Ryker Mafia Is Over: Ryker Always Wins

[Aggressive Mediation]

jegus, i better just finish, all i'm doing is more *****ing and less analyzing.

also @xonar calling my analysis of his play shallow:

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I have no idea what you people want from me

 

[Gova]

1. Spidermang (1) AM
2. dtjglyphmoney ()
3. AM (1) Allegory
4. The Account With No Name ()
5. Red Ryu ()
6. Soup~ (3) S-Tier, J, Zapp
7. Allegory ()
8. giraffelasergun ()
9. Dabunz ()
10. J (3) Soup, Swiss, Dabuz
11. Zapp Brannigan ()
12. S-Tier (3) GLG, Red Ryu, FOOL
13. Swiss ()

Not voting - Glyph, TAWNN, Spidermang

With 13 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is April 8th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm considering self-voting but I'm not a *****, and I'm going to try and fight this somehow.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Soup would u vote spidey if u had to

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Xoni where the hell is your town read on dabuz coming from? I don't see your logic

Spoiler

/brann

Vote: J

I hate you so much please die.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Soup would u vote spidey if u had to

Zapp would you vote Spidey right now

 

[zapp brannigan]

Vote:spidey

Sure. There. Easier to say it this way on phone

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Good man. Soup, if you want to live, join us.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, but only as long as that enemy is alive.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Alright, I'm calm down. Analysis and explanation once I'm done.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm kinda driving IL to vengence atm but based on what reading I did do, lynching Spider is way more confortable with me. Even with Soup's recent posts, which really only one of them i found to be off to me.

And i can't name search due to the length of the words in my name.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Am you did it wrong.

You mean

"Soup, come with me if you want to live"

 

[zapp brannigan]

Alright RR. Vote Spidey then if you can now, since deadline is in two days. : D

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Deadline extension, meh. I didn't think I would need to announce it, but I'll be away from home for Friday & Saturday. I might still be able to do some quick actions on my dad's iPad in case a hammer is needed. To be frank, I don't have strong tells other than the ones I skimped out this morning. I don't want to see TAWNN, S-Tier, or Swiss lynched. Even though S-Tier's JTB/Red Ryu push the entire day just seems incredibly asinine and I couldn't get definitive substance from it, he is trying to push and create a lynch opportunity. I still don't see how JTB's play is scummy. It's certainly lacking in many regards, but the scum intent isn't smacking me in the face like it is for Swiss/S-tier.

Ranmaru asked me why I found J shifty, look at what I post and look how J reacts. No I didn't read J's list since I wanted to save that for after I finished my own. I'm mostly going off how I state that I want to give J a chance and J promptly starts pumping out a reads list and tells me the bad vibes on me have dissipated. I do an analysis on S-Tier, think he has had a questionable reaction, J tells me he has a scum tell (didn't elaborate as far as I know) and then offered him up as a secondary lynch. And yes, I apologize for skimming, but again I'm just outing out a lot of what I feel atm since I don't have the time to use this extension effectively and am forced to depart from trying to build up my reads gradually (**** takes up too much time).

Soup~ I asked you if AM was town, because as Spidermang noted he wasted a lot of his beginning play on discussing hydra discussion. I honestly don't see how or why someone would get so passionate about having the provision of masking their play. It is not pro town play. And I feel this way because I personally find the debate fruitless.

Either way I hate reading two separate slots that each do 1/4 of the work expecting the other half to pull their share of the weight. I also hate reading a hydra that is active, but has conflicting stances at every step of the game. So to me, the hydra problem will always be a perpetual problem, but it is not going to be the underlying problem that will be why town will likely lose this game.

A lot of these pushes have little to no weight. The player list is largely suspect or largely unavailable. But really I'm not really swooned by AM's play which from my experienced has swooned me on many an occasion. Tipping point on AM came when I offered myself to be pressured and he posted a rocket missle sign. Struck as me being such a cursory and surface response. Then again this was the same tipping point that caused me to dislike Spidermang's slot. Either they are both scum or my statement did deserve pressure. It is something that I need to reconsider from outside my own perspective.

Now I know I'm being a hypocrite. I've noted many times that my play could be better at many points, but for a senior cast of players the lack of pressure and heat in this game is jarring. Out of anything that has happened today, Guus's reaction to pressure has been the most vivid thing that has popped out of a game. I don't like players who have gone along with the flow of the game. And again look at me, the guy who wants to build up slow reads and only has recently decided to lazily stream reads as per lazy convenience. But no really, there is zero desire to have found anything happening in this game to be remotely desirable to not shift something to a more action oriented and effective atmosphere. Imo scum would have loved for the tunnels to have drone on, unless of course it was on them. Pressure on slots v. pressure off that slot needs to be weighed with how much apathy is too much apathy.

But more or less, I'm not particularly a fan of this slot despite it's constant presence in the game thus far and for some of the reasons aforementioned, I would have expected differently.

I honestly would like to have had more of a presence to do things, but that's neither here nor there. I can't argue it, and there's nothing for me to do about it. It's happened.

Why would I pressure you though, even for an offhand comment like "I deserve pressure"? Before that point in time, I had stated you were a townread of mine.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

You have no right not to support it. You don't even have any scum reads lol.

Spidey, you. Soup's a scum-lean.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

WAY back when. It's waned, but still a good 3rd pick behind Spidey/Soup.

As schizo as I can be at times, I love me.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

AND THEN S-TIER STARTS MAKING POSTS THAT I LIKE AGAIN

OH GOG WHY

/capsrage

 

[zapp brannigan]

Well, for starters.

Why did you like them?

I think the same happened to me but I will keep an eye on him. I think you should do the same.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soup would u vote spidey if u had to

Yeah. I would. I should look at his play again, maybe even take a step back and look at J again.

unvote

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I hate when I want to do things but I feel like being lazy about it.
Worst feeling ever.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Soup
It's not about meta.
It's not about misunderstanding.

The fact that you thought I claimed day cop doesn't matter. It's how you reacted to it that does. Let's assume I did claim day cop with a guilty on Ryu. People vote him to L-2 and he claims. Then you come in and say

"Great outed vig.

Zen why did you do that."

This for one is fake concern. Like seriously no one else reacted in this way. We simply moved on.
Second, you then claimed that you were trying to get to the bottom of what I was doing when someone questioned you. But you see, you weren't. The above is all you said when you came in. You weren't asking me anything. You were making a statement of concern "zen why did you do that!!! >_< ud" not "Zen what was your reason for claiming day cop?"

You see the difference? The latter is a legitimate form of questioning, the former is a rhetorical question.
You claimed that your rhetorical question was an actual question just to answer to Xonar's (I think it was him) suspicion of you not doing anything.

Now then thirdly, you continued to claim that you wanted to know why I claimed day cop. This is probably the thing that pins you most as scum. It's a completely fake question. There is no scumhunting process behind this question. There is nothing you can gain from my answer. You know why I would claim day cop. You even said that I do it every game, so then why are you acting like it is something new that you don't understand? You're acting like you've never seen it before and need to know the reasons for why someone would do such a thing. It's as fake as you get and this is why you're scum. Not because of meta and not because of your misunderstanding.

Simple: The reasoning's quality. It's not just stupid bull**** from S-Tier that had taken up the past couple of pages. He actually pulls out solid, well-thought-out reasoning that's not reaching for points.

So the only one's you have a read on are Allegory, glg, and J. Everyone else you left your options open/null:

And then backs it up with this.

I just found this funny.

But like, prior to this, I hated his slot. He walked in, said Spidey was town out of NOWHERE, and then started pushing Soup on a dime when Spidey is damn well not town at all.

I just realized his Spidey read just changed with no tangible reasoning for it fml

Then he turns around and starts pushing J. He's indecisive, and keeps leading town in circles. His reasoning was often bogus and his flips are weird as ****. They're indecisive and because, FOR SOME REASON, he has sheep now, people keep following him on his decisions when there's absolutely no time nor reason for it. Deadline was technically supposed to have passed by now and yet he was doing **** like that hours before deadline. Unbelievably anti-town.

Yet he continues this bull****. WHY?

also the "that was my other head" bull****, that can burn in a fire.

He's got to be the most aggravating read this game. He comes in, pulls out stupid bull**** on Swiss that he eventually pulled out to make sense, turns around, plays town, then comes in, does the things I laid out, and is now making sense. I hate this read. I had it as scum but that might be out of pure frustration. I hate this slot because it seems so indecisive at the worst possible time. I want it to burn in a hole and yet I find his input to be invaluable at times.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I hate when I want to do things but I feel like being lazy about it.
Worst feeling ever.

Burn in the ground.

 

[S-Tier]

I hate you so much please die.

wut? What did you not like about this?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

The fact that you sat there, pushed for a Soup lynch, and then out of nowhere flipped to J. So close to deadline. I mean, what the hell? What is there to like about that?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Burn in the ground.

Maybe I should, I tell myself I should re-read but instead I just want to skate through the day.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Soup just vote spidey man its ez

 

[S-Tier]

The fact that you sat there, pushed for a Soup lynch, and then out of nowhere flipped to J. So close to deadline. I mean, what the hell? What is there to like about that?

Oh you know we received an extension? J's reaction to the Soup wagon was nastier than Soup at that point hence why I voted him.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Alright, Spidey/Soup now.

Soup's reactions are ********. He got called out perfectly on what he was doing, then panicked like scum. His recent apathy is definitely sincere but it's not particularly telling. He just...my gog, he scum-panicked. There's really no other call for it, he started scrumbling almost immediately after called out. Strawman'd the entire wagon against him and then gave up.

But this pales in comparison to everything Spidey's done. I've found posts of Soup I liked. I have maybe one from Spidey, if that. His early game play was ****, and nothing he's done since then has made me feel better about his slot. His analysis of Soup was entirely dependent on unprovable bull****, at least the early part, and the only defense he had to my reasons for voting him was to call my analysis shallow or a misinterpretation without ever directly explaining why. He responds with a metric ****ton of one-liners. And yet, WITH BOTH PLAYERS, he 180s at a very awkward time. He hits a certain post # and suddenly is okay with my slot. He just suddenly unvoted Soup at a very awkward time. His play is absolute ****. If he is lynched, I'm 99% positive he'll flip scum. I'm tired of yelling until I'm blue in the face, but Spidey should be the play today and it's surprising and entirely stupid that Soup and J are being considered over him?

AND THERE'S SOUP GOING OUT OF HIS WAY TO GET LYNCHED. Jegus.

@S-Tier: I know now. I didn't know for how long. Regardless, I damn well don't approve of it. Now is the time to be converging on a lynch, and yet you keep the door open between Soup and J. Why?

Explain why J's reaction was so nasty, I'm not exactly seeing it. I find J in the nulls, he's being aggravating to read as well, for the exact reasons you are.

 

[S-Tier]

the "that was my other head" bull****, that can burn in a fire.

It didn't even matter. One of us said "we would only be here for a second". The other comes in and talks to Allegory and J goes "oh but you have time to talk to allegory?". Like why would that even matter?

Now with regards to your point, there was nothing wrong with us saying that because it wasn't about conflicting reads, it was about being online. So it's not like we were making hydra excuses or something. Context Laundry, context.

I was going to answer to another thing you said against us but I forgot so it probably wasn't important.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

J I think there is a definitive alignment tell in S-Tier's response to mine. I definitely have the feeling that I janked his chain. What reads do you get from his response to me? J first. I also want Swiss to comment after J, if possible.

S-tier dropped a delicious little scum-tell in his response to you and should burn for it.

Context applies, huh?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

It's not even about giving up, it's merely that I don't think I've done anything wrong and the accusations against me are bad. I haven't said stick a fork in me, I've said I have no idea why i'm being pressured and I just can't help but reference my own play this game, as it should be telling enough.

 

[S-Tier]

Oh I didn't even notice that. The other head thing was in reference to him calling us out for saying we would only be here for a second and then talking with Allegory. I see how you could have confused that though.

yet you keep the door open between Soup and J. Why?

They are both scum haha it didn't matter. I was expressing that I would like to see either gone.

Explain why J's reaction was so nasty, I'm not exactly seeing it. I find J in the nulls, he's being aggravating to read as well, for the exact reasons you are.

I'll pass since I've already done so.

By the way we should lynch Soup over Spidey. Mainly because if Spidey is scum, he was willing to be bussed/lynched earlier until I saved him. Where as Soup has been frantically flailing signaling that he is of more importance to scum.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Really? I felt soup was avoiding spidey cuz spidey may be a scum pr or something.

He hasnt voted him yet...

 

[S-Tier]

I could see that too. I'll do whatever, I just want to lynch one of those 4 now and move on.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

@Soup: You've already found S-Tier's reasoning. I saw you responded to it. Don't lie to me.

@S-Tier: Spidey. Please, for the love of gog, Spidey. Soup will at least be here and give us a vote in the worst case scenario.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Please. >_>

 

[S-Tier]

Vote: Spidey

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Soup: You've already found S-Tier's reasoning. I saw you responded to it. Don't lie to me.

@S-Tier: Spidey. Please, for the love of gog, Spidey. Soup will at least be here and give us a vote in the worst case scenario.

Yeah. I did. Is that enough? Apparently not.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Soup plz vote spidey

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Yeah. I did. Is that enough? Apparently not.

Actions speak louder than words.