Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[CrusherMania1592]

...so we talking 'bout clones now? Just bring in Lucina for everyone to complain

 

[TheLastJinjo]

That depends on your definition of necessary, I suppose. Care to lay it out for me?

Somebody that is eventually needed to properly represent the series. I think we can get by with the 2 Samus's and no Ridley. Unlike Brawl at that time there was no way we could get by in that game without Diddy, Meta Knight, Dedede, and Wario like we could in the other games.

 

[FlareHabanero]

...so we talking 'bout clones now? Just bring in Lucina for everyone to complain

People would only complain about the redundancies. I mean, Marth is already a girl, so having an even more girly girl version would be kind of odd.

 

[Johnknight1]

True, however a leak isn't necessarily synonymous with reveal. I'd like to see any Pokemon character at this point (except Jigglypuff because we all know she's in already).

The only reasons any part of me wants veterans confirmed is to show improvements (in the case of Jigglypuff the de-Brawlinization of her) or (mostly) to shut the haters up.

You guys have no idea how much fun I had dancing all over the faces of Toon Link haters after he was revealed in both Brawl and Smash Wii U/3DS. Heck, in the former situation, I actually called out someone who called me a pedo because I thought Toon Link was a great version of Link, and I scurred his butt off Nsider!

Still, nothing beats me scaring someone off the internet after they made a $50 bet with me over Diddy Kong's playable character status in Brawl (I said yes, they said "never").

 

[TumblrFamous]

Well, I wouldn't call Zero Suit Samus a new "rep". She's Samus again, so it's "representing" the exact same thing. In fact, I would barely even call her a new character, since she's essentially just part of Samus' moveset...though people could disagree with me on that. Hypothetically, it'd be like if in Melee, Zelda had no Shiek, then they added her in Brawl as Zelda's new Down Special.

Then everyone's opinion changed when Sakurai said Brawl had 39 characters.

I always thought of ZSS as a new rep for the Metroid series. Rather, I saw her as a half-rep. Something that would be cool and unique for Smash, yet not exactly what we wanted. In fact, not at ALL what we wanted. And plus she was part of Samus's moveset. I view her as her own character, as I view Sheik as her own character. Pokemon Trainer is technically three, but I just call him Pokemon Trainer.

 

[Johnknight1]

Brawl's roster would be near perfect (for its' size) if Mewtwo was its' 40th character.

Ridley is the Bowser of Metroid. He is the second most important character, and is largely involved with the plot of several games of the series. Not to mention, he is generally iconic of the series.

He's the only other character for Metroid that SHOULD be added. If we get one at all. ZSS is a joke of a second character.

I wouldn't call ZSS a joke, but Ridley is definitely the series' #2.

Ridley straight up is Samus' arch-nemesis, and unlike Link and Ganondorf/Mario and Bowser, it isn't "he stole my princess!" but "he killed my parents, my people, and threatens to destroy all the good in the Galaxy."

Plus, c'mon! Those Ridley battles as Samus are epic!!! It would be awesome to fight one from the other sides' perspective within the realm of Smash Brothers.

 

[MargnetMan23]

People would only complain about the redundancies. I mean, Marth is already a girl, so having an even more girly girl version would be kind of odd.

Part of me wants an alternative marth skin where he wears a mask just to screw with everyone

Game & Watch and Ness are worse than Mewtwo by far, and weren't scrapped nor made expendable for Brawl despite being more plausible cuts.

You make Mr. Game and Watch sad

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Ridley is the Bowser of Metroid. He is the second most important character, and is largely involved with the plot of several games of the series. Not to mention, he is generally iconic of the series.

He's the only other character for Metroid that SHOULD be added. If we get one at all. ZSS is a joke of a second character.

I disagree entirely. Not having her in her Zero Suit form would be kind of a joke especially with Samus having so many forms. I agree Ridley is the bowser of Metroid, but he's not more important than Zero Suit Samus. You may think that ZSS Samus is a joke, but Sakurai clearly doesn't. I just think Samus represents the series sufficiently by herself just like Pit does. It's my own opinion. I just feel Ridley is more expendable as a stage or a boss, but that he clearly deserves the spot. I just think we could get by without him.

I wouldn't hate on a character for technically being the same person. It's such a naive thing to do especially when she has almost no relation to her suit.

 

[?????????????]

We need more females,villains and bandanas.

I think this fits all of your criteria:

I agree Ridley is the bowser of Metroid, but he's not more important than Zero Suit Samus.

Please feel free to correct me on this, but I read this as:

"We could have Metroid games without Ridley, but not without Zero Suit Samus. Zero Suit Samus is more necessary to the series than Ridley."

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Please feel free to correct me on this, but I read this as:

"We could have Metroid games without Ridley, but not without Zero Suit Samus. Zero Suit Samus is more necessary to the series than Ridley."

Necessary to the series =/= Necessary to the representation of a series in a fighting game

 

[Johnknight1]

...How about we need more important Nintendo 1st and 2nd party characters with unique, fun, and interesting movesets, skillsets, and playstyles in theory that have a high probability to translating to fun characters to play as in new smash brothers entries from here on out.

No offense, but I'll take that over having "mroe femaluhs!!" and "mroe heavywughts!!!" and "murh relveunt curreunt characturtzSSSS!!!" any day of any week.

 

[TumblrFamous]

I think this fits all of your criteria:

I would not at all be upset if she got in.

Too bad Sakurai calls it the WarioWare series, not just Wario.

 

[Zhadgon]

I was referring to absolutely necessary reps. Not incredibly requested ones in NA.

I don´t even know why I´m responding to this but Ridley is important even more than what you think of the character or the series.
.n_n.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Wait wait wait...are we really getting into a discussion where two Samus' are better than Samus and Ridley? I need to lie down...

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I disagree entirely. Not having her in her Zero Suit form would be kind of a joke especially with Samus having so many forms. I agree Ridley is the bowser of Metroid, but he's not more important than Zero Suit Samus. You may think that ZSS Samus is a joke, but Sakurai clearly doesn't. I just think Samus represents the series sufficiently by herself just like Pit does. It's my own opinion. I just feel Ridley is more expendable as a stage or a boss, but that he clearly deserves the spot. I just think we could get by without him.

I wouldn't hate on a character for technically being the same person. It's such a naive thing to do especially when she has almost no relation to her suit.

I don't hate ZSS and I have no idea where that came from.

When people want a character for Smash Bros., they want a character that is fleshed out. ZSS is a decent add. But she isn't enough to fully represent Metroid. While Samus is portrayed as a lone wolf, let's not forget why she's a lone wolf.

Some asshole space pirate ruined her life. Ridley is basically the entire reason why the series exists.

 

[SuperBrawler]

I would not at all be upset if she got in.

Too bad Sakurai calls it the WarioWare series, not just Wario.

I don't know why but I support Jimmy T.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I don´t even know why I´m responding to this but Ridley is important even more than what you think of the character or the series.

Once, again I'm not talking about who is most important to a series, but who is absolutely necessary as a playable character that we clearly can't get by without.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Wait wait wait...are we really getting into a discussion where two Samus' are better than Samus and Ridley? I need to lie down...

Samus Aran is more important than Ridley. That includes Zero Suit and her regular attire, or armor....

Ridley is the second most important character, behind the character Samus. No matter it be Zero Suit or regular old Samus, they're both the same person.

 

[?????????????]

Necessary to the series =/= Necessary to the representation of a series in a fighting game

But...isn't Super Smash Bros. supposed to be a crossover fighting game of Nintendo's biggest all-stars? Are you telling me that Zero Suit Samus is more of a Nintendo all-star than Ridley?

 

[BKupa666]

Ridley is unnecessary because Metroid is all about isolation. By proxy, only heroes should be playable, since interaction with enemies doesn't count.

Thing is, though most people don't subscribe to that mindset, they still devalue enemies as a whole by arguing that any given playable hero is more important than any given main villain.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Once, again I'm not talking about who is most important to a series, but who is absolutely necessary as a playable character that we clearly can't get by without.

Ridley IS Necessary, he's the main villain and he is as big a part of the franchise as Samus herself, especially considering that without Ridley, Samus and the series of Metroid wouldn't exist.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Zero Suit Samus and Samus are literally the same person! Why are we getting into this argument?

I'm gonna go to bed.

 

[Gene]

I don't think Palutena would be a clone. Ganondorf sharing C. Falcon's made sense.

How the **** does this make ANY kind of sense? And unfortunately Sakurai also thinks this is okay.

 

[?????????????]

Samus Aran is more important than Ridley. That includes Zero Suit and her regular attire, or armor....

Ridley is the second most important character, behind the character Samus. No matter it be Zero Suit or regular old Samus, they're both the same person.

Now, this is all hypothetical, but if I'm going into Devil's Advocate extremities on this point...

This means that Samus, Zero Suit Samus, Fusion Suit Samus, Gravity Suit Samus, etc. should outprioritize Ridley in SSB.

Thus, this means that Mario, Baby Mario, Raccoon Mario, Metal Mario, Dr. Mario, etc. should outprioritize Bowser in SSB.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Also, I think the all-stars label is a bit of a misdemeanor considering we have several characters that clearly shouldn't fall under that, but still appear anyway.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

But it's not the Metroid character we wanted. We want Ridley.

I mean, think of it like if the new Fire Emblem rep was Kellam. Okay, I guess he's a unique addition. More people would still rather have Roy or Chrom, though. We didn't ask for just another Metroid representative. We asked for the second Metroid representative to be Ridley. Easy enough of a concept for someone to want characters over representation, right?

Kellam? Who's Kellam?

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Somebody that is eventually needed to properly represent the series. I think we can get by with the 2 Samus's and no Ridley. Unlike Brawl at that time there was no way we could get by in that game without Diddy, Meta Knight, Dedede, and Wario like we could in the other games.

"Eventually"? I'm not sure if I get what you're saying. Like, a character to represent the series of question in Smash Bros.? I would definitely say Ridley is necessary then, considering he's been in every Metroid game except Metroid II, Prime Hunters, and Prime 2. Being the second most recurrent character in a series as cherished and veteran as Metroid sounds like a complete necessity to me. The fact that Dedede and Meta Knight have a lower attendance rate than Ridley should only make that more apparent if they're already in Smash Bros.

Again, just because someone like Jigglypuff may be confirmed for Smash Bros. doesn't mean Mewtwo shouldn't be allowed under some sort of limit. Same logic with ZSS and Ridley.

 

[kingmario92]

I have nothing interesting to say

 

[Johnknight1]

Ridley is unnecessary because Metroid is all about isolation. By proxy, only heroes should be playable, since interaction with enemies doesn't count.

Thing is, though most people don't subscribe to that mindset, they still devalue enemies as a whole by arguing that any given playable hero is more important than any given main villain.

One could say that about Mario, Zelda, or any number of series.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Kellam? Who's Kellam?

Sounds like a type of car.

 

[Chandeelure]

Some people are really weird,they say that we need more Samus characters because Zero Suit Samus is only Samus and is not a new character,and then they say that Ridley is more important than Zero Suit Samus,who is Samus,the most important character...

 

[BluePikmin11]

Kellam? Who's Kellam?

Just ignore Kellam

 

[?????????????]

Kellam? Who's Kellam?

 

[MargnetMan23]

Plus, c'mon! Those Ridley battles as Samus are epic!!! It would be awesome to fight one from the other sides' perspective within the realm of Smash Brothers.

I only played Super Metroid (recently I might add) and though I'm not that qualified but I wasn't that big of a fan of the Ridley boss fight XD (wait... Which boss fights DID I like particularly from that game? IDK for some reason as great of a game that is I didn't get much of a rush from the boss fights... I liked those Chozo statue things though)

 

[Johnknight1]

Also, I think the all-stars label is a bit of a misdemeanor considering we have several characters that clearly shouldn't fall under that, but still appear anyway.

Yeah, but they wind up being "All-Stars" to an extent... at least in gameplay.

Well, except Pichu. (although it probably is technically a Nintendo All-Star).

 

[Hotfeet444]

Samus Aran is more important than Ridley. That includes Zero Suit and her regular attire, or armor....

Ridley is the second most important character, behind the character Samus. No matter it be Zero Suit or regular old Samus, they're both the same person.

Ridley is the reason Samus is who she is...he's the very reason the series exists. Zero Suit Samus is still Samus, and was a single overall form used by her for combat and exploration in one title. Ridley is just as important to the franchise as Samus.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Weird, a reply to a quotation without an actual response.

 

[BKupa666]

One could say that about Mario, Zelda, or any number of series.

My point exactly. It's just toobigot fodder from people who have never played a Metroid game, and yet know too few people will call them out on this.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Kellam? Who's Kellam?

Not sure if getting the entire shtick of his character or genuinely asking.

(The joke is that everybody forgets about him all the time in-game.)

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Clearly what I'm trying to get across is being mistooken entirely. Ridley is necessary, but not essential. Maybe I worded it wrong, but one could even argue that Mario & Luigi are all that are necessary, but it's opinion, k. Clearly Ridley is deserving and necessary for obvious reasons, but I don't feel he is absolutely essential to get by in Smash Brothers 4 as a playable character.

Yes, I said mistooken