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Yup. Same thing with teching or failed tech hurtboxes or general landing lag (I guess). Also Lylat's side platforms are super easy if the tilting is in your favor. Too bad for Dreamland though.
Yes. When the opportunity appears, I use DS offstage to close out a match, provided I have a stock above someone.
The vibrating sword was the best.
Oh my god, I remember finding this channel when that video came out. I even subscribed to it, how didn't I get any of the videos that came since then lol
It works better than you'd imagine, especially cause it can end a stock quickly outside of a tipper smash/SB and a lot of opponents won't expect it. I do find that at certain percentages though a tipper Fair will have too much knockback for a follow up (be it your second Fair, or DS). The nice thing about that though is a tipper on the second Fair will either be enough to gimp most of the cast, or just straight up kill. Either way, perhaps surprisingly enough this "combo" could be more reliant on Marth's sourspots (which might be why I could never pull it off with Lucina...).
Have you done this? http://i.imgur.com/DPbbRtt.png
Yeah the second Fair can usually gimp but if you're using your double jump for a second Fair while still traveling away from the stage, you gimped yourself... so you might as well try to get DS for good measure/style.
Very true. The string is really high risk, but also really high reward (and stylish) since no matter what you'll be losing a stock if you commit to it. So unless you're confident with your timing, it should only be done if you're up a stock.
Yes! I do this all the time. It actually true combos (into the sweetspot) at certain percents. You have to hit with the upper part of fair so that you are close enough after the hit. It kills damn early. With Lucina it starts true comboing around 40%, if you get them near the ledge, falling uair > fair > up b can true combo and kill. You can only make it back to the stage if you tap back quickly while doing DS so that it moves you back slightly while rising up. I'd assume it works with marth too although you would obviously have to adjust percentages with tippers/sourspots.
I can't imagine this being a true combo. Fair to Fair barely works (and only if you hit on frame 8 then frame 6 for the next Fair). If DS has such crappy range then Fair can't much knockback (KB = hitstun) for DS to be able to reach. Yes, DS is frame 5 but I don't think that makes a big difference. If it's true then it's an extremely small window. I'll check it out when I get a chance.
http://youtu.be/-8O1Ib-bsFM
Last video was cool. Yeah no doubt it's easy combo into a weak hit of DS but if you want the sweetspot it's very inconsistent. The video didn't prove otherwise.
Absolutely do not challenge the eggs. Sit in shield and find an opening. Keep him out. Don't get within his range of Jab or Usmash or his combo breaker/approaching Nair. Don't get in the air often. Marth isn't safe there and you have no reason to chase Yoshi. Try to get him offstage and use high knockback attacks to break through his double jump armor. He's really hard to kill on stage so it's really beneficial that you gimp him. Remember that his Fair extends his hurtbox a huge amount. When getting up from the ledge, don't do a normal getup because any good Yoshi will B-reverse command grab that and you'll fall and die as an egg (but if this does happen to you START MASHING but only by rotating the control stick fast so you don't SD when you get out). But overall remember that Yoshi is weak against shields with no easy way to grab or benefit from it where his main kill move is jab > smash attack at kill percents. If you do get grabbed a good Yoshi will go for grab release to jab.
Also is a character that can't kill a shielder. Again, get him offstage and try to read his recovery and ledge choices. Fox is light and since he falls fast our combos (and juggles!) work great on him plus fast fallers die off the side easier. Also again, stay on the ground! Anytime you jump Fox will rush in and punish your landing with his frame 4 combo starter dash attack. Fox is really hard but play the same game you would against Falcon because they are both rushdown except with Fox you aren't afraid of shielding. If he uses Firefox for recovery usually the best thing to do is counter (or you can spike if he's going straight up).
Well the video didn't disprove it...the only times he didn't get the sweetspot was when he was using nair and sometimes bair......not fair. Like I mentioned earlier, if you want the sweetspot your best bet is to hit with the upper swing of fair, either that or position yourself using jump properly. Besides my point was that it can true combo into the sweetspot (from my experience quite reliably), I was replying specifically to this lol
Sakurai angle aerials hit at a 45 degree angle (but it seems lower due to gravity) so hitting with the beginning of Fair to get DS probably means you have to double jump into DS. Correct?
Idk man
, im just speaking from my own experience and from what I've seen, maybe its a DI thing (although I doubt people would DI down). I don't double jump after hitting with the upper swing of fair. Whenever I hit with the end of fair it knocks them too far away to get the sweetspot or even the DS at all.
It doesn't make sense to think of it that way. Frame 8 and frame 6 are the same "amount of" in front of Marth. A 45 degree knockback angle is a 45 knockback angle no matter where the Fair hits. I thought of a different way this works for you. This works for you because you are rising with your Fair to hit them (using one of your jumps). That is how DS is still in range.Idk man
Maybe think of it this way.....
-Hitting with the upper swing positions hits them while they are directly above you. The hit would send them forward and I guess gravity/weight would drag them down into a perfect postion for your DS.
-Hitting with the ending parts of the swing would mean hitting in the front. This positions them directly in front of you and only sends them out further.
Maybe this would be easier with Marth's sourspots, perhaps you could use the front swing too due to his lower knocback. (I've only done this with Lucina)
Editied my post. The sourspot is easier because you are closer to them when Fair hitsHmmm that makes more sense
Excuse me if I say something stupid, like I said it's 4am here.
You are thinking of it in a weird way. Just know that frame 6 is above, frame 7 is in front, frame 8 is below and that's that (and all 3 have inner hitboxes for up-close). It's better to hit at a later frame. It's like this: if i hit on frame 6, I wait for the end lag, then use use DS where the sweepspot hits on frames 5-6 (we'll say 5). If I hit on frame 8, we are closer to the ending of Fair. It's AS IF DS hits on frame 3.
Diss on my diagram and I will kill you...
Lol at the diagram. Beautiful sword trail. But anyway, that's your diagram. Who knows what happens in a real match. You might be almost done rising. They might be so deep inside of you it won't matter which frame it hits. They might DI weird. They might even be vectoring some direction. And there's the fact that every character will be launched differently. There is no point in discussing it this far. All we have are facts.
Ty, I worked hard on it xD.
Lol to picking a college based on the smash scene. I wish I had done that. No joke.
Unfortunately, I didn't start thinking about smash scenes until I was already in college.
I know the factor that made the final decision between my last few picks was if their band was any good or not. I'm not a music major, but I didn't want to play in a booty-tier band.
Marth and Lucina received the same 5 shield HP Shield Breaker nerf last patch. You should now only go for a shield break when you have already significantly damaged a shield. At full shield HP you almost need it fully charged to break a shield (not exaggerating). If there's 42 shield HP and SB now does damage + 25 (instead of +30), think about how much damage you have to charge SB to to break a full shield.
