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DtJ Glyphmoney

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To see what would happen. This is not the time to address that though. Think before you bring stuff up
 

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I had no qualms checking the statement, lol. Think about it though: if you're actually masons, then you guys condemn each other as potential scum mates, so it's fine to leave you alone and for me to just check someone else. There's also the fact that people wanted me to check someone and to not check your claim, and it's not like I need edplayers on my *** anymore than they already have been this game.

Anyway, briefly looked over what has been said thus far, and I'm tripping out with regards to the number of clears and potential investigations we have.
yes but there's no danger cause we know what we are. It's not fine cause if you actually believed we might be scum you'd wanna take the chance on that result. i dont like how your results are super safe and sold, your random check, ends up dead when all he was was "confirmed " by you, he was barely a presence beyond a pretty solid null town yet he ends up dead. doesn't add up
 

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Also, if it was kantrip that sent me that message that only confirms
Dude we have no idea how the flip hiding role works. Maybe it hides every lynch until it dies, maybe it has to pick players, maybe it's 1-shot and just decided to use it on the lynch.

Bardull is NOT ****ing wasting his ability on a dead man. He needs to stop *****footing around using his ability and we need to stop letting him. It ****ed up D1 and he's on course to **** up D2 as well. I have no problems lynching him if he's gonna do this again.
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Will be addressed later please man come on. Right now let this settle.
ugghhh why u gotta be like this.

I need to think. Might lynch bardull on my premises which you should comment on, i saw your early bit on bardull and it mirrors mine but do you think bardull takes that sort of gambit to the table as scum especially if mavens already gonzo as scum (i still say he was scum due to what i posted afterward. Also, what do you make of maven's "disappearing" flavor
 

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Ok THAT I can work with. Looking at how absolutely frazzled Bardull was immediately on D1 I'd say its much more likely a 'holy **** I can't believe I'm already pegged' reaction than I 'guys why are you being so mean to me I'm town :( :( :('. At that point I'd say he'd absolutely try a gambit of the sorts to eek out a little extra living time, which was successful but only delayed the inevitable. Literally the only reasons mafia would leave him alive and opt for Sold instead would be:

-some kind of deep seated grudge against Sold (bodied by him in the past maybe???)
-a massive gaff, like when Soup used his execution in blazblue mafia D1 and then claimed it afterwards (no way any combination of players on this list would make that mistake)
-Bardull is scum
-some other reasons I can't think of, but are massively unlikely (I'm including this since I used 'literally the only reasons' before so there's that)

Maven's disappearance should be pretty much discounted for now imo since we have no means of verifying anything about it. Could have been by someone on the lynch. Could have been a day ability. Could be one shot, could be every day. Way too many variables in play to make any semblance of a conclusion that holds any water.
 

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ugghhh why u gotta be like this.

I need to think. Might lynch bardull on my premises which you should comment on, i saw your early bit on bardull and it mirrors mine but do you think bardull takes that sort of gambit to the table as scum especially if mavens already gonzo as scum (i still say he was scum due to what i posted afterward. Also, what do you make of maven's "disappearing" flavor
You're not analyzing context. Was 100% down with checking your claim, you're just being raketarded. :p
 

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I wanna say Bardull is trapped into clearing people for us every Day but I realized we can't exactly trust his results if he's scum. If we do get him to investigate one of his mates he can just lie and we won't be none the wiser.

Hmm
 

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Bardull, why are you alive right now? I'm curious to see if you have any theories on that.
 

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Good, you've put thought into it already. That was a very fast reply.

Followup then. Should we lynch you?
 

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Alright, I'm gonna ease the paranoia a bit regarding my slot:

Gheb, Rake, or Orbo can make a claim toMorrow and I can check the validity of their statement, ASSUMING I'm still alive that is. At which point I can confirm their claim to be true or false.

It's a waste of an investigation, but if it shakes you guys out of the paranoia, then so be it?
 

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That doesn't answer my question at all. Say it outright.
 

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That wasn't a direct response to you, that was just an in general statement directed at recent FUD being thrown towards my slot.

I also didn't put much thought into it, it was pretty much Occam's razor I would say. :p

Your question is moot; of course I'm going to say no, especially since we don't know Maven's alignment and we could be walking into two mislynches in a row. If that's the case, we'd be facing MyLo/LyLo toMorrow.
 

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K I'm still down for Bardull today. Even moreso even.
 

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Outside of Glyph's play being kinda shallow, scum basically HAS to try and mislynch me at this point. Anyone throwing FUD at my slot is probably scum trying to clean up this mess of a game they've created by allowing me to live two days in a row, because it's the only way they're going to win.

We lynch Glyph. If Glyph flips Town, we see what happens at Night, then we can talk about lynching me once I've confirmed my lie detector is the real deal and if people still think I'm a problem (this would be really dumb though and if we lose because of it and you will hear no end of it from me). I trust Orbo, Rake, and Gheb to handle making the statement that I lie detect.

DO NOT FALL FOR THE FUD. Look over my play if you have to. Quit being nerds.
 

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'Oh PLEASE don't kill me I promise I'm town guys'
 

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Anyone throwing FUD at my slot is probably scum trying to clean up this mess of a game they've created by allowing me to live two days in a row, because it's the only way they're going to win.
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Yeah, EVERYONE who has a problem with your slot is probably scum looking for a mislynch.

Bardull's not looking for scum, he's looking for a reason to not die today. Bargaining for more time instead of actually doing things, and then slapping pressure on the easiest slots that already have attention on them. Its pretty cut and dry.
 

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You're just trying to take anything I say at this point and goggle it, lol.

Anyway, I'll be back later, I've got a movie to attend.
 

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Outside of Glyph's play being kinda shallow, scum basically HAS to try and mislynch me at this point. Anyone throwing FUD at my slot is probably scum trying to clean up this mess of a game they've created by allowing me to live two days in a row, because it's the only way they're going to win.

We lynch Glyph. If Glyph flips Town, we see what happens at Night, then we can talk about lynching me once I've confirmed my lie detector is the real deal and if people still think I'm a problem (this would be really dumb though and if we lose because of it and you will hear no end of it from me). I trust Orbo, Rake, and Gheb to handle making the statement that I lie detect.

DO NOT FALL FOR THE FUD. Look over my play if you have to. Quit being nerds.
Skimmed cuz on duty but that literally doesnt prove anything since we trust your word on veing able to check the statement in the first place
 

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Skimmed cuz on duty but that literally doesnt prove anything since we trust your word on veing able to check the statement in the first place
Should definitely read. Rake is being raketarded because he thinks I was trying to avoid confirming that you guys were masons. Zzzz.
 

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Reasoning for why I think we should hardbody Glyph:

Ok lets get this hashed out real quick

I'm Secret Squirrel, Town Gadget Holder. I'm responsible for Gheb getting his gun. His command to fire the shot will be kill: x. I'm also about to give him another power later toDay. Look forward to that one, Gheb!

Here's the gameplan here. Bardull's claim is (unfortunately) very unlikely to be true. Unless scum is just like absolutely ******** and think letting him pick up clears/guilties is ok. Even if they banked on us doing that, its hardly going to cripple town we'll just actually have to play at that point and I think there's enough smart people left alive to make it happen there.

SO, follow with me if you would as we walk down the path of what happens after we lynch Bardull. If he's guilty, NICE we hit scum and can reassess from there. I'm going to hold off on delving into that further until we actually see his flip, but do have some ideas. If he's actually town, then equally good! We've got a cleared Gheb, who I've given a gun, and will continue to pump so full of buffs that he'll be nigh unstoppable (I really think I was supposed to give these to a bunch of people but thats not going to happen). This is why I wanted him checked earlier since I was expecting Bardull to die during the night (WHOOPS).

Uh what else. Oh, I'd like to put forth a motion to bar Gheb from being on today's lynch at all in the off chance his hammer was responsible for the jan yesterday.

Ok so there's that. Now back to your regularly scheduled namecalling/mafia game
Here's my main qualm with Glyph's play: there's no rational backing behind why we should consider lynching me outside of 'well scum can just make up results from his position." This reads as either groundless paranoia, or scum trying desperately to deal with the problem at hand. There's no clear-cut backing, and it's almost entirely random considering he had me labeled Town before my claim. Fact: there isn't a way for Cop to confirm results in any game unless someone has an ability that can verify that his results are legit.

Not too related to why I think Glyph is scum, but I also don't really get why he has been on Gheb's nuts this game, pardon my French. It's true I cleared Gheb, but if Glyph suspects me of being scum, then Glyph should be looking at Gheb with the eyes of a hawk, especially since he is considering the possibility that Gheb is responsible for janitor'ing Maven. WHAT POSSIBLE TOWN INTENT COULD GHEB HAVE TO JANITOR MAVEN?! My clear on Gheb shouldn't be convincing to Glyph that Gheb is safe, thus it's inherently obvious that Glyph has a bit of a hard-on for Gheb for pretty much no discernible reason.

Ok THAT I can work with. Looking at how absolutely frazzled Bardull was immediately on D1 I'd say its much more likely a 'holy **** I can't believe I'm already pegged' reaction than I 'guys why are you being so mean to me I'm town :( :( :('. At that point I'd say he'd absolutely try a gambit of the sorts to eek out a little extra living time, which was successful but only delayed the inevitable. Literally the only reasons mafia would leave him alive and opt for Sold instead would be:

-some kind of deep seated grudge against Sold (bodied by him in the past maybe???)
-a massive gaff, like when Soup used his execution in blazblue mafia D1 and then claimed it afterwards (no way any combination of players on this list would make that mistake)
-Bardull is scum
-some other reasons I can't think of, but are massively unlikely (I'm including this since I used 'literally the only reasons' before so there's that)

Maven's disappearance should be pretty much discounted for now imo since we have no means of verifying anything about it. Could have been by someone on the lynch. Could have been a day ability. Could be one shot, could be every day. Way too many variables in play to make any semblance of a conclusion that holds any water.
Blatant disregard for Occam's razor, which is that Sold was killed because I cleared him and that Scum figured I was going to be protected. He also has blatant disregard for the subjectivity involved in deciding who I should have picked to investigate. I felt Sold was a good choice. Glyph was spazzing out about how Gheb was the better choice, but he can't actually objectively explain why he feels Gheb is the better choice...because he isn't. Gheb is not objectively better. I had no reason to check Gheb at the time as I was comfortable with him, and I don't really understand his obsession with Gheb to be frank. Sold on the other hand is harder for me to read because I literally never play with him. I haven't actually ever 'been bodied' by Sold, and I'm not nearly primitive enough to hold grudges in this game when I have better things to do. What, by Jove, is the explanation for how me choosing to pick Sold to investigate somehow incriminates me of being scum?

I just think Glyph is grasping at a whole lot of straws and goggling my slot for all the wrong reasons. He also really hasn't done much of anything this game outside of just that. Currently leaning scum and that he should die, but I'm interested in hearing if people think someone else should get wrecked instead.
 

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If Gheb can confirm someone gave him a gun, that makes me feel better about Glyph. It would be strange for scum Glyph to give a gun to a townie- and I kinda doubt Gheb is scum.

A Bardull shot seems perfectly reasonable, again he seems to be very concerned about his own slot which bothers me. If he flips town, we still have 3 'clears' and a good feeling about Glyph. I would look to Joey/Kantrip maybe FE after that.

I'm kinda banking on getting a flip after that shot, though. I would assume it only works on lynches but there might be a better plan somewhere.
 

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Confirming that I was given a gun by somebody. Confirming that I instantly concluded that Glyph was the one who gave my the gun via his claim, which is why I left his slot alone all game. Not surprised in the slightest by his claim.

Confirming that somebody forced me to adhere to a post restriction yesterDay. There's a reason nobody noticed it though: the role flavor I was given is "Gheb_01" so everytime I post words like "me", "I" or "myself" it would be considered in line with the restriction. Reading up now.

:059:
 

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I really, really doubt that Glyph is scum. If he is, he will probably be the last piece in our puzzle but right now I will not entertain the idea that he could be scum. Simply to make things a bit easier for the time being.

I don't actually know what happened with Kantrip leaking a message to Rake who handed it to Orbo. What's up with that? Is "Kary went nowhere" the message? How come Kantrip doesn't actually know what the message says if he is the one who sent it? How come he knows who receives the message but not what the message says? This is all sorts of fishy. I thought we wanted to "prove" that Rake and Orbo can communicate with each other? I don't think anything has been proven in that regard.

:059:
 

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the goal was never to prove they could communicate, but rather to find out what my ability does through the guise of confirming their communication

all my role tells me is that i can target someone to send them a message, however i dont know what the message says
 

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i also think glyph is unlikely scum
id personally like to leave bardull alive for one more Day and use his investigation again should he survive the Night. Should he be town, this will give us one more result to work with before ousting him. I'm going to operate on the assumption that he is scum though after seeing his interaction with Glyph.
if bardull is scum i dont think kary is and i may very well be tunneling, idk
shooting/lynching joey/FE seems like a favourable option to me at the moment
 

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im curious to hear karys reasoning for why maven was more likely town than scum

id also love to hear more from joey

@ BarDulL BarDulL - Who do you want shot? Who do you want lynched? Assume the answer to neither of these questions can be Glyph.
 

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id prefer not to get into that as it would distract from what i actually want to do toDay. youre not my focus right now
 

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but since i know youre not gonna be satisfied with that:

the way you assign scum intent to his actions makes little to no sense and reads to me like OMGUS from scum who is being attacked. saying he is scum because his scumread on you reads like "scum trying desperately to deal with the problem at hand" doesnt make any sense.

honestly, your interaction is filled with reaches and strawmanning and assigning nonsensical intent, partly from both sides, but glyph looks townier in it AND i dont see him being scum with his claimed role and confirmation of it from gheb. it seems like you are desperately trying to insinuate a connection between them or something but im just not buying it.
 
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