SH tipped Bair>opponent trips>dolphin slash combo :D and more variations

[Zeallyx]

(The Bair must be performed so one doesn't endure landing lag)
the opponent is still in their 'oh I tripped' animation when the dolphin slash hits

captain falcon's SH flubbed knee>opponent trips>Utilt is an inescapable combo (tested on human player)
so this is too, as falcon's Utilt is slower than marth's dolphin slash (and even if it isn't, falcon needs to land to Utilt, marth can use the dolphin slash in the same jump as the Bair)


SH tipped Bair>opponent trips>Fair
and
SH tipped Bair opponent>trips>DB1 should also work, but I haven't tested this yet.
maybe even SH tipped Bair>opponent trips>Dtilt/Ftilt/Utilt/neutral a..
*goes testing*
I'll post the results here as soon as I have them

Edit:
the following are real combo's as far as I tested:
SH tipped bair>opponent trips>Utilt
SH tipped bair>opponent trips>DB1
SH tipped Bair>opponent trips>Fair (Fair used in the same jump as the tipped Bair)
SH tipped bair>opponent trips>Dtilt
SH tipped bair>opponent trips>Ftilt (not completely sure about this one, but it seems to work as far as I tested)
SH tipped bair>opponent trips>neutral a

 

[magikguy]

will they always trip.?

 

[Zeallyx]

will they always trip.?

unfortunatly no
it's random I guess, may have something to do with where you hit them

 

[Steel]

If you really want them to trip then just fair > dancing blade, much safer and more damage.

/thread

 

[Zeallyx]

If you really want them to trip then just fair > dancing blade, much safer and more damage.

/thread

more options = better

 

[AzNsAnTaGiN]

I was under the impression that Bair does not autocancel. I suppose I'm mistaken?

 

[magikguy]

bair doesnt autocancel.

 

[Zeallyx]

I was under the impression that Bair does not autocancel. I suppose I'm mistaken?

if you finish the move in the air, one will not endure landing lag (if you SH and Bair immediatly, the move will finish somewhere near the end of the jump, before you land)

 

[Megavitamins]

Bair autocancels... Btw how often does tip bair trip? I rarely do it so I wouldnt know.

 

[feardragon64]

Bair autocancels... Btw how often does tip bair trip? I rarely do it so I wouldnt know.

It, in fact, does not auto-cancel. It will never auto-cancel. Same as dair.

 

[Hype]

The term auto cancel seems to meen two different things on smashboards. Some people are under the impression that it means your move has no landing lag, some that the entire animation is completed in the air.

 

[VietGeek]

Well if it's the latter than all aerials have the potential to autocancel now wouldn't they?

 

[Zeallyx]

The term auto cancel seems to meen two different things on smashboards. Some people are under the impression that it means your move has no landing lag, some that the entire animation is completed in the air.

I know there are two ways of interpetating it, and i understand you guys might mean something else with it so:

Bair does not autocancel in a way that when you land in the middle of the move, the lag will be taken away. (like with Fair)
it 'autocancels' in a way that when one finishes the move in the air, one doesn't experience landing lag.

I edited the OP to avoid further misunderstandings

I understand the way I interpetate it, may be the wrong way, but at the falcon boards, AC Dair is an unerstanding and with this we mean finishing the move in the air

sorry for the misunderstanding

Well if it's the latter than all aerials have the potential to autocancel now wouldn't they?

no, not neccisarily, as not all moves have enough time to finish in a SH

 

[Hype]

Yes and no. they way it is said is "your Bair can auto cancel in a SH"

 

[takeurlife2]

i can combo falcon's knee into dsmash by this definition...

what a wasted thread

normally im not this critical, but really...

 

[Zeallyx]

i can combo falcon's knee into dsmash by this definition...

what a wasted thread

normally im not this critical, but really...

no you can't


and this is not a wasted thread, I explained everything, so just read what I said and you should understand

 

[Punishment Divine]

This is kind of pointless

Assuming your opponent trips they could probably react in time, unless you magically assumed they would trip. And then there's the actual landing of an onstage tip bair which is so easily telegraphed...

Thanks for trying, but I doubt this would ever, ever actually happen

 

[Pierce7d]

A) Fair has a greater chance of tripping, and actually combos with stuff whether or not you trip your opponent.

B) Bair doesn't auto-cancel. You are trying to say that you need to use the Bair early enough so it finishes in the air.

Anyway, for the record, relying on Bair to trip to combo is stupid. If you want to combo, learn to use Uair, as it combos into your entire moveset except shield-breaker and counter (and I suppose lighter characters can get out of Dsmash even at 0)

 

[ZHMT]

Why not just play dependent on what you SEE. If you hit a bair and they happen to trip...go ahead, combo off it. But dont rely on stuff when there is a far better method of accomplishing something even better. Thats what were trying to say.

Fair combos into stuff pretty much everytime, and like Pierce7d said uair is a great move to combo off of. At low percents it creates enough stun to get another uair or nair off.

 

[Megavitamins]

Wtf bair autocancels... Its not even difficult. Do this, with tap jump on.

hit up on analog stick then the opp. direction marth is facing on the c-stick at the same time. The bair will come out as soon as possible, and it auto cancels.

Marth can actually sh bair then have the fair's hit box comes out. Im surprised people think it doesnt o_O

 

[VietGeek]

Your definition of autocancel isn't quite what is generally accepted as a true autocancel.

A true autocancel is like MK's fair. if you don't finish the whole move animation in the air, you'd think he'll lag, but he doesn't as the move autocancels one he touches the ground, meaning there would be less lag than otherwise.

What you're saying is just finishing the move in the air. I don't know who started it, but I know that was the 'alternate definition' to autocancel, but is technically incorrect. I mean we know what you're talking about, but the terminology isn't being used right.

Like using blatantly to mean obvious is common, but technically incorrect. =\

Now this SH Bair to fair is...eh, too risky. You'd have to be almost frame perfect and have bad spacing as the tip doesn't even appear yet, just the initial hitbox.

So like wtf man, chill. It's not even difficult. ^_^

 

[Zeallyx]

Your definition of autocancel isn't quite what is generally accepted as a true autocancel.

A true autocancel is like MK's fair. if you don't finish the whole move animation in the air, you'd think he'll lag, but he doesn't as the move autocancels one he touches the ground, meaning there would be less lag than otherwise.

What you're saying is just finishing the move in the air. I don't know who started it, but I know that was the 'alternate definition' to autocancel, but is technically incorrect. I mean we know what you're talking about, but the terminology isn't being used right.

Like using blatantly to mean obvious is common, but technically incorrect. =\

Now this SH Bair to fair is...eh, too risky. You'd have to be almost frame perfect and have bad spacing as the tip doesn't even appear yet, just the initial hitbox.

So like wtf man, chill. It's not even difficult. ^_^

are you telling me to chill? if so I don't understand why

anyway, I already explained what I mean and admitted my defenition is incorrect

 

[VietGeek]

I'm telling MintyFlesh over there. You're fine...for now.

Seriously as elitist as this board is, I thought cool people hung out here? That's why I've been trying to fit in for 9 months.

 

[Zeallyx]

I'm telling MintyFlesh over there. You're fine...for now.

Seriously as elitist as this board is, I thought cool people hung out here? That's why I've been trying to fit in for 9 months.

how do you mean 'for now' XD

anyway, tales of vesperia is going to be awesome

 

[Megavitamins]

Your definition of autocancel isn't quite what is generally accepted as a true autocancel.

A true autocancel is like MK's fair. if you don't finish the whole move animation in the air, you'd think he'll lag, but he doesn't as the move autocancels one he touches the ground, meaning there would be less lag than otherwise.

What you're saying is just finishing the move in the air. I don't know who started it, but I know that was the 'alternate definition' to autocancel, but is technically incorrect. I mean we know what you're talking about, but the terminology isn't being used right.

Like using blatantly to mean obvious is common, but technically incorrect. =\

Now this SH Bair to fair is...eh, too risky. You'd have to be almost frame perfect and have bad spacing as the tip doesn't even appear yet, just the initial hitbox.

So like wtf man, chill. It's not even difficult. ^_^

Umm... I thought auto cancel meant the attack finished in a SH in air o_O, when did that change xD. Kay, sorry for me not knowing I guess lol. Neway, sh bair -> fair was just an example, and not trying to get off topic but sh bair -> fair is good imo. Its useful OOS if you're opponent is on the opp. side of your shield, and its really not hard to do technically. Oh yeah, thanks for calling me MintyFlesh xD. Btw dont be rude with "its not even difficult", I only said it because short hopping bair to have it end in the air is not tecnically challenging lol.