Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[MagnesD3]

Well,that's just not true:

And Toon Link wasn't a FULL clone he had differences too, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

Note that when I say clone I am not reffering to someone EXACTLY the same as another character.

Clones are a traditional thing in SSB.

Wolf only needs his B down altered slightly and lucas needs his specials altered a bunch, other than that they are nowhere near being clones.

 

[TheTuninator]

Like Zoroark? Look how that turned out.

Lasting popularity is the most important because we can rely on it. The fact that Roy has stayed so popular for this long is astounding. It shows true love for the character.

But wasn't Roy himself "flavor of the month" when he was included in Melee, as his FE game had not yet released?

Inclusion in Smash will make any character popular, and I think it's a bit unfair to point to Roy's lasting popularity while deriding "flavor of the month" characters when Roy himself entered the Smash franchise under the exact same circumstances.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

error: mispost

 

[FalKoopa]

So which would be better?

I see I missed this.

The most likely scenarios are 2 and 5.
What I want to see among these is 2, though.

Meh, my favourite option isn't here.

EDIT: 4000 posts!

 

[Swamp Sensei]

But wasn't Roy himself "flavor of the month" when he was included in Melee, as his FE game had not yet released?

Inclusion in Smash will make any character popular, and I think it's a bit unfair to point to Roy's lasting popularity while deriding "flavor of the month" characters when Roy himself entered the Smash franchise under the exact same circumstances.

Nope. Roy was included to represent the franchise just like Marth was. Sakurai felt that Roy's fire sword made him stand out more than the other choices at the time (which is true).

And to that second point. Smash is not a guarantee to make a character popular.

Now to clarify, I'm not saying Chrom shouldn't get in. I think he should. I just think that Roy should have priority. My ideal FE roster would have Marth, Ike, Roy and Chrom (with Lyn as DLC).

I see I missed this.

The most likely scenarios are 2 and 5.

What I want to see is 4, though.

You want Ike cut?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Wolf only needs his B down altered slightly and lucas needs his specials altered a bunch, other than that they are nowhere near being clones.

Wolf only needs his B down altered slightly and lucas needs his specials altered a bunch, other than that they are nowhere near being clones.

Then what the heck are they?

 

[MagnesD3]

error: mispost

When I think of clones I think of dr. mario, young link, toon link, pichu, roy, melee falco (and somewhat brawl falco (FIX THIS)) and melee ganon. They are all basically the same as there original characters. Characters who are similar to other characters are wolf, lucas, luigi and brawl ganon, sure these similar characters need a little work to help differentiate them as well but the ones who I mentioned were clones need a TON of work.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Then what the heck are they?

Semi-clones at most? Slightly based off Fox and Ness? Maybe just, "Not clones"?

I mean, you honestly can't tell me that a character is a clone solely based on their specials being similar to another character's. If you looked at their regular moves, you'll find Wolf has nothing in common with Fox while Lucas shares a down-tilt and side smash with Ness and nothing more.

 

[TheTuninator]

Questions of who should get in aside, I wonder if we'll see Nintendo trying to do Awakening's Pair Up mechanic with Fire Emblem characters. That could be interesting, though I'd probably prefer to have the two characters involved as separate characters if at all possible.

 

[FalKoopa]

You want Ike cut?

Whoops. I thought that was Ike, not Chrom. *edits*

 

[Noler_Mass]

Lucario got into smash because of requests sir. He is a very popular pokemon.

And I never said how characters got that popularity. I just said Roy has a huge amount of it. While smash plays a huge part in it, he's also popular in Japan because of FE6 and his manga.

Zoroark and Chrom would be more popular if they made it into smash, but Lucario and Roy are still incredibly popular out of smash as well.

Chrom has a huge amount of requests too, and while that might fade come future installments it still is very prevalent now. Lucarios popularity would have likely faded into nothing had he not made it, but he did. Same with Roy in Melee. I know Roy and lucario are still popular, but this popularity is mainly caused by smash. Also I don't really understand how Chrom is flavor of the week, one lord per game is just how fire emblem works and awakening is one of the best selling games, recentness only helps his cause.

I also thought of something else. I know Roy is hugely requested, but I don't think that his addition will bring in as many fans as Chrom. You may be saying "BUT ROY ON DA POLLS". But think about it, Roy's popularity is mainly derived from smash. Through that we can assume that most of the people advocating Roy's return are people who are already fans of smash. It seems pretty obvious that not adding Roy won't lose anybody either because he was already cut in brawl, and has not had a major role in any game since Melee. In Chrom/other fire emblem characters case however, adding them could bring in fans of the fire emblem series who are not fans of smash bros. and Chrom himself already has a hefty fan base, not much smaller than Roy's. so adding Chrom will bring in more fans than adding Roy IMO.

 

[FalKoopa]

Chrom has a huge amount of requests too, and while that might fade come future installments it still is very prevalent now. Lucarios popularity would have likely faded into nothing had he not made it, but he did. Same with Roy in Melee. I know Roy and lucario are still popular, but this popularity is mainly caused by smash. Also I don't really understand how Chrom is flavor of the week, one lord per game is just how fire emblem works and awakening is one of the best selling games, recentness only helps his cause.

I also thought of something else. I know Roy is hugely requested, but I don't think that his addition will bring in as many fans as Chrom. You may be saying "BUT ROY ON DA POLLS". But think about it, Roy's popularity is mainly derived from smash. Through that we can assume that most of the people advocating Roy's return are people who are already fans of smash. It seems pretty obvious that not adding Roy won't lose anybody either because he was already cut in brawl, and has not had a major role in any game since Melee. In Chrom/other fire emblem characters case however, adding them could bring in fans of the fire emblem series who are not fans of smash bros. and Chrom himself already has a hefty fan base, not much smaller than Roy's. so adding Chrom will bring in more fans than adding Roy IMO.

You are assuming that Chrom fans are not a part of the Smash fanbase already, which I don't think is a good assumption.

I'd say that most of FE fans (at least 50%) have probably played Smash, as it was Smash that actually introduced us to Fire Emblem.

 

[Curious Villager]

Chrom has a huge amount of requests too, and while that might fade come future installments it still is very prevalent now. Lucarios popularity would have likely faded into nothing had he not made it, but he did. Same with Roy in Melee. I know Roy and lucario are still popular, but this popularity is mainly caused by smash. Also I don't really understand how Chrom is flavor of the week, one lord per game is just how fire emblem works and awakening is one of the best selling games, recentness only helps his cause.

This to the bolded underlined part. That's basically what I was trying to get at with Lucario. He was basically on the same boat during the Brawl day's as Chrom is right now. Also very popular because of his recent game (and movie) and GameFreak decided that they wanted go for him in Brawl. Chrom is pretty much on the same boat as Lucario was during Brawl. Fire Emblem Awakening became a massive success and if what I've heard is true. The series would have ended (or at least been on a very long hiatus) had Awakening not been a success since the series had been doing poorly. IS was very happy of what they achieved with the game, why would they not want a character in smash who's game basically saved its series ass. And if the polls are anything to go by, Chrom is also a very popular character.

Honestly, I'm not against Roy or whatever. Seriously, I don't see why the series doesn't deserve 4 character slots with Marth, Ike, Roy and Chrom. Smash veterans get their old favourites while fans of Awakening get their main character. Almost everyone will be happy. (Except for the Lyn, Anna, Lucina, *insert name of other fire Emblem character* fans of course...like me)

 

[Noler_Mass]

You are assuming that Chrom fans are not a part of the Smash fanbase already, which I don't think is a good assumption.

I'd say that most of FE fans (at least 50%) have probably played Smash, as it was Smash that actually introduced us to Fire Emblem.

Are you kidding?? 90% of the world has played smash bros.
Honestly smash is big enough that there aren't many fans at all to bring into the game, it's just a matter of getting the last few stragglers.

Also I agree that fire emblem should have 4 reps. Cutting Marth and Ike is a major no-no, while Chrom appeals to fire emblem fans, and reviving Roy seems to be the well liked opinion. I think Chrom should be priority though because fire emblem fans should get the say in who the fire emblem rep is.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Semi-clones at most? Slightly based off Fox and Ness? Maybe just, "Not clones"?

I mean, you honestly can't tell me that a character is a clone solely based on their specials being similar to another character's. If you looked at their regular moves, you'll find Wolf has nothing in common with Fox while Lucas shares a down-tilt and side smash with Ness and nothing more.

I DID look at there regular moves. I just didn't use the term semi-clone. Kind of assuming there

So yeah not having a semi-clone or whatever it's called in SSB4 is farfetched.

 

[AEMehr]

There might be one after SSB4 trailer is shown at E3 2013.

Well yeah, that would most likely happen. Or at least an estimate around the time it would be released.

That't not true. The game began development after Kid Icarus: Uprising released in March of 2012. It's been just over a year.

Oh wow I thought Uprising had been out longer. Guess I forgot.

3. Eirika takes up the spot as the Marth clone.

Does anybody want a Marth Clone though? Everybody that wants Roy back wants him decloned or Luigified. A Marth clone is not necessary or wanted so adding one is a bad idea for the most part.

Then what the heck are they?

green marios

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Are you kidding?? 90% of the world has played smash bros.
Honestly smash is big enough that there aren't many fans at all to bring into the game, it's just a matter of getting the last few stragglers.

Well, if you REALLY want to get Awakening fans attention. You should get Lucina. She would attract more Awakening fans then Chrom.

Picking a character with the intent to "get the stragglers" isn't all that good of a reason epsecially considering that there is no guarantee that Chrom (or anyone from Awakening) will sway the straggler's opinion.. Chrom is a popular and good choice. That's all that needs to be said. Same with Roy. Chances are we will get both characters if DLC is involved which would make me ecstatic

 

[Noler_Mass]

Well, if you REALLY want to get Awakening fans attention. You should get Lucina. She would attract more Awakening fans then Chrom.

Picking a character with the intent to "get the stragglers" isn't all that good of a reason epsecially considering that there is no guarantee that Chrom (or anyone from Awakening) will sway the stragglers opinion.. Chrom is a popular and good choice. That's all that needs to be said. Same with Roy. Chances are we will get both characters if DLC is involved which would make me ecstatic

...why would Lucina attract more fans than Chrom...

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Well yeah, that would most likely happen. Or at least an estimate around the time it would be released.



Oh wow I thought Uprising had been out longer. Guess I forgot.

Does anybody want a Marth Clone though? Everybody that wants Roy back wants him decloned or Luigified. A Marth clone is not necessary or wanted so adding one is a bad idea for the most part.


green marios

Wolf, Lucas, and Toon Link are green marios? What does that mean?

 

[FalKoopa]

...why would Lucina attract more fans than Chrom...

Apparently she is more popular among Awakening fans.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

...why would Lucina attract more fans than Chrom...

She's more popular in regards to FE.

Manly went and polled FE fans on their favorite lords and the two most popular lords were Ike (big surprise there amirite?) and Lucina. In regards to FE she is a much more popular character than Chrom. Chrom was somewhere in the middle of the poll if I remember correctly. Both Marth and Roy were right behind him (I think).

 

[FlareHabanero]

...why would Lucina attract more fans than Chrom...

Her hair.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Wolf, Lucas, and Toon Link are green marios? What does that mean?

Twas a joke sir.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Apparently she is more popular among Awakening fans.

But, wouldn't it be weird to have her over Chrom, the main character of the game.

 

[Noler_Mass]

She's more popular in regards to FE.

Manly went and polled FE fans on their favorite lords and the two most popular lords were Ike (big surprise there amirite?) and Lucina. In regards to FE she is a much more popular character than Chrom. Chrom was somewhere in the middle of the poll if I remember correctly. Both Marth and Roy were right behind him (I think).

Well regardless Chrom is still the main face of the game, and is more recognizable due to being advertised. Lucina wasn't advertised at all being the giant spoiler that she is so Chrom is definetly more recognizable, and only slightly under Lucina in popularity among fire emblem fans, so still the better pick.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

But, wouldn't it be weird to have her over Chrom, the main character of the game.

It would be.

I'm just saying that the point that Noler was making isn't all that good as Chrom isn't the best choice to "bring the stragglers to smash."

 

[FalKoopa]

But, wouldn't it be weird to have her over Chrom, the main character of the game.

Weird, yes. That's why she is believed to be less likely than Chrom.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Well regardless Chrom is still the main face of the game, and is more recognizable due to being advertised. Lucina wasn't advertised at all being the giant spoiler that she is so Chrom is definetly more recognizable, and only slightly under Lucina in popularity among fire emblem fans, so still the better pick.

Chrom is more recognizable. THAT is a good reason to include him not to pick up stragglers. Roy and Lyn have that bonus as well.

And Chrom is not just slightly under Lucina. Lucina was as popular as Ike sir. That's freaking amazing!

 

[Noler_Mass]

It would be.

I'm just saying that the point that Noler was making isn't all that good as Chrom isn't the best choice to "bring the stragglers to smash."

By stragglers I mean people who aren't fans of smash yet, not those who are just on edge about the game and just need a bit of pushing. Just for clarification.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I'm pretty sure Chrom is not going to be the character that brings in the stragglers, in fact I'd say he'd be the character that would be overlooked by other choices on account of him being a very unappealing character by comparison.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

By stragglers I mean people who aren't fans of smash yet, not those who are just on edge about the game and just need a bit of pushing. Just for clarification.

Well, if smash doesn't appeal to them, its likely an issue with the gameplay. Not characters. The only characters I could see swaying people's opinion are big third parties.

A hero from a somewhat small franchise isn't going to change anything.

 

[Bajef8]

Pokemon and FE are the series who have the biggest problems with Favor of the Week characters. Pokemon seems to always get a new rep in the form of a currently popular Pokemon, while ditching the older ones (Pichu and Mewtwo both being cut for Lucario in Brawl, with Mewtwo being hugely popular still). Fire Emblem did the same thing. Roy being the new and fresh guy, then being ditched for the next new and fresh FE character, Ike, with Roy maintaining his popularity. Melee and Brawl made these Flavor characters even more and more popular until, they moved from being a Flavor, to actually being loved for a very long time. This is why I think "the ditch the old, bring the new" trend for Pokemon and FE will stop with SSB4. Mewtwo and Roy are too popular to not be revived, as well as Ike and Lucario becoming so massive in popularity, which Smash furthered even more, that there's no way they get axed either.

 

[Curious Villager]

It's difficult to tell at this current point. Lets just wait for the trailer and some interviews before we draw any conclusions though.

 

[FalKoopa]

By stragglers I mean people who aren't fans of smash yet, not those who are just on edge about the game and just need a bit of pushing. Just for clarification.

Mega Man will pull them in.

 

[TheTuninator]

I think Chrom was more popular than Lucina overall, at least according to the poll that directed the swimsuit DLC. Lucina's main problem is that she is so similar to Marth visually that there'd probably be just too much room for confusion.

I'm pretty sure Chrom is not going to be the character that brings in the stragglers, in fact I'd say he'd be the character that would be overlooked by other choices on account of him being a very unappealing character by comparison.

I don't really get where the idea that Chrom is "unappealing" comes from. He does exceedingly well in all of the Awakening popularity polls that I've seen, as well as general internet discussion about the game.

 

[Noler_Mass]

Chrom is more recognizable. THAT is a good reason to include him not to pick up stragglers. Roy and Lyn have that bonus as well.

And Chrom is not just slightly under Lucina. Lucina was as popular as Ike sir. That's freaking amazing!

In the results of one poll. If Ike were in his prime he would clean up shop. I'm just saying that kind of thing fluctuates all the time I never take one poll into account. In fact this is the first I've heard of Lucina being just as popular as Ike. Most things I see rank her about the same or a little below Chrom. Chrom has the recognition and the popularity under his belt, so he is a perfect addition to bring in the last few fans, along with Ridley, king k, and Isaac. I feel like those four would take the biggest chunks out of the populous who aren't fans of smash yet. Characters like palutena, shulk, Roy, mewtwo, and little Mac will likely be well received, but I don't think they would bring many new fans in. The fan base is already so huge.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Is anybody concerned Chrom will be a Semi-Clone of Marth?

 

[Noler_Mass]

Mega Man will pull them in.

*might if he is in the game

Honestly everyone here seems to assume that mega man is in the game for sure, and it dumbfounds me. Like I know he would make a perfect character, but he isn't Nintendo property in the least bit! Why is he such a guarantee...

 

[TheTuninator]

Is anybody concerned Chrom will be a Semi-Clone of Marth?

Nah. Ike was fine, any subsequent FE lords will be fine.

I'd really like to see an FE character without Counter. I think that'd be interesting. Give them something else cool instead.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

Chrom is more recognizable. THAT is a good reason to include him not to pick up stragglers. Roy and Lyn have that bonus as well.

And Chrom is not just slightly under Lucina. Lucina was as popular as Ike sir. That's freaking amazing!

Even if she did better in the polls, if chrom was selected it would be like with any character once they get into smash bros and their popularity will skyrocket. There will be no question as to who has more popularity after, and anything previously wouldnt matter in the end.