Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[courte]

....and you call Waluigi a horrible idea.

Baby Mario and Luigi Team is a better idea than waluigi by leagues. even superstar team mario and luigi. look at the ice climbers, among the least interesting undeveloped character in 2 games running

 

[TheLastJinjo]

If Baby Mario wasn't a baby and also wasn't mario and it also was necessary to get a second Yoshi rep then he'd be a shoe-in

 

[Deleted member]

Baby Mario and Luigi Team is a better idea than waluigi by leagues. even superstar team mario and luigi. look at the ice climbers, among the least interesting undeveloped character in 2 games running

Gag me with a spoon.

 

[Morbi]

You might have forgotten, but Sakurai put Staffy or Starfy in the game as an assist trophy. That is the next best thing to a playabe character. It also alludes to the notion that Sakurai thinks that they are important enough to have a significant role in the game.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

To Join [Even though nowadays it looks like you simply need a new game coming out to get on the roster/secure your return]
Kuma and Poo as [additional] Mother Reps if any of those guys even return.
Ridley and/or Weavel - Both representing the space Pirates. Kirby get's friends, but she can't bring her enemies [or any other important hunter]
Bowser Jr. and Paper Mario - Cute. As. Hell. Also paper Mario could bring Super Star mario's techniques with him, since kidee fun time mario won't be using them.
Hector/Lyndis/Not a new Blue Haired Sword Lord - Fire Emblem has a huge diverse cast of characters and types built up over the years who are beloved in their own games but never get to shine in a Smash. Isn't it about time?
Vaati - Magic Users are always fun in fighters when they aren't zoning out of the butt, and smash isn't your traditional fighter. Also who else is TLink gonna play
Girahim - Didn't play skyrim so right now he just looks like pure interesting to me. Also he seems the type to BRING HIS SWORD
Krystal with a staff - read: Krystal with a staff
Geno - lol yeah right Squeenix killed the squaresoft star

To Leave
Captain Falcon [Time for new blood. His legacy lies with Melee, don't piss on it]
Meta Knight and DeDeDe - After being broken and bloated, It'd be fair to make space for new blood. There was also that banned/chain grab/'braindead' debacle
P. Trainer - There are now over 700 pokemon. A new trainer or two, [even rival type] to give more Generations a chance to shine
Lucario - ...I have a bias towards a cool Mewtwo. I personally think Luc would have wrecked face much better in Melee's engine but thats something else
Ice Climber, G&W, R.O.B. - Nintendo has a ton of Retro characters who can and can't justify an movelist much less an appearance. IC had one game. I'm not saying include Balloon Fighter, but when you've got Samurai and Bikers waiting in the wings, why let your aging gamers down.
[aside from that, the allure of controlling two characters is and will always be boss. this alone is worthy of a spot, but aside from smash, nintendo should really do something new with these guys. No new metroid or f-zero, but new Donkey Kongs that don't touch Jungle Beat, and 8 Mario Games a year?!]
Yoshi - Always fighting the uphill battle with no Up-B. I personally think it's ok to retire Yoshi.You fought well.
Wario - A brawler if there ever was one
Jigglypuff - 700 Pokemon
Ganondorf - At least as he is now. Either be a wizard harry, or go home and get your shoeshine box... full of sword. go get your sword. It's your third appearance, you don't have to live in C.Falcon's Shadow anymore #PigPride

That's an automatic 0/10 right there

 

[TheLastJinjo]

doesn't relevance mean importance?
It's a completely different definition entirely.

Little Mac has gotten a remake of his game, Punch-Out Wii not too long ago and it was a very good game, so I believe that makes up for him, and he can be our Retro chararacter if you want. Megaman got in due to his history with Nintendo and Huge fan Demand

Oh, so because it was good then it counts! What about plans for another Punch-Out game? Haven't heard any so he's obviously not important to Nintendo's history. And no he's not a retro character. And Mega Man's last games weren't as well received and his company isn't doing anything with him right now, so **** that. Also what about Issac's fan demand?

Who only had one internationally released game and Sakurai doesn't seem to like him.
Like when Fire Emblem had NO internationally released games. Also Sakurai not thinking he was a feasible fighter DURING BRAWL doesn't mean he doesn't like him. Otherwise he doesn't like Balloon Fighter and Villager.



Not quite, Smash Bros. is like a love-letter to Nintendo, showing off some of it's biggest things although fans do play a big role
Golden Sun IS one of it's biggest things. And I can sure as hell tell you Ice Climber wasn't.

I actually never played the 3rd one, so no bias is coming out of my mouth when I say that. It was a very poorly sold game compared to the others and Camelot doesn't seem to be trying to make a new one anytime soon.





Why does that matter at all? **** everything about Golden Sun I guess, because ONLY it's last game sold poorly and like so many Nintendo franchises it SEEMS like it's not getting a sequel. The key word here is "seems".

You're clearly trying to say that relevancy is key and that what is priority to Nintendo is the same as what is important to their history. In which case you are wrong and that's all I'm going to say.

Also Morbid, is right. Starfy being an Assist Trophy clearly shows that Sakurai wanted him to have the next best role to being a playable character, and he even got more trophies than most. I think that means something for Smash 4.

Priority to Nintendo =/= Important to Nintendo History

 

[Johnknight1]

Toad is unoriginal? Really? Most Nintendo characters are pretty generic and unoriginal as well. I can't really think of a Nintendo character more original than Toad off the top of my head. Maybe Kirby.

Toad the character or the species=???

Are you for real right now?

Yes. I think it could be made into an interesting character.

Will it=??? I dunno. But I think it could work, especially if you gave them a moveset largely inspired by Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time.

As for Shulk, it's gonna happen eventually. He's the newest Nintendo characters that stands out, and he's a damn fine one, too, both in terms of personality, moveset potential, and just how awesome he would be to play as in a Smash Bros game. You could compare him to Ike or Olimar pre-Brawl, actually.

 

[Morbi]

Toad the character or the species=???

Yes. I think it could be made into an interesting character.

Will it=??? I dunno. But I think it could work, especially if you gave them a moveset largely inspired by Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time.

IMO Waluigi is a horrible idea, as is Toad.

The character.

Waluigi isn't even that bad of an idea. Not to me anyway.

 

[Johnknight1]

The character.

Which one=???

None of them stand out as anything "special" individually or as a species like Yoshi or the various non-(solo) legendary Pokémon do. They're all just kinda waiting there... doing nothing unique.

Waluigi isn't even that bad of an idea. Not to me anyway.

It is when you got so many incredible characters that clearly have more potential. I mean, after seeing the first 3 newcomers, would you honestly say you would consider rather have Waluigi over them=???

 

[TheLastJinjo]

As for Shulk, it's gonna happen eventually.

By which you mean if it doesn't happen this time it never will. And we aren't basing this off who is cooler.

 

[Reznor]

so can anyone elaborate on why they think Waluigi isn't a good idea

 

[courte]

That's an automatic 0/10 right there

i'm stuck at work until 7am. If you don't mind helping me stay away, please explain why this is worth such a loud gif. I'm aware i've committed hubris, and i've explained why and how I feel on each character. they aren't predictions, however, but are some of my personal preferences [i know not the place for it], but you can't wake up like that and not follow up.

 

[Morbi]

Which one=???

None of them stand out as anything "special" individually or as a species like Yoshi or the various non-(solo) legendary Pokémon do. They're all just kinda waiting there... doing nothing unique.


It is when you got so many incredible characters that clearly have more potential. I mean, after seeing the first 3 newcomers, would you honestly say you would consider rather have Waluigi over them=???

I actually don't like Mega Man at all. I am not really a Villager fan either. However, all of the meme's that paint him to be a serial killer have really made him interesting to me. Wii Fit Trainer is most likely going to be my co-main. I can honestly say that I think Waluigi would be better than 2 out of 3. I wouldn't mind a rep from the Mario Party/Mario Kart/Mario Sports games. Not to mention it would be cool to finally have all of the brothers in Smash. He could have some really cool Sports moves. Not to mention the fact that he was an assist trophy. So maybe Sakurai sees him as an important Mario character. I would rather have Toad over Waluigi, but Waluigi is my second wanted Mario newcomer.

 

[Pacack]

I actually don't like Mega Man at all. I am not really a Villager fan either. However, all of the meme's that paint him to be a serial killer have really made him interesting to me. Wii Fit Trainer is most likely going to be my co-main. I can honestly say that I think Waluigi would be better than 2 out of 3. I wouldn't mind a rep from the Mario Party/Mario Kart/Mario Sports games. Not to mention it would be cool to finally have all of the brothers in Smash. He could have some really cool Sports moves. Not to mention the fact that he was an assist trophy. So maybe Sakurai sees him as an important Mario character. I would rather have Toad over Waluigi, but Waluigi is my second wanted Mario newcomer.

l only agree with you on one thing: l would prefer Toad.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

so can anyone elaborate on why they think Waluigi isn't a good idea

• So many more deserving Mario characters, and if we are breaking away from the main stream series it should be Paper Mario or Dr. Mario. (heck, maybe even Metal Mario)
• He doesn't fit in well. I mean we have him as a Mario character, but without Wario. Kind of like having King Boo as a Luigi character without Luigi. Then it's weird that the fifth Mario character was an anti-Luigi, not another Mario persona. I feel having Luigi as an unlockable is enough.
• Don't see why Mario Sports needs a playable character and why Waluigi shouldn't be an Assist Trophy
• Again, so many more deserving people and he makes so much sense as just an Assist Trophy.

 

[Morbi]

l only agree with you on one thing: l would prefer Toad.

I just realized that you are another Jigglypuff comrade. You don't think that having all brothers would at least be cool?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

i'm stuck at work until 7am. If you don't mind helping me stay away, please explain why this is worth such a loud gif. I'm aware i've committed hubris, and i've explained why and how I feel on each character. they aren't predictions, however, but are some of my personal preferences [i know not the place for it], but you can't wake up like that and not follow up.

8/10

Loud Gif made me laugh.

Please troll some more.

 

[Zhadgon]

You're clearly trying to say that relevancy is key and that what is priority to Nintendo is the same as what is important to their history. In which case you are wrong and that's all I'm going to say.

Also Morbid, is right. Starfy being an Assist Trophy clearly shows that Sakurai wanted him to have the next best role to being a playable character, and he even got more trophies than most. I think that means something for Smash 4.

Priority to Nintendo =/= Important to Nintendo History

Well you can count that Xenoblade is now a important part of Nintendo history for many reasons.

1. Its the representation of the acquisition from Nintendo to get Monolith Soft as a 1º party or 2º party (I don´t remember which is).
2. The union between these two companies make one of the best games of the last generation (rated by many people and media as one of the best games from Wii and one of the best JRPGs that have existed).
3. The first game to be conceived after Nintendo acquired Monolith Soft (correct me if I´m wrong).
4. Main title and flagship of "Project Rainfall".
5. Have a spiritual successor in "X" (the series will be continued).
6. Almost sold out in the North America region ($80 dollars for a copy, ouch!).
7. Cult classic by now.
8. Will be a big series in the future, in the same level of Fire Emblem or even more (this is my speculation but seeing the massive fan demand and "X" in the process it seems that it will get bigger with time and future entries).

So yeah I´m considering Xenoblade Chronicles as a big part of Nintendo history now.
.n_n.

 

[Deleted member]

so can anyone elaborate on why they think Waluigi isn't a good idea

Because people blindly hate him and say "hurp just like Wario" and declare him a clone with nothing unique to try and justify that hatred.

....and then they come up with worse ideas such as Baby Mario and Luigi.

 

[Pacack]

I just realized that you are another Jigglypuff comrade. You don't think that having all brothers would at least be cool?

Hello fellow Jiggly main (though, to be fair, I'm kinda a dual Shiek/Jiggly main).

It would be kinda cool, but I would hate having Waluigi over either Toad or Bowser Jr., personally.

 

[Morbi]

Well you can count that Xenoblade is now a important part of Nintendo history for many reasons.

1. Its the representation of the acquisition from Nintendo to get Monolith Soft as a 1º party or 2º party (I don´t remember which is).
2. The union between these two companies make one of the best games of the last generation (rated by many people and media as one of the best games from Wii and one of the best JRPGs that have existed).
3. The first game to be conceived after Nintendo acquired Monolith Soft (correct me if I´m wrong).
4. Main title and flagship of "Project Rainfall".
5. Have a spiritual successor in "X" (the series will be continued).
6. Almost sold out in the North America region ($80 dollars for a copy, ouch!).
7. Cult classic by now.
8. Will be a big series in the future, in the same level of Fire Emblem or even more (this is my speculation but seeing the massive fan demand and "X" in the process it seems that it will get bigger with time and future entries).

So yeah I´m considering Xenoblade Chronicles as a big part of Nintendo history now.
.n_n.

I suppose it is a big part of Nintendo. I just don't know if they would jump at the opportunity to add Shulk. I kind of hope that they don't.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Well you can count that Xenoblade is now a important part of Nintendo history for many reasons.

1. Its the representation of the acquisition from Nintendo to get Monolith Soft as a 1º party or 2º party (I don´t remember which is). Why is this important?
2. The union between these two companies make one of the best games of the last generation (rated by many people and media as one of the best games from Wii and one of the best JRPGs that have existed). I've seen a lot of games in the past that were some of the best in their generation. And those series have still been continued.
3. The first game to be conceived after Nintendo acquired Monolith Soft (correct me if I´m wrong). Why is this important?
4. Main title and flagship of "Project Rainfall". Why is this important?
5. Have a spiritual successor in "X" (the series will be continued). Who said the game was Xenoblade?
6. Almost sold out in the North America region ($80 dollars for a copy, ouch!). So have a lot of Nintendo games.
7. Cult classic by now. So are a lot of Nintendo games.
8. Will be a big series in the future, in the same level of Fire Emblem or even more (this is my speculation but seeing the massive fan demand and "X" in the process it seems that it will get bigger with time and future entries). If Xenoblade gets a sequel I'd agree with you, but "X" is not confirmed to be affiliated with Xenoblade.

So yeah I´m considering Xenoblade Chronicles as a big part of Nintendo history now.
.n_n.

But, yeah if "X" is affiliated with XenoBlade I'd consider Shulk to be pretty dang likely.

 

[Zhadgon]

I suppose it is a big part of Nintendo. I just don't know if they would jump at the opportunity to add Shulk. I kind of hope that they don't.

Have you played the game? Or you only base your opinion in what the character looks? Why don´t you think it deserve a spot? Do you think maybe the character is not an All-Star like Mario, Captain Falco, Meta Knight and the like?
.n_n.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Have you played the game? Or you only base your opinion in what the character looks? Why don´t you think it deserve a spot? Do you think maybe the character is not an All-Star like Mario, Captain Falco, Meta Knight and the like?

Like THEM? Hell No!

 

[Morbi]

Have you played the game? Or you only base your opinion in what the character looks? Why don´t you think it deserve a spot? Do you think maybe the character is not an All-Star like Mario, Captain Falco, Meta Knight and the like?
.n_n.

I am mostly judging him on his design. He is unattractive and ugly. Haha. I have never played the game, I didn't even know it existed until everyone and their mother started requesting Shulk. I usually enjoy your opinion. Do you think Shulk is a good character choice? If you do, I might change my opinion on him and give the dude a chance. Not everyone is gifted enough to have immaculate hair like Jigglypuff.

 

[Pacack]

Have you played the game? Or you only base your opinion in what the character looks? Why don´t you think it deserve a spot? Do you think maybe the character is not an All-Star like Mario, Captain Falco, Meta Knight and the like?
.n_n.

I'm not Morbid, but I'll answer, too.

In my opinion, there are simply more deserving characters to be (re)added from other series (Mewtwo, King K. Rool, Ridley, Dixie Kong, Palutena, Toad, Bowser Jr., Chrom, Roy) that take priority over Shulk. I could very well be wrong in my point of view, but that's what I think.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I'm not Morbid, but I'll answer, too.

In my opinion, there are simply more deserving characters to be (re)added from other series (Mewtwo, King K. Rool, Ridley, Dixie Kong, Palutena, Toad, Bowser Jr., Chrom, Roy) that take priority over Shulk. I could very well be wrong in my point of view, but that's what I think.

Don't forget Issac

 

[Morbi]

I'm not Morbid, but I'll answer, too.

In my opinion, there are simply more deserving characters to be (re)added from other series (Mewtwo, King K. Rool, Ridley, Dixie Kong, Palutena, Toad, Bowser Jr., Chrom, Roy) that take priority over Shulk. I could very well be wrong in my point of view, but that's what I think.

This is also how I have viewed it for the longest time. Like a Jigglypuff during the summer solstice.

 

[Pacack]

This is also how I have viewed it for the longest time. Like a Jigglypuff during the summer solstice.

Yay, the metaphors are back ()!

 

[Morbi]

Yay, the metaphors are back ()!

They are so hard to think of, so sometimes I don't post them. Haha. Like a Jigglypuff driving a Mustang down 2-70.

 

[Johnknight1]

By which you mean if it doesn't happen this time it never will. And we aren't basing this off who is cooler.

Well Shulk was definitely 100% considered. That alone means he has a chance.

And considering the pool of characters isn't strong and that he's the only recent character that seems remotely interesting (along with the Wii Fit Trainer and kinda sorta the Miis), really, there's no reason not to add him, especially given how amazing he could be to play as given his moveset, skillset, and playstyle potential, which in the end is what gets a character playable.

 

[Xaltis]

So haven't been here in a while. I called Sonic being announced on the Nintendo Direct. And just wanted to share that I think the next announcement character will be. Mewtwo, Red, Pacman. I might be wrong but that's who I think they will show next. Either that or a new comer.

 

[Pacack]

Well Shulk was definitely 100% considered. That alone means he has a chance.

And considering the pool of characters isn't strong and that he's the only recent character that seems remotely interesting (along with the Wii Fit Trainer and kinda sorta the Miis), really, there's no reason not to add him, especially given how amazing he could be to play as given his moveset, skillset, and playstyle potential, which in the end is what gets a character playable.

What is interesting bout him, exactly? I am legitimately asking. He just looks like a generic fantasy protagonist to the onlooker, so I'm curious about what he actually does.

 

[Morbi]

Well Shulk was definitely 100% considered. That alone means he has a chance.

And considering the pool of characters isn't strong and that he's the only recent character that seems remotely interesting (along with the Wii Fit Trainer and kinda sorta the Miis), really, there's no reason not to add him, especially given how amazing he could be to play as given his moveset, skillset, and playstyle potential, which in the end is what gets a character playable.

What "pool of characters" are you referring to? I think you are correct in your assessment of his moveset though. That could potentially get him in. I don't necessarily think that it is enough though. Like a Jigglypuff failing to perform CPR.

 

[Xaltis]

So haven't been here in a while. I called Sonic being announced on the Nintendo Direct. And just wanted to share that I think the next announcement character will be. Mewtwo, Red, Pacman. I might be wrong but that's who I think they will show next. Either that or a new comer.

*Didn't see my first post go through, sorry for double post*

 

[Morbi]

So haven't been here in a while. I called Sonic being announced on the Nintendo Direct. And just wanted to share that I think the next announcement character will be. Mewtwo, Red, Pacman. I might be wrong but that's who I think they will show next. Either that or a new comer.

I called Toon Link being in Smash U. While we are talking about our Smash related accomplishments. I think that the next announcement will be a Pokemon. Muhahahahahhaha. Hopefully Jigglypuff is revealed next. Like a Jigglypuff playing the piano in a desolate house.

 

[Johnknight1]

I'm not Morbid, but I'll answer, too.

In my opinion, there are simply more deserving characters to be (re)added from other series (Mewtwo, King K. Rool, Ridley, Dixie Kong, Palutena, Toad, Bowser Jr., Chrom, Roy) that take priority over Shulk. I could very well be wrong in my point of view, but that's what I think.

I don't give a flying piece of crap about "deserving." If we're going by merit, we wouldn't have Ike, we'd have Toad. We wouldn't have Marth, we'd have Bowser Jr. We wouldn't have Sheik, we'd have Waluigi.

What matters is having the best roster based on who would be the most fun, unique, and interesting to play based on how their movesets, platstyles, and skillsets work in regards to the roster (ie: not having two characters that do the same exact thing; yes, clones can not do that, and non-clones can do that).

All the characters minus Chrom and Toad could be unique, sure. But that's just 7 characters. I won't debate Mewtwo, K. Rool, Ridley, but Palutena is arguably less unique than Shulk potentially. Heck, I don't think it's a question actually that Shulk is more unique in the regards I listed than Roy and Dixie Kong. The same is true with Bowser Jr.

This is coming from a person who loves, loves, loves DKC2 and thinks Fire Emblem 6 was one of the best in the franchise and who has not even played Xenoblade Chronicles.

So if by "dserving" you mean stupid fanboy polls, you can wipe your butt with that list, because "deserves" to me is who adds to the gameplay.

Being important or a main character gets you considered; being better than the not picked characters in terms of gameplay potential gets you playable. That should be what you mean by "deserving," because gameplay trumps all.

 

[Xaltis]

I called Toon Link being in Smash U. While we are talking about our Smash related accomplishments. I think that the next announcement will be a Pokemon. Muhahahahahhaha. Hopefully Jigglypuff is revealed next. Like a Jigglypuff playing the piano in a desolate house.

I sure hope not. I don't want her in this game. Everything with Pokemon right now seems to be revolving around Mewtwo~

 

[Johnknight1]

1. Its the representation of the acquisition from Nintendo to get Monolith Soft as a 1º party or 2º party (I don´t remember which is).

It is a 1st party. They also helped developed Brawl, and are one of the best studios in Japan.

IMO, from what I can tell, Xenoblade Chronicles is probably the best Wii game (sans maybe Metroid Prime 3).

Before anyone name drops Brawl, Galaxy 1 and/or 3, Twilight Princess, or Skyward Sword, I just wanna say this: don't make me laugh!

What is interesting bout him, exactly? I am legitimately asking. He just looks like a generic fantasy protagonist to the onlooker, so I'm curious about what he actually does.

Watch gameplay videos of the game. His moves look fantastic, just like a lot of attacks that the crew at Monolith Soft had made in their previous series (see: Xenogears, a great PS1 RPG). He's got a unique weapon, general RPG super attacks, lots of diverse movements, oh, and he kills freaking dinosaurs.

 

[Morbi]

I sure hope not. I don't want her in this game. Everything with Pokemon right now seems to be revolving around Mewtwo~

You don't want Jigglypuff in the game? I think we found us a troll. Jigglypuff forgives you for your sin. Like a Jigglypuff crucifix covered in the blood of the slaughtered lamb.