Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[BluePikmin11]

It isn't happening, so long as Square Enix owns him and all Super Mario RPG properties.

all Nintendo has to do is ask for the rights of Geno, if Sakurai wanted him to be in Smash.

 

[Arcadenik]

Why?

A robot or a logo... which one do you think is fit for combat?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

, I think Meowth is the most important, recurring, iconic Pokemon we have yet to see playable in Super Smash Bros.

Not outside of the anime he isn't. Like, AT ALL.

A robot or a logo... which one do you think is fit for combat?

Your logic:

A Robot or a black stick figure... which one do you think is more fit for combat.

if Sakurai wanted him to be in Smash.

Which he most certainly does NOT.

 

[Johnknight1]

I still don't get the Pac-Man hate entirely. People don't seem to understand Crapcom made his awful Street Fighter X Tekken moveset and whatnot, not the Tekken crew at Namco Bandai. I'm sure the latter crew probably has an amazing moveset in mind with him if he is indeed playable. And if not=??? Either Sakurai and his crew that's returning from Brawl has great ideas for Pac-Man, or Pac-Man simply won't be playable. It is that easy of a proposition.

Heck, that's why I don't understand the hate for a lot of characters (specifically Krystal, whose uniqueness is self-evident).

all Nintendo has to do is ask for the rights of Geno, if Sakurai wanted him to be in Smash.

You mean ask and pay a ton of money for a character few people wanna see=???

Honestly, unless Nintendo plans to revive Super Mario RPG, they won't do it. Considering how Paper Mario is sales-wise well off (maybe sans Stupid Star) and Mario & Luigi is a quality franchise that sells, Nintendo has no need for Super Mario RPG. There's no point in complaining about it.

Also, why would they go for Geno over say Simon Belmont, Ryu (Ninja Gaiden), Rayman, Pac-Man, Tails, etc.=???

 

[Morbi]

all Nintendo has to do is ask for the rights of Geno, if Sakurai wanted him to be in Smash.

That is all Nintendo needs to do to get Goku or Master Chief in Smash.

Also. I woke up with 40 alerts. I feel special.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Also, why would they go for Geno over say Simon Belmont, Ryu (Ninja Gaiden), Rayman, Pac-Man, Tails, etc.=???

Rayman and Simon Belmont over Bomberman?

 

[Arcadenik]

A Robot or a black stick figure... which one do you think is more fit for combat.

That stick figure... actually did stuff... the logo did not.

 

[Chandeelure]

If we get a 5th Mario character:
Geno please..

 

[TheLastJinjo]

That stick figure... actually did stuff... the logo did not.

Neither did ROB. He turned slowly and broke down half the time. Fox didn't do stuff either.

 

[Johnknight1]

Rayman and Simon Belmont over Bomberman?

I'd take Simon Belmont over quite a few of the Brawl newcomers, actually. There's no way Simon Belmont wouldn't be a BAMF character. NO WAY!!!

But eh, I did forget Bomberman!!! Professor Layton and Phoenix Wright too!!!

Still, that wasn't the point. The point was that Geno is a low priority 3rd party character, whether we like it or not.

 

[Morbi]

Roy. Of course, I support Chrom more and I think Chrom is more likely, but the straight answer to your question, in my opinion, is Roy.



That's fine; I know that Meowth is not an overly popular choice; even more than Ridley, he's been the character I've gotten the most flak about being in my roster...well, he isn't in my roster anymore, but you know.

Even so, I think Meowth is the most important, recurring, iconic Pokemon we have yet to see playable in Super Smash Bros. My reasons for justifying him would be similar to Ridley.

You are not alone. I also really want to see Meowth. There is so much potential for a move-set. Seeing Jigglypuff vs Meowth vs Pikachu would be a dream come true.

 

[Johnknight1]

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[N3ON]

Well, then if/when Chrom gets in Smash, he will automatically become popular and iconic.

Ofc. Once you're in Smash you're on the A-List.

I prefer Geno over any other Mario newcomer..

Me too. But I can separate want from expect.

all Nintendo has to do is ask for the rights of Geno, if Sakurai wanted him to be in Smash.

Simple as that is it?
Forget the fact that Sakurai probably doesn't care about no-longer-popular minor characters he'd have to pay to use and go through legal hell so a small crowd can be pleased? What about the fact that SE is notoriously difficult to work with in regards to characters?

Nope, all he has to do is ask.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Also. I woke up with 40 alerts. I feel special.

Can you justify getting 10 likes of your status from the same gal at the same time as spam? Or do I have a secret admirer?

 

[Autumn ♫]

Not outside of the anime he isn't. Like, AT ALL.

Neither is Pikachu(who became the Mascot of Pokemon because of the anime), Jigglypuff, Lucario, and debatably Mewtwo.

 

[Arcadenik]

Neither did ROB. He turned slowly and broke down half the time. Fox didn't do stuff either.

Well, that's because Sakurai took his R.O.B. to Nintendo Tech Support and they fixed it up.

At least Fox has the proper body type that enables him to fight.

 

[Johnknight1]

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(Still no Impa or Palutena, lol!!!!)

 

[TheLastJinjo]

At least Fox has the proper body type that enables him to fight.

He's only a little flatter than Starfy. He can also spin and sidewalk when moving.

Neither is Pikachu(who became the Mascot of Pokemon because of the anime), Jigglypuff, Lucario, and debatably Mewtwo.

That's not true. After he became the mascot he was advertised and recurring in all the games. Meowth wasn't. Pikachu even got his own game and was the main character of all the spin off Pokemon titles.

Also, all of those Pokemon besides Jigglypuff are popular and iconic outside the anime.

 

[Arcadenik]

Ofc. Once you're in Smash you're on the A-List.

It makes me wonder why some people don't want some characters to be in Smash...

"I hate Tingle! I don't want him to be in Smash!" could also be translated as "I hate Tingle so much that I don't want anyone to like Tingle ever! So I will do everything in my power to ensure that Tingle never gets in Smash and become popular!"

 

[?????????????]

Not outside of the anime he isn't. Like, AT ALL.

1.) Why does that matter? The anime is Pokemon's most consistent regular exposure, and is still a product of Nintendo. This makes Meowth one of the most exposed Nintendo characters, let alone Pokemon. Nintendo all-stars, not video game all-stars.

2.) Same with Pikachu, UNLESS you want to delve into spin-offs, like Pokemon Channel (which also feature talking Meowth) or Pokemon Yellow (which features Meowth in a role befitting to his position in the anime).

3.) Subjective. I could play through a Pokemon game and use a Meowth the entire time, which would make him more important in my experience in the game. Any Pokemon is equally usable.

4.) So then, what's the standard for Pokemon representation in Smash? Marketability? Exposure? Promotion? I think Meowth fits just fine, though less than other potential choices, which is why he's lower on my list.

 

[N3ON]

Pikachu was chosen to be the central Pokemon in the anime because he was already popular previous to it. The intended Pokemon was originally Clefairy.

So the anime didn't cause his popularity, it only helped it explode.

 

[Arcadenik]

He's only a little flatter than Starfy. He can also spin and sidewalk when moving.

You cannot compare Diskun to Starfy.

Diskun cannot even do anything that Starfy do besides spinning like you suggested. Starfy has a lot more stuff to work with... Diskun has nothing besides that dumb sidewalking idea.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

It makes me wonder why some people don't want some characters to be in Smash...

Pac-Man
Tingle
Lip
Sheriff (well technically I want him for the sole purpose of being right)
Dark Samus
Kamek
Krystal
Peach
Chrom
Alph

I don't want any of these guys to get in. And I better not see stupid posts of people thinking this has anything to do with my speculation.

 

[?????????????]

Pikachu was chosen to be the central Pokemon in the anime because he was already popular previous to it. The intended Pokemon was originally Clefairy.

So the anime didn't cause his popularity, it only helped it explode.

Possibly, but I seriously doubt that Pikachu was more popular than Bulbasaur, Charmander, or Squirtle prior to the anime.

 

[Gene]

One of those is probably gonna happen, most likely the former. After all, we've gotten 2 3rd party characters and at least 12 months to go to these game's release date (or more accurately, soon to be cancelled release date), and we've got 12 months to reveal a Mario character after all 4 of the Brawl Mario characters were confirmed.

Still, I definitely will say it is more likely we won't get a new Mario character than we will. However, if we get one, it will be Bowser Jr., Paper Mario, or some crazy "WTF?" retro character like Wart.

What if we get...Blue Toad? He's the best one.

 

[Opossum]

Pac-Man
Tingle
Lip
Sheriff (well technically I want him for the sole purpose of being right)
Dark Samus
Kamek
Krystal
Peach
Chrom
Alph

I don't want any of these guys to get in. And I better not see stupid posts of people thinking this has anything to do with my speculation.

Not sure how to break this to you, but...

 

[Morbi]

Pikachu was chosen to be the central Pokemon in the anime because he was already popular previous to it. The intended Pokemon was originally Clefairy.

So the anime didn't cause his popularity, it only helped it explode.

I always wondered what Pokemon would be like if a Clefairy or Poliwhirl was the main character (Pokemon) in the anime. That would be trippy.

1.) Why does that matter? The anime is Pokemon's most consistent regular exposure, and is still a product of Nintendo. This makes Meowth one of the most exposed Nintendo characters, let alone Pokemon. Nintendo all-stars, not video game all-stars.

2.) Same with Pikachu, UNLESS you want to delve into spin-offs, like Pokemon Channel (which also feature talking Meowth) or Pokemon Yellow (which features Meowth in a role befitting to his position in the anime).

3.) Subjective. I could play through a Pokemon game and use a Meowth the entire time, which would make him more important in my experience in the game. Any Pokemon is equally usable.

4.) So then, what's the standard for Pokemon representation in Smash? Marketability? Exposure? Promotion? I think Meowth fits just fine, though less than other potential choices, which is why he's lower on my list.

These are some very good points. The anime is the most prevalent Pokemon medium. Meowth appears in almost every episode. It would be cool to see him using crazy gadgets like rocket launchers and anti-electricity cages. He could make his entrance via hot air balloon. Maybe even have the rocket theme. Who are we kidding though, Lucario is UBER COOL! Pfff.

 

[BluePikmin11]

What if we get...Blue Toad? He's the best one.

No were gonna get Red Toad if he's confirmed. He is the most iconic in red spots.

 

[Arcadenik]

(well technically I want him for the sole purpose of being right)

I am beginning to feel that way about Pac-Man, Toad, Duck Hunt Dog, Meowth, etc.

I gotta go... I've got class. Have fun!

 

[TheLastJinjo]

You cannot compare Diskun to Starfy.

Diskun cannot even do anything that Starfy do besides spinning like you suggested. Starfy has a lot more stuff to work with... Diskun has nothing besides that dumb sidewalking idea.

• I'm hardly comparing him to Starfy outside being flat and spinning
• You already know he has the ability to copy data from NES titles. I know you hate the Diskun idea, but please don't dismiss it as if it doesn't exist please. I agree Chrom is bland as ****, but I know he has a lance and spin attack.

 

[Morbi]

No were gonna get Red Toad if he's confirmed. He is the most iconic in red spots.

I am pretty sure the joke went over your head. Like Jigglypuff, the balloon Pokemon.

 

[N3ON]

Possibly, but I seriously doubt that Pikachu was more popular than Bulbasaur, Charmander, or Squirtle prior to the anime.

I didn't say he was. Those three weren't chosen because a lot of people would favour whoever got picked. Pikachu was likely chosen because he was the most popular of the Pokemon relatively easy to obtain early in the game, so people could all catch him and be overly-pleased with themselves.

Still, it was before the anime that he got his popularity.

 

[Morbi]

I am beginning to feel that way about Pac-Man, Toad, Duck Hunt Dog, Meowth, etc.

I gotta go... I've got class. Have fun!

Have a great class. Study hard like a Jigglypuff going to Harvard.

 

[Johnknight1]

Alright guys, I made 4 rosters. Tell me which one you like the most (optionally, you can review each roster). Each roster has 51 characters total.

Note: Red = hidden character (includes newcomers when no yellow), Blue = starter characters (includes newcomers when no green), Yellow = Hidden newcomer, Green = Starter Newcomer
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So guys, if you could choose a roster out of these 4, which one would you choose=???

 

[?????????????]

I didn't say he was. Those three weren't chosen because a lot of people would favour whoever got picked. Pikachu was likely chosen because he was the most popular of the Pokemon relatively easy to obtain early in the game, so people could all catch him and be overly-pleased with themselves.

Still, it was before the anime that he got his popularity.

Exactly. My thoughts exactly. I just wanted that clarification to be noted; that, while Pikachu was popular, he was not this incredible, obvious choice; that only he could represent Pokemon as the mascot.

Had an anime never been made or if Pikachu had not been Ash's starter, Pikachu would, I think, most definitely not be in SSB.

To me, this concludes that the anime DOES play a role in which Pokemon are in SSB, and that makes Meowth a completely viable choice.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Alright guys, I made 4 rosters. Tell me which one you like the most (optionally, you can review each roster). Each roster has 51 characters total.

I actually like the idea of Plusle & Minun

 

[BluePikmin11]

Roster 4. Would rather not have Plusle and Minun or Cranky Kong.

 

[Morbi]

Alright guys, I made 4 rosters. Tell me which one you like the most (optionally, you can review each roster). Each roster has 51 characters total.

Note: Red = hidden character (includes newcomers when no yellow), Blue = starter characters (includes newcomers when no green), Yellow = Hidden newcomer, Green = Starter Newcomer
[collapse="My basic 51 characters roster, which features minimal surprises"]

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[collapse="This is my crazy 51 character roster, which features a few surprises"]

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[collapse="This is my insane 51 character roster, which has an overwhelming amount of surprises"]

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[collapse="My NEW 51 character roster with 2 BIG surprise character choices, 1 in particular that might blow your mind!"]

Spoiler

So guys, if you could choose a roster out of these 4, which one would you choose=???

Spoiler

The one with Nintendog. That is the best.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

The thing about supporting WTF characters... It goes against the whole idea of having a WTF character in the first place if there's no shock-value to it. In other words, all this talk of supporting folks like Sheriff and Diskun is rather silly when we'd already see them coming.

Game & Watch, having no basis for us to guess his appearance.
R.O.B., with everyone believing he was out of the game when smaller R.O.B.s were confirmed as enemies.
Wii Fit Trainer, when literally nobody expected her to be one of the first reveals, or a WTF character to be non-retro, or a reveal at all in the first place, actually.

They each came to the roster with impact, the whole point of adding a WTF character. Adding a second type of character like that, to be honest, feels pointless when people are already expecting one. People were blindsided before, but the community is ready for a second whammy, meaning it'll just be a disappointment more than a surprise. I guess you could compare it to if a friend tries to make you flinch by throwing his fist right into your face. It works the first time, sure, but if he tries it again too soon, your reaction won't have as much pay off in that you're ready for it.

So Sheriff, Diskun, and N64 Logo supporters alike. Good for you, you're the ones that aren't going to flinch when/if they're revealed. I'll just be sitting here saying "meh" when/if they are instead.

 

[N3ON]

@John
They're all terrible. Four rosters and no Isaac. What's wrong with you?

Seriously though, probably the first. I want Sukapon, but I want Shulk more.

Exactly. My thoughts exactly. I just wanted that clarification to be noted; that, while Pikachu was popular, he was not this incredible, obvious choice; that only he could represent Pokemon as the mascot.

Had an anime never been made or if Pikachu had not been Ash's starter, Pikachu would, I think, most definitely not be in SSB.

No, I agree, he wasn't the clear candidate to be the mascot or anything, he just edged out his competition. He probably wasn't even in competition with that many Pokemon, only ones that could also fit his criteria, like Clefairy.

It's too weird to think about Pokemon with a different mascot at this point though. O_o