Ryker Mafia Is Over: Ryker Always Wins

[#HBC | J]

I should have been more clear. I should have said "what" not "where" because you had given that answer.

 

[S-Tier]

Vote: Soup
Vote: J
Vote: Soup
Vote: glg
Vote: J

J it doesn't matter how scum gets lynched so long as they are lynched.

 

[#HBC | J]

Then why are you trying to lynch town?

 

[Gova]

1. Spidermang (3) J, Zapp, Allegory
2. dtjglyphmoney ()
3. AM (2) FOOL, FOOL
4. The Account With No Name ()
5. Red Ryu ()
6. Soup~ (3) FOOL, Spidermang, AM
7. Allegory ()
8. giraffelasergun ()
9. Dabunz ()
10. J (3) Soup, Swiss, S-Tier
11. Zapp Brannigan (1) FOOL
12. S-Tier (2) GLG, Red Ryu
13. Swiss ()

Not voting - Glyph, dabuz, TAWNN
With 13 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is April 8th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

 

[#HBC | J]

@Mod: Why does Soupa now have 2 FOOL votes?

 

[Gova]

I confirm that all public vote counts are not strictly accurate.

I.E Fool votes do nothing and do not count towards the lynch.

 

[Spidermang]

unvote

Consider my vote on J for now though. I have no time atm, but managed to get on a computer real quick.

Don't like Soup coasting by. He's active. Don't like J's push at all, but I was doubting myself because I figured it could've been his restriction. Whatever. I'll vote when I'm fully caught up.

About the question what changed, I'd have to look at the posts once again. I do think I mentioned that most of my dislike for AM was gut though. I didn't like Washed partial armchair behavior in combination with aggression and wasn't fond of Gorf's aggression overall either, but I might be confusing games, I'd have to look at the posts. But their posting style changed there imo.
I'll get back at that.

 

[Spidermang]

S-Tier, why Giraffe?

 

[S-Tier]

 

[S-Tier]

J it doesn't matter how scum gets lynched so long as they are lynched.

I find that hard to believe.

10. J (3) Soup, Swiss, S-Tier

Right .

 

[S-Tier]

S-Tier, why Giraffe?

I wouldn't lynch him over the other two. He's null. I don't care for him one way or the other.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Deadline extension, meh. I didn't think I would need to announce it, but I'll be away from home for Friday & Saturday. I might still be able to do some quick actions on my dad's iPad in case a hammer is needed. To be frank, I don't have strong tells other than the ones I skimped out this morning. I don't want to see TAWNN, S-Tier, or Swiss lynched. Even though S-Tier's JTB/Red Ryu push the entire day just seems incredibly asinine and I couldn't get definitive substance from it, he is trying to push and create a lynch opportunity. I still don't see how JTB's play is scummy. It's certainly lacking in many regards, but the scum intent isn't smacking me in the face like it is for Swiss/S-tier.

Ranmaru asked me why I found J shifty, look at what I post and look how J reacts. No I didn't read J's list since I wanted to save that for after I finished my own. I'm mostly going off how I state that I want to give J a chance and J promptly starts pumping out a reads list and tells me the bad vibes on me have dissipated. I do an analysis on S-Tier, think he has had a questionable reaction, J tells me he has a scum tell (didn't elaborate as far as I know) and then offered him up as a secondary lynch. And yes, I apologize for skimming, but again I'm just outing out a lot of what I feel atm since I don't have the time to use this extension effectively and am forced to depart from trying to build up my reads gradually (**** takes up too much time).

Soup~ I asked you if AM was town, because as Spidermang noted he wasted a lot of his beginning play on discussing hydra discussion. I honestly don't see how or why someone would get so passionate about having the provision of masking their play. It is not pro town play. And I feel this way because I personally find the debate fruitless.

Either way I hate reading two separate slots that each do 1/4 of the work expecting the other half to pull their share of the weight. I also hate reading a hydra that is active, but has conflicting stances at every step of the game. So to me, the hydra problem will always be a perpetual problem, but it is not going to be the underlying problem that will be why town will likely lose this game.

A lot of these pushes have little to no weight. The player list is largely suspect or largely unavailable. But really I'm not really swooned by AM's play which from my experienced has swooned me on many an occasion. Tipping point on AM came when I offered myself to be pressured and he posted a rocket missle sign. Struck as me being such a cursory and surface response. Then again this was the same tipping point that caused me to dislike Spidermang's slot. Either they are both scum or my statement did deserve pressure. It is something that I need to reconsider from outside my own perspective.

Now I know I'm being a hypocrite. I've noted many times that my play could be better at many points, but for a senior cast of players the lack of pressure and heat in this game is jarring. Out of anything that has happened today, Guus's reaction to pressure has been the most vivid thing that has popped out of a game. I don't like players who have gone along with the flow of the game. And again look at me, the guy who wants to build up slow reads and only has recently decided to lazily stream reads as per lazy convenience. But no really, there is zero desire to have found anything happening in this game to be remotely desirable to not shift something to a more action oriented and effective atmosphere. Imo scum would have loved for the tunnels to have drone on, unless of course it was on them. Pressure on slots v. pressure off that slot needs to be weighed with how much apathy is too much apathy.

But more or less, I'm not particularly a fan of this slot despite it's constant presence in the game thus far and for some of the reasons aforementioned, I would have expected differently.

Unvote, vote: Aggressive Meditation

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Offer Draw

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I am not in support of the J lynch and have no idea what sort of case can be compiled considering his current play.

And do I really have to read that Acro? It's so long O.o... I will when I get back pinky promise.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I am not in support of the J lynch and have no idea what sort of case can be compiled considering his current play.

And do I really have to read that Acro? It's so long O.o... I will when I get back pinky promise.

You don't have to, there's really nothing with strong poignancy in it for me to pull town to effect your lynch. And at the same time, I'm not entirely sure that's the pull I want to go in without having done an iso on your slot. But I gotta say that if I had day vig powers available to me once per day, I would probably shoot you before I left for vacation.

You should probably be more concerned with Spidermang if he does find your push to be merited. I was hoping to see if Spidermang could give me a secondary opinion since it seems he has been verifying a lot of feels that I've been feeling, so you might want to save your effort if he does find that sufficient suspicion is enough to push on it.

tl;dr: Don't waste your time if you don't got it.

 

[S-Tier]

Are you two ****ing kidding me? AM are you ****ing kidding me?

 

[S-Tier]

Vote: Am
Vote: Soup
Vote: J

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Im sorry i support the J lynch can i be town again?

What's your schtick S Tier? Umad cuz im abhorrently against the J lynch, or mad that im defying you?

Acro please gimme your take on this clown -.-

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Dammit will quote once i get to a comp.

 

[S-Tier]

You have no right not to support it. You don't even have any scum reads lol.

 

[S-Tier]

Just because J made a big post does not make him town. Didn't you have a scum read on him before that?

Vote: Soup

 

[S-Tier]

zapp brannigan 162
S-Tier 143
Soup~ 134
Aggressive Mediation 105
Spidermang 91
J 62
Swiss 59
The Account With No Name 54
dabuz 38
Allegory 37
Gova 24
JTB 19
Xonar 14
Red Ryu 11
DtJ Glyphmoney 7
Ryker 6
giraffelasergun 5
Gorf 4
Sephiroths Masamune 2
Jim Morrison 2
vanderzant 1
Raziek 1

Vote: J

 

[zapp brannigan]

Sorry guys, rl got hectic these last couple of days. Gonna start catching up soon. Might not be able to before the deadline (Zen when is the deadline btw?) but I'll try.

 

[S-Tier]

Deadline is April 8th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

Vote: Soup

 

[#HBC | J]

S-tier, I want a case from you on one of myself/Soup. Something that actually shows why you have us as scum.

That's not unreasonable to ask at all.

Another thing:

Just because J made a big post does not make him town. Didn't you have a scum read on him before that?

No one has said/inferred this about me so why bring it up? Stupidity is everywhere this game.

 

[#HBC | J]

I just deleted a rather long post/rant to Zen, but I'm containing that one for another time.

Game-related, your switch to AM is superficial and totally gross.

 

[S-Tier]

Yo J just vote soup yo

 

[#HBC | J]

Vote: Soup~

We are having a talk, btw.

A nice long little chit-chat.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Elaborate.

Late response sorry, but I believe S-Tier appeared genuine in his interactions with Swiss. In fact, he technically wasn't the instigator in the back in forth. I see this post as the basic start of the Swiss/S-Tier interactions. S-Tier might have been trying to push Swiss' buttons by calling him a noob, but to me it looks as he was simply responding to Swiss' comments. Overall I read the situation as Swiss firing up at S-Tier for not tagging his posts, who then went along with it, with intentions to garner a read.

On this note, here is a post which summarises your case at the time on S-Tier:

Because they were being pretentious and trying to goad Swiss when they should both know that doesn't work. They literally did the same damn thing Spidermang did, context in all.

hurr durr pressure swiss with fake appliance so we can read him

You suggest S-Tier is scummy for applying pressure to swiss, yet curiously I don't remember you being on Spider's case for doing what you say was the exact same thing. In fact you were very quick to tell Spidey that this sort of pressure wouldn't work, without letting it play out or trying to guage intent from Spidey.

You voted Spidey in #36

You then acknowledge that Spidey was trying to goad Swiss with fake pressure

You then remove your vote in #62, without ever acting on your vote. This is largely why I was interested on your thoughts on Swiss/Spidey, because you never really vocalised a scum suspicion of Spidey, but now you're preaching to the choir about S-Tier doing what you said was the same thing.

I can agree with that sentiment, I just feel that they backed down for no reason, and that the zealous gig they were pulling was fake. The way they played that situation didn't feel like it had a goal in mind, it felt like they were jerking Swiss' chain and seeing which way he tugged.

Hence why I believe this to be reaching. S-Tier was for the most part reacting to Swiss' outbursts. If we agree that a Hydra refusing to tag his posts is a null tell, I don't see why a Townie wouldn't react to being told to die for it. Ofc his reaction is also null, but I don't see why a Townie wouldn't defend their position on a playstyle choice, when the only reason why they shouldn't is "Swiss doesn't slip to fake pressure so arguing with him is a waste of time."

I don't understand the scum-read on S-tier for this at all, especially when nothing is set and stone, that couldn't be his actual role and he could be joking. I don't think Zen or Seph would be inane enough to blatantly claim their role regardless of alilgnment and hope someone thinks it's nothing more than b]null.[/b] Did you think about that in first hand? What do you think about the slot in general?

Quoting this because I remembered Soup using the fact that S-Tier claimed his role as reasoning for his S-Tier scum case.

Vanderzapp consider our vote yours for the rest of the day.

Off topic but lol i only just got why you called me Vanderzapp >.<.

It's not exactly the same, regarding myself, but both of them are pretty cut-throat.

#39-#69 Is the bulk of the argument.

I do like this though, and It makes me want to re-read Spidermang. They both have different ways of goading Swiss.

Lol at this making the response I did slightly mundane >.<. The point still stands though.

You said Spider was trying to fake pressure Swiss. You vote him but don't ever really call him scum for it. You said S-Tier was trying to fake pressure Swiss. You vote him and push him with a fiery vengeance. Why

I find your GLG vote a bit weird too, I found GLG's response genuine and the explanation insightful, I don't think there was a lot of reason to simply claim your role just because your hydra partner didn't get the PM. All that did was create a blanket of wifom.

Ok, up to #477 and Soup never responded to my first question here. In this post he basically implies that he doesn't like S-Tier's claim. However, earlier he said to that S-Tier could be joking and it's nothing more than null. If I'm reading what Soup said correctly, this is a blatant contradiction.

I'm just literally baffled at this, there has to be some reason Zen is doing this. He is not this bad and I refuse to believe that him just sitting down and taking it doesn't have sort some of background meaning to it, perhaps regarding his role.

Also missed this earlier, so hindsight 101 but it's odd that Soup's immediate assumption is that Zen's play is role related. Townie's shouldn't be trying to fish power roles. Why is Soup thinking about this? Dislike.

He kinda told me that he would be the one to decide the lynches.

Misinterpretation much?

Did you seriously take Swiss' #16 at face value? When you even said that you wanted "the honour to butt heads with Swiss." Really? I don't believe it.

And misinterpretation no. You showed you're not willing to cooperate with Swiss' demands here, however when Ran didn't succumb to Swiss' demands, you're all over him. I find this odd; was Ran scummy to you at this point?

Spider's reads. No substantiation for your scum reads at this point.

Almost wanna take this as an implication of having read through the thread prior to starting a response.

Oh wow I missed this. Good point, I hope this is developed. AM for Town hero. Would probably lynch Spidey on this point alone.

#521: Aka finally some analysis from Swiss. He picked up the Soup weirdness as well, cool. Agree with the townie points for No Name.

@Swiss: Yes the sheriff thing was a pre game joke.

I'm down with being pressured. However, I won't respond until tomorrow. Currently absorbed in What the Dog Saw and Robert Sapolsky's lecture series on the Neurological Origins of Individuality.

Weeeiiirrrddd

Restriction is called Disrespect. If I am found by either mod to be acting respectful towards any player, I lose my vote for 12 hours. If I vote in that time period, something happens that I wouldn't want to.

Ya dig? If not, too bad.

I like this from you Swiss, did someone have to help you reach this? I want to put my vote on Allegory but I will have to research his posts more when I'm not drugged up. I just remember most of them leaving a bad taste.

Zen, you are playing extremely hectic this game.

Disrespectful J? That isn't going to be fun at all :- (.

#540: Dabuz's reads. Still null on him, like some of the analysis but don't like the S-Tier vote (though I can understand why it's there). I wanna say he's town but am afraid I'll get burnt. So null.

More Zen town tells.

@Ran: If you're reading I'm skimming your posts ; - P

@J: Who is bug boy btw?

Nullish on J. I feel he's trying hard to be on Swiss' good side, which is raising red flags. He's talking about his tells too. @Zen did you get this vibe?

---

Up to reading page 16, breaking for a bit because family are coming over soon. Reads at this point:

S-Tier/AM are town, Swiss can be town too, though I always exercise caution.
I'd put No Name, Dabuz, Allegory as town but my reads of them are not as strong. Fine with them living today.

J is nullish, but he's entered the game weirdly and I'm not a huge fan.
JTB I like some of his pushes, but want to see where Zen is going with his case on #631

Ran told me the play was between glg/spidey/jtb. I can dig a Spidey lynch. I also dig a Soup lynch. I'd submit to a glg lynch but Spidey/Soup worry me more for reasons I outlined. I think it's just glyph left. Whatever on him, but at this stage he hasn't done anything.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Deadline is April 8th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

Vote: Soup

Oh cool we have time then. Ran told me the deadline was today (or tomorrow? timezone weirdness).

I like this developing Soup wagon. Last time I checked Ran had them as town >.>. Will convince him otherwise ; o

 

[zapp brannigan]

To further clarify what I mean in my first paragraph of #989 (as upon rereading this doesn't fully articulate what I'm trying to get across), I don't think S-Tier went in with a plan or intentions to get up in Swiss' grill. It just sort of happened. Swiss barked at Zen and Zen barked back.

 

[S-Tier]

unvote

still reading.

Seph's computer is repaired? Sweet. I missed the guy.

Not yet bro. I'm a mobile device warrior now.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Did you intend for those posts to be taken seriously or as a joke?

That post was from a while ago, but it does seem weird that he wouldn't have had even a lean at the time anyway.

It strikes me as offkey though that he would have posted that remark to ran when he is playing in the same slot as ran. I can understand the disagreement in between play styles, but I don't think he should have publicly stated that he disagreed with Ran's style.

I have a flight to catch, V/LA Until Monday.

Oh I had null/slight scum leans, I just didn't have any (strong) scum reads. My only strong reads were Town.

And it's good for hydra buddies to communicate, no? This is all highly irrelevant though.

#646 Like this from Acrostic.

J's catch up post. It's ok. His reads line up with mine, but I'm still not getting obvtownie vibes. But he's playing ball so I'm ok.

I'm willing to work with you J, A couple of pages back I was looking at Spidermang and S-tier and how they were pushing Swiss.

I haven't read your case yet, but I saw the vote.

Then act on is Soup. Join the spiderman wagon. You keep saying you will, but you don't

A concern of mine in looking at the Zapp slot has been the fact that Vanderzant hasn't really struck me as taking central interest in this hydra and making a push. Instead it seems like Ranmaru is the dominant personality. I am curious as to why Vanderzant is deferring to Ranmaru when his analysis would be more trustworthy in convincing town to follow through on the slot's lynch, would do a reread to see if my impressions though are substantiated.

I've been V/LA. And do you see how often Ran posts? I can barely get a word in ; - P. Also what do you mean by deferring to Ran? If anything I've been completely ignoring Ran's reads/play and doing my own thing.

@Zen: From reading the last page, it seems you're thinking Soupa/J scum team, Posts like these. make me think otherwise, unless there's some heavy distancing going on.

No Name votes spidermang. Cool they can be town.

I don't see a S-Tier lynch happening toDay.

unvote

I would like to see a J lynch

Vote: J

Weird vote choice.

Then he votes JTB. Dabuz can join Soup/Spidey.

@Acrostic: Why are you doing PBP analyses on everyone? Is this normal for you?

Ran the deadline is tonight.
Allegory I like how you call glg scum for his first few posts yet find me doing so comedic.

You guys can still switch to Ryu. Spidey is black box. JTB is surefire scum. And based on meta (mmMM good ol' meta) Xonar is town. I think. Don't really have the time to go over it for now. Except that maybe I day copped JTB?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JUCfX1P1ik

You spelled Ryu wrong

Not sure whether to believe it. If we lynch JTB and he flips town, then I think it shows S-Tier is scum. If JTB flips scum on lynch, S-Tier can still be scum but it is more likely not a gambit and S-Tier is town.

Did you guys not see this scum slip? Swiss tell me I'm right here.

Wait you're setting up a Zen lynch by asking me that question.


I haven't read a lot, but from what I remember, I won't vote him. To save my own life, sure. But not beyond that.

So if you want to convince me, what about explaining to me why he is scum instead of trying to get me to vote him based on an "entirely null" action from Zen.

This Swiss face is highly applicable lol.

Yeah not ok with Spidey lynch. Everything but #791 in this last page has been town.

No Zen, don't desert me now.

I'm Ryker, the Violinist of the Ballistic Serenade.

I'm a vig that loses it's powers if I shoot town.

idk if he crumbed it or not.

This claim. It can roll. Lol at you being vig in another game. Shoot Spidey/Soup.

dabuz why did you only unvote and not vote J who we were wagoning and who you wanted lynched before?

Yes. We lynch him after Soup/Spidey

Dabunz is town mang. But I must say I'm influenced by earlier posts he made.

What are you. Had you even caught up by this stage?

Pray I don't decide this.

No NOT AGAIN lol. Please think before you shoot ; - P.

Spider got a scum read off of one Soup post and now he's retroactively applying this scum read to every single post Soup made. Kill him with fire.

Wait Swiss was prod dodging right?

Get that guy to actually play.

Wait HE'S TRYING TO APPEAL TO SWISS. Scumtell of the year.

Man it came across as Spider looking for an out and then this...

Seriously?

Vote: Soup

No you were right in the first place. Doc on these guys.

K Soup + J scumteam looking less and less likely.

Rest is a mess.

Scum:
Soup
Spidey
Dabuz: Danced around weird lynch choices and was wtf with Zen's gambit.

Soup/Spidey have to go first. Dabuz can gladly follow.

Null
Glg
Glyph

Townish
J
Allegory
No Name

Town
AM
S-Tier
Swiss
Red Ryu (based mainly on claim)

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Im sorry i support the J lynch can i be town again?

What's your schtick S Tier? Umad cuz im abhorrently against the J lynch, or mad that im defying you?

Acro please gimme your take on this clown -.-

Dammit will quote once i get to a comp.

These were me not the Gorfster.

You have no right not to support it. You don't even have any scum reads lol.

I have every right not to support it swine. You're just a ***** with a communist regime set up as a mask to hide any possible scumminess and fake scum hunting with no rhyme or reason.

And plus if it wasn't obvious I got Spider/Soup and you as scum reads... L2read my slot before you call me out chump.

Just because J made a big post does not make him town. Didn't you have a scum read on him before that?

Vote: Soup

zapp brannigan 162
S-Tier 143
Soup~ 134
Aggressive Mediation 105
Spidermang 91
J 62
Swiss 59
The Account With No Name 54
dabuz 38
Allegory 37
Gova 24
JTB 19
Xonar 14
Red Ryu 11
DtJ Glyphmoney 7
Ryker 6
giraffelasergun 5
Gorf 4
Sephiroths Masamune 2
Jim Morrison 2
vanderzant 1
Raziek 1

Vote: J

And this flailing and being unable to decide your scum read comes off as YET ANOTHER MASK.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Whoa whoa when did you get a scum read on Stier bro?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

WAY back when. It's waned, but still a good 3rd pick behind Spidey/Soup.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

His play is either ridiculously fake, or ridiculously arrogant town to me, and I can't see myself seeing the former.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

former latter*

 

[zapp brannigan]

Can you show me what post pushed you to lean scum on him? Also did you say anything about it back then?

Also one more question.

What is your opinion on Dabuz and his reaction to Stier's day cop thing?

 

[zapp brannigan]

Ok No name.

Would you rather go in the direction of SOUP or Dabuz?