynch]

I didn't make a logic jump. Dietz confirmed he received our ability which means we shot at gheb. He's not dead meaning some ****s up

 

[#HBC | Kary]

1. Maven
2. Full Metal Lynch [3] - Sherlock, Kary, Jexs
3. Zalak
4. Gorf
5. Adumbrodeus
6. Kary
7. Detective Sherlock Hound
8. Jexs [1] - Maven
9. JaytheUnseen [1] - Zalak
10. Gheb [3] - Adumbrodeus, FML, Kantrip
11. Kantrip

Not Voting: Gorf, JaytheUnseen, Gheb

These competing waggons are very interesting.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

@ FullMetalLynch

Him and gheb are heart like ked. I dunno why orbo voted maven. I told him we were hunting gheb diwn after the **** failed. Idk about a scum bp but it coukd be a thing. Gheb was our choice cause I didn't like how he treated maven and I thought the slit reeked and needed to be gone. It should have happened as a lynxh but I was willing to risk it especially since it's gheb. He was the only person worthy of being shot

 

[Kantrip]

I didn't make a logic jump. Dietz confirmed he received our ability which means we shot at gheb. He's not dead meaning some ****s up

So Gheb being jailed didn't occur to you?
You being roleblocked didn't occur to you?
Gheb being a self-protective role didn't occur to you?
Your action being redirected didn't occur to you?
Some role interaction you can't account for didn't occur to you?

You decided to jump to the conclusion that... what exactly? Gheb is mafia because your shot failed? Meaning mafia has a doctor and they protected Gheb? Or Gheb is an indy with a one-shot BP? What exactly was your thought process that lead you to "Gheb is scum" after your shot failed?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Like, did you even consider that maybe you got roleblocked? Idk who would want to RB you, but that seems more likely to me than a scum BP.

Who would role block me of all people n1

 

[Kantrip]

The issue here isn't that you think Gheb is scum, but that your shot at him failing helped you reach that conclusion. That is a logical leap because it discounts so many possibilities in order to "explain" what happened.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

So Gheb being jailed didn't occur to you?
You being roleblocked didn't occur to you?
Gheb being a self-protective role didn't occur to you?
Your action being redirected didn't occur to you?
Some role interaction you can't account for didn't occur to you?

You decided to jump to the conclusion that... what exactly? Gheb is mafia because your shot failed? Meaning mafia has a doctor and they protected Gheb? Or Gheb is an indy with a one-shot BP? What exactly was your thought process that lead you to "Gheb is scum" after your shot failed?

Him being alive. He said himself he's just a neighbor meaning no self protect.

If it got redirected who did it hit ? More than one person would have died. Stop being dumb. Role interaction didn't occur because Gheb's slot was already scummy to me. His survival was the final sign to me that whzt he was saying was bull

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Who would role block me of all people n1

I said it was more likely than a scum BP. I stand by that.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

The issue here isn't that you think Gheb is scum, but that your shot at him failing helped you reach that conclusion. That is a logical leap because it discounts so many possibilities in order to "explain" what happened.

I keep saying g it was the culmination of feelings I already had at the end of d1. Gheb white Knighton maven was strike one. Him asserting we tried to lynch soup when we very clearly didn't was two and when we shot him and it failed I decided that it was a condemnation on ghrb because the only info I have is that my action was received and gheb wasn't dead. Throw all the conjecture out you like about other possibilities but at the time it was enough to Mr yo want gheb gone

 

[Zalak]

@ Zalak what's your vote doing on Jay?

jay has been nothing but scummy idk

 

[Kantrip]

Him being alive. He said himself he's just a neighbor meaning no self protect.

Mind finding a quote for this, because I remember gheb and maven specifically refusing to answer whether or not they have any more abilities when JeXs asked.

If it got redirected who did it hit ? More than one person would have died. Stop being dumb.

Perhaps it hit someone who got protected? Jailed? Is a self protector of some sort? Maybe it doubled up onto soup? There are plenty of possibilities.

Role interaction didn't occur because Gheb's slot was already scummy to me. His survival was the final sign to me that whzt he was saying was bull

Yeah, I agree Gheb is scummy as **** and needs to die. But on no planet should an attempt to vig him failing reinforce that.

What is your theory for what prevented your kill? Scum doctor? Gheb is scum BP? Something else? I see lots of ways the kill could've been messed up, and none of them depend on Gheb being scum.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Him and gheb are heart like ked. I dunno why orbo voted maven. I told him we were hunting gheb diwn after the **** failed. Idk about a scum bp but it coukd be a thing. Gheb was our choice cause I didn't like how he treated maven and I thought the slit reeked and needed to be gone. It should have happened as a lynxh but I was willing to risk it especially since it's gheb. He was the only person worthy of being shot

i want to know why you claimed when you did.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

I said it was more likely than a scum BP. I stand by that.

So let's lynch gheb then. You can't honestly think that I would pull a gambit like this on gheb of all people for a reaction and if you do you severely lack intelligence.

I shot at gheb. The action was received. He's not dead. That was enough for me along with the stuff I just a dressed to kantrip.

 

[Kantrip]

jay has been nothing

ftfy

he's been completely absent, has been prodded, and the mod wants him replaced. Your vote is the epitome of useless right now

 

[Kantrip]

I keep saying g it was the culmination of feelings I already had at the end of d1. Gheb white Knighton maven was strike one. Him asserting we tried to lynch soup when we very clearly didn't was two and when we shot him and it failed I decided that it was a condemnation on ghrb because the only info I have is that my action was received and gheb wasn't dead. Throw all the conjecture out you like about other possibilities but at the time it was enough to Mr yo want gheb gone

See one and two are solid and I have no problems with them, but you have yet to convince me that your logic leap on your vig action is in any way justifiable.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

i want to know why you claimed when you did.

Just tired of the run around I was getting really. Plus somehow people letting gheb continue to protect and dance around maven without commitment to a town reaf plus the fact he keeps trying to say totally innacurate things like us trying to lynch soup. Flat out incorrect and so clearly hasn't read.

Moreso I deemed the information highly relevant and worth revealing g cause hiding it really means we wasted a vig for n9 gain. We gained posts and insight and all thus now so I'd call the shot almost worth. Once Gheb's lynched it'll be worth putting our NE k on the line

 

[#HBC | Kary]

So let's lynch gheb then. You can't honestly think that I would pull a gambit like this on gheb of all people for a reaction and if you do you severely lack intelligence.

I never thought you did this for reactions. I haven't ruled out a scum gambit.

 

[Kantrip]

I never thought you did this for reactions. I haven't ruled out a scum gambit.

Walk me through the motivation of this as a scum gambit. Is it to get Gheb mislynched? Is it to distance from Gheb as scum mates? Why do it?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

See one and two are solid and I have no problems with them, but you have yet to convince me that your logic leap on your vig action is in any way justifiable.

I'm not trying to make it justifiable. I made a leap in my thought process to gheb being scum from it. This is me leveling with you. I made the choice to reveal the information and get people talking and I made the choice to call gheb out on it because it was justified to me. I'm not sure what you want me to justify or hiw you expect me to do that because you saying my leap was unjustified is totally non counterable. Your basically saying it's unfair fir me to have made that leap and I'm telling you I dint think it was. There's already more than enough evidence on my mind and you even agree his other actions are scummy. To me that fact the action failed meant gheb must have been hiding something. That was my first thought that he hid a aspect of his role because he was scum. Just like maven hides his flavour claim for no reason

 

[FullMetalLynch]

I never thought you did this for reactions. I haven't ruled out a scum gambit.

Why would I do this as scum. I was in literally no danger and neither objectively was gheb.what in your mind could my possible motivation be other than some sick twisted world where I put myself through this circus just to get credit for gheb flipping scum

 

[FullMetalLynch]

If you think I'd have the gall or even the inclination to try that as scum after being gone a year and add to that that orbo would somehow let me do something so clearly mental. You don't k iw me orbo or our style as scum

 

[Kantrip]

I'm not trying to make it justifiable. I made a leap in my thought process to gheb being scum from it. This is me leveling with you. I made the choice to reveal the information and get people talking and I made the choice to call gheb out on it because it was justified to me. I'm not sure what you want me to justify or hiw you expect me to do that because you saying my leap was unjustified is totally non counterable. Your basically saying it's unfair fir me to have made that leap and I'm telling you I dint think it was. There's already more than enough evidence on my mind and you even agree his other actions are scummy. To me that fact the action failed meant gheb must have been hiding something. That was my first thought that he hid a aspect of his role because he was scum. Just like maven hides his flavour claim for no reason

It was a really stupid decision with the potential to out town protective/roleblocking roles and you are getting wagoned for it. It was objectively a bad play and I hope you realize you're not supposed to counter what I'm saying, but concede that you made a mistake if you can't explain what you were thinking. If you were thinking that it made Gheb scum and now Kary and I are helping you realize you were wrong on that front you should just say that because you're looking worse by sticking to this.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

And if you think it's to ml gheb then your vastly shallow as he's done a good enough job that people didn't like him. As scum I'd know I coukd fuel that fire safely and once people started voting gheb would sink himself just like he did in whatever last gane I played as scum where gheb claimed like some sort 9 pr to do with lunches and git himself lynched

 

[Kantrip]

Stop the self-meta WIFOM. You acted on your own as evidenced by Orbo not knowing what you were thinking so he didn't have to "let" you do anything. If you care at all about lynching Gheb I suggest you admit that you pulled a stupid and try to work with points that actually show how Gheb is scummy

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Why would I do this as scum. I was in literally no danger and neither objectively was gheb.what in your mind could my possible motivation be other than some sick twisted world where I put myself through this circus just to get credit for gheb flipping scum

People by this claim, you're clear in their eyes. You don't even have to prove anything. Pretty nice.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Kantrip I thought you wanted Gheb first, why are you going so hard on this dude.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

EBWOP:

People BUY this claim, you're clear in their eyes. You don't even have to prove anything. Pretty nice.

 

[Kantrip]

Kantrip I thought you wanted Gheb first, why are you going so hard on this dude.

I'm frustrated with his inability to just say "I was wrong." This doesn't even have a bearing on his alignment it's just frustrating how stubborn he's being when he's made it clear he doesn't have an answer here.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

It was a really stupid decision with the potential to out town protective/roleblocking roles and you are getting wagoned for it. It was objectively a bad play and I hope you realize you're not supposed to counter what I'm saying, but concede that you made a mistake if you can't explain what you were thinking. If you were thinking that it made Gheb scum and now Kary and I are helping you realize you were wrong on that front you should just say that because you're looking worse by sticking to this.

But your not saying I'm all wrong on gheb. You agree he's dine scummy things. He us in fact scummy. Did I make a mistake to out ir? Maybe. But the only thing I've revealed is myself. If town role blocking or protective roles were involved that's my b. But no protective should have been on gheb last night unless they are literally the worst. And the only danger to a town rb is scum knowledge that it exists. So I'm sorry for that if it does or if it was involved but I still wanna lynxh gheb and if he flips scum then I'm calling it worth.

 

[Kantrip]

But your not saying I'm all wrong on gheb. You agree he's dine scummy things. He us in fact scummy. Did I make a mistake to out ir? Maybe. But the only thing I've revealed is myself. If town role blocking or protective roles were involved that's my b. But no protective should have been on gheb last night unless they are literally the worst. And the only danger to a town rb is scum knowledge that it exists. So I'm sorry for that if it does or if it was involved but I still wanna lynxh gheb and if he flips scum then I'm calling it worth.

Yeah that's my issue, that claiming when you did was not smart and didn't help towards the goal of lynching Gheb at all. On the contrary, it actually distracted from it.

@ #HBC | Kary could you get at my question?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

I'm not sor

I'm frustrated with his inability to just say "I was wrong." This doesn't even have a bearing on his alignment it's just frustrating how stubborn he's being when he's made it clear he doesn't have an answer here.

I was wrong to handle it the way I did but I don't think k my conclusion that gheb is scummy overall and thst him living certainly doesn't help and on my eyes condemns him moreso makes him scum us wrong. I'll admit the instant jump I made was foolish and possibly wrong to not think over more but I think lynching gheb will be vindication for my hasty actions

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Yeah that's my issue, that claiming when you did was not smart and didn't help towards the goal of lynching Gheb at all. On the contrary, it actually distracted from it.

@ #HBC | Kary could you get at my question?

I thought it would help. I thought the information was worth spreading and I knew how ot made me feel and I felt that I could convey ir. I'm sorry I wasn't here earlier to explain but it's been a **** week. Including me having to do all this by phone as I rip my door off its hinges

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Walk me through the motivation of this as a scum gambit. Is it to get Gheb mislynched? Is it to distance from Gheb as scum mates? Why do it?

V V V V V V V V

People BUY this claim, you're clear in their eyes. You don't even have to prove anything. Pretty nice.

 

[Kantrip]

V V V V V V V V

So you're worried about scum potentially having people buy a claim of

"I'm a one-shot vig but my shot failed."

Seriously? That is not an issue if the move was a scum gambit, lol

 

[Kantrip]

I stand by my belief that the only scum gambit that would make sense to me is if Gheb and FML are mates and FML wants to look good on Gheb's scumflip. If you can't think of one that makes more sense, you should probably vote Gheb.

@ Zalak this means you too since as I've said your vote is useless on jay

We should be ready in case some deadline shenanigans happen again

 

[adumbrodeus]

Well. I'll admit I didn't realize Kary had made that post and thought he only asked twice for flavour.

I still think his intent was clear when he asked the first two times and find it hard to believe you would go at him like you did without noticing the instances where he specified flavour, but knowing he also said full role name I suppose it's possible

Well actually the response was this one

Yeah. You're a claimed neighbour.

Your flavor is 'lonely kid in the corner with no-one to talk to' - I call bull****.

Do you seriously think that scum have some role that gets more powerful by knowing the name of your role? Or are you just being difficult here for the ****ing sake of it?

And me quoting it was where this conversation started. I misunderstood the context, didn't realize it was intended as a rephrase of the earlier question for flavor, likely because I was going back and forth through the thread since it was part of my catchup post. This was actually the second time he said it.

See, here's the thing that strikes me as odd, you forgot my admission of error, even though it quoted you.

You apparently weren't aware that kary asked for role name twice.

You apparently weren't aware that the post I quoted to start this discussion said role name, even though it was linked to post you initially responded to via quote arrows.


All of which is understandable in and of itself.

However when you're using it to make a scumcase based on somebody misrepresenting somebody else, even after they acknowledged the misrepresentation as a misread, then it's hypocritical.

When you're you're shown that your case is hypocritical and you still find it hard to believe they just made a mistake says your intent wasn't to scumhunt, it was just to create a lynch on whoever was available.

Which makes me ask a question, "why are you still alive?"

Vote: Kantrip

 

[adumbrodeus]

V V V V V V V V

Gambiting for a clear makes no sense when he wasn't under any significant threat. All he did was draw attention to himself.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Can y'all just let FML respond, for ****'s sake. Everyone wants to put their **** in the cake today.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Can y'all just let FML respond, for ****'s sake. Everyone wants to put their **** in the cake today.

Would you prefer I quoted him instead?

Why would I do this as scum. I was in literally no danger and neither objectively was gheb.what in your mind could my possible motivation be other than some sick twisted world where I put myself through this circus just to get credit for gheb flipping scum

FML already answered that objection and he's he's positively bleeding townyness right now. As he said, he was in no danger and neither was gheb, it made no sense to gambit for a clear at that point as scum.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I would prefer if you could refrain from sticking your **** in my CAKE