Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Rasumii]

Alright, I personally feel the Roster should have around 45-52 spots. Representation should go as follows:

Mario - 5 Reps
Zelda - 4 or 5 Reps
Donkey Kong - 3 or 4 Reps
Yoshi - 1 Rep
Kirby - 3 or 4 Reps
Star Fox - 3 Reps
Metroid - 2 Reps
Kid Icarus - 2 Reps
Pokemon - 5 Reps
Mother - 2 Reps
Fire Emblem - 2 or 3 Reps
Animal Crossing - 1 or 2 Reps
F - Zero - 1 Rep
Wario - 1 Rep
Pikmin - 1 Rep
Wii Fit - 1 Rep
Game and Watch - 1 Rep
Ice Climbers - 1 Rep
Third-Party - 3 Reps
New Series - 5 Reps

That is definitely a lot, but let's get a number we can all agree on for each Series.

 

[Zhadgon]

I read shulk left and right and i find it odd everyone wants she hulk in brawl 2. than i do a little research and sign super heavy. I dunno what it is, but something inside me for years has kept me from having anything to do with JRPG's outside of the ones i grew up with. maybe it's 2d over 3d, maybe it's the sankakucomplex over there, but... the way things are marketed on that side of the pond, and the focus points that some products hit don't match up personally for me. don't get me wrong, theres sadly a ton of stuff over here i don't get behind either, but moreso over there, save for fighters, and a small junk of them at that. i feel happier nowadays playing indie and pc games, or working on building a stupid pointless collection that games with level 9999 and maid outfits and...

TLDR Shulk is short for She Hulk, Me and Japan stopped flirting years ago; it wasn't love, it was infatuation.

Well I know that at simple look the character can be your generic protagonist from a JRPG but when you start playing the game, see the mechanics behind it, battle the enemies, watch the deep game design that has in the enemies and gameplay, the level design in which the characters interact and where you battle, it becomes bigger and bigger until you realize that you have spend hours and you are still at the beginning of a epic adventure, makes you feel like when you play your first game again. Believe I tend to gravitate more this days to the Indie market but sometimes I look at what the big publishers are doing and play some of the games to see if the are bringing new experience, sadly most of the time is not the case, still i give the opportunity and I feel happy to give it to Xenoblade because it surprise in so many ways that really give me a experience that I would not even taste in other game.

I recommend to you to play this game if you have the chance, for the mechanics, gameplay and even if the story is not the best of the world at least have some twists that make you question what will happen next?

.n_n.

 

[Sharkarat]

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Just wanted to nitpick that part. I have nothing against Shulk and think he's likely to be in Smash.

Alright, I'm making a Roster that will be based on the ideas of everyone in this thread, and we'll try to make the most realistic roster. We'll do debates and whatnot, but right now, how big should the Roster be? And how many characters of each series should each have? (Like Mario should have 5, Mother should have 2, etc.)

Imo you shouldn't plan how many characters each series get, that part should come natural when making the roster.

 

[courte]

I just got a Wii on sale yesterday, and i'd been following project rainfall for a while. At first glance years ago, the box art alone was attractive to me, to the point that i'd promised myself i'd one day own and play this game, I promise I intend to keep because I have a stupid goal to own at least 50 great Wii games. Maybe it's something about the monster hunter-ish look, but much more likely that I like my action more action, but I will play this game... after I buy and play about 10 other things though. Super Paper Mario and Skyward Sword about quite a few others put this so far down the list I feel like it's straight up unfair.

I was also recommended Persona 3, and it was praised to me to be beloved by a friend for every reason I would never play a game. I got it on sale and waited i literally lost track of how long before i got into a battle. And I have to look forward to simulating school the next in game day? Granted every game has mechanics and story. Would you say without a doubt that this game has something particularly special to make it stand out, or to make it stand out on the Wii? And if i'm spending a huge chunk of time and barely scratching the surface, in addition to forcing myself to sit through a story and character development... It's rought forcing yourself to do something your bones fight you against.

What did you think of baiten kaitos?

 

[Xaltis]

Alright, I personally feel the Roster should have around 45-52 spots. Representation should go as follows:

Mario - 5 Reps
Zelda - 4 or 5 Reps
Donkey Kong - 3 or 4 Reps
Yoshi - 1 Rep
Kirby - 3 or 4 Reps
Star Fox - 3 Reps
Metroid - 2 Reps
Kid Icarus - 2 Reps
Pokemon - 5 Reps
Mother - 2 Reps
Fire Emblem - 2 or 3 Reps
Animal Crossing - 2 Reps
F - Zero - 1 Rep
Wario - 1 Rep
Pikmin - 1 Rep
Wii Fit - 1 Rep
Game and Watch - 1 Rep
Ice Climbers - 1 Rep
Third-Party - 3 Reps
New Series - 5 Reps

That is definitely a lot, but let's get a number we can all agree on for each Series.

Not going to happen. The 3DS wouldn't be able to handle that many characters and Sakurai wants to make them both the same.

Also Wario would have 2 reps for sure and still might lol

 

[Rasumii]

Not going to happen. The 3DS wouldn't be able to handle that many characters and Sakurai wants to make them both the same.

Also Wario would have 2 reps for sure and still might lol

Yeah, 52 is wishful thinking definitely. My list isn't the finalized Reps but I wanted to at least contribute something.

I also don't believe Wario should have 2 Reps. That's just me, but I don't think it's popular enough to have 2 Reps, and there are definitely choices I'd pick before another Wario Rep.

 

[Zhadgon]

I just got a Wii on sale yesterday, and i'd been following project rainfall for a while. At first glance years ago, the box art alone was attractive to me, to the point that i'd promised myself i'd one day own and play this game, I promise I intend to keep because I have a stupid goal to own at least 50 great Wii games. Maybe it's something about the monster hunter-ish look, but much more likely that I like my action more action, but I will play this game... after I buy and play about 10 other things though. Super Paper Mario and Skyward Sword about quite a few others put this so far down the list I feel like it's straight up unfair.

I was also recommended Persona 3, and it was praised to me to be beloved by a friend for every reason I would never play a game. I got it on sale and waited i literally lost track of how long before i got into a battle. And I have to look forward to simulating school the next in game day? Granted every game has mechanics and story. Would you say without a doubt that this game has something particularly special to make it stand out, or to make it stand out on the Wii? And if i'm spending a huge chunk of time and barely scratching the surface, in addition to forcing myself to sit through a story and character development... It's rought forcing yourself to do something your bones fight you against.

What did you think of baiten kaitos?

I really like Persona 3 but I know is not for everyone because of the whole sim part, when I play Xenoblade I feel it more in the terms of action / adventure genre oriented, I don´t know if you have play Tales of Symphonia or a Tales game but it has similar feel (the gameplay is different but the game in general has many elements in common).

About Baten Kaitos, is one of my favorite games of all time, I really dig the story and the design of the game, but what did the game for me to be one of best I have played is the battle mechanic, so simple but at same time unique and intuitive that make you think really fast and challenge you every time to get as many combos as possible playing each battle like a mini game of luck and wits, really interesting haven´t play any other game with so unique battle system that can challenge like that. So yeah I really like Baten Kaitos and I hope in the future Monolith Soft and Nintendo could bring a spiritual successor of the series.

.n_n.

 

[courte]

I really like Persona 3 but I know is not for everyone because of the whole sim part, when I play Xenoblade I feel it more in the terms of action / adventure genre oriented, I don´t know if you have play Tales of Symphonia or a Tales game but it has similar feel (the gameplay is different but the game in general has many elements in common).

About Baten Kaitos, is one of my favorite games of all time, I really dig the story and the design of the game, but what did the game for me to be one of best I have played is the battle mechanic, so simple but at same time unique and intuitive that make you think really fast and challenge you every time to get as many combos as possible playing each battle like a mini game of luck and wits, really interesting haven´t play any other game with so unique battle system that can challenge like that. So yeah I really like Baten Kaitos and I hope in the future Monolith Soft and Nintendo could bring a spiritual successor of the series.

.n_n.

The only tales games for me is Phantasia. I beat that DeJap translated rom way back when, and I bought and played through symphonia with something nagging at me. I was about 14-15 at the time, and I remember part of it being the story, but this was just after i had beat FFX so perhaps it was everyone being 3d chibi. But the story of Phantasia blew me away to this day. I still consider it in my top 5 rpg's of all time.
For me the games that get me on the battle mechanic front, really get me are those hardcore action games and beat 'em ups. I guess more points for 2D. You can see how Adventure mode in melee rubbed me just the right way. Dragon's Crown and River City Ransom Underground to Scott Pilgrim. Hagane the final conflict. Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden. Maybe it's the removal of the numbers on the screen, because they're always there it's simply a matter of are the displayed. A few of those games I just listed are also RPG's as well but i guess they just rub me the right way. i'll wait forever for a new Final Fight or Metro City Online.

 

[Rasumii]

We'll go with Mario is getting 5 Reps. Vote on who the 5th slot is:

 

[AEMehr]

So it's three in the morning
and I just finished reading pages so

I think having a Xenoblade stage is all we really need.

A Xenoblade stage without Shulk wouldn't make sense. Stages without fighters normally belong to franchise that don't have feasible fighters.
Smashville (at the time), Pictochat, and Hanenbow are good examples in Brawl. Not to mention the Pilotwings and Nintendog Stages for Smash U/3DS. We have stages for those franchises, but are we seriously expecting characters? No, because nobody from those franchises would feasibly work as playable characters right?

That's how I feel about Shulk.

Problem is Shulk isn't some one-off character from a large franchise. He's the main character of his own game, with a probable sequel coming.

But, yeah if "X" is affiliated with XenoBlade I'd consider Shulk to be pretty dang likely.

A lot of things DO suggest that X, at the very least, is related to Xenoblade in some way.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

We'll go with Mario is getting 5 Reps. Vote on who the 5th slot is:

Toad.

Not a big fan of him, but he's pretty much the only classic Mario character (and could be seen as All-Star material) that hasn't been a fighter yet, so it seems pretty logical.

If he gets in, he needs to be able to carry heavy items and players over his head like DK. Toadicide?

And no, I'm not counting him out just yet because of "Muh Peach attack"

 

[courte]

It's, If anyone at all, speaking realistically, Paper Mario as a Separate character.
Doctor Mario as a Skin for Mario
Bowser Jr. would be great; I could see him His dad and Yoshi repping the dinosaurs, assuming yoshi makes it back. I wouldn't be surprised If he didn't return.

On a side note, i'd be happy with no Diddy Kong, but he feels likely to return. I don't know the entire state of Donkey Kong Franchise nowadays but i do know two new games in the last 3 years starring the dynamic duo spells well.

 

[Reznor]

It's, If anyone at all, speaking realistically, Paper Mario as a Separate character.
Doctor Mario as a Skin for Mario
Bowser Jr. would be great; I could see him His dad and Yoshi repping the dinosaurs, assuming yoshi makes it back. I wouldn't be surprised If he didn't return.

On a side note, i'd be happy with no Diddy Kong, but he feels likely to return. I don't know the entire state of Donkey Kong Franchise nowadays but i do know two new games in the last 3 years starring the dynamic duo spells well.

why would you be happy with no Diddy?

 

[EddyBearr]

I really don't see R.O.B. coming back. I see R.O.B. getting downgraded into an Assist Trophy.

assuming yoshi makes it back. I wouldn't be surprised If he didn't return.

I'm speechless. Yoshi not coming back is probably as likely as a box of Pasta Roni becoming a playable character.

 

[Cobalsh]

We'll go with Mario is getting 5 Reps. Vote on who the 5th slot is:

I have to go with Bowser Jr. Toad is, meh, because when you look deep down into your heart, then you probably don't want Toad. Toad wouldn't contribute much other than being a classic character, I can't imagine anything really new going into him. Junior, on the other hand, has potential as he adds an antagonist, can use his paintbrush for unique attacks (like a slippery puddle) and that jank.

 

[Arcadenik]

We'll go with Mario is getting 5 Reps. Vote on who the 5th slot is:

Toad. Definitely Toad. He's the logical choice after Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Bowser.

He was the fourth most-wanted Mario newcomer after Bowser, Peach, and Wario on the Melee poll. Toad is becoming more and more important to the Mario series (again) because Toad and his people are playable in the post-Brawl main Mario games. Nowadays, it seems that Toad is more important to the main Mario series than Bowser Jr. is. I mean, Bowser Jr.'s role seems to be diminishing whereas Toad's role seems to be expanding.

Spoiler

Post-Melee / Pre-Brawl main Mario games

Super Mario Sunshine (2002)
Bowser Jr. - main antagonist while Bowser was only the final boss
Toad(s) - NPC's while Toadsworth was Peach's main servant

New Super Mario Bros. (2006)
Bowser Jr. - main antagonist while Bowser was only the final boss
Toad(s) - Toadsworth was the only Toad in the game and he was in all the Toad Houses

Super Mario Galaxy (2007)
Bowser Jr. - villain sidekick to Bowser who is the main antagonist
Toad(s) - NPC's but more useful than they were in Sunshine

Post-Brawl / Pre-SSB4 main Mario games

New Super Mario Bros. Wii (2009)
Bowser Jr. - villain sidekick to Bowser who is the main antagonist but he is also the leader of the Koopalings
Toad(s) - Blue & Yellow Toads are playable and classic Toads are NPC's in all the Toad Houses

Super Mario Galaxy 2 (2010)
Bowser Jr. - villain sidekick to Bowser who is the main antagonist
Toad(s) - NPC's but more useful than they were in Galaxy 1

Super Mario 3D Land (2011)
Bowser Jr. - he is not in the game
Toad(s) - NPC's in all the Toad Houses

New Super Mario Bros. 2 (2012)
Bowser Jr. - he is not in the game
Toad(s) - NPC's in all the Toad Houses

New Super Mario Bros. U (2012)
Bowser Jr. - villain sidekick to Bowser who is the main antagonist but he is also the leader of the Koopalings
Toad(s) - Blue & Yellow Toads are playable and classic Toads are NPC's in all the Toad Houses

Super Mario 3D World (2013)
Bowser Jr. - it looks like he is not in the game
Toad(s) - Blue Toad is playable, Red Toad seems to be playable too, classic Toads are most likely NPC's in all the Toad Houses

I daresay the Bowser Jr.'s supporters have a pre-Brawl mentality... just like the Krystal supporters do. This is 2013, not 2006. Get on with the times!

 

[YoshiandToad]

We'll go with Mario is getting 5 Reps. Vote on who the 5th slot is:

I appreciate what you're doing, but no one is going to universally agree unless the roster has about 500 characters.

I for example think Bowser Jr could end up as a bland Bowser clone or even a bland Bowser AND Mario clone if he adds a Shadow Mario transformation for whatever dumb reason. Toad could end up as a Mario/Luigi or even Peach clone, Waluigi is actively hated by a lot of people for the most stupid of reasons, Petey doesn't have much of a fan following, and Paper Mario COULD just end up as a Mario clone.
In fact nearly any of them could end up as clones except maybe Petey.

About the only thing most people agree on is that Doc would be a better alt costume than a seperate character for Mario like WarioWare Wario and Overalls Wario is.

Regardless I'm going to vote for Toad, because I searched my heart and I actually just genuinely like the idea of playing a tiny mushroom man that can manhandle the enormous Bowser, picking him up and running around with him like a teeny tiny Donkey Kong whilst shooting off spores in all directions.

Prepare for ****storms when Fire Emblem comes up, but at least most people are backing Brawl + Mewtwo for Pokemon now. One less headache.

Edit: Also Baby Mario + Baby Luigi as a tag team is more original than Toad, Bowser Jr, Paper Mario or Waluigi? Maybe in that it's never suggested, but we have Ice Climbers already and Mario and Luigi already in the game. Also the babies are Yoshi reps first and forthmost.

 

[EddyBearr]

I'm still sticking with Mario having 5.5 reps (calling Waluigi a "3/4-mario 3/4-wario 4/4-party" rep) and Bowser Jr a "3/4-mario 1/4-yoshi" rep (due to it basically being the same thing as Baby Bowser.)

I'm calling Bowser Jr. New Super Mario Bros is pretty much the Wii U game, and everybody love Bowser Jr. He has massive moveset potential, and unlike Toad, isn't perfectly designed to solely "walk, talk, and -maybe- jump."

Toad appears in more Mario games than Bowser Jr, but his role has never expanded beyond, "walk, jump, use power ups," and has almost exclusively been "save me I'm a helpless NPC,"

Dr. Mario? He's an alternate costume, if he appears at all.
Baby Mario? We don't need 10-year-olds forcing their baby siblings to fight each other.
Petey Piranha? It's a boss.

Waluigi: Amazing moveset potential, an "in-between" rep for Wario and Mario (just because Wario and Waluigi coincide,) great level of personality, pretty solid demand, and he's the oldest consistent Nintendo "party" game (kart, party, sports,) character that has yet to be playable, apart from Toad. (even Daisy is playable as an alternate costume, which is really all she could be.)

 

[TumblrFamous]

I really don't see R.O.B. coming back. I see R.O.B. getting downgraded into an Assist Trophy.

Why would he not be back?

 

[Rasumii]

I appreciate what you're doing, but no one is going to universally agree unless the roster has about 500 characters.

Thank you, and I know that not everyone is going to agree, but I'm going to try to make the most realistic roster possible. Not everyone is going to like the finalized Roster of the actual game either.

And I'm saving Fire Emblem for last, since I know that is a very heated discussion.

 

[EddyBearr]

Why would he not be back?

I'm gonna compare him to Game & Watch, hope that's fine.

Nintendo History: Game & Watch was basically the beginning, was stand-alone, and was massively successful. R.O.B. was pretty much a "failure-gimmick-add-on."
Movesets: Game & Watch moveset fits the character, as his numerous games all show in his moveset. R.O.B. pretty much solely had to improvise "because he's a robot."
Reception: I'd like to say both characters got confused reactions when first unveiled, but Game & Watch ended up with far greater popularity, with R.O.B. basically being "it's a robot" in the end.
Character: Game & watch is far more relatable, because he can be viewed as a "poorly drawn person." The whole "Mr" in his name humanizes him. R.O.B. still feels cold/bland, "just a robot."
Bias: I like Game & Watch and hate R.O.B.


R.O.B. just seems like he's more of an "assist trophy" than a character you roleplay as.

 

[Arcadenik]

I am indifferent towards R.O.B. as a character but I liked the moveset and playstyle.

I think it would be fun to see Nintendo peripheral characters in Smash... R.O.B. represents itself, Wii Fit Trainer represents the Wii Balance Board, and hopefully Duck Hunt Dog to represent the NES Zapper Light Gun.

 

[TumblrFamous]

I'm gonna compare him to Game & Watch, hope that's fine.

Nintendo History: Game & Watch was basically the beginning, was stand-alone, and was massively successful. R.O.B. was pretty much a "failure-gimmick-add-on."
Movesets: Game & Watch moveset fits the character, as his numerous games all show in his moveset. R.O.B. pretty much solely had to improvise "because he's a robot."
Reception: I'd like to say both characters got confused reactions when first unveiled, but Game & Watch ended up with far greater popularity, with R.O.B. basically being "it's a robot" in the end.
Character: Game & watch is far more relatable, because he can be viewed as a "poorly drawn person." The whole "Mr" in his name humanizes him. R.O.B. still feels cold/bland, "just a robot."
Bias: I like Game & Watch and hate R.O.B.


R.O.B. just seems like he's more of an "assist trophy" than a character you roleplay as.

Failure gimmick? But he truly is a Nintendo All-Star.

He pretty much saved video gaming in the west after the crash of 83. He is a major part of Nintendo. And your justifications just seem to be that he's a robot. Well, yeah. He's a toy robot. A toy that saved video gaming. So making a robot moveset wasn't really all that hard for them.

Robot or not, he deserves to be in. Half of these franchises wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for the help of ROB.

 

[EddyBearr]

Failure gimmick? But he truly is a Nintendo All-Star.

He pretty much saved video gaming in the west after the crash of 83. He is a major part of Nintendo. And your justifications just seem to be that he's a robot. Well, yeah. He's a toy robot. A toy that saved video gaming. So making a robot moveset wasn't really all that hard for them.

Robot or not, he deserves to be in. Half of these franchises wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for the help of ROB.

It was my understanding that R.O.B. didn't really sell all that well. A 20 second google search suggests I was wrong there.

My justifications aren't that he's a robot. I don't care if he's a robot, but that's all he comes off as, as opposed to anything unique or characterizing (at least not beyond a level of characterization that could be fulfilled by any other robot.) Game & Watch comes off as "that primitively-digital humanoid that can do it all," but R.O.B. only comes off as a Robot. Same with moveset, appearance, name, etc.

Yeah, it sounds like he did a good job of helping save gaming in the U.S. (alternative history is difficult field.)

If we're going to base whether they should be in or-not based upon the contributions it made to Nintendo's success, or even gaming success, then we might as well include a tetris block, or that old deck of cards thing from Nintendo's childhood.

To be honest, I just don't see why what he did for Nintendo's western success has to do with the merit of him as a playable character. Smash 4 without any mention of R.O.B. beyond trophy/sticker/whatever's-in-smash-4 would be a disgrace, but I do think he's best as an assist trophy, as opposed to one of our precious character slots.

 

[TumblrFamous]

It was my understanding that R.O.B. didn't really sell all that well. A 20 second google search suggests I was wrong there.

My justifications aren't that he's a robot. I don't care if he's a robot, but that's all he comes off as, as opposed to anything unique or characterizing (at least not beyond a level of characterizing that could be fulfilled by any other robot.) Game & Watch comes off as "that primitively-digital humanoid that can do it all," but R.O.B. only comes off as a Robot. Same with moveset, appearance, name, etc.

Yeah, it sounds like he did a good job of helping save gaming in the U.S. (alternative history is difficult field.)

If we're going to base whether they should be in or-not based upon the contributions it made to Nintendo's success, or even gaming success, then we might as well include a tetris block, or that old deck of cards thing from Nintendo's childhood.

To be honest, I just don't see why what he did for Nintendo's western success has to do with the merit of him as a playable character. Smash 4 without any mention of R.O.B. beyond trophy would be a disgrace, but I do think he's best as an assist trophy, as opposed to one of our precious character slots.

Well, all opinion. I personally don't think he's going anywhere. I think him being degraded to an assist trophy would be a disgrace.

 

[EddyBearr]

Well, all opinion. I personally don't think he's going anywhere. I think him being degraded to an assist trophy would be a disgrace.

We will see. It ain't over till the R.O.B. signals farewell.

 

[Arcadenik]

It was my understanding that R.O.B. didn't really sell all that well. A 20 second google search suggests I was wrong there.

My justifications aren't that he's a robot. I don't care if he's a robot, but that's all he comes off as, as opposed to anything unique or characterizing (at least not beyond a level of characterization that could be fulfilled by any other robot.) Game & Watch comes off as "that primitively-digital humanoid that can do it all," but R.O.B. only comes off as a Robot. Same with moveset, appearance, name, etc.

Yeah, it sounds like he did a good job of helping save gaming in the U.S. (alternative history is difficult field.)

If we're going to base whether they should be in or-not based upon the contributions it made to Nintendo's success, or even gaming success, then we might as well include a tetris block, or that old deck of cards thing from Nintendo's childhood.

To be honest, I just don't see why what he did for Nintendo's western success has to do with the merit of him as a playable character. Smash 4 without any mention of R.O.B. beyond trophy/sticker/whatever's-in-smash-4 would be a disgrace, but I do think he's best as an assist trophy, as opposed to one of our precious character slots.

Right there says it all.

 

[YoshiandToad]

assuming yoshi makes it back. I wouldn't be surprised If he didn't return.

No, seriously; What?

Show your workings because I don't get it at all.

Yoshi Pros and Cons:
+ Reps a different series
+ One of the most popular Mario characters of all time
+ Hugely original moveset
+ Plays like no other character in Smash
+ Three time veteran and one of the original game's stars.

- Hasn't got a third jump
- Can't jump out his shield.
- Ends up low tier a lot

I know "Original 12" doesn't mean a lot, but Yoshi being cut is a stupid move both from a deserving and iconic point of view and from an original moveset point of view. Not to mention would cut a series out of Smash that's been there since the beginning.

 

[Arcadenik]

Anyone doubting Yoshi's return is more dumb than anyone doubting Jigglypuff's return.

 

[EddyBearr]

Right there says it all.

He's slightly better, but tbh I think Ridley is better as an assist trophy or boss as well, for many of the same reasons as R.O.B.

 

[Reznor]

Yoshi is far more popular than over half the Brawl roster and has been in every Smash game why wouldn't he be in

 

[TumblrFamous]

Right there says it all.

That's really ignorant of people to think he stole Megaman's slot, or Ridley's slot. I mean, if anything, it was the last three characters added that did.

Even with that, Ridley and Megaman were barely considered for the game. So come on. ROB got on there because Sakurai liked the idea, and found it more feasible than say Ridley.

 

[Arcadenik]

He's slightly better, but tbh I think Ridley is better as an assist trophy or boss as well, for many of the same reasons as R.O.B.

*gasp*

Heretic! Everybody, he is a heretic! He refuses to worship our Cunning God of Death! Burn him! Burn him at the stake!

 

[TumblrFamous]

*gasp*

Heretic! Everybody, he is a heretic! He refuses to worship our Cunning God of Death! Burn him! Burn him at the stake!

I can see where he's coming from. Granted, he certainly deserves to be in, but Sakurai said it'd be pretty impossible. But Sakurai has changed his mind before, so anything can happen.

I wouldn't be very surprised if he didn't make the cut, though.

 

[FalKoopa]

I believe ROB is a shoo-in.

Importance to Video Game history aside, he was a major part of the SSE. His moveset could be improved, yes, but it's still a unique one and completely unlike anything we had seen before. In fact, He shows more emotion than Mario.

Actually, ROB was on my dream roster for Brawl after he was playable in Mario Kart DS. I'm one of the few people who were delighted when he was revealed.

 

[Rasumii]

We'll go with Mario is getting 5 Reps. Vote on who the 5th slot is:

Tied on Toad and Bowser Jr.

 

[Arcadenik]

I can see where he's coming from. Granted, he certainly deserves to be in, but Sakurai said it'd be pretty impossible. But Sakurai has changed his mind before, so anything can happen.

I wouldn't be very surprised if he didn't make the cut, though.

I am actually indifferent about Ridley myself. I was just poking fun at Ridley supporters who flame the Too Bigots.

 

[EddyBearr]

*gasp*

Heretic! Everybody, he is a heretic! He refuses to worship our Cunning God of Death! Burn him! Burn him at the stake!

Ikr, and at the same time I preach Waluigi, Bowser Jr, and Krystal.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Tied on Toad and Bowser Jr.

Jr. I think he's more feasible, his role has been expanding since sunshine.

 

[FalKoopa]

Ikr, and at the same time I preach Waluigi, Bowser Jr, and Krystal.

Bowser Jr. is a fine choice imo.