Ryker Mafia Is Over: Ryker Always Wins

[Aggressive Mediation]

Can you show me what post pushed you to lean scum on him? Also did you say anything about it back then?

Also one more question.

What is your opinion on Dabuz and his reaction to Stier's day cop thing?

No, but I know it was when Soup was talking about em he had some legit points, and from there I just realized that his play is just TOO what the eff for me. And yea, I even had my vote on em at one point.

Didn't really notice Dabuz' reaction to STier's Day cop thing, is it of real importance that you know my opinion? If so mind telling me post numbers/quotes?

 

[zapp brannigan]

Ah ok I gotcha.

Here's the quote, and yes I'm interested in your opinion on him:

Not sure whether to believe it. If we lynch JTB and he flips town, then I think it shows S-Tier is scum. If JTB flips scum on lynch, S-Tier can still be scum but it is more likely not a gambit and S-Tier is town.

 

[Gova]

1. Spidermang (1) Zapp
2. dtjglyphmoney ()
3. AM (1) Allegory
4. The Account With No Name ()
5. Red Ryu ()
6. Soup~ (3) AM, S-Tier, J
7. Allegory ()
8. giraffelasergun ()
9. Dabunz ()
10. J (2) Soup, Swiss
11. Zapp Brannigan ()
12. S-Tier (2) GLG, Red Ryu
13. Swiss ()

Not voting - Glyph, dabuz, TAWNN, Spidermang

With 13 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is April 8th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

 

[#HBC | J]

Zapp, why not join us on Soup?

 

[zapp brannigan]

I will actually. I was just talking with Vandy. : D

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

O.o

...

No words...

I say it's scummy as FUHH tbh, especially if that's prior to Ruy's claim. He's totally try'na set up two lynches, and tbh it makes me feel like an S Tier Dabuz scum team... Like his logic's TOTALLY off where he wants to lynch S Tier on that SOOOOOOOOO BAD... but I'd rather leave a vig to that since there ARE bigger fish to fry like the lynching of Soup/Spidey.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Vote: Soup

Me and van talked it over and we agree on Soup being scummy.

I had Soup as towny because I liked his vote on Stier. But then I didn't see him really committing on it, especially when he went on to J just cuz of self meta.

Soup has been avoiding Spidey and we don't like that.

 

[zapp brannigan]

O.o

...

No words...

I say it's scummy as FUHH tbh, especially if that's prior to Ruy's claim. He's totally try'na set up two lynches, and tbh it makes me feel like an S Tier Dabuz scum team... Like his logic's TOTALLY off where he wants to lynch S Tier on that SOOOOOOOOO BAD... but I'd rather leave a vig to that since there ARE bigger fish to fry like the lynching of Soup/Spidey.

Yeah I felt the same way. About Dabuz being wishy washy and trying to set up lynches.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Can I ask a question, out of total curiosity: I feel like you're really really invested in my slot, yet you have me as what seems to be your strongest town read. Why O.o?

 

[zapp brannigan]

Vandy has you as town. Like your reads fell in place with his thoughts.

I just don't like you. xD

Like I'm trying to re-evaluate you and S-tier. But I JUST DONT.

Like I'm trying to make sure you are legit.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Because, I see that Soup is being weird. And Dabuz/Spidey too.

So I'm fine with thinking it over. But I won't just let go of ya, ya know?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I suppose lol.

 

[S-Tier]

VanderZappBRannigan we agree with Spidey upon a Soup or J scum flip. His unvote on Soup was more than odd. And his random town read on dabuz is out there as well.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Do you think there's a connection between S Tier and Dabuz with that?

 

[S-Tier]

Game-related, your switch to AM is superficial and totally gross.

Ha what I'm not switching to him. He's just a wrong.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

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[zapp brannigan]

VanderZappBRannigan we agree with Spidey upon a Soup or J scum flip. His unvote on Soup was more than odd. And his random town read on dabuz is out there as well.

Yeah that is odd. Like he got a scum read on soup from one post, and then a town read cuz of... whaaa?

We can be friends again.

Do you think there's a connection between S Tier and Dabuz with that?

No not really.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i had soup as towny because i liked his vote on stier. But then i didn't see him really committing on it, especially when he went on to j just cuz of self meta.

#357-#46 7

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I don't understand the scum-read on S-tier for this at all, especially when nothing is set and stone, that couldn't be his actual role and he could be joking. I don't think Zen or Seph would be inane enough to blatantly claim their role regardless of alilgnment and hope someone thinks it's nothing more than b]null.[/b] Did you think about that in first hand? What do you think about the slot in general?

Quoting this because I remembered Soup using the fact that S-Tier claimed his role as reasoning for his S-Tier scum case.

I had a change of thought at the very end looking at the push comparitive to Spidermang/Them. Read what I ****ing say.

Soup is this your thought or are you agreeing that what GLG said was genuine?

It was my thought.

Ok, up to #477 and Soup never responded to my first question here. In this post he basically implies that he doesn't like S-Tier's claim. However, earlier he said to that S-Tier could be joking and it's nothing more than null. If I'm reading what Soup said correctly, this is a blatant contradiction.

I was merely showing the reasoning as to why I considered GLG to be genuine.

Also missed this earlier, so hindsight 101 but it's odd that Soup's immediate assumption is that Zen's play is role related. Townie's shouldn't be trying to fish power roles. Why is Soup thinking about this? Dislike.

It's because it's Zen, they guy who gambits Day Cop every game.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

If i'm going to be lynched on misinterpretation and meta, I will seriously thinkgabout quitting DGames.

J, did you read me yet? :3

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm willing to work with you J, A couple of pages back I was looking at Spidermang and S-tier and how they were pushing Swiss.

I haven't read your case yet, but I saw the vote.

Then act on is Soup. Join the spiderman wagon. You keep saying you will, but you don't

I said I would consider if S-tier satisfied my qualms, HE HAS STILL YET TO ****ING ANSWER ME. And now I have moved on.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm going to put this really blatant for everyone voting me, you're wrong. The cases on me haven't even been that great and people like Dabuz and No Name see how bad they are. I'm going to be stubborn here just like I am right now. Why? Because I can, and I don't feel the need to defend pot-shot accusations that really have no merit besides "Soup isn't playing to his meta and we can't read what he's saying."

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I think Allegory is town. I've been having a good vibe from them this whole game, I don't really delve into things but their intentions so far have merit and they are looking at things with their own taste. Kuz once said that a scum-tell on Acrostic was if he was fillering his statements, but I think that's just who Acrostic is.

I like Swiss, he could stop lurking and do more but I don't see reason to push this.

I like GLG, S-tiers push on GLG was ****-terrible and I would be voting him right now if I didn't see his incessant arrogant town-tells.

I like AM, maybe just the Washed side. I can clearly see their townie intention in most things, but I know gorf is flopping on me right now.

I'm null on JTB, I haven't even cared to look at his play but so far he still hasn't done anything worth a vote.

I'm null on Dabuz, another player I haven't really looked into, I've been ignoring some people so perhaps it's hypocritical.

I don't like J, his play reeks of self-preservation and his intentions don't match up, I wouldn't be surprised of a S-tier/J team if I really thought about it, but like I said I don't see it plausible merely because S-tier is arrogantly town.

Zapp Brannigan is a curious case that i've been looking at lately but I really haven't had the substance for much, I could say the same thing for Zapp as people has been saying for me, their vote pattern is weird. I feel like either Vandy is holding Ranmaru back for a purpose or they're just playing more passive.

I don't care for Spidey, and yeah it is for reasons for RVS, once again I've been slacking on this slot but I mostly play on intentions of people, I don't feel the need to look into things further than they need to be.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Anyone I forgot I just haven't really focused on, I know it's not the best play but I see no reason to waste my time with things that don't concern me or my reads.

 

[S-Tier]

Soup
It's not about meta.
It's not about misunderstanding.

The fact that you thought I claimed day cop doesn't matter. It's how you reacted to it that does. Let's assume I did claim day cop with a guilty on Ryu. People vote him to L-2 and he claims. Then you come in and say

"Great outed vig.

Zen why did you do that."

This for one is fake concern. Like seriously no one else reacted in this way. We simply moved on.
Second, you then claimed that you were trying to get to the bottom of what I was doing when someone questioned you. But you see, you weren't. The above is all you said when you came in. You weren't asking me anything. You were making a statement of concern "zen why did you do that!!! >_< ud" not "Zen what was your reason for claiming day cop?"

You see the difference? The latter is a legitimate form of questioning, the former is a rhetorical question.
You claimed that your rhetorical question was an actual question just to answer to Xonar's (I think it was him) suspicion of you not doing anything.

Now then thirdly, you continued to claim that you wanted to know why I claimed day cop. This is probably the thing that pins you most as scum. It's a completely fake question. There is no scumhunting process behind this question. There is nothing you can gain from my answer. You know why I would claim day cop. You even said that I do it every game, so then why are you acting like it is something new that you don't understand? You're acting like you've never seen it before and need to know the reasons for why someone would do such a thing. It's as fake as you get and this is why you're scum. Not because of meta and not because of your misunderstanding.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

But I didn't even care about you outing Vig, Red Ryu was not a concern of mine, the concern was you doing what you did. Do you not see that? Did you not see me blatantly ask "Zen, why did you do that?" my latter post even consisted of me saying you were lying about your day cop .

Second, you then claimed that you were trying to get to the bottom of what I was doing when someone questioned you. But you see, you weren't. The above is all you said when you came in. You weren't asking me anything. You were making a statement of concern "zen why did you do that!!! >_< ud" not "Zen what was your reason for claiming day cop?"

Yeah, I was still reading but I happened to find something of interest, which is what I said before. I even said I was skimming last page and I saw something about you claiming Day Cop and it instantly sparked my interest, I dropped my re-read to get to the bottom of it and ask you up-front as to why you did that.

Now then thirdly, you continued to claim that you wanted to know why I claimed day cop. This is probably the thing that pins you most as scum. It's a completely fake question. There is no scumhunting process behind this question. There is nothing you can gain from my answer. You know why I would claim day cop. You even said that I do it every game, so then why are you acting like it is something new that you don't understand? You're acting like you've never seen it before and need to know the reasons for why someone would do such a thing. It's as fake as you get and this is why you're scum. Not because of meta and not because of your misunderstanding.

I wanted to know your intentions behind the claim, and I still did. You apparently claimed Day Cop on the target you've been tunneling all game and I wanted to know why, the question that we're talking about wasn't rhetoric, it was looking for any kind of response to get some sort of medial statement. Am I speaking sense? Do you not understand what I'm coming from? Do I need to quote myself again? And of course, in the end, you didn't, and I felt like a ****ing idiot and misinterpreted something through Skimming.

So let's assume the rhetoric for a minute, and let's assume you did claim day-cop.

Why on JTB? I know you'd have reason as far as pressuring and pushing goes, but why at that sudden instance if you did? What do you think of the JTB slot now? Does his claim change anything?

 

[S-Tier]

So the only one's you have a read on are Allegory, glg, and J. Everyone else you left your options open/null:

I would be voting him right now if I didn't see his incessant arrogant town-tells.

maybe just the Washed side.

JTB, I haven't even cared to look at his play

null on Dabuz, another player I haven't really looked into

Brannigan is a curious case that i've been looking at lately but I really haven't had the substance for much...I feel like either Vandy is holding Ranmaru back for a purpose or they're just playing more passive.

don't care for Spidey, and yeah it is for reasons for RVS, once again I've been slacking on this slot

 

[ranmaru]

Not sure whether to believe it. If we lynch JTB and he flips town, then I think it shows S-Tier is scum. If JTB flips scum on lynch, S-Tier can still be scum but it is more likely not a gambit and S-Tier is town.

Soup opinion on this?

 

[zapp brannigan]

Soup opinion on this?

hydra lazyness

 

[S-Tier]

Why on JTB? I know you'd have reason as far as pressuring and pushing goes, but why at that sudden instance if you did?

I would do it to get reads/lynch him of course. What other reasons would there be? Those are the only intentions one could have -_-. Which is again why your question is fake. You even noted that I claimed it on the person I had been tunneling. Therefore the answer should be obvious.

Furthermore why are you asking this now as a hypothetical? It does absolutely nothing for you. Explain to me otherwise.

What do you think of the JTB slot now? Does his claim change anything?

Null & yes.

 

[S-Tier]

Holy ish VandeRan I didn't see what you meant at first with that dabuz quote. I didn't even notice that.

Alright Lynch Soup. Lynch dabuz. Lynch Spidey/J. We r da winrarz

 

[zapp brannigan]

Yeah dabuz was postin but didnt vote at all, he had cold feet so I asked em

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

So the only one's you have a read on are Allegory, glg, and J. Everyone else you left your options open/null:

Zen, you know me. I know me. I'm not going to bother with anything that doesn't concern me or my reads. Read my games.

 

[S-Tier]

Not voting - Glyph, dabuz, TAWNN, Spidermang

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I would do it to get reads/lynch him of course. What other reasons would there be? Those are the only intentions one could have -_-. Which is again why your question is fake. You even noted that I claimed it on the person I had been tunneling. Therefore the answer should be obvious.

Furthermore why are you asking this now as a hypothetical? It does absolutely nothing for you. Explain to me otherwise.
Null & yes.

I know that, but I'm talking about that instance. Why, if we're talking hypothetical, do it then and not before? Clearly we've been in this same day for a while now. This is dumb to talk about because you didn't but the answer is still important to me.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soup opinion on this?

I don't see the problem.

 

[S-Tier]

The answer shouldn't have any importance to you because it didn't happen so you're not gaining any insight into my intentions. You're full of tofu son.

To answer you: Day cops don't claim at the start of the day. Why would they investigate someone at the start of the day rather than after they had their reads? There's no reason for you to answer this.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Soup; What do you think of him being slow to vote along with stier at that time?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

The answer shouldn't have any importance to you because it didn't happen so you're not gaining any insight into my intentions. You're full of tofu son.

To answer you: Day cops don't claim at the start of the day. Why would they investigate someone at the start of the day rather than after they had their reads? There's no reason for you to answer this.

Umm, I clearly was concerned with your Day Cop sthick, why does it not concern me? And that's true, but you realize we've been in this day for about 5 real life days now? Why wait so long? This is still incredibly dumb and I'm just trying to bait a read out of you

 

[S-Tier]

Red Ryu doggy whistle activate! (I'm not sure if you name search, but hopefully this works.)

Yo can you put Soup at L-2.
dabuz & Guus as well. Or someone. Let's end this.