Ryker Mafia Is Over: Ryker Always Wins

[#HBC | ѕoup]

EBWOP: It doesn't imply VT but I don't have any abilities so it should be clear.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Spidey's scum-flip doesn't really surprise me, I gave them too much leeway, perhaps I even thought they were playing up to the standards I usually see of Xonar. I know it's contradicting but I do use a dash of meta of things.

If I were to actually look where scum would be in a Spidey scum-flip, I'd almost want to say Swiss, and the more I think about it the more it makes sense, but I'm going to have to re-read everything that Spidey is done.

I don't feel like *****ing anymore, I just want to move on from this and try and help out more, I know i've been slacking but me getting lynched on me slacking would be painful, this game almost reminds me of all the times I've been mislynched and all of those bad plays that occur. I can't make up for what I've done in the earlier game but I can make-up now.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

S-tier, I do have a question though: You say you planted a 'trap' on me.

Would I get confirmation of an action confirming that? It doesn't matter anyways because I'm sitting at home but I'm smelling another ****ty gambit from you.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Changing my mind about Swiss also, the push they have isn't SvS, mostly because it seems that Spidey is more so dragging Swiss, and even in the end he tries appealing to him once o twice.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Even reading into the little part of the day I can already see that Spidey was playing with an intention to keep his options open, his stances are limited and some are even skewed. I'm not at a big post by them yet but I will get there eventually.

 

[Swiss]

If I were to actually look where scum would be in a Spidey scum-flip, I'd almost want to say Swiss, and the more I think about it the more it makes sense, but I'm going to have to re-read everything that Spidey is done.

I would not pursue this line of questioning, especially as I am one of the only people against your lynch.

 

[Swiss]

Changing my mind about Swiss also, the push they have isn't SvS, mostly because it seems that Spidey is more so dragging Swiss, and even in the end he tries appealing to him once o twice.

Good, good.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

The push on Zapp they have doesn't read scum either, it feels forced and maybe even contrived, I understood the jump completely but the way everything has played out, so far, even as little as into the day I am on this re-read, is weird. Spidey came into this game headstrong and bullheaded, and really he kept that shtick up well, but the reasoning behind it doesn't make sense, and sometimes I feel that Spidey merely did that to have an appearance of fake confidence, maybe even to a point of being so bullheaded that they were town.

 

[Swiss]

Oh sweet Allegory scum reads.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@The people who think Dabuz is scum

why

Look at his early play.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Nothing really changes, I'm at the second part of a re-read with Spidey and he still plays this open game, Had spidey not flipped scum I probably wouldn't have even cared, but I think some things make more sense than others. Really, I don't see myself even with re-reading catching Spidey as scum, maybe on that small bit of RVS because it was complete ****, but everything afterwards is suprisingly mellow.

Does it lack town intent? ...Well...

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Everyone how many of us think there is an indy in this game? Who, besides Dabuz, do you think could be Spidey's scum partner?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm about to stop, maybe not even look at Spidey so much but maybe look at the people who interacted or suspected Spidey. This is getting me nowhere.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

End of page7.

Town buds:
Spidermang (Raz/Xonar)
Allegory
AM (Gorf/WashedLaundry)
S-Tier (Seph/Zen)

Town lean:
Swiss
giraffelasergun
The Account With No Name (Guus/John2k4)

Null:
dtjglyphmoney
J
Dabunz

Weird/scum lean:
Zapp Brannigan
JTB
Soup~


Note that some of these reads are based on Swiss's analysis. It's also great to have Allegory as a towny broski <333

Green I have as people who are town.
Yellow are possible partners.
J is J.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Red is inactive, people I don't have with a color are merely are a coin-flip, I like Allegory/Acrostic still but I'll look at Zapp's case.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Care levels dipped around page 11.

Overall thoughts on playerlist for the moment from Raz's head:

Glyph - Null, post more.
AM - I like these men. Relevant insight on current events.
No Name - Fine with you so far.
JTB -
Soup - His early posts bother me. Slight scum lean.
Allegory - Under my radar. Null.
GLG - Do not want.
Dabunz - Has slipped away since his early pressure. Slight scum lean.
J - Not yet "In" the game... aside from a restriction I remember seeing? I want to see this proven, the penalty is low enough.
Zapp - Fine with you.
S-tier - Hrngh. Not sure if Gusta.
Swiss - Keep on swiss'in.

]

I think his reads are more relevant than his content, call it what you want but they're more specifically telling with a scum-flip.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Off to do other things, I'll check the thread later.

 

[#HBC | J]

I really hate stupid people who mix up my reads and make me wanna do different things that I did not originally intend to do but bottom line.

Unvote

I'm re-reading.

 

[#HBC | J]

Checklist I need to do:

~Re-look at Soup
~Double-check Triple Check Zen
~Look at Allegory in more detail
~Swiss is town? Check this out.
~Look at Spidey connections in more detail
~Dabuz and GLG, need to re-look.
~Double check town reads on AM/Zapp

I abhor you guys for making me do so much leg-work.

One more thing:

@Mod: Request prod or replacement on Glyph

 

[#HBC | J]

Making notes as I go, Swiss-Bugboy are not scum together. Swiss' only plausible way of being scum is indy. Leaning that way with AM as well so they are fine with me.

 

[#HBC | J]

Soup is souper town.

What about this;

you discuss things with your hydra partner before posting. I don't want you to throw out dumb **** then go all like "hurhur hydra john" because that's typically guus, lol.

Why would I bus my hydra partner LOL.

>_>

I'm saying that you need to consult ****ing John before posting, because else you might get conflicting stances.

Will do, I'll also put [/pun] tags next time.

Feels like a disconnection between these two slots. TAWNN moving towards town>scum.

 

[#HBC | J]

Please elaborate on this. I'm more than eager to disagree, but I would like to hear your reasoning first.

Why? Isn't it your read?

Allegory's poking and prodding of TAWNN sits badly with me. Especially the first quote where I thought Zapp had a legit point against Allegory where he never pushed Soup but instead went to TAWNN (I feel though its more of a scum-point regardless of Soup's flip *might need this more as an info flip because his beginning posts at Spidey were terribad and his play isn't getting much better).

However,

I like Spidey.

I don't like Soup. I don't like Dabuz.

Vote: Soup

Your vote on Spidey is stupid. You seem to be voting on sides, and nothing is wrong with Spidey pressuring Swiss to answer his questions. I think they are very good questions too. What is your opinion on Swiss?

Swiss if you are at work STOP ****ING READING THE THREAD. GO TO WORK YOU SLACKER.

Swiss, do you really think Spidey is trying to get thread power? Is that his intention?

This quote looks really odd considering the flip of Spidey from Zapp's early play. Its an interesting dynamic that I need to look at the change of Zapp's thoughts.

Update:

Questioning Zapp/Allegory reads.
Soup may just need to be lynched
Swiss/TAWNN/AM are deffo leaning town.

 

[#HBC | J]

Gotta go but I'll try and finish what I am doing later tonight.

Not apologizing for cluttering the thread since its actually doing work.

 

[Swiss]

Making notes as I go, Swiss-Bugboy are not scum together. Swiss' only plausible way of being scum is indy. Leaning that way with AM as well so they are fine with me.

Why? What happened?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

V/LA for the rest of the day: Glaze Cutoff

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Skimmed. Will get to all comments later. I just wanted to address this for now.

I have the third lowest post count in the game. So I do find it ridiculous when people have stated that they didn't read my posts. I also wrote my posts in stream of consciousness after my push on TAWNN, so the material isn't even bulky or hard to trudge through. They literally are my thoughts on what I had to offer since I didn't have time to build up solid reads through reading and we were approaching deadline.

Soup~ I don't really understand why you claimed to be quite honest. You are at L-2 and no one seriously had a case against you. The move on your part really subpar and if you are lynched, you deserve to be lynched primarily on the basis that you reacted poorly to what you saw as an unsubstantiated wagon. Just my two cents.

Also Swiss, if you are re-reading, I suggest putting zapp on your ignore list and then running through the game again with everyone on ignore except for zapp. If you don't have time to read the latter, print it out and put it in your bathroom so you have nothing better to do than to read it while you are on the can.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

EBWOP: First paragraph, reading --> re-reading. Also my opinions still hold. They were just not substantiated or reviewed as much to my liking. And yes, I don't regret sharing them.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I was at L-1 actually and this wagon had no terms in stopping, my claim didn't even matter as I'm just a VT anyways.

 

[zapp brannigan]

@Soup:

What the hell is this @ bolded. I found it scummy, don't twist my words just because I was concerned, Spidey was acting completely weird regarding Swiss and how he was pushing him, I thought it was either RVS shenanigans or compleete bull****. I've been over this about twice now.

No you didn't, and that's obviously a lie. You later said you knew he was trying to goad for information, so this meant you knew he was doing something pro-town, no?

Even so, you never said you found what he did scummy. You even unvoted later on because of him 'being' stubborn. I'm not twisting your words, I am not that type of person to do that.

I am observing your actions and upon Spidey's flip this looks like you were distancing on Spidey and instead of thinking he was scum, you were trying to reason with him.

???? How does this concern me.

I put it there for context.

LOL NO. I was voting as a means of pressure, to see how he would react, to see what he would do. He completely ignored it even though I pointed out the reasoning towards Swiss and why their push was dumb.

What? You said you thought he was scum, and now you say you were voting for pressure? That was some pretty weak and useless pressure. I find you are lying about this.

Yeah. WHY DO I THINK I PUSHED SPIDEY FOR??? BECAUSE I THOUGHT THEIR PUSH ON SWISS WAS BULL**** OR RVS SHENANIGANS?? I HAVE SAID THIS THREE ****ING TIMES NOW.

I said that you were doing this to distance on Spidey. This was not scumhunting.

Doesn't concern me.

Context, again.

I didn't like the way Swiss responded but I Swiss well enough to have it put no more than Null.

I don't like this because one you never said this at first, and now after your burst of posting you even had a flip floppy opinion on him so obviously this got you no where. Remember that you were the one who told me that you can read swiss by working with him, yet still no read?

You realize the whole reason to that was because Swiss didn't answer the two questions about those specific players? I wanted informatoin out of him and why he was acting this way to such a small degree, Spidey's push was wack and his reasoning was sub-par at best.

Why would you care if his reasoning and push was crap? Let him push his stupid push. You don't know his alignment to worry about that. You know Swiss can handle himself so why did you bother?

He was being stubborn, no matter what I said or what I did it did not seem that his opinion would change, I tried reasoning with him but apparently he was having none of it. There is no reason to push something like this, and especially when the interaction that is going on can be fruitful. I'd like to ask myself sometimes if I should look at Swiss more if I think about it, because I thank you for bringing this up as it turns the wheels in my head. Why was Spidey so stubborn with this? Why does Swiss merely ignore him?

There was no reason for you to worry about it. He would have dug his own grave, and bam we would have had scum either way. Essentially if he didn't dig his own grave, and you saved him, you'd be neglecting us a scum lynch. Did you think about that before trying to reason with Spidey?

uhhh..NO ****.

I implied I was done, and that I was hungry.

When I eat and when I leave the thread doesn't mean anything

, I even go against my own word and stick around, because I tend to like the beginning of the day.

Yeah at this time I don't see any reason to believe you until your flip. If you flipped town then I wouldn't even consider this a tell anymore. Even so my case doesn't linger on this alone.

Because I already answered it and I thought the reasoning was clear. Why the hell are you bringing stuff up like this again? It makes no point, as almost as you're snowballing it. Ranmaru, you really need to think about what you say before you post it.

Because it's related to the RVS shenanigans dude. I felt like you didn't have an answer for you getting a read on Swiss, and then you got all... wally with me. Then considering how you still don't have a read on Swiss is odd, since you said you were working with him to get a read on him. Like I know you would if I poked at you alot... But I only asked you one question and you acted as if it was Pulp Fiction all over again. Sometimes I say things without thinking but I have a reason to say them and if you don't understand why I did please ask me to clear it up, not to shut up.

This is null.

IT WAS IMPLIED. I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT MYSELF.

NO I DIDN'T I THOUGHT HIS INTENTIONS WERE **** AND I WANTED TO REASON WITH HIM AND SEE WHERE THEY CAME FROM BECAUSE I HAD NO ****ING CLUE YOU'RE REALLY STARTING TO PISS ME OFF ****MARU, NO I DIDN'T THINK SWISS WAS SCUM WHY THE **** DO I THINK I PUSHED THEM.

Ey. This 'anger' seems forced and fake dude. I know I didn't piss you off and I feel this is more to get me off you. Again, there was no reason for you to reason with Spidey for his stupid push, so I found it odd that you were worried for him. Don't you think that would be a valid concern from me?

Also now after you yelling I didn't get your message from this quote, I didn't understand the last sentence about Swiss. Please re-state it in a calm manner.

This is awful. Read my responses. I'm not repeating myself because this doesn't add anything new to your case, it's just conclusion.

Ok, my concern is this. I have asked this plenty of times in this post so don't worry, just answer it in one place. Why were you concerned with how Spidey's push was stupid?

 

[zapp brannigan]

<snip>

Also Swiss, if you are re-reading, I suggest putting zapp on your ignore list and then running through the game again with everyone on ignore except for zapp. If you don't have time to read the latter, print it out and put it in your bathroom so you have nothing better to do than to read it while you are on the can.

Bold and Underlined, what would the purpose of this be?

 

[zapp brannigan]

@J:

This quote looks really odd considering the flip of Spidey from Zapp's early play. Its an interesting dynamic that I need to look at the change of Zapp's thoughts.[/QUOTE]

When you can please let me know how it looks odd.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Whoops quote fail. ;-;

 

[zapp brannigan]

Glyph views again and no post. Lol y u be so indy mang

 

[zapp brannigan]

I would not pursue this line of questioning, especially as I am one of the only people against your lynch.

Doesn't even matter. He's obv scum dead rat meat. Let em die.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Also to explain my behavior regarding Spidermang, the play had a lot of open holes, but nothing I could peg down with confidence as being scum intent. I didn't know how to interpret him being ok with dying, but there is no motive for scum to encourage that behavior asides from wifom and I thought that both Raziek|Xonar knew better than to rely on wifom to save their lives on a strong L-1 wagon. In other words, I didn't think Spidermang would have resorted to such a bad play as sole play to survive for the day, however such play does deserve a lynch. That was my bad though tbh.

This coupled with my assumption that we could peg down scumxonar later in the game through revealed roles, he claimed back up right, lead to my aberrant behavior at the end of the other day. I basically didn't trust this town to win without PR assistance which made Xonar tempting to keep alive in case we lost an investigative and his role would compensate. That's the crux of it. Have court. Will get to responses in two to three hours.

Vote: GLG

 

[The Account With No Name]

>post lolwut
>Don't explain why it is significant

Jesus christ, how can you not know what he means with it. It's dumb that you can't explain why you're ignoring a vote. And never explained it.

Aaaaah, double negative, so you did read and see I answered it?

Hold up son is you serious? Are you literally nitpicking this? You are nitpicking grammar as a defense? Jesus **** of course he didn't mean a double negative why would he even mention it.

>Bring up something random
>Don't explain relevance

It's not random at all, if it was he wouldn't bring it up.

>green text to refute point
>ignore questions asked
>never look at what another person could see in your posts

Great play man great play.

>Don't explain relevance

Did you ever state why you dislike that post?

Yes, numerous people did, and agreed it was scummy as hell and if your skimming as would actually read you wouldn't make dumb posts like these. Relevance was already explained YesterDay, you should look back. In fact I found that **** for you.
This is AM regarding the earlier quote:

O.o

...

No words...

I say it's scummy as FUHH tbh, especially if that's prior to Ruy's claim. He's totally try'na set up two lynches, and tbh it makes me feel like an S Tier Dabuz scum team... Like his logic's TOTALLY off where he wants to lynch S Tier on that SOOOOOOOOO BAD... but I'd rather leave a vig to that since there ARE bigger fish to fry like the lynching of Soup/Spidey.

>Bring up a discussion where I disagree with Meta as the reason for a read.
>State is was a defense of Soup
>Use my lack of a J vote in the case, don't explain relevance or even expand on anything.

dabuz why did you only unvote and not vote J who we were wagoning and who you wanted lynched before?

I am debating with as to whether or not you're scum is why. J is still scum though.

You have terrible memory. You literally said J was scum, never bothered to vote him to actually put on some damn pressure.
Defense on Soup, no opinion on that from me.

Soup~ I don't really understand why you claimed to be quite honest. You are at L-2 and no one seriously had a case against you. The move on your part really subpar and if you are lynched, you deserve to be lynched primarily on the basis that you reacted poorly to what you saw as an unsubstantiated wagon. Just my two cents.

QFE QFE QFE

I was at L-1 actually and this wagon had no terms in stopping, my claim didn't even matter as I'm just a VT anyways.

TERRIBLE SOUP WHAT ARE YOU DOING PLEASE DONT GIVE REASONING LIKE THIS.

This is what scum says after claiming VT and getting called on it. Trust me, I'm a doctor.


Will look at Dabuz more, read through pages 50-66 (15 ppp) and did not like Dabuz AT ALL. I'll come in with some more later, but consider John and me on board for both Soup and Dabuz lynches.

 

[The Account With No Name]

Also, Dabuz, where are your votes. You must have some scum picks, or are you too busy looking at your partner getting lynched that you can't think of "scum picks"?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm not scum. You're playing like you're in Pulp Fiction again.

No you didn't, and that's obviously a lie. You later said you knew he was trying to goad for information, so this meant you knew he was doing something pro-town, no?

Even so, you never said you found what he did scummy. You even unvoted later on because of him 'being' stubborn. I'm not twisting your words, I am not that type of person to do that.

I am observing your actions and upon Spidey's flip this looks like you were distancing on Spidey and instead of thinking he was scum, you were trying to reason with him.

You realize that I can form an opinion of something and have an ulterior motive to it, right? Yeah, goading for information implies 'pro-town' attirbutes but that doesn't imply that I think his actions were pro-town. You can goad for information all you want but I was trying to find the intent behind it.

I think it was pretty clear that I found his push nasty.

You're right Ranmaru, I was trying to reason with him. I was trying to understand where he was coming from and look into his intentions, how does this imply distance? Where is this potshot theory coming from?

What? You said you thought he was scum, and now you say you were voting for pressure? That was some pretty weak and useless pressure. I find you are lying about this.

A means of pressure has a meaning to it, does it not? What does that meaning imply? Why was I pressuring them? Once again, Ranmaru, you need to think about what you say before you say.

I don't like this because one you never said this at first, and now after your burst of posting you even had a flip floppy opinion on him so obviously this got you no where. Remember that you were the one who told me that you can read swiss by working with him, yet still no read?

Swiss hasn't been around to the small instances that I got to talk to Swiss, I had a town lean, but that isn't enough to solidify anything. I think from interaction with Spidey that Swiss is town, however.

Why wouldn't I care? Gain information out of it? Gain informaiton out of other players? These accusations are really weak.

There was no reason for you to worry about it. He would have dug his own grave, and bam we would have had scum either way. Essentially if he didn't dig his own grave, and you saved him, you'd be neglecting us a scum lynch. Did you think about that before trying to reason with Spidey?

There was plenty of reason to worry about it and I am justified, you are acting like it was clear-cut, I pointed out something that had merit to both me and town. I want to hunt both town and scum, and I want to get as much information as I can to decide which I feel a slot is. These accusations are really weak.

Yeah at this time I don't see any reason to believe you until your flip. If you flipped town then I wouldn't even consider this a tell anymore. Even so my case doesn't linger on this alone.

I think my activity talks more about it, I have more motivation in the early day to do things, then I just linger.

Ey. This 'anger' seems forced and fake dude. I know I didn't piss you off and I feel this is more to get me off you. Again, there was no reason for you to reason with Spidey for his stupid push, so I found it odd that you were worried for him. Don't you think that would be a valid concern from me?

Also now after you yelling I didn't get your message from this quote, I didn't understand the last sentence about Swiss. Please re-state it in a calm manner.

*deep breath*

The thought behind the push and the read I had on Swiss does not matter, what matters is the fact that Spidey pushed it. It doesn't matter if it was Swiss, the way it was done was grimy and bad, I could not see it as anything else other then ****ty reasoning/scum or RVS shenanigans. I gave Spidey benefit of the doubt due to RVS, also.

Ok, my concern is this. I have asked this plenty of times in this post so don't worry, just answer it in one place. Why were you concerned with how Spidey's push was stupid?

Because it concerns me and what read I have on them? If someone did something that bothered you, would you ignore or just let it slide? I acted on impulse of what I felt was bad, and I wanted to know more about the intention behind it. I can't believe i'm repeating myself again.

 

[The Account With No Name]

Green I have as people who are town.
Yellow are possible partners.
J is J.

How the crap did you end up with GLG as a town read?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

TERRIBLE SOUP WHAT ARE YOU DOING PLEASE DONT GIVE REASONING LIKE THIS.

This is what scum says after claiming VT and getting called on it. Trust me, I'm a doctor.

I seen no reason not to claim at L-1, the thought behind the rest is null and the explanation was only put there to describe my situation.