Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]

[Divinokage]

vids of your falcon or it didnt happen

Well everyone has to start somewhere. =P In time.

Edit: Though I'm not sure where I would place my Falcon power level if you compare to everyone.

 

[The Mighty Kiwi]

How can I avoid a falco dair when I'm trying to recover?

I get gimped by it all the time.

 

[ChivalRuse]

How can I avoid a falco dair when I'm trying to recover?

I get gimped by it all the time.

Always grab the ledge with your double jump if possible. Good DI will make it easier to do this.

If you suspect Falco will attempt something foul, you can double jump and air dodge, double jump onto the stage with an aerial, or fastfall and up-b to the ledge and go for the tech.

None of these are guaranteed to save you, of course. But they at least make it harder for Falco.

 

[The Mighty Kiwi]

Thanks. I never thought of the air dodge thing

 

[X1-12]

or if you can recover high above the stage, pretty obvious but i felt it should be mentioned nonethekess

 

[P.C. Jona]

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[PEEF!]

am i the only one that thinks most good falcons are about equally good at recovering

Yeah, I agree. They all just recover in different ways. Hax is good with the fakeouts of where he lands, SS does the edgecanceling sheet and general mindgamery, and Darkrain draws soo many ledgehogs and rolls off the edge and lives because he somehow makes it all the way back onto the stage when it seems impossible.

I'd say their rate of recovery is pretty much equal.

 

[BigD!!!]

jiano is actually probably the best the more i think about it, too bad hes no good at anything else anymore

and when i say most good falcons i really mean way more than just those 3, i think most falcons around my level recover pretty much as well as the top ones

 

[Iron Dragon]

ya i suck vs peach

hax is the best vs peach imo but SS is 4089150710578x better than any other falcon vs nerves

i don't think SS has ever been nervous ever.

i think darkrain is the best against peach actually.

from what i hear the guy was like 3-4 stocking cort in friendlies awhile back or some ish.

 

[P.C. Jona]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxsesPMqshc

watch that if u wanna play like me ; ]

its a funnny collection of bs lmao

 

[Divinokage]

Rofl you did a Kage special at 1:52.

 

[Afro_Chris]

some one clearly has a problem wit edge gaurding

 

[The Mighty Kiwi]

I have a question. How do I pivot with Falcon, I can't do it.

 

[ChivalRuse]

Pivot grab:

1. Fox trot one way
2. Smash the stick in the other direction
3. Immediately JC a grab

Pivot fsmash / ftilt:

1. Fox trot one way
2. Smash the stick in the other direction while pressing A simultaneously.

 

[The Mighty Kiwi]

Thanks, I'll try it.

 

[mers]

When you pivot grab, the JC is unnecessary and can definitely screw you up. A perfect pivot puts you in the standing animation, so if you do the grab right you just do a standing grab. The jump can sometimes JC the pivot itself if your timing is off, causing you to not turn around at all.

So just learn the timing properly and skip the JC, especially because a JC can take a few frames.

 

[ChivalRuse]

I JC out of habit, not practicality.

 

[Lovage]

if you stand still and JC grab does it take longer? can you grab out of the 1st frame of the jump animation? if so it probably doesn't matter

 

[Mogwai]

if you stand still and JC grab does it take longer? can you grab out of the 1st frame of the jump animation? if so it probably doesn't matter

I'm under the impression it costs you a frame to JC it.

 

[4% APR]

My marth sucks. Falcon is my new secondary. I hope this isnt an awful idea

 

[Tomacawk]

that is an awful idea

 

[P.C. Jona]

My marth sucks. Falcon is my new secondary. I hope this isnt an awful idea

if you main doc and 2nd falcon thats actually pretty good

doc is freaking ****

 

[Strong Badam]

i jc when i pivot grab
if 1 frame is going to cost me a grab then I'm probably going to **** it up anyway

 

[voorhese]

wait can u jc into anything?

 

[DtJ Jungle]

dont mind me
im ********

 

[Tomacawk]

no
only usmash, grab
sometimes on slopes you can jc jabs and goofy **** but it's dumb

 

[DtJ Jungle]

lol for some reason i read that as pivot and not jc.

 

[KAOSTAR]

if you stand still and JC grab does it take longer? can you grab out of the 1st frame of the jump animation? if so it probably doesn't matter

At minimum its 1 frame more, depends on how far into the jump you go b4 u grab.

ur technical, just pivot standing grab.

 

[Roneblaster]

ruby, pound 5 or Genesis 2?

also

dont forget:

I'm not good.

 

[ChivalRuse]

wait can u jc into anything?

No.

But you can dash cancel into anything, so it doesn't really matter.

 

[Mogwai]

No.

But you can dash cancel into anything, so it doesn't really matter.

yes it does, cause you can jc during your initial dash frames and cannot dash cancel during them.

 

[ChivalRuse]

That's why wavedashing was invented.

 

[Mogwai]

/facepalm

WDing out of your initial dash instead of JCing adds like, double digit frames to your grab/Usmash/whatever else you were JCing (bad).

 

[ChivalRuse]

WDing out of your initial dash

That's not what I meant.

JCing into an upsmash or grab can happen at any point in a dash animation.

Dash cancelling can only happen after the initial dash animation completes, so it has limitations.

My argument was that wavedashing instead of dashing enables you to perform any move within the range of the initial dash, thereby eliminating the problem.

For example, a Falcon runs and dash cancels into a dsmash. He can't do this with JCing, obviously. However, if he wanted to run forward and dsmash during the initial dash animation, it wouldn't happen. Instead, he could just wavedash forward into a dsmash to accomplish the same task.

 

[Mogwai]

That's not what I meant.

JCing into an upsmash or grab can happen at any point in a dash animation.

Dash cancelling can only happen after the initial dash animation completes, so it has limitations.

My argument was that wavedashing instead of dashing enables you to perform any move within the range of the initial dash, thereby eliminating the problem.

For example, a Falcon runs and dash cancels into a dsmash. He can't do this with JCing, obviously. However, if he wanted to run forward and dsmash during the initial dash animation, it wouldn't happen. Instead, he could just wavedash forward into a dsmash to accomplish the same task.

it would still be pretty slow. wavedashing sucks. just dash jc grab.

 

[ChivalRuse]

Yea wavedashing is overrated.

 

[P.C. Jona]

wavedashing is only good for wavelanding and luigi

 

[Mogwai]

wavedashing is only good for wavelanding and luigi

it would also be pretty good if there were characters that had 1 frame moves that could be canceled out of with only a jump, but that would be stupid and obviously broken...

<_<

>_>

 

[ChivalRuse]

Spacies are gay.

 

[Reaver197]

Ah, a world where shine actually had a minimum amount of frames it had to go through...