Official [SA] Adelaide/ South Australia Smash Community

[Grim Tuesday]

No, it doesn't.

 

[Splice]

*Splice dishowns the Unity Ruleset*

lets never use it.

 

[wh1te5had0w]

So, are we going to use this new rule or not? :/

edit: I ban Brinstar and Rainbow Cruise .... No more 80/20 MU's, makes things more fair

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I'll talk to Apollo and Nova about it and try and go-over the effect it will have outside of "Ban Brinstar and RC against Meta Knight)".

Chances are either this rule will be implemented, one of those stages will be dropped or a specific Meta Knight rule for stage selection will be included.

I'm also going to see about increasing the LGL from 25 to 35.

 

[DoMo.]

Nono, i was disagreeing with something else that grim said, not the 2 stage ban rule, i think it's a great idea :D

 

[Splice]

Chances are either this rule will be implemented, one of those stages will be dropped or a specific Meta Knight rule for stage selection will be included.

in my lil ol' opinion

I think you should figure something else out other than MK specific rule for stage selection
Just because I don't think you should do that at Reloaded
You probably would want to test the ruleset you are using for Reloaded before Reloaded

And if you intend to have MK specific stage selection rule for Reloaded
Then I oppose lol

Also if you drop one of the stages ( you know some chars would take MK to RC? Olimar would. I've seen it happen at high level play) I think you should drop Brinstar. It's small blast zones make for more unfair KOs and I don't think it contributes to giving as many chars who suffer bad-MUs-with-few-Counterpicks a CounterPick option as RC does.
Dropping Brinstar and add Japes yeah
If you drop RC and not Brinstar for the sake of less MK ****
than you are stupid.

I'd advise revising stagelist rather than MK specific rules.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Yeah, MK specific rule for stages is unlikely. Just throwing out the potential options.

If we were to remove a stage, it would DEFINITELY be Brinstar.

 

[Ghostbone]

Yea if any stage is dropped because of MK it would be Brinstar.

The problem with 2 stage bans is now MK can ban FD + your regular counter-pick and now you're stuck choosing Pokemon Stadium or something lol (can depend on whether you won game 1 or not), and in a 5 game set it's even worse.
And he still gets Delfino or Frigate, which are reasonable counter-picks for him.

Edit: MK really isn't that much of a problem, so it's unlikely much needs to be done about him....but Brinstar will probably be banned at Reloaded anyway.

 

[Eagle]

It's still better than being ***** silly on Rainbow Ride / Brinstar.

Also I thought I made it clear there is no banning FD against me. D:

 

[Splice]

Yeah, MK specific rule for stages is unlikely. Just throwing out the potential options.

If we were to remove a stage, it would DEFINITELY be Brinstar.

I hold your ability to run/form a competitive ruleset for this game in high regard.

@Ghost: I dont know which chars like to take MK to FD as a CP
Except Diddy / ICs / D3 I think

And it's known Diddy has always fared poorly in a 5-game set. Diddy, apart from MK when he has Brinstar and RC, and perhaps GaW with RC and Frigate, gets the ****tiest end of the stick with 2 stage bans, because Diddys ARE forced to PS1. Or a worse stage.

D3 has other options that are still ok vs MK, one extra ban doesnt effect him afaik
ICs also fare well on SV and BF I thought? So I dont know how bad one more ban is for them.

So make things worse for Diddy and better for a majority of the cast
Keep things cool for Diddy and let the majority of the cast suffer!
Also note that Diddy being taken away from FD and SV makes, from my understanding, like 85% of his MUs closer to even. whether thats a bad or a good thing w/e. He still has the advantage im quite sure.

 

[DoMo.]

Drop brinstar add japes, i agree. =]

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I would take MK to FD as Jigglypuff after PS1, PS2 and Halberd probably.

 

[DoMo.]

Jungle Japes to make a comeback! kgo!

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Official Reloaded Rule-set:
Strike from every stage.
Last ten stages struck become counter-picks.
Last stage remaining becomes a starter.

 

[Splice]

That's a joke.

 

[Ghostbone]

@Splice

Two stage bans would probably hurt Diddy I guess
Especially without Picto
Ban FD plus BF he probably won on SV first game :/

I don't really mind though.

My main concern is MK

 

[DoMo.]

MK really isn't as bad as you guys are making him out to be -___-

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Basically DoMo, everyone good in Australia has a pocket MK.

If you don't ban Brinstar every round, chances are that you will get taken there by an MK. At which point you can stick with your main and try a probably horribly disadvantage match-up, or switch to MK yourself.

Yes, he is as bad as we are making him out to be.

 

[DoMo.]

Ban Brinstar, done o.o

 

[Splice]

Yup Ghost.

I have to say the fact that, Diddys love for as neutrally-simplistic-ground-based stages is prevalent in the starters...

Normally means he gets to play on a stage he has the advantage on for Game One

So I dont think this diminishing to his CPs is a big deal when u think of it like that.

Although with 7 starters
We're really screwing Diddy Kong lol.

@Grim: Brinstar isnt as good a CP as you make it out to be. Most actual MKs in Aus would never take you to a stage that isnt neutral.

MK is a bad as you make him out to be. Brinstar as a CP for him isnt as bad as you are saying though.
Although defs his best stage D:

Also DoMo just ninja'd me.
Ban brinstar add japes 2 bans

 

[DoMo.]

Or even better, drop brinstar and add jugnle japes, and then they can ban RC or Delfino, there you go

 

[Ghostbone]

Yea he is

Not in Australia though.

Edit: Posts got in the way of the one I was replying to

 

[Ghostbone]

Yup Ghost.

I have to say the fact that, Diddys love for as neutrally-simplistic-ground-based stages is prevalent in the starters...

Normally means he gets to play on a stage he has the advantage on for Game One

So I dont think this diminishing to his CPs is a big deal when u think of it like that.

Although with 7 starters
We're really screwing Diddy Kong lol.

It's not really screwing Diddy Kong it's just he's not a good enough character to keep up, and we shouldn't cater to him.
-Obligatory Ganon on Norfair example-

I think Diddy does fine with 7 starters anyway.

 

[Splice]

of course.
If Diddy cant keep up with more stages thats his fault I understand.
GaW does worse with less stages so I know how it feels :C

Diddy will still be in whatever tier that tier with snake is.

I was just making the observation that
Normally - Diddy gets a beneficial starter to his advantage
Normally - Diddy gets FD or SV

Because of the first "Normally", i think its fair Diddy has his CPs limited as he already has one.
But with 7 stages he doesnt get true CPs for a starter so that doesnt justify it anymore.

BUT YOU ARE RIGHT
If Diddy isnt good enough to do really well on more than 2/3 stages, than he needs to man-up.
It's his fault.

Also @ Ganondorf reference:
No matter what, a different stage list will cater to different characters better.
I'm not saying you should cater to any characters, but inadvertantly you are.
So that example is really stupid seeing as we always have to discuss who will do better/worse with the new stagelists
And you are aiming to hinder MK because he's so good
Which is just as bad as trying to help Ganondorf coz he's so bad
Hindering characters inadvertantly aids others, so you are being hypocritical in that
if you really thought it was stupid to discuss that a character is being hindered by a ruleset
example ; Diddy being hindered by this one
than you are ignoring that hindering MK is catering to everybody else
and conservative is catering to characters
and so is liberal
You can't avoid it but you might as well try and realise which characters are effected though.

 

[Ghostbone]

Also @ Ganondorf reference:
No matter what, a different stage list will cater to different characters better.
I'm not saying you should cater to any characters, but inadvertantly you are.
So that example is really stupid seeing as we always have to discuss who will do better/worse with the new stagelists
And you are aiming to hinder MK because he's so good
Which is just as bad as trying to help Ganondorf coz he's so bad
Hindering characters inadvertantly aids others, so you are being hypocritical in that
if you really thought it was stupid to discuss that a character is being hindered by a ruleset
example ; Diddy being hindered by this one
than you are ignoring that hindering MK is catering to everybody else
and conservative is catering to characters
and so is liberal
You can't avoid it but you might as well try and realise which characters are effected though.

It's more like
We shouldn't try to cater to any characters.
There's a difference between the game itself catering to characters (like MK) and us catering to others (like Diddy Kong and Falco).
The starter list shouldn't be made up of their best starter stages, and in fact the best system is one without any starters, where you strike from all the legal stages.

As for stage bans, having any number is arbitrary, so it's better to give players more stage bans as that evens out counter-picks somewhat and allows for more stage variety.

 

[Eagle]

Ouch Grim.. I don't pocket MK.

Don't respond to this message.

 

[Splice]

Hi Eagle.

@Ghost, you misinterpret.

I wasnt saying it was good or bad who we cater to.
I was only noting it.

I had a point and I forget what it was, but basically the "ganondorf and norfair" comment was out of place and unneccessary given the circumstances.

Also most neutral starter stage method =/= Best method

It can actually take quite a while and i dont know how the people attending Reloaded would feel.
It just seems impractical is all.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

It doesn't take very long if you strike clumps of stages at a time, rather than just 2 or 3.

 

[Ghostbone]

@Ghost, you misinterpret.

I wasnt saying it was good or bad who we cater to.
I was only noting it.

I had a point and I forget what it was, but basically the "ganondorf and norfair" comment was out of place and unneccessary given the circumstances.

Also most neutral starter stage method =/= Best method

It can actually take quite a while and i dont know how the people attending Reloaded would feel.
It just seems impractical is all.

Oh ok that's fine then.

And when I said best I meant ideal competitively, worded it wrong >.>

And yea it's not the best method for a tournament because it would take a lot of time, and most people would just go "**** it, Smashville"

Edit: Yea Grim I guess, but you still have the problem of people just ignoring it lol.

 

[SethT]

guys, quitting brawl for melee, just watched pound 5 finals, DR PP vs Armada. Amazing.

Spoiler

jks, I <3 Brawl.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

You really had me going for a second there

Though yes, that set is amazing.

Oh hey, Supra is lurking. Why did you never come to a tournament?

 

[Ghostbone]

I just realised Supra has a _ after his name like Aces_.....
lol
interesting

I think he said something about parents not letting him?
Though it would be awesome for him to come :D

 

[Grim Tuesday]

That's probably for the best, we're all a bunch of pedophile rapists after-all.

 

[Leisha]

Especially me ;o

+w+

I miss nova. -sadface-

 

[Ghostbone]

You're not even from Adelaide

And we all miss Nova D:

 

[Grim Tuesday]

*Points to my Custom Title*

 

[SethT]

*Points to my Custom Title*

Definitely not the same v___v

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Go suck on a turd you umbrella-faced F@GG0T!

Better? :/

 

[SethT]

I just realised Supra has a _ after his name like Aces_.....
lol
interesting

He is learning well (y)

and no Grim... never the same.... -frowny face-

 

[Leisha]

I've known nova since the day I got my copy of brawl </3 Back in the days we met on the gamefaqs boards lol. (including scott and tom but you wouldn't know tom since hes from melb)

I miss him typoing my name and calling me church lol