Ryker Mafia Is Over: Ryker Always Wins

[Dabuz]

How is meta even a valid defense? If you know your own meta, it is awfully easy to play with it.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Zen, I knew you were faking Day Cop. That's evident enough. Your explanation is still yet to be foun-

Originally Posted by S-Tier
I didn't. TAWNN assumed I did. I claimed VT a long time ago.

I heard something about zen claiming Day Cop.

He's lying

Jesus christ

 

[Spidermang]

And you're scum.

Dabuz, you're town from this post onwards. Vote Soup with us.

How is meta even a valid defense? If you know your own meta, it is awfully easy to play with it.

Called it so hard.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Spidey can you elaborate on that quote? Like what do you mean?

 

[Spidermang]

Dabunz is town mang. But I must say I'm influenced by earlier posts he made.

 

[S-Tier]

I can read RR like a book. He's not bull****ting.

Zen, why the hell did you do that.

Soup this is clearly rhetorical. You were not trying to get info out of me. You're lying. You just needed a response to Xoni.

You aren't asking me why I claimed cop (which I didn't btw so people stop saying that lol), you are asking why I made RR claim. Which is a rhetorical question. And dumb if not. How the hell would I ever answer why I made vig claim (which I didn't btw).

Also Also

You say you're trying to figure out why I claimed cop (which I didn't) but that answer should be obvious as hell. To get the dam lynch that I want like I always do. OBVIOUSLY. That's the fakes question ever.

 

[Dabuz]

Why would you switch from one lynch that isn't happening to another lynch that isn't happening. It looks like a spidey lynch at this point dabuz so that's where you vote should be.

Unless you want to join me on JTB. We wont have to worry about a replacement if we just lynch him.

@J you said you're fine with switching to JTB. Will you do this with me?

Why would we "worry" about a replacement?

 

[Gova]

A deadline extension has been granted. The vote count now reflects the current deadline.

1. Spidermang (4) J, AM, Zapp, Allegory
2. dtjglyphmoney ()
3. AM (2) FOOL, FOOL
4. The Account With No Name ()
5. Red Ryu ()
6. Soup~ (3) FOOL, Spidermang, S-Tier
7. Allegory ()
8. giraffelasergun ()
9. Dabunz ()
10. J (3) Soup, Swiss
11. Zapp Brannigan (1) FOOL
12. S-Tier (2) GLG, Red Ryu
13. Swiss ()

Not voting - Glyph, dabuz, TAWNN
With 13 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is April 8th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soup this is clearly rhetorical. You were not trying to get info out of me. You're lying. You just needed a response to Xoni.

You aren't asking me why I claimed cop (which I didn't btw so people stop saying that lol), you are asking why I made RR claim. Which is a rhetorical question. And dumb if not. How the hell would I ever answer why I made vig claim (which I didn't btw).

Also Also

You say you're trying to figure out why I claimed cop (which I didn't) but that answer should be obvious as hell. To get the dam lynch that I want like I always do. OBVIOUSLY. That's the fakes question ever.

I was trying to get Info out of you, a question implies an answer.

No, it was a follow-up to the reasoning behind making him claim.

I realize that now, I told you I skimmed and I heard you claimed Day-cop and I knew you were lying instantly

 

[The Account With No Name]

Unvote

For good votecount measure

 

[S-Tier]

HEY

Hey

HEEEEEY

Why is dabuz defending Soup??? What is that thing called? Chainsaw or something? Like DH did to Jdietz in Shining Force. Yeah. Leggo. More Soup votes. More dabuz vigs. More J lynches on d2.

 

[S-Tier]

Why would we "worry" about a replacement?

He replaced out. The mods were looking for a replacement. That's what I meant by that.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

This isn't the same instance. DH full implied a defense while TAWNN is more confused about the situation, not understanding why I'm being voted.

 

[S-Tier]

dabuz not TAWNN

not sure what to think about that confusion.

 

[Dabuz]

S-Tier, really? I disagree with the idea of a Soup lynch based off META. That is not a chainsaw defense.

 

[S-Tier]

And it is the same.

I called Jdietz out. DH questions my logic.
Spider calls Soup out. dabuz questions his logic.

I've never seen dabuz do this for another person.

 

[Dabuz]

S-Tier, that last line implies I have previously questioned the logic of a lynch. Actually, what did you call out Jdietz on in that last game?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Do I really need to bring up quotes because this isn't the same instance and your reasoning on my vote is ****

 

[S-Tier]

It's perfectly fine. Why did you even think J was scum? You never explained your vote on him at all. It's because you two are scumbuddies, saw that he was getting pressured and decided you needed to get on that ish just like you did to Bardull in DK. ammiright? of course I am.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Actually, nevermind. J bothers me more than S-tier right now.

unvote

No Name, I like your case on J but I have a different perspective in seeing it, it's not about the reads. #585 from S-tier.



Self-meta. Nasty.

Then why do it? If you admit that it's poor defense then why succumb to it. It's scummy as **** and you should know better.

Vo te: J

It's the fact that you're using excuses like your restriction and self-meta that bothers me, It seems like a cop-out in every instance and I see no reason to do it, only to deflect pressure.

Zen, what is your current read on JTB considering his latest posts.

I can already tell which parts you're going to bring up and guess what they're not the same context as this.

All your reasoning packaged just for you zenny

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

It's perfectly fine. Why did you even think J was scum? You never explained your vote on him at all. It's because you two are scumbuddies, saw that he was getting pressured and decided you needed to get on that ish just like you did to Bardull in DK. ammiright? of course I am.

*sigh*

Unvote Vote: Bardull

unvote
Vote: Bardull

let's be friends gorf

Votecount 1.2 - With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch!

Bardull [2] - Gorf, Soup

Read the context if you want

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I didn't. TAWNN assumed I did. I claimed VT a long time ago. Please don't shoot me.
I'll get back to you.

Pray I don't decide this.

 

[Spidermang]

Seconding, but do you think Swiss would back down as scum? I don't think his ego would allow him that.

Seconding a vote but disagreeing with the vote words later.

I'm not ready to call it anything, nor am I ready to vote. I want to interact with Swiss on a more personal level before I conclude anything.

Ego aside, what else do you think that is giving you such an alarming thought about Swiss? I feel like you're jumping the gun. RVS aside.

I liked this, taking a stance early on, but then I read RVS aside, and then it felt like just a way to push a "read". RVS aside DURING THE RVS?

Soup he's trying to pressure me, going for thread power.

Would put him as a scum lean.

Like this.

No, but I'm concerned about you, I find your reasoning on Swiss ill-advised and the only explanation I could find is merely RVS shenanigans.

My my, aren't you choosing your words carefully?
On the other hand, I'm concerned about you too. The explanation you have is RVS shenanigans, but you are not satisfied with that. Why not?
But theeeeeeeeen

Quote there. I don't understand the need to attack him on such little grounds, especially with his reputation. What do you think of his responses? Don't answer that, I already know that you're trying to goad information from him with the meaning of pushing him agressively.

Sooo you did have another explanation?

On the one hand, I like the fact that Soup is going there and hunting. On the other hand, his basis for suspicion seems forced.

I'm sorry Allegory but I'm going to have to consult John first
We'll get back to you, please hold.

Town.

I didn't like the way he didn't respond either, but I looked at context and had another 180, I found your question deemable of an answer but him ignoring didn't imply much.

So him ignoring me is totally null.
But me trying to get him to answer is scummy but then again not really because we're stuck in our ways so you'll unvote n stuff.

Not liking Soup. Waaaay to careful and doesn't feel sincere.
Anyway.

Why do you ask this question?

Don't know if filler question or sincerely accomplishing nothing.

You can read intentions and context, right? Me arguing against Spidermang, that would imply that I had a differing opinion of Swiss, right?

VERSUS

I didn't like the way he didn't respond either, but I looked at context and had another 180, I found your question deemable of an answer but him ignoring didn't imply much.

Eheh.

Why does it matter if he asked Swiss or not?
What is wrong with pressuring someone that is being anti-town?

So you are going to give Swiss a pass because of how he plays? You aren't even going to look at his actions?



No. Ending it here though. That is how I play as a hydra, so no again. If you ask again, I will say. No.

I like this. Ranmaru's high question based playstyle is a town tell, imo.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14268159&postcount=118
This whole ordeal on the other hand. Holy crap.

It matters because its an odd person to pose such a question to. If Xonar wants info on certain players, it makes more sense to ask someone he has played with and understands. I don't know what is going on in his mind that makes Swiss the first person he wants to ask.

Nothing is inherently wrong with pushing anti-town, I just don't like how hard he is pushing in this instance. After reading 47-62, it looks like Xonar just...does this kind of stuff.

When Swiss has something to look at, I will look at it. Right now he is null.

Note: Finished re-reading up to 62.

I like this post. Dabuz town lean.

... That doesn't matter. He can ask anyone. It's not odd at all.

Nothing wrong with pushing aggressively either.

It feels like you are just trying to make Spidey look odd, and I don't like that.

Vote: Dabuz

Zapp town.

zetta mad

My face when I began using this phrase because of you.
It sounds sweet.

http://i.imgur.com/zsw3x.png

Swiss, how mad are you that I got dayvig and you didn't?

Scummy.
You immediately try to "create content", skip the fact that there's been plenty posted, pull an RVS-styled shenanigan AND post something that has been discredited by the image posting, thus making the question even more useless than it already was.

Not if you're doing dumb **** and putting town in bad positions to start the game. It worked in Math Blasters because you could do it well on a newbie who didn't know better. You're not going to get similar reactions from Swiss, who knows damn well what you're doing and will call your **** every ****ing time.

So why don't you try a more fruitful route, 'k?

Unless I'm missing something, the question he asked Swiss was about two players Spidermang has had little interaction with. Unless I'm wrong, that's a small thing to get into a huge gusto about. You'd have to seriously back it up with implications of how that's telling of Swiss' alignment for me to read it as anything more than Xonar trying to make Swiss his ***** and failing pretty bad at it.

Do not like. At all.
It's not very characteristic of you to read this surface level into things.

Ran, now talk to me about Swiss and Spidey butting heads in the first couple pages. Is their confrontation any indication of either's alignment?

And how is Swiss scum? Or are you just omgus'ing?

And I don't like this either.

Zapp / TAWNN / Dabunz / Swiss town
Soup scum
JTB / AM scummy

@Zapp: But the fact he targeted Swiss specifically and made him answer despite a very reasonable chance Swiss has not played with either player at all is just awkward to me. The question isn't about those players. He's blindly targeting Swiss with poor attempts to get a read from Swiss and turned it into a power play when Swiss refused to answer. That doesn't read protown to me at all.

What the **** are you even trying?

Xonar and Swiss talking to each other, Xonar is looking very wonky. As WL said, it seemed almost like he tried to do the same thing he did to me in Math Blasters to Swiss this time, but to no avail.
A quote that made me read twice:



First of all, he completely ignores the explanation that Swiss just doesn't want to do stuff at work. Next up, he twists it into rebellion, as if Xonar is even something to rebel against. Lastly, he attributes anti-town to something like rebellion, COMPLETELY ignoring Swiss's personality, that he might rebel regardless of alignment.

Xonar's black-and-white views are something that have bugged me last game, and probably will this game.

Other than that, nothing that has already been pointed out.

I really don't think Guus is good enough to do this as scum.

Also, I'll add this: I find it thoroughly weird Spidey went from fighting against Swiss for all forms of authority over a single question only to COMPLETELY 180 and do exactly what Swiss tells him to about hydras with absolutely no visible rhyme or reason for this sudden subordination.

vote: Spidermang

This flip is way more awkward than Zapp's flip onto Dabunz once he saw his Swiss OMGUS went nowhere.

Why so surface?

You know, I might believe you if you were doing stuff and not just posting on random stuff.

vote: dabuz

Scum on a silver platter.

I have no idea why you are blatantly refusing to explain your reasoning on a town read you got on Soupa in the beginning of the day, by your own sense of intuition and deduction.

Vote: The Account With No Name



Seeing you state this sort of disappoints me. I had hoped that if anyone was going to directly look at Swiss's play and come out with a scum/town case it would be you, Xonar, J, ect. who are people who have experience not only playing forum mafia, but playing forum mafia with Swiss or methods to capture players like him. I didn't see a reason though to call out Spidermang so soon, as there was still information that could be gotten from the push.

For one, Soup arguing that the optimal play would be to comply with Swiss strikes me as being largely unnecessary, especially when pressure was being applied early into the game and Swiss-Spidermang debate was infantile enough that it didn't realistically hinder either party from realistically scumhunting other slots at the same time. Don't know why Soup is playing the white knight, but I don't think a big boy like Swiss needs a lap dog.

My vote still stands. :3

TOOOOOOWN

Interesting. I actually drew out a different assumption from your statements regarding how you were planning on working with Swiss this game. I'm now holding you responsible to this standard. Don't disappoint me :D

Roughly interpreted your Swiss posts as you treating Swiss as null, sitting on him being a null read, and then trying to find out his alignment via PoE. Out of curiosity, why did you feel the need to rebuke Spidermang? Lacking intuition here, but I just don't find it to be a stance that town would immediately take. Even with meta, I find your decision awkward.



Hi John. Why is Guus so hesitant about explaining his own reads, after the entire town knows that it is his read? Will you punish him for having bad reads? Is it because Spidermang is a giant meanie? Are you afraid of Spiders mang?

Tooooown. Very comfortable with this slot.


Buncha posts reinforcing my old reads.

Zapp / TAWNN / Dabunz / Swiss town
Soup scum
JTB / AM scummy

Vote: S-tier. I find it extremely scummy that he claimed town in his first post. The whole, "my partner didn't get the pm" thing is bull****, and even if that were true then he shouldn't have posted it in thread anyway. It's silly to claim town right off the bat, and I don't trust anyone who does claim town immediately.

@Zapp: Why don't you have a question for me or J in your post?

@J: How much longer is it until I start tunneling you until I die?

I like this.

That's ridiculous though. Why focus your attention on that to begin with, all you do is fuel the fire of the **** that you DON'T wanna take.

Whatever, that's weird as hell.

I like our vote where it's at, Xonar's 180 from having that above-all feeling to himself right to him being more on Swiss' side is grimy. I don't like Zap either, even though Vanz made it look better like my other half said. The fact is Ran did a good job at doing a lot of really stupid things, and I'm definitely leaning moreso toward scum than dumb. Account with No Name's weird too, but it may just be Jimbo being Jimbo idk. Everyone else seems okay to me.

Yeah **** this slot.

I don't even like the overall gameplan. It looks like he's pushing things but on the other hand not really. Meh. Lotsa gut there.

No idea what to think of S-Tier yet. Anti town, maybe. Scum/town? Not sure.
End of page7.

I am not willing to be copped. Why would I when you will not even sign your posts out of ignorance?

Townguy

Honestly I forgot, I guess due to the fact that nothing else in his play stood out as inherently scummy for me, but I DO wanna answer for it cuz what the eff.

How can you like this?

I mean, I like AM's overall game plan some more now. I just don't like his posts.

<skimmed some stuff because it's players who I already have a solid read on>

Well, he must be what he says.

I'm doing this ryker-style, mostly because i've missed a lot and it's easier on me.

I don't understand the scum-read on S-tier for this at all, especially when nothing is set and stone, that couldn't be his actual role and he could be joking. I don't think Zen or Seph would be inane enough to blatantly claim their role regardless of alilgnment and hope someone thinks it's nothing more than b]null.[/b] Did you think about that in first hand? What do you think about the slot in general?

Alright Soup taking a turn for the better here.

Vote: S-tier

Well, ****. S-tier has really blew my expectations out of the water. I take what I said back Swiss, they're both scum.

...and one for the worse.

Page 10 start.

This logic is rubbish. No name, please do better than this.

No likey. Why look at the logic and not the intention?

Alright I like AM more now. (string of posts around 380). Satisfied with the slot now.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14273943&postcount=388
GLG town read reinforced.

Alright I'm burned out. Seeing as we got an extension, I'm going to quit here for now. Almost done with page 10.

 

[Spidermang]

Wait Swiss was prod dodging right?

Get that guy to actually play.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

dtjglyphmoney / J haven't posted
Zapp / TAWNN / Dabunz / Swiss / Allegory / S-Tier town
AM / GLG town lean
Soup scum

JTRuy claimed, so Town I guess.

 

[Dabuz]

Spidey, explain how what you quoted gave you town reads on TAWNN and myself. What do you think of Ryu's claim in combination with JTB's play? (Remember, it's the same slot)

 

[Dabuz]

EBWOP: wrt 903

 

[Spidermang]

dtjglyphmoney / J haven't posted
Zapp / TAWNN / Dabunz / Swiss / Allegory / S-Tier town
AM / GLG town lean
Soup scum

JTRuy claimed, so Town I guess.

Because hydras are hard.

I'll get to those later. I'm going to do other stuffs now. 's gettin' late.

 

[#HBC | J]

Man a Soupa lynch is occuring.

I want.

But Bug-boy is the one spear-heading it?

 

[#HBC | J]

I laughed quite a bit at Soupa's scumJ post which didn't show any reasoning.

I also am facepalming at Dabuz' explanation of my post w.r.t. everyone.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

You claimed day-cop for a reason, and I want your reasoning.

Man it came across as Spider looking for an out and then this...

Seriously?

Vote: Soup

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

It's like you're not even reading what i'm saying.

 

[#HBC | J]

Meta isn't a valid reason.

Omg, there is hope for you and your intellect!

Meta is the most important thing in mafia.

I think I love you.

You two need to go someplace else.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Whoops I mean

Man it came across as Spider looking for an out and then this...

Seriously?

Vote: Soup

My bad.

Vote: Soup

It's like you're not even reading what i'm saying.

It's like you're acting as if you don't understand what S Tier can possibly have been doing and trying to pin him for FAKE CLAIMING DAY COP AFTER IT BECAME APPARENT THAT RUY'S LYNCH PROBZ WOULDN'T HAVE GONE THROUGH.

Haven't really read past that post and probz won't till like tomorrowish but yea either Spider or Soup have to freakin go at this point.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Soup~
You can read intentions and context, right? Me arguing against Spidermang, that would imply that I had a differing opinion of Swiss, right?

VERSUS

Quote:
Originally Posted by Soup~
I didn't like the way he didn't respond either, but I looked at context and had another 180, I found your question deemable of an answer but him ignoring didn't imply much.

Eheh.

I was null on your slot, your push on Swiss was only deemable from a perspective of my own, and since you weren't backing off and stayed bullheaded to the situation, I seen no reason to continue further.

Seconding a vote but disagreeing with the vote words later.

Like I said, I didn't like your push. It more important to me than Swiss, and his john was satisfactory.

I liked this, taking a stance early on, but then I read RVS aside, and then it felt like just a way to push a "read". RVS aside DURING THE RVS?

Your push made no sense to me and I was barring an explanation from you, your push on Swiss wasn't genuine but I could completely understand RVS shenanigans.

...and one for the worse.

Page 10 start.

You can read, read my Interaction with S-tier about this. I'd like to re-iterate how that went nowhere and I still never got my answers.

No likey. Why look at the logic and not the intention?

Alright I like AM more now. (string of posts around 380). Satisfied with the slot now.

Because I didn't need to, I didn't like the logic at hand and that is what was more important.

 

[#HBC | J]

Ew, Soup's reaction to votes on him are terrible, one point I do think Spider has completely correct with Soupa is that there is no urge to scum-hunt and it seems to be a common thing this game. Plus reaction to the gambit was terrible and does not make sense that Soup wouldn't understand what would happened.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

It's like you're acting as if you don't understand what S Tier can possibly have been doing and trying to pin him for FAKE CLAIMING DAY COP AFTER IT BECAME APPARENT THAT RUY'S LYNCH PROBZ WOULDN'T HAVE GONE THROUGH.

Haven't really read past that post and probz won't till like tomorrowish but yea either Spider or Soup have to freakin go at this point.

Back up for a moment. I never pinned S-tier on anything, [url="http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14295773&postcount=841"]I merely commented that Zen was lying about the day-cop.[/url]

And here I was corrected.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Ew, Soup's reaction to votes on him are terrible, one point I do think Spider has completely correct with Soupa is that there is no urge to scum-hunt and it seems to be a common thing this game. Plus reaction to the gambit was terrible and does not make sense that Soup wouldn't understand what would happened.

Yeah I haven't been laying my votes around or anything no I've just been sitting on my *** and sheeping every lynch I can

 

[#HBC | J]

Thanks for admitting that for us.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Shut the **** up