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[BarDulL]

I'm not really satisfied with that answer either because you're being lazy.

 

[Kantrip]

having said that, im not looking for a rebuttal, i dont want you to defend from it, and im not intending to lynch you toDay.

if you are town, it is in your best interest to work with us on coming up with a lynch alternative. i actually do want your input on who you think should be shot and lynched toDay. im not willing to go glyph though

 

[BarDulL]

You want me to work with you after posting that pile of crap? What makes you think I should trust you when you're trying to hand wave the interaction as me being scummy and not going into deeper detail?

Saying my points are nonsensical is nonsensical in and of itself because you're not explaining why they are nonsensical.

 

[Kantrip]

you can say you think im scum if you want, and cite what im doing as reasoning. i just want something man, cmon

i told you i didnt want to get into why i didnt like you in the you vs glyph. its not my focus for toDay and i want to look elsewhere.

 

[BarDulL]

Kantplay, you are incredibly dense at times.

Going to bed. Good night.

 

[Kantrip]

((i dont know what i expected trying to reason with scum))

alright never mind. id support getting rid of him toDay if that was the consensus. not gonna fight for someone who wont give an inch

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'll have a votecount up sometime today.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Kary, first things first I've thought about it and completely believe your VT claim. Don't mistake this for a clear, or even as an indication that you're town (though I would be pretty confident with a town read on you based on the parts I've read).

Talk to me about mass claiming. I'm coming from a bit of a different reference point for this game so I want it approached from your perspective.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

the goal was never to prove they could communicate, but rather to find out what my ability does through the guise of confirming their communication

all my role tells me is that i can target someone to send them a message, however i dont know what the message says

OK. So you actually have no clue whether Orbo's "message" is the one you sent to Rake then? Do you think it's likely that they are able to communicate with each other?

What if those "messages" you send were accurate pieces of information? Kary not going anywhere would correspond nicely with his VT claim ...

 

[~ Gheb ~]

So right now I think I'll shoot Bardull and then we'll lynch Joey.

 

[Kantrip]

OK. So you actually have no clue whether Orbo's "message" is the one you sent to Rake then? Do you think it's likely that they are able to communicate with each other?

What if those "messages" you send were accurate pieces of information? Kary not going anywhere would correspond nicely with his VT claim ...

yeah they can definitely communicate with each other

the reason i didnt say i had no clue what my message said beforehand was so that they would think i did. as far as rake and orbo knew, they had to say what my message told them because i would know if they lied or not

one sec, didnt they say that it said no one visited kary? either way, yeah i could see my messages being accurate statements, perhaps even always of the same nature and my role acts as a kind of amnesiac watcher of sorts. *shrug*

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what I'm thinking too.

Let's see what Orbo's message says.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

No one visited kary

Hmmm, looks like you're right.

 

[Kantrip]

Told orbo the message essentially just now

No one visited kary

here we go.

@ Fire Emblemier - What do you think about what's been happening? Are you good with Gheb shooting Bardull and us lynching Joey?

 

[Fire Emblemier]

here we go.

@ Fire Emblemier - What do you think about what's been happening? Are you good with Gheb shooting Bardull and us lynching Joey?

I would say I don't mind Gheb shooting anyone, even myself, as it is up to him. Though, as you said prior we could let Bardull live to give another lie detector test. (Of which can be used to confirm me as Town) Joey is a good lynch as any due to Gylph's most likely true claim.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

[quote="FireEmblemnier, post: 18177675, member: 219423"Joey is a good lynch as any due to Gylph's most likely true claim.[/quote]

How does one relate to the other?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

i dont buy that kantrip has no idea what his role does. calling bull**** on that

 

[Fire Emblemier]

[quote="FireEmblemnier, post: 18177675, member: 219423"Joey is a good lynch as any due to Gylph's most likely true claim.

How does one relate to the other?

[/quote]
Before the two advocated lynches was Glyph and Joey, and with Glyph's most likely honest claim, it just leaves Joey.

 

[Kantrip]

i dont buy that kantrip has no idea what his role does. calling bull**** on that

Okay. Then why am I lying about it?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Kary, first things first I've thought about it and completely believe your VT claim. Don't mistake this for a clear, or even as an indication that you're town (though I would be pretty confident with a town read on you based on the parts I've read).

Talk to me about mass claiming. I'm coming from a bit of a different reference point for this game so I want it approached from your perspective.

I started writing a ****ing essay on mass claiming >.>

TLDR:
It hurts town if we have valuable roles that are yet to claim (eg a protective)
It helps town because it gives you more info on slots you probably need more info on, and IMO slots that haven't claimed anything are more likely to be scum.

Personally I don't care whether or not it happens toDay. It should probably happen by the end of Day 3.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

im curious to hear karys reasoning for why maven was more likely town than scum

I had been thinking that it was weird that Maven got waggoned over FE when there really wasn't that much that either of them had done. Literally the best explanation for being on Maven was 'he's a question mark' which is surely also true of FE to some extent.

So assuming there's no difference between the two slots, and that they're probably not both scum, I'd be surprised if we somehow ended up with a last minute waggon on the one that was scum. You would think scum would be able to nudge it away from their buddy if that was the case- but no-one had a kind word to say about Maven at all.

That being said, from the quick look I had at the waggon, it didn't tell me very much. But I do feel like there is something to be gleaned from the way the votes moved around Day 1. For instance, who didn't vote Bardull. But I'm lazy right now.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Agreeing with Kary that we shouldn't massclaim. We don't want scum to obtain any clues on where our protective roles are hiding.

Before the two advocated lynches was Glyph and Joey, and with Glyph's most likely honest claim, it just leaves Joey.

Do you have an opinion of your own?

 

[Kantrip]

I had been thinking that it was weird that Maven got waggoned over FE when there really wasn't that much that either of them had done. Literally the best explanation for being on Maven was 'he's a question mark' which is surely also true of FE to some extent.

So assuming there's no difference between the two slots, and that they're probably not both scum, I'd be surprised if we somehow ended up with a last minute waggon on the one that was scum. You would think scum would be able to nudge it away from their buddy if that was the case- but no-one had a kind word to say about Maven at all.

That being said, from the quick look I had at the waggon, it didn't tell me very much. But I do feel like there is something to be gleaned from the way the votes moved around Day 1. For instance, who didn't vote Bardull. But I'm lazy right now.

thats... pretty reasonable actually

i feel like there was some circumstance that made people go maven over FE, although you are right that that distinction could have been pushed by scum. iirc it was maven tiptoeing around making the "im town" statement and doing nothing else but trolling, while FE was at least making an effort to contribute

if bardull is scum then im pretty sure maven was town, and i could certainly see a case in that scenario for scum to have pushed the maven lynch over a potential scum FE

 

[~ Gheb ~]

if bardull is scum then im pretty sure maven was town, and i could certainly see a case in that scenario for scum to have pushed the maven lynch over a potential scum FE

Would I be right in the assumption that you'd look for a FiE lynch in case Bardull flips town then?

 

[Kantrip]

Would I be right in the assumption that you'd look for a FiE lynch in case Bardull flips town then?

I mean I could see FiE scum on either Bardull flip but that doesn't mean there's a particularly strong case for it. It's basically PoE, but barring some jank **** with the masons or Bardull's result on you, on a Bardull townflip it's really down to Kary/Joey/FiE in my eyes.

That being said, I don't think Bardull will flip town and I think we'll be looking for his mate between yourself, FiE, and Joey.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

really doubt kary is scum, just saying

 

[Kantrip]

@#HBC | Joey

What do you think of Gheb?

@ Fire Emblemier

Assume Gheb shoots Bardull. Who do you think we should lynch if Bardull flips scum? What about if he flips town?

 

[Kantrip]

really doubt kary is scum, just saying

Is this based off of connections to probably-scum Bardull or something in Kary's individual play?

 

[Kantrip]

Also I'd still like to hear elaboration on why you think my claim is bull**** and why I'd be lying about it.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

if bardull is scum then im pretty sure maven was town [...]

Hmmm, do you have a specific reason to think so?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Also, I'd like it to be known that I'm pretty much set on shooting Bardull and will do so soon. If you think you have a legitimate objection to this course of action then you should speak up asap.

 

[Kantrip]

Hmmm, do you have a specific reason to think so?

i totally did have a specific reason when i posted that, but now i cant remember what i was thinking. let me read over again

 

[Kantrip]

Also, I'd like it to be known that I'm pretty much set on shooting Bardull and will do so soon. If you think you have a legitimate objection to this course of action then you should speak up asap.

so you have confirmation that regardless of the flip your shot won't end the Day, right? I feel like you said something to that effect

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Yeah, I asked Ryu about it in our conversation topic and he said it wouldn't end the Day phase.

 

[Orboknown]

I'm cool woth that bardull shot.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Is this based off of connections to probably-scum Bardull or something in Kary's individual play?

mainly how he's interacting with you. i'd really like to see his reads narrow down though because he's being very gheb style blanketing the game in "everyone's bad, therefore, i don't specifically care about lynches" it's something that's null but worth wacthng

 

[Kantrip]

mainly how he's interacting with you. i'd really like to see his reads narrow down though because he's being very gheb style blanketing the game in "everyone's bad, therefore, i don't specifically care about lynches" it's something that's null but worth wacthng

Are you scumreading me?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Shoot: Bardull

@ #HBC | Red Ryu

I'll reread as soon as we get that flip.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Are you scumreading me?

no

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

rip bardull.

inb4 scum dayvig, inb4 scum gunsmith.