Rusty Guillotine Mafia | Ovah

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ran, why did you let your boyfriend answer for you as opposed to answering me?

 

[ranmaru]

She is my girlfriend. And plus I asked him why he thought that was relevant to this game.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

It's in the context of the game. Telling you why I'm asking also tells you what I want to hear and then destroys any reason I would have to ask it.

 

[ranmaru]

I do not know what you mean.

 

[smargaret]

July, what are your thoughts on Ran? He has been a bit quiet this game besides from that case on me Day 1. That's that worry you at all?



What distancing have they really done though toDay? Joey basically just voted KevinM and that's it.

That said, I also don't really think there has been significant evidence TO link them either. So I really would not want to go down that path.

At the time, Joey was voting KevinM, and yes, that is distancing when both parties are scum. I don't think it's distancing any more. Swords, since things have changed since you asked that that make it no longer relevant, why bring it up?

I voted Cello to get his attention and make him answer my question. Since he did that,

Unvote
Vote: KevinM

 

[ranmaru]

So you mean when you voted Cello you didn't actually think he was scummy?

 

[smargaret]

Pressure votes are a long-standing tradition here. Depending on his answer, that vote may have stayed, and I've still GMEOH.

 

[ranmaru]

That was a quick pressure vote. I think he cracked pretty well.

 

[ranmaru]

I see you Gord. What are your thoughts.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Shut up I'm in school.

This is the second time you've done this Ran .

Joey, I'm gonna try to be patient with you. Please give me elaborate thoughts on July, Ranmaru, and KevinM at this point. Not just "scum" or "town". Please. Just play this freaking game and don't lose this for us. Yes this is me possibly letting go of some suspicion of you, and yes because I reread without a fixated opinion.

Now like I said before... ahem...

Unvote Vote: July

July, I'd like to see that case on J.

 

[ranmaru]

She herself is in school with exams.

Oh, you are in school with a computer? : ]

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Gordito
Ryker
J
Sworddancer.
smargaret
Ranmaru
Cello_Marl
-Joey-
KevinM
July

In order of towniest to scummiest obviously starting with myself as towniest from when I reread. The list isn't 100% stationary, cuz I'm gonna reread it again and try my best to finalize my suspicions. I'm not gonna excuse Joey's scumminess because he's an idiot, but at the same time, there's some things that just make me think dumb over scum... I really gotta think this crap through.

Oh, and Joey, we get it. Ryker's town.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I'm using one of the school's desktops. It's all good .

 

[July]

@Gord: We have until March 4 and I am working on it, I think I've said quite a few times my school stuff comes first though. Working on it now-ish until I get distracted : P

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Actually, the only person that has until March 4th is ME. You have until the Day the guillotine drops on you, or until the Night you end up dead, or until endgame. But I have a limited amount of time to read your case, analyze it, and discuss it because I'm dead by the end of this Day. I'm trying to do the best I can to help town win this game, and if you were town, you'd understand where I'm coming from and do what you can to accomidate. Because hey, MAYBE you can convince me J's scum. I'm not convinced at this point, I'll tell ya that. But how can I be sure if you aren't giving me what I need?

Tl;dr I just want to get as much as I can while I'm still alive, and you're holding me back from doing that.

 

[July]

@Gord: I'm sorry, I do understand, but I'm trying to be honest when I say I'm doing it when I can, I can only do so much ;-;

 

[Dooms]

Whats our deadline? March Fourth?

I will be spending saturday mainly on mafia (mainly for this game) and a wifi tournament. I will re-read the game, and I will share my thoughts about any players that catch my eye as town or scum. If they're not mentioned, then they're a null read.

 

[Dooms]

V/LA tomorrow for school and pepband game.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Whats our deadline? March Fourth?

I will be spending saturday mainly on mafia (mainly for this game) and a wifi tournament. I will re-read the game, and I will share my thoughts about any players that catch my eye as town or scum. If they're not mentioned, then they're a null read.

I should play in your Wi-Fi tourney to, uh, check out that V/LA. Yeah!

 

[Dooms]

I won't be V/LA saturday. I will be in a wifi-tournament though. I can post between matches XD!

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I hate that I'm so into the game and everybody's talking about putting their crap off till later.

@Cello

Do you care about this game anymore? If not, why? If so, who do you think is the best candidate to die toDay, and why? I don't remember much from you yesterDay, or ANYTHING from you toDay. So yea, scum pick(s)?

@Joey

Joey, I'm gonna try to be patient with you. Please give me elaborate thoughts on July, Ranmaru, and KevinM at this point. Not just "scum" or "town". Please. Just play this freaking game and don't lose this for us. Yes this is me possibly letting go of some suspicion of you, and yes because I reread without a fixated opinion.

@KevinM

How do you feel about my alignment? Town, right? How would you feel about lynching July toDay? Do you still think Joey's scummy/scum, or is it a case of dumb vs scum?

@July

So goal is to be done by tomorrow night.

This was said two days ago, which means you're a day behind being finished. You have a decent amount done, I'm hoping? And do you think it's fair to ask for it to be done by tomorrow night? Or is it gonna be harder to try and make J look scummy?

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm willing to bet Cello is scum.

 

[Dooms]

Hey Gord

Saturday. You're not getting it before then.

 

[July]

@July

This was said two days ago, which means you're a day behind being finished. You have a decent amount done, I'm hoping? And do you think it's fair to ask for it to be done by tomorrow night? Or is it gonna be harder to try and make J look scummy?

Gord, my stance on this has consistently been that other things come first:

Sorry I waiting for you to come back in the thread before I say anything about you O_O I don't really like to make a case against someone if they aren't there to respond, that's just rude.

Anyways, I will be working on it tonight but I'm also working on a presentation for tomorrow, so that comes first. Your case comes when I get to it.

@Ran and Gord: I will work on the case, but yeah other things come first and I'm already bad with procrastination as it is. So goal is to be done by tomorrow night.

and school is only one thing, I'm sorry but for reals, irl johns happen, I'm trying. I do have a decent amount done, it is fair that it be done by tomorrow night, actually it has to be done by tomorrow afternoon due to commitments tomorrow night and a tournament saturday so yeah. And I'm just presenting what is there Gord, if you want to take it the same why I'm taking it, it is up to you. But I might as well present it, and I also gained some reads so far on other people in the process of doing this so I think its worthwhile.

 

[KevinM]

@Gord

I want to say Joey is scum but people seem to be pretty set on him being town. Literally all he has done is be a nuisance without scum hunting and spamming worthless nonsense.

It's not even playing the game.

I think what you are doesn't matter.

I think we should look at July or Smarg for stalling as long as they have.

 

[KevinM]

Smarg however also strikes me as odd just because off all the easy wagons she has hopped on.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I 100% agree with you with every sentiment on Joey. If there's ever confusion on who to lynch one Day I think he should be policy lynched, JUST because he's done nothing and obviously doesn't have any motivation to do anything. But... we'll see if that changes...

True true. Of course, your opinion of my alignment determines how you take my questions and opinions, so I guess as long as you have your opinion to yourself it's all good.

I agree with July, but with Smargz, although I understand where you're coming from, I think that her scumhunting is coming from a more townie perspective rather than just saying something obliviously, and just empty. Idk. I wouldn't say she's the play toDay, but I'd have to look into her more.

 

[#HBC | J]

Gord, why can't you play like this when you are, ya know, not dead? This reminds me of DGames mafia and how upset I was.

This time, not too ashamed.

Joey is town but a nuisance and won't be lynching him personally.

Smarg vs. KevinM I would like to see more of. People should let them duke it out a bit without any interference.

Cello is going if July isn't.

Swords/Ran, me no like.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I dunno. Sword looks better to me than he did.

 

[#HBC | J]

Meh, he is leaning null but I need more from him then I've seen because so far it's just bleck.

July/Cello>>Smarg>>Swords/Ran

 

[July]

Umm, kk, case done. Well more like case study, evaluating J's interactions; turns out I addressed interactions with me a lot, but I think they are significant. It is long, like really long, posting it in next couple minutes. Just forewarning ya.

 

[#HBC | J]

*is actually excited to see*

 

[July]

Case Study of J:

Gord: First addressed in #9, questions if he is “rusty”, possibly establishing him as easy target early on. #27 I’m still not clear on the connection J draws between Gord’s #19 and #22; J then addresses Gord personally about his stance on OMGUS, and that Gord should know J’s stance on that and what he is doing with Cello, but never makes that stance public. #59 and others establish that J has been playing differently, but J also acknowledges that Gord has been out of the game for a while; so the questions from #27 don’t make sense, how can Gord interpret J’s stance on Cello and OMGUS if his style has changed. #68 J once asks if Cello and him invited Gord into their conversation; very controlling over what conversations happen and under what conditions. #91 is in pink to make fun of Gord for pink comment while saying he is not being aggressive, but that act alone is very passive aggressive. After warning us L-2 was pretty close for Gord in #228, expresses desire to revote him in #242 but says he will wait for Gord’s response, then votes him in #248 regardless. #788 infers he believes Gord is acting more town, probably covering his *** in case Gord flips town (as scum J would know he will though).

Joey: First addressed in #76 for picking a side before reading, legit post. #226 takes issue with Joey saying J is twisting people’s words. Like’s Joey’s long case against Gord. #470 says Joey is looking town, then after Ryker disagrees revises it in #472 to “Joey's null but leaning town for me”; Ryker’s opinion seemed to influence J’s commitment to his read on Joey. #725 calls Joey town.

Kevin: First addressed in #9, question relates to ability to scum-hunt, possibly setting him up to devalue his reads. States in post #34 that this question was to form a “bridge of communication” with Kevin, but the question was yes/no, and could function little in the way of establishing a connection. Addressed in #122 for not voting scum picks. #144 J laughs because Kevin says J has called him “polly emotion pants” and J says this isn’t true, but the posts about self-voting and challenging us to lynch him (in their own category) beg to differ. Null as of #191. After GLG claims, Kevin becomes a target but before the Night J says he prefers a Smarg lynch over Kevin after his #574 made him think. #723 however, he says he still prefers Kevin over others stated as possibly scummy, as if his opinion changed overNight (pun : P).

Ryker: First addressed in #9, makes lack of connection with him known. Calls Ryker out for historic inactivity in #105, questions his policy on lynching inactives but never weighs in like Ryker suggests in his #103. #131 J says he is really liking Ryker, but based on limited interactions and no reasoning other than supporting his top scum picks. Strongly responds that Ryker is being useful in #321 in response to Smarg calling both GLG and Ryker useless. #725 calls Ryker even more town than Joey.

Smarg: First addressed in #9, establishes meta on player immediately. Addressed in #95 for commenting on J’s style change. Post #180 J is aggressive that no one has asked him to take stances and hence lack of providing them, but it emphasizes the point that J knows he has been restrained in providing open information on much of town, except for GLG and Gord who he voted. Shuts down Smarg’s opinion one of GLG or J must be scum quite quickly, which is important to know now that GLG is confirmed (dead) townie. Null as of #191.

GLG: First addressed in #97, these posts are legit as GLG immediately came in skimming. Most of these posts decisively go to J for better arguments, but we now know GLG was town so doesn’t mean much. However after GLG’s claim of IE, J shuts him down and tells him in #537 to “just sit back and ride your claim out like a good little nuisance”, but it seems pretty scummy to ask an almost confirmed townie to stop giving input, I think this was impulsive and J didn’t think of how bad this sounded when he said it, but didn’t want GLG, who already thought J was scum, affecting town opinion too much., then upon receiving heat for it says “People can really take things out of context” to defend himself.

Gheb: Suggests that he knows who would have motivation to kill Gheb, and that Cello has the same info, but that has yet to be made public.

Cello: First addressed in #16, exchange that seems to move the game out of rvs. Then readdressed in #18 asking why “poke into questions that were in no way related to you?” Possible desire to keep other people out of the way while pushing Gord. Post #40 informs Cello that in a subtle way he is defending Gord, although does so in the form of a question, passive aggressive attempt to push Cello out of J/Gord conversation. Addresses Cello personally in post #40 as well, revealing they might have information about who would have reason to kill Gheb, asks Cello for his opinion on making it public but he doesn’t respond (J, reading this now, could you please tell us who you had in mind who would kill Gheb?). Breaks conversation with Cello in #46 to have others comment on the exchange, avoiding the last wave of Cello’s questions (However, points out that Gord ignored his own questions in #75, and in #92 says town should answer all questions to them since they have nothing to hide). Most recent talk of Cello have been that he is most likely scum (#782).

Swords: Affirms to Swords his vote was rvs in #28, but this is contrary to the vibe from #16 where J suggests Cello has already moved us out of rvs with this quote: “You hate RVS don't you?”. Asks Swords if he voted him to calm him down in #51, but had just asked this question in #43 and had yet to receive a response from Swords, J seems a bit anxious. #61 berates Swords for not being useful, then refuses to answer about a stance on Cello; seems like J wants to keep Swords on the peripheral, but focus is completely on Gord for time being. Next addressed in post #114, where J once again re-affirms his vote had been rvs. Comes under fire in #129 for using meta on Cello, although J said earlier that he uses his experience from other games to help get reads on people, and Swords stance is from his other games with Cello, so this is a bit hypocritical for calling him out on using meta to get a read. Says in #788 Swords he no like, but gives no reason why.

July: First directly addressed in #144 asking about GLG’s post. #163 asks me if I like where his vote is; I honestly feel like from this point J was setting me up as scum. #180 is where J corrects Smarg that I’m a girl, and that post still makes me smile lol : P. #249 J says he doesn’t like me this game, after posting I don’t like the Gord wagon, but provides no explanation. Next comment, #269, is to investigate me if day ends, once again no reason. Then asks for an ISO on me and to investigate me again in post #273, with still no reasoning. Very next post is telling Swords and Ryker to look at the time my post voting GLG appeared, which is stretching to find something scummy about me. Next post calls me opportunistic for voting GLG, ignoring the fact he was the scummiest person by far at the time. After so much talk about investigating me and not liking me, doesn’t vote me until #340 after Cello does it, seems like J was nervous to push for me in case it came back to bite him if I get lyched and flip town. However, after being v/la and rereading immediately unvotes me in #451 seeing he lacks support. When questioned about it by Ran J responds “Oh Ran, because July lynch isn't gonna catch steam toDay” in his #465, but if I’m so scummy why not try and convince town of such? In #476 says “I'd vote Smarg but I don't like the wagon at all, (July/Swords)” inferring once again he has a scum read or at least a suspicion but is unwilling to act on it. In his #483 in response to GLG’s case against him he says he is precautious about lynching GLG for one reason being not liking me and brings me up that I seem to be hopping and once again opportunistic. #504 J finally says in response to my questioning him “July, I do find you scummy but I need to go and actually make a case on you if I want to get you lynched and I do not have the time to before toNight.” Inferring he will make a case on me toDay, but he keeps stalling on giving substantiation to these accusations I am scum. This also infers that despite all his talk I’m just not scummy enough to push a lynch on just yet. Post #667 J asks why my vote is not like I said and no case on him, although I can’t seem to find where I said that or where I even said I was going to make a case against J, then accuses me of jumping on an easy wagon. Then in post #673 J refuses to say if his case will be cumulative or just based off this post, which is dumb considering he said he was going to post a case on me toDay before this case even came about. Then J precedes to tell me that cases are often considered scummy, even though he was the one who suggested making a case against me first, and is being very hypocritical and putting into everyone’s mind that my case will be scummy.

Ran: First directly addressed in #144 asking about GLG’s post. Asks Ran to stop bringing up self voting two separate times, then asks him to talk about GLG/J dispute in #510. Says in #788 he no like but provides no reasons why, and very limited interactions all game.

AtEing/Self-Voting/Vocalizing Town Play: Posts #44 and #45 are interesting, as they almost challenge us to get J to L-1 to claim, and reminding us he will still be around toMorrow. Post #56 addresses self-voting, asking Cello if he is content with that, very strong effort to convince us that he isn’t scared of going to the guillotine/getting lynched, but lacks genuineness (didn’t know this was actually a word). Post #71 J talks about the inevitability of his lynch toDay, AtE quite a bit. #75 promotes the idea of self-hammering as a town act if it then “Cello will get on track.” #134 addresses voting and not being careful with votes now that Gord is at L-2 and J is at L-3, still being very vocal about townie behavior but since Gord is in a more precarious situation than himself no longer challenging us to get him to L-1. #191 again a warning to be careful with voting, #227 provides an even stronger warning that votes are too high.

 

[#HBC | J]

*still reading*

Question popped into my head,

July who would be my scum-buddy based on interactions?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Gord, why can't you play like this when you are, ya know, not dead? This reminds me of DGames mafia and how upset I was.

This time, not too ashamed.

There's a reason why I played like I did D1, and it's the same reason why I was BEGGING exec not to drop at the beginning of toDay. The reason doesn't really matter right now, or at all to general gameplay until the end of the Day right before I get exec'd. It'll all make sense in due time.

Joey is town but a nuisance and won't be lynching him personally.

He's not top lynch priority, but remember when Ryker said something about policy lynching when he came into the game? That's kinda what I'd wanna do with Joey, if it comes to a hard decision.

Smarg vs. KevinM I would like to see more of. People should let them duke it out a bit without any interference.

This.

Cello is going if July isn't.

Super this.

Swords/Ran, me no like.

I get the Ran discomfort, but why Swords? He seems like pretty solid town imho.

Ooh July's case. I'll skim tonight and analyze tomorrow. Being 16's a b****. Oh... and I see there are no quotes. Ggs July .

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Just saw something stupid from July... and it's the FIRST thing I just so happen to glance at in the "case study": Gheb's interactions. Don't call em scum for that cuz who I think would have motivation to kill a town Gheb is probz the same person they think would wanna kill a town Gheb.

 

[#HBC | J]

Case Study of J:

Kevin: #723 however, he says he still prefers Kevin over others stated as possibly scummy, as if his opinion changed overNight (pun : P).

This is wrong, you have it backwards.

(J, reading this now, could you please tell us who you had in mind who would kill Gheb?).

Cello
J
Gord
KevinM
Swords

But that's WIFOM to debate on NKs indicating scum members.

Your "case" as you call it seems more like a play-by-play as to what I have been doing all game but I do not see very many call backs besides gentle fists (lol Hinata reference) that do not really accuse me as scum. You point out some things that you would like to see as scummy but it just does not seem genuine. I liked the read but I did not really gain much from it besides my own interactions with people contorted (that's an ugly word I guess but meh I'm tired) into making them seem scummy. You have some conflicting views on the GLG situation where you use it against me when you can by saying "J uses this to seem more townie and now look at GLG's flip. His interactions with GLG point to a more scummy reaction." However when you choose to use this for your defense you say, "J is actually setting me up to look bad but you gotta admit GLG was the most scummiest people coming into the game when I made that case on him." Which is contradicting. I'm comfortable with getting you up to lynch and forcing a claim out of you because that "case" is lack-luster. You try and using everything and anything you can grasp your hands on to try and make me look worse but it's just a play-by-play which is the best way to describe it and doesn't really do much. I need to think more about your post but initial read-through of it is a no ty.

July, state clearly in a single paragraph or sentence, why I am scum to you. Talk about the KevinM vs. Smarg. What about Joey's affirmation Ryker is town? Talk about Cello as well. Is Gord town?

 

[July]

Decisively not Smarg, or else she deff wouldn't have made that comment about one of GLG or J is scum", that was one big thing I picked up from my re-read. Most likely imo are Ran or Swords; Ran you have had very, very little interactions with and a lot of it has been advising him to stop asking certain questions that in all honesty could come across as scummy. Swords you've had some heated interactions with, but you keep pushing him back and back, always on the periphery and always a little antagonistic but never all out.

You've been on the same side as Ryker from Day 1, but Joey's recent activity, while annoying, makes me think this is just because you genuinely do like Ryker's playstyle, its easy for you to align yourself with him, and its good to have someone who is generally thought town on your side.

Interactions with Cello were really interesting, I wasn't really sure what to make of them, most decisive stand you had on him was just a few posts.

 

[#HBC | J]

Also, can you tell me why your vote is not on me after you made that "case" which shows everyone why I am mafia?

 

[July]

Just saw something stupid from July... and it's the FIRST thing I just so happen to glance at in the "case study": Gheb's interactions. Don't call em scum for that cuz who I think would have motivation to kill a town Gheb is probz the same person they think would wanna kill a town Gheb.

I did a case study of the interactions, not everything I list is scummy, some things (like parts of interactions with Smarg) are null; parts of interactions with Joey and GLG were legit-J decisively had better arguments that GLG in that, hands down. The Gheb thing was dealing with a question I still had, I address it in the Cello section I think but I threw the idea in there too in case it got lost.