Sega, I think it's time you made a comeback

[finalark]

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Sega, when I was little kid my parents bought me your first system for Christmas, and **** did I love that Genesis. My apologizes for never really looking into the Sega Saturn, and I was really close to buying your unappreciated masterwork of a console, the Dreamcast. And now I truthfully regret it, because now we have ignorant fools on the net who hate on it the same way the ignorantly hate on the PS3. These days you're a shadow of your former self, making games based off of movies and such. But if you really wanted to, I think you could make a huge come back when the next generation rolls around. I'm no expert, but here are my suggestions:

Finish up whatever games you are currently developing, then start slowing down the number of games and start looking at what everyone else is doing, and start making a new system. The Dreamcast was ahead of its time, I'm sure if you did your best you could do that just once more for next gen. After all, the Dreamcast has started to gain a cult following of sorts lately.

Sonic Team... hmmm.... yeah.... you're going to have to do something about these guys. You should probably fire or reassign everyone on Sonic Team and start finding some new talent for the Team. Preferably, people who know what was so awesome about Sonic before he went down hill and start up a Sonic reboot as an exclusive for your new system. If not a full reboot, you could kind of do a half-reboot and make Sonic Adventure 3, calling everything after Sonic Adventure 2 non-cannon.

Next up, you should start building a strong library for your system. Perhaps you could take another shot at reviving Golden Axe, or how about another NiGHTS title? And after that, start really brain storming what new franchises you can bring out in addition to bringing back your old ones. Try to shoot for something for every genre, RPG, shooter, you name it, in order to broaden your fan base.

Sega, I would love to see you return to your state as a triumphant giant of the gaming world. Crushing Nintendo's silly little casual market, Microsoft's frat-boy fan base, and Sony's... awesome machine. I think that if you really tired, you could do this.

 

[Omnicron's Baklava Enterprises]

Sonic Team... hmmm.... yeah.... you're going to have to do something about these guys. You should probably fire or reassign everyone on Sonic Team and start finding some new talent for the Team. Preferably, people who know what was so awesome about Sonic before he went down hill and start up a Sonic reboot as an exclusive for your new system. If not a full reboot, you could kind of do a half-reboot and make Sonic Adventure 3, calling everything after Sonic Adventure 2 non-cannon.

Personally, I think that the Sonic franchise is losing ideas... I mean really now, a speedy hedgehog wielding a sword? Mon Dieu, think of something a little better, Sega.

I remember my Genesis, oh how I loved Ecco, the older Sonics, Phantasy Star, Golden Axe, and Shinobi.

Next up, you should start building a strong library for your system. Perhaps you could take another shot at reviving Golden Axe

Yes, I would like to see Golden Axe return, along with a few other Genesis games.

/10Phantasystars

 

[Red Arremer]

Golden Axe did make a return, Golden Axe: Beast Riders for the Xbox 360/PS3.

In any case.

I've summed up quite a big chunk of why Sega can't make a proper comeback in my Sonic blog long time ago.

Sega has made so many awesome series and games since the Dreamcast bombed, but only Sonic sells. So they are forced to throw out one or two Sonic games a year in order to keep having an income and make good games that then don't sell anyway. And since noone buys those games, they have to milk Sonic again.

 

[Lord Viper]

☆ Well, at least Sega made Puyo Puyo enjoyable to play, though since it's a Japanese title only, the only way is to import Puyo Puyo. )= ☆

 

[~TBS~]

actually, Sonic team is making a doing something. Right now, a new Sonic game is being made from the ground up. A 2D Sonic game, like the old Genesis ones. Its called Project Needlemouse atm, and will return Sonic to his roots. We will see if they can pull it off, but i believe they can do it this time. Its coming out in 2010 sometime, btw.

 

[Firus]

A 2D Sonic game, like the old Genesis ones.

Also like Sonic Rush, which, while fun, is just a bunch of boosting with a little bit of crashing/dying because you're moving too fast to see things.

Its called Project Needlemouse atm, and will return Sonic to his roots.

Correction: Sega SAYS it will return Sonic to his roots.

If I had a nickel for every time Sega said that and didn't make good on that promise, I'd be rich. They said that about Unleashed, too.

I think I've now officially decided this game is destined to bomb no matter what. We have absolutely no gameplay videos, no proof whatsoever yet about what this game is except what Sega tells us, and we should know by now that Sega lies.

But we don't, and everyone is still, after getting the shaft about 10 times, falling all over themselves about the newest claim of something bringing Sonic back to his roots.

So the game is already going to be overhyped, and then chances are it's going to fail to meet Sega's goal of bringing Sonic back to his roots.

I no longer care about blatantly accusing the newest project in the Sonic series of being a lie and headed to become a fail. Chances are I'll be right, and in the unlikelihood that I'm wrong, I won't care. It's a win-win situation; if I'm wrong, we've actually got a good Sonic game. If I'm right...well, at least I'm right.

 

[황미영]

Genesis isn't their first console, the Master System was...

Altered Beast all dai!

I trust Sega on the new Sonic game. :3 If they fail me, I'm abandoning this ship called SErvice GAmes. >;

 

[Darkslash]

Sega found their niche.

No need to make unnecessary risks because of a small hardcore fanbase.

Crushing Nintendo's silly little casual marke

Little? Just because they piss you off doesn't mean their little. Nintendo unfortunately struck gold with them, and every one is following suit.

and Sony's... awesome machine

Yea...lets be honest here. I want a PS3, but this reeks fanboyism.

 

[SpeedAcE]

Sonic Team/Sega fails repeatedly. Sonic is only the franchise in name now, imo. He didn't get a proper transition into 3D (though it was an attempt worthy of applause) and now 'adjustments' are constantly being made to an inherently convoluted formula. I honestly don't even care about Sonic games anymore, since it's seemingly an inevitability that the next one will blow.

Heroes. 06. Shadow. Rings. Black Knight. Unleashed. All failures.

 

[finalark]

If I had a nickel for every time Sega said that and didn't make good on that promise, I'd be rich. They said that about Unleashed, too.

I concur.

I no longer care about blatantly accusing the newest project in the Sonic series of being a lie and headed to become a fail. Chances are I'll be right, and in the unlikelihood that I'm wrong, I won't care. It's a win-win situation; if I'm wrong, we've actually got a good Sonic game. If I'm right...well, at least I'm right.

Reminds me of something a friend of mine said once, "pessimism, you're either always right or pleasantly surprised."

Little? Just because they piss you off doesn't mean their little. Nintendo unfortunately struck gold with them, and every one is following suit.

/facepalm.

Sarcasm, sarcasm, sarcasm.

Yea...lets be honest here. I want a PS3, but this reeks fanboyism.

We're all fanboys of SOMETHING.

 

[Arbutus]

Sonic Team/Sega fails repeatedly. Sonic is only the franchise in name now, imo. He didn't get a proper transition into 3D (though it was an attempt worthy of applause) and now 'adjustments' are constantly being made to an inherently convoluted formula. I honestly don't even care about Sonic games anymore, since it's seemingly an inevitability that the next one will blow.

Heroes. 06. Shadow. Rings. Black Knight. Unleashed. All failures.

Are you really trying to tell us that Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 weren't proper transitions? >:\ Those games were pretty much perfect. No fanboy. I mean, sure sometimes it was annoying because you really just wanted to run around and they were like "NO. NOW IS THE TIME FOR DIGGING UP GEMS." but those levels were never that hard to it's acceptable. Plus it was a nice breaking of the flow. And it'd get you really pumped for Sonic/Shadow missions. :B

And Heroes was actually a pretty good game. o:

 

[Kei_Takaro]

Are you really trying to tell us that Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 weren't proper transitions? >:\ Those games were pretty much perfect. No fanboy. I mean, sure sometimes it was annoying because you really just wanted to run around and they were like "NO. NOW IS THE TIME FOR DIGGING UP GEMS." but those levels were never that hard to it's acceptable. Plus it was a nice breaking of the flow. And it'd get you really pumped for Sonic/Shadow missions. :B

And Heroes was actually a pretty good game. o:

The Sonic Adventure series were very good at their time. It's very acceptable to say that it was a proper transition. The reason you say they ****ed up was because they didn't IMPROVE it when the future Sonic games were made. It's like they didn't fix up all the faults and glitches, they just added about a few features which gamers wouldn't really have to care that much. We can tolerate Adventure, but '06 was just like Adventure with better graphics..


Shadow? SEGA on crack....
I liked the Heroes franchise, but to review it, it just plain sucks. Plus dying alot? screw Heroes
The Black Knight was good actually for a motion based game, since it didn't really play like the usual 3d types, but I would have wanted to move freely and not be stuck like some kind of Rail-shooter game anyway.

Well at least they ALMOST got it right with Unleashed

Spoiler

DANGIT WEREHOG and NIGHT STAGES!!

Needlemouse? Okay, 2D I guess that's cool. But I feel like a 2D-3D Game is better for their next release

 

[Red Arremer]

Yea, I don't get the Heroes, Secret Rings and Shadow hate. The games were by all means no masterpieces, but they aren't bad games either.
They all had what the typical Sonic game nowadays has: Too little development time, thus glitches and sub-par gameplay.

I also love how Secret Rings is getting called such a bad game when it has exactly what everyone wants: Speedy running missions in 3D. Why are you hating on it? Cause of it's "story"? Genesis Sonic didn't have story either, lol.

I honestly enjoyed those three games. I didn't play Black Knight or Unleashed, so I can't say anything about them. 06 was a failure, though.

 

[Jimnymebob]

SEGA doesn't seem to be able to handle 3D that well, and they never have. Adventure was a leap forward for Sonic, as it introduced some cool new concepts; but apart from Heroes, which may be glitchy at times, none of the 3D games were close to the classic games. SEGA made out Unleashed sound like a classic Sonic game because you went to "2D" sections every so often. Being 2D makes it like classic Sonic? Why not put a 2D stage in Bubsy 3D and call it classic Bubsy?

As for franchises that should return, I'd have to say Streets of Rage, Shinobi, Vectorman, Golden Axe, and Ristar at least, but out of those the only one I could see working in 3D (and already has) is Shinobi. 3D beat em ups are hardly ever good, so that throws Streets of Rage out of the window, and Ristar, Vectorman and Golden Axe would be hard to translate into 3D.

I'm probably not explaining myself properly here, but what I'm saying is SEGA has a lot of good franchises- both old and new, but after having one good game they don't know what to do with themselvees when making a sequel.

I've been playing Shadow this past week, and I am enjoying it. Whilst Shadow may control like he's sliding on ice on his belly, and his homing attack may not like to home in on things, it is a really good game. Sadly it seems to have the glitchy engine that Heroes had, but it doesn't deserve the bashing it gets. The storyline may be a bit all over the place, but there are some really good levels there.

I also enjoyed Secret Rings, Black Knight and Unleashed. They weren't like classic Sonic, but they were fun.

 

[Kei_Takaro]

I also love how Secret Rings is getting called such a bad game when it has exactly what everyone wants: Speedy running missions in 3D. Why are you hating on it? Cause of it's "story"? Genesis Sonic didn't have story either, lol.

I honestly enjoyed those three games. I didn't play Black Knight or Unleashed, so I can't say anything about them. 06 was a failure, though.

Oh, Secret Rings? It was good for a motion based game, but it had repetitive missions that no one wants to play, they wanted Full 3D control plus I was personally annoyed with all the tutorials at the beginning.

It seems that Sega is almost too/entirely dependent on the Sonic Franchise. Streets of Rage would be sexy!

BTW: Have you seen Blitz Sonic? It's a fan-made 3D Engine, it's still not yet perfect, but they are making sure that they can somehow in someway "Perfect" the 3D Sonic once and for all

 

[Red Arremer]

As for franchises that should return, I'd have to say Streets of Rage, Shinobi, Vectorman, Golden Axe, and Ristar at least, but out of those the only one I could see working in 3D (and already has) is Shinobi. 3D beat em ups are hardly ever good, so that throws Streets of Rage out of the window, and Ristar, Vectorman and Golden Axe would be hard to translate into 3D.

I've been playing Shadow this past week, and I am enjoying it. Whilst Shadow may control like he's sliding on ice on his belly, and his homing attack may not like to home in on things, it is a really good game. Sadly it seems to have the glitchy engine that Heroes had, but it doesn't deserve the bashing it gets. The storyline may be a bit all over the place, but there are some really good levels there.

<3

Oh, Secret Rings? It was good for a motion based game, but it had repetitive missions that no one wants to play, they wanted Full 3D control plus I was personally annoyed with all the tutorials at the beginning.

Well, Genesis Sonic was a little repetitive at times, too. But you have all a classic Sonic game had just in 3D.

 

[Ojanya]

No offense, but everything you said was basically common sense to anyone who would WANT to make a game console. However, Sega no longer has the money or resources to do such a thing, which is why they cut out of the market in the first place. You can blame good 'ol Bernie for that one. Sega is content right where they are.

 

[Kei_Takaro]

Well, Genesis Sonic was a little repetitive at times, too. But you have all a classic Sonic game had just in 3D.

Hmm, that may be true, but In my own experience playing almost all the Sonic games (yeah fanboi-ism) I haven't had a sense of repetitiveness for me when I play. But the only time I've ever sensed repetitiveness was in Secret Rings

Sonic Unleashed had missions at the same level, yes you could count that, but IMO it just feels alright in that game's situation. It was FUN, and then you'd want to play it again.

In Secret Rings, when forced to do a mission after completing the story, it just felt like "aww man, I don't wanna do this crap again."

Well, that's my opinion

 

[GreenKirby]

Guys, there are more Sega franchises than just Sonic, you know. Stop using that as a reason Sega sucks despite the fact that their other franchises do well at least critically. Gawd!

This is why I sometimes wished it was Sega who won the fourth generation console wars and Nintendo should have been who failed. At least then, Sega franchises would get the recognition they so rightfully deserve.

 

[Red Arremer]

Guys, there are more Sega franchises than just Sonic, you know. Stop using that as a reason Sega sucks despite the fact that their other franchises do well at least critically. Gawd!

This is why I sometimes wished it was Sega who won the fourth generation console wars and Nintendo should have been who failed. At least then, Sega franchises would get the recognition they so rightfully deserve.

I'd rather have seen Sony fail because it was their huge advertisment campaigns for the PS2 that made Sega's Dreamcast fail, among the fact its predecessors bombed horribly (32x and Saturn).

And no, Sonic is Sega's only really successful franchise, all others are hardly bringing a income.

 

[Jimnymebob]

As I said, it'll be hard to make a 3D Golden Axe game .
That being said, the only good Golden Axe for me was the original.

Gain Ground and Dynamite Headdy could really do with sequels, especially the latter.

What SEGA franchises are there?

 

[finalark]

What SEGA franchises are there?

Off the top of my head....

Golden Axe, Sonic, Shining Force (I think), Phantasy Star, Echo, Streets of Rage, there are a few more, that's just off the top of my head.

EDIT: Some more:

Alex Kidd, Alien Soldier, I think that they own some of the rights to Sin and Punishment and Gunstar Heroes, Alien Storm, Beyond Oasis, Comix Zone, Flicky, House of the Dead, NiGHTS, Ristar, Space Channel 5, Virtual Fighter, Yakuza... those are some more I got by really thinking back. Most of its obscure stuff, though.

 

[GreenKirby]

And no, Sonic is Sega's only really successful franchise, all others are hardly bringing a income.

That's why I said they do well CRITICALLY not COMMERCIALLY.

 

[SpeedAcE]

Are you really trying to tell us that Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 weren't proper transitions? >:\ Those games were pretty much perfect. No fanboy. I mean, sure sometimes it was annoying because you really just wanted to run around and they were like "NO. NOW IS THE TIME FOR DIGGING UP GEMS." but those levels were never that hard to it's acceptable. Plus it was a nice breaking of the flow. And it'd get you really pumped for Sonic/Shadow missions. :B

And Heroes was actually a pretty good game. o:

Sonic Adventure 1&2 were great for their time (I loved them), but they aged quickly and no significant improvements have been made to the series at all. The Adventure games also had some extreme flaws - all from the camera to the introduction of restricting, monotonously automated loops and turns. Look at the 3D Mario games, they follow the same basic formula introduced in Mario 64 and it doesn't suck.

I can't believe anyone is calling Heroes, Shadow, and Black Knight decent. You can somewhat make a case for Secret Rings, but as for the aforementioned it baffles me.

 

[Kholdstare]

Yo Sega I know you're making a come back and Ima let you finish, but Nintendo is the greatest game company of all time!

Spoiler

I liked Golden Axe: Beast Rider.

 

[Firus]

I can't believe anyone is calling Heroes, Shadow, and Black Knight decent. You can somewhat make a case for Secret Rings, but as for the aforementioned it baffles me.

Decent is an opinion.

I agree on Shadow and Black Knight, but I rather enjoyed Heroes. It has its flaws, but it's not a bad game.

 

[Red Arremer]

And I rather enjoyed all Sonic games I played but 06.

 

[Yaya]

SEGA made an amazing game in Valkyria Chronicles, but it was barely marketed at all outside of Japan.

Anybody with a PS3 should go out and buy Valkyria Chronicles right now.

SEGA had a chance to finally get put back on the map with the game, but they didn't take the chance with marketing, I really hope SEGA can get back on their feet, the next beautiful game they make, I hope they don't do the same thing they did with VC.

Sonic Rush was awesome, it got a little frustrating at times with the enemies that appear from nowhere, and the bosses who have those 1-hit KO moves, but otherwise, it was very enjoyable and the Tension Gauge was a good idea that can be worked on to make it perfect.

 

[§leepy God]

And I rather enjoyed all Sonic games I played but 06.

♪ Almost the same mind I have. Silver's levels were too boring for me mostly, that's the main reason why I didn't enjoy that one. †

 

[Firus]

And I rather enjoyed all Sonic games I played but 06.

And I actually enjoyed '06 and found Secret Rings so annoying that I still haven't finished it.

My point being: everyone has a different opinion, and there's no reason to be appalled over people having different opinions.

 

[BOB SAGET!]

Sonic adventure was pro. Though SEGA has no intentions of making anymore systems, it would be nice to see them try again sometime in the future. Imagine how advanced a SEGA console would be now if SEGA didnt stop making consoles. It'd be ****ing crazy.

 

[A Pimp Named Slickback]

SA3 would be so legit.

SA1 and SA2 were hands down the best games in the series. Pretty much everything else sucked ballsacks.

 

[Jimnymebob]

SA3 would be so legit.

SA1 and SA2 were hands down the best games in the series. Pretty much everything else sucked ballsacks.

I believe you are wrong good sir.

Adventure 2 was better than 1 in my eyes, but they didn't come close to 2 or 3&Knuckles, and even though I dislike it, Sonic CD.
In terms of level design and gameplay, Heroes was miles better than Adventure 1 or 2, it's just that Heroes had glitches that those two didn't.

 

[REL38]

A new console would be a terrible move. They wouldn't last this time around.

And I heard that one of the head Sonic Team members left causing their recent games to be less good than they could have been.

SA 2 was epic, though.

 

[§leepy God]

Adventure 2 was better than 1 in my eyes, but they didn't come close to 2 or 3&Knuckles, and even though I dislike it, Sonic CD.
In terms of level design and gameplay, Heroes was miles better than Adventure 1 or 2, it's just that Heroes had glitches that those two didn't.

♪ I kind of agree that 1 is better than 2 in a way, I mostly blame Big the Cat. Though I would dog out the Adventure series like that when it comes to Sonic 2, 3, and S&K though. And Heroes didn't have side game that was enjoyable like the Adventure series, the stage levels were basically the same for all teams... yea, I wouldn't say Heroes is better. †

 

[Jimnymebob]

A new console would be a terrible move. They wouldn't last this time around.

I think SEGA could pull off releasing a 2D console. Give it online features and stuff, but make all games 2D. If it's cheap enough, and SEGA could make some fantastic 2D games like they used to then I actually believe that would work. People are getting into classic games again, thanks to XBox Live, PSN and VC, and if they made new games like that then it'd do well.

I don't think they could pull off anything 3D console wise though.

@Sleepy= I actually forgot about the Chao Garden and Battle mode of Adventure 2. o_o.
Well, in terms of main story mode, Heroes levels were closer to the original games, and that's what I liked. Through most of it (the first half in particular) there was a good focus of speed, platforming, and all the crazy loops. I also liked the return of the Acts. Heroes was better in concept, but Adventure 1 and 2 pulled the actual gameplay off better.

 

[Firus]

SA3 would be so legit.

SA1 and SA2 were hands down the best games in the series. Pretty much everything else sucked ballsacks.

Well, someone's never touched a Genesis...

Of course, I'm assuming here, but I don't know many people who say Adventure 1 and 2 are the only good games in the series when they take everything into account. It's usually Adventure 1 and 2 are the only good 3D games, and the 2D games (at least the popular ones, i.e. not the Game Gear ones [though I like them personally]) are all good.

 

[Kantō]

its not worth making a whole new system to them when they can just release stuff on psn and xbox live, plus all the old skool stuff on the wii

 

[BOB SAGET!]

its not worth making a whole new system to them when they can just release stuff on psn and xbox live, plus all the old skool stuff on the wii

nintendo is crap... get over it.

 

[Alus]

Nintendo is crap until they feel like doing something. Most of the first party games are great IMO.