Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[BluePikmin11]

Palutena... well I cannot say on the matter on how she would play considering there isn't of a basis on gameplay prospective to work off on. Being a heavy-weight character with an emphasis on projectiles and spacing seems to be the most obvious.

I was thinking she'd be more lightweight like Zelda.

 

[Starcutter]

good time to bring up yoshi.

so who's a viable rep besides kamek and the baby bros.?

 

[kikaru]

You're right, sorry. I'll drop it, just needed to get that off my chest. Course, a stress ball also works. Or screaming into a pillow.

I'd be shocked and disappointed if Lucario made it before Mewtwo. And I'm indifferent towards Fire Emblem, Roy is a fine choice.

So, how about Kid Icarus? We haven't talked about that series in a while.

Pit's new moveset shows vasts improvements from the one he had in Brawl, at least this time around his movepool will be more characteristic of him thanks to Uprising.

As for newcomers Palutena would be my personal pick, we also completed a perler sprite for her not too long ago and added her to the wall. Unfortunately it's rather small but if she does get confirmed and if we do decided to upgrade the wall, which we most likely will, we'll probably make a larger and more detailed sprite for her.

 

[BluePikmin11]

good time to bring up yoshi.

so who's a viable rep besides kamek and the baby bros.?

Shy Guy!

 

[FlareHabanero]

I was thinking she'd be more lightweight like Zelda.

Nah, I'm expecting more of heavy-weight prospective. She wears a lot of jewelry and is kind of tall, so naturally that came to mind. Like a weight of somewhere around 107-109.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Another thing: if a newcomer has obvious semi-clone potential, that's almost certainly what they'll be. Looking at, for example, Toon Link, could he have had an entirely unique moveset? Most certainly. Based on his similarities to Link, was it probable that he'd have an entirely unique moveset? Most certainly not. This applies to guys like Wolf and Lucas, and will almost definitely apply to Chrom if he's in. Could he be entirely unique by switching stances? Yeah, but it's a longshot considering his similarities to not one, but two existing characters...with him, it's similar to the Toad situation where people desperately try and fail to paint him as anything but a dullard you nod your head along to while anticipating what better characters will follow down the pipeline.

This is very true sir. I always thought Toon Link could have Moveset potential, but he's obviously a Link clone. Chrom would obviously be a clone. Dixie Kong and Paper Mario too. Even Ganondorf is a clone of Captain Falco for no reason.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Shy Guy!

He beat me to it.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Nah, I'm expecting more of heavy-weight prospective. She wears a lot of jewelry and is kind of tall, so naturally that came to mind. Like a weight of somewhere around 107-109.

So basically a heavier Zelda, only with weaker projectiles.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I was thinking she'd be more lightweight like Zelda.

no, i want some heavy female characters

In Brawl the only heavyweight female was Samus.

Samus is lonely.

Pls give samus friends

 

[TumblrFamous]

Nah, I'm expecting more of heavy-weight prospective. She wears a lot of jewelry and is kind of tall, so naturally that came to mind. Like a weight of somewhere around 107-109.

I'd be fine with that. Generally I main Lightweights, but it'd be fun to play as Athena-I-mean-Palutena every once in a while.

 

[BKupa666]

This seems like a great time to bring up Dixie Kong

I believe this applies to Dixie, Bowser Jr., and Roy, and probably Krystal as well (as well as Toon Sheik being an actual toon Sheik, not Tetra). People tend to steer clear of considering their character semi-clone material because they know their character will receive backlash if this is the case, and will be placed at the top of the chopping block in subsequent sequels. Personally, I think the semi-clone argument is quite helpful to a character's chances, given that there has yet to be a Smash game without them; it's just when people make them out to be on the same level as the fully unique A-grade newcomers rather than last-minute bonuses that I find myself disagreeing.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I don't think Palutena would be a clone. Ganondorf sharing C. Falcon's made sense because they were just generic fighting moves that originated from Smash itself and not of F-Zero or Zelda. I also think Palutena would be a starter and we can't have 2 starters with the same moves. I see no reason to clone her.

 

[TumblrFamous]

I don't think Palutena would be a clone. Ganondorf sharing C. Falcon's made sense because they were just generic fighting moves that originated from Smash itself and not of F-Zero or Zelda. I also think Palutena would be a starter and we can't have 2 starters with the same moves. I see no reason to clone her.

I doubt she would be a clone. If anything she'll have maybe like two attacks similar to Zelda. Not even.

 

[MargnetMan23]

I believe this applies to Dixie, Bowser Jr., and Roy, and probably Krystal as well (as well as Toon Sheik being an actual toon Sheik, not Tetra). People tend to steer clear of considering their character semi-clone material because they know their character will receive backlash if this is the case, and will be placed at the top of the chopping block in subsequent sequels. Personally, I think the semi-clone argument is quite helpful to a character's chances, given that there has yet to be a Smash game without them; it's just when people make them out to be on the same level as the fully unique A-grade newcomers rather than last-minute bonuses that I find myself disagreeing.

True dat, and good ole' BJ () is my most wanted Mario rep. Though honestly even if he's JUST a faster Bowser I wouldn't mind, Toon Link is really fun to play as.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Meh. Clones schmones. Let's talk about something else!

Like how the N64 logo would be a great character!

I think Palutena has a shot, but she is certainly not a necessary character to be added.

Has that Mewtwo "leak" been proven wrong or right yet? I'm pretty sure it's false but it was at least nice to get excited about something like that. Once the Pokemon character is revealed, it's going to be a tough month. We've been spoiled.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Pls give samus friends

Would you be mad if I said that Samus & ZSS Samus are all we really need. I mean we got 2 Metroid reps like everyone wanted. Which is also a good reason to separate them.

Samus has always been the only necessary Metroid rep in my opinion. I think a second Samus is exactly what we needed and it should stay that way.

 

[MargnetMan23]

Meh. Clones schmones. Let's talk about something else!

Like how the N64 logo would be a great character!

I think Palutena has a shot, but she is certainly not a necessary character to be added.

Has that Mewtwo "leak" been proven wrong or right yet? I'm pretty sure it's false but it was at least nice to get excited about something like that. Once the Pokemon character is revealed, it's going to be a tough month. We've been spoiled.

I kind of wish Sakurai would just reveal all of the obvious vet returns soon I don't want to deal with every exciting new reveal just being like, "yes we still have Marth." NO ****ING ****

 

[TumblrFamous]

Has that Mewtwo "leak" been proven wrong or right yet? I'm pretty sure it's false but it was at least nice to get excited about something like that. Once the Pokemon character is revealed, it's going to be a tough month. We've been spoiled.

Oh, we sure have. It's all because we've seen a total of three characters in a span of around 30 days.

I think it's been proven false, just really good photoshopping.

I still hope for Mewtwo to be revealed this week, but I doubt it. I actually wanna see Pokemon Trainer, so we technically get to see three characters in one day

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I kind of wish Sakurai would just reveal all of the obvious vet returns soon

Isn't that exactly what he's doing and exactly what we DON'T want him to do?

I want my newcomers dammit, hell I'll even settle for a cut veteran. IT'S BEEN 4 MONTHS!!!!!!

 

[SuperBrawler]

Would you be mad if I said that Samus & ZSS Samus are all we really need. I mean we got 2 Metroid reps like everyone wanted. Which is also a good reason to separate them.

Samus has always been the only necessary Metroid rep in my opinion. I think a second Samus is exactly what we needed and it should stay that way.

Yeah it's totally not like everyone wanted Ridley.

 

[FlareHabanero]

To be blunt, I would want to see Marth revealed earlier then usual so that people claiming he's going to be cut can choke on a ****, especially from the people coveting for Lucina.

Alternatively, Ike. Because his appearance would really stir up things.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I kind of wish Sakurai would just reveal all of the obvious vet returns soon I don't want to deal with every exciting new reveal just being like, "yes we still have Marth." NO ****ING ****

It would be nice if during the next trailer he just reveals the god-tier of obvious characters like Wario, Yoshi, Marth, C.Falcon, Ness, Zelda, Meta Knight or Dedede. I just want NEW ****.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Yeah it's totally not like everyone wanted Ridley.

I was referring to absolutely necessary reps. Not incredibly requested ones in NA.

 

[Johnknight1]

A lot of people like putting words in other people's mouths. I really hate that.

If you want the blanks filled in, the best way to do that is to ask.

I find a lot of people don't ask, and they fill in the blanks with what I don't say and just go off on a tangent.

Yay.

I no rite=???

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Would you be mad if I said that Samus & ZSS Samus are all we really need. I mean we got 2 Metroid reps like everyone wanted. Which is also a good reason to separate them.

Samus has always been the only necessary Metroid rep in my opinion. I think a second Samus is exactly what we needed and it should stay that way.

But it's not the Metroid character we wanted. We want Ridley.

I mean, think of it like if the new Fire Emblem rep was Kellam. Okay, I guess he's a unique addition. More people would still rather have Roy or Chrom, though. We didn't ask for just another Metroid representative. We asked for the second Metroid representative to be Ridley. Easy enough of a concept for someone to want characters over representation, right?

I was referring to absolutely necessary reps. Not incredibly requested ones in NA.

B-but, ZSS isn't necessary...

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Oh, we sure have. It's all because we've seen a total of three characters in a span of around 30 days.

I think it's been proven false, just really good photoshopping.

I still hope for Mewtwo to be revealed this week, but I doubt it. I actually wanna see Pokemon Trainer, so we technically get to see three characters in one day

True, however a leak isn't necessarily synonymous with reveal. I'd like to see any Pokemon character at this point (except Jigglypuff because we all know she's in already).

 

[TheLastJinjo]

It would be nice if during the next trailer he just reveals the god-tier of obvious characters like Wario, Yoshi, Marth, C.Falcon, Ness, Zelda, Meta Knight or Dedede. I just want NEW ****.

We can confirm my theory that the next newcomer(s) would be revealed in a trailer as the first trailer was labeled "Trailer 1" on the SmashBros YouTube Channel.

If you want the blanks filled in, the best way to do that is to ask.

So don't. (Just messing with you, we all do it at some point)

 

[TumblrFamous]

Yeah it's totally not like everyone wanted Ridley.

True, everyone wants Ridley.

I've shared my opinion on Ridley before, and my main stance is basically whatever Sakurai does in this game will determine his fate. Obviously if he's playable, then there. But if we don't see him as anything but a boss or a stage hazard, then I doubt his appearance in possible future games. Maybe, if Sakurai doesn't add him this game, that will set him in stone as what he is for the Smash franchise.

 

[Gene]

Some say Smash needs more females, others say Smash needs more villains. Fear no longer, for I found the perfect new FE character.

That's right, Aversa from Fire Emblem: Awakening. She can use magic too, so she would have a unique and fun moveset, right?

*Attempts to object*
*Gets face forcibly shoved into chest*
*Suffocates*

I hope this really happened because I'll start playing Fire Emblem if it did.

 

[Johnknight1]

no, i want some heavy female characters

In Brawl the only heavyweight female was Samus.

Samus is lonely.

Pls give samus friends

Well, according to some sources her greatest rival is also a female (although some say male) in Ridley...

Plus, Ridley could provide that extra aerial expertise the roster could DEFINITELLLLY use.

 

[Deleted member]

What, that the fact Mewtwo was terribly designed in Melee didn't have an effect on him being cut in Brawl=??? Like at all=???

I dunno, because of the 4 characters cut, 3 of them had gigantic problems with their movesets, and the 1 that didn't was a carbon copy of Mario.

I think you gotta be crazy not to connect those dots like even a little bit.

No, it didn't.
All you're doing is connecting to dots on a damn jaguar. Sure you can see dots, but they don't connect into something that makes a lick of sense.

Of the five characters cut, we had:
-A poorly received joke character who happened to be an expendable last minute clone. (Wasn't even planned for a return.)
-An expendable last minute clone replaced by a different expendable last minute clone.
-Two more expendable last minute clones that were actually planned to return.
-A Pokémon that was not nearly as much a "hot ticket" (something Sakurai has reportedly said he looks for) as it was prior to Brawl.

And then the other set of Brawl's expendable characters:
The ones that made it:

-Another Pokémon that was not nearly as much as "hot ticket" as it was in the past.
-The expendable last minute clone that replaced another last minute clone.
-(Initially) yet another expendable last minute clone. (He was changed up to be made more worthwhile.)

The ones that didn't make it:

-A presumed expendable last-minute clone after initial plan for a tag-team didn't work out.
-A set of last minute clones that copied the gimmick of another character AND created a character that theoretically doesn't exist.
-An unknown character that people falsely assume was a tag-team of expendable last minute clones to replace the before mentioned joke character expendable last minute clone.

So no, to think that Mewtwo's moveset not "working" was at all a reason he was scrapped is insanity.
Game & Watch and Ness are worse than Mewtwo by far, and weren't scrapped nor made expendable for Brawl despite being more plausible cuts.

 

[TumblrFamous]

True, however a leak isn't necessarily synonymous with reveal. I'd like to see any Pokemon character at this point (except Jigglypuff because we all know she's in already).

Don't mention the J-word! Morbid's Jiggly Senses will start to tingle!

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

We can confirm my theory that the next newcomer(s) would be revealed in a trailer as the first trailer was labeled "Trailer 1" on the SmashBros YouTube Channel.

I'm pretty sure everybody had that theory.

 

[Frostwraith]

I hope this really happened because I'll start playing Fire Emblem if it did.

It happens when you marry your Avatar (player character/custom unit) with her. Not all Fire Emblem games have marriages nor player customized units, though.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Quick question, does Golden seriously have me on ignore?

But it's not the Metroid character we wanted. We want Ridley.

Does that somehow make him needed/necessary to add?

Game & Watch and Ness are worse than Mewtwo by far

I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. I've even won more matches with Pichu than Mewtwo.

And Young Link & Toon Link are not expendable last minute clones. To be honest, Ganondorf was actually added because Sakurai couldn't think of any more clones, so he was clearly considered before our main villian.

 

[Johnknight1]

So no, to think that Mewtwo's moveset not "working" was at all a reason he was scrapped is insanity.
Game & Watch and Ness are worse than Mewtwo by far, and weren't scrapped nor made expendable for Brawl despite being more plausible cuts.

Game & Watch's moveset was pretty good in Melee. The problem was his defense sucks, due to him having weird defensive frame amounts and how easy it was to juggle him.

Ness just had frame issues. He had too much pre- and post-move lag, and too little range. Oh, and his recovery sucked. In Smash 64, this all was less of an issue. His moveset truth be told is pretty amazing, it is just it hasn't been fully realized in terms of how great it could be if he got it going on a few cylinders.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Does that somehow make him needed/necessary to add?

That depends on your definition of necessary, I suppose. Care to lay it out for me?

 

[Chandeelure]

We need more females,villains and bandanas.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Does that somehow make him needed/necessary to add?

Ridley is the Bowser of Metroid. He is the second most important character, and is largely involved with the plot of several games of the series. Not to mention, he is generally iconic of the series.

He's the only other character for Metroid that SHOULD be added. If we get one at all. ZSS is a joke of a second character.

 

[?????????????]

Well, I wouldn't call Zero Suit Samus a new "rep". She's Samus again, so it's "representing" the exact same thing. In fact, I would barely even call her a new character, since she's essentially just part of Samus' moveset...though people could disagree with me on that. Hypothetically, it'd be like if in Melee, Zelda had no Shiek, then they added her in Brawl as Zelda's new Down Special.