Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[BluePikmin11]

Fire Emblem and Earthbound were popular enough to warrant a character inclusion, right?

 

[TumblrFamous]

Fire Emblem and Earthbound were popular enough to warrant a character inclusion, right?

Yeah, but they're unpopular now. Let's just cut out THE ENTIRE FRANCHISE now and add a Tales Franchise. I mean, they did have like 3 games on Nintendo, right?

 

[Frostwraith]

I simply have no words for such tremendous stupidity...

Deity, if Sakurai says Namco Bandai doesn't get special treatment, they don't get any ****ing special treatment. Namco Bandai was hired for one thing: game development, not putting characters in the franchise.

That doesn't mean that it's impossible for a Namco character to be in. It just means that they are as likely as any other 3rd party character. If Sakurai decides to add a Namco Bandai character, he will add. If he doesn't want a Namco character, he doesn't add. What could be more simple?

 

[TheDivineDeity]

I don't think we're reacting big enough to the fact that Divine Deity claimed that a statement from Sakurai isn't true.

Here's what I'm saying... I'm saying what Sakurai said isn't true, because even he doesn't believe it's true. I think he, and let me get through this statement, I think Sakurai only said that because he knew everybody would expect Namco to get special treatment. So what does he do? He says they won't, but are we really going to believe they won't. I think Sakurai is just trying to bull**** the fanbase, that's all. You know political correctness, PR stuff that sort of thing.

It being realistic, if being willing to see the truth for what it is makes me 'narrow minded' or 'stupid' then so be it. I don't care. I just don't care. All I know is that I speak my mind and tell it like it is, like you won't see anywhere else in this forum. I tell it like it is whether you all like it or not. Damn.

 

[Morbi]

Fire Emblem and Earthbound were popular enough to warrant a character inclusion, right?

I actually don't think Mother was. Fire Emblem was decent enough. We only have Earthbound because Sakurai has a boner for it. If I was Sakurai... I would add like 3 extra Pokemon reps. Just because. So that is why Earthbound is in... just because...

 

[N3ON]

Besides, what makes you think Namco won't get special treatment. of course they will.

What makes us think Namco won't get special treatment? You've answered it in your next sentence.

Despite what Sakurai says,

Yeah. Because Sakurai said they wouldn't. Can't get better evidence than that. Clearly Sakurai cares about keeping the integrity of a Nintendo-oriented roster, just because there's more than one option for Namco doesn't mean Sakurai is going to load up on Namco characters.

they will get special treatment because that's how it goes.

Because that's how it goes? Where is your proof of it going like that in Smash? When was the last time Sakurai was overruled and we got multiple third-parties from the same company even after that company said Sakurai was in charge of picking the characters.

They're the ones working on developing the game, so why not? Are they going to work on Sakurai's game just for him to say they won't be getting any characters? Bull****.

Of course they are. They don't care about getting their characters as much as they care about getting money for their work. And that's what they're getting. They worked on Assault for Nintendo and guess how many Namco characters showed up in that? Companies are contracted for games all the time, doesn't mean they share characters. But regardless, Namco doesn't overrule Sakurai in the development hierarchy. They literally can't overrule him, and he's the one who decides the characters. He's Iwata's buddy, Namco are just the workers. He's also the one that said they wouldn't get any special treatment.

Don't come running back to me when Pacman or Lloyd get announced... I'll come running to you saying "yeah I TOLD YOU SO"...

Pac-Man or Lloyd? No one is saying we won't get a Namco character (well they shouldn't be). People are saying we won't get Pac-Man and Lloyd.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

They're the ones working on developing the game, so why not?

Because Sakurai said so! But, I forgot you ARE Sakurai and can thus veto any policy or statement he makes. Divine Deity! You truly are the Deity of Smash Brothers

Are they going to work on Sakurai's game just for him to say they won't be getting any characters?

Don't come running back to me when Pacman or Lloyd get announced... I'll come running to you saying "yeah I TOLD YOU SO"...

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

I actually don't think Mother was. Fire Emblem was decent enough. We only have Earthbound because Sakurai has a boner for it. If I was Sakurai... I would add like 3 extra Pokemon reps. Just because. So that is why Earthbound is in... just because...

IIRC, EarthBound was somewhat popular in Japan at the time of 64's launch. I believe it did around 300,000 there, and was easily more popular there than over here.

 

[Morbi]

Here's what I'm saying... I'm saying what Sakurai said isn't true, because even he doesn't believe it's true. I think he, and let me get through this statement, I think Sakurai only said that because he knew everybody would expect Namco to get special treatment. So what does he do? He says they won't, but are we really going to believe they won't. I think Sakurai is just trying to bull**** the fanbase, that's all. You know political correctness, PR stuff that sort of thing.

It being realistic, if being willing to see the truth for what it is makes me 'narrow minded' or 'stupid' then so be it. I don't care. I just don't care. All I know is that I speak my mind and tell it like it is, like you won't see anywhere else in this forum. I tell it like it is whether you all like it or not. Damn.

Thank you. I just want to let you know that I agree with your statements in its entirety. I don't really care if people fall for some generic PR stuff either. You tell it like it is.

However... Lloyd is not getting in.

 

[Chandeelure]

Third parties,Pacman,Lloyd...I still prefer Bomberman.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Third parties,Pacman,Lloyd...I still prefer Bomberman.

It's actually unbelievable that Bomberman isn't getting into Smash for a second time. It truly is.

 

[ChronoBound]

This is stupid.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Here's what I'm saying... I'm saying what Sakurai said isn't true, because even he doesn't believe it's true. I think he, and let me get through this statement, I think Sakurai only said that because he knew everybody would expect Namco to get special treatment. So what does he do? He says they won't, but are we really going to believe they won't. I think Sakurai is just trying to bull**** the fanbase, that's all. You know political correctness, PR stuff that sort of thing.

It being realistic, if being willing to see the truth for what it is makes me 'narrow minded' or 'stupid' then so be it. I don't care. I just don't care. All I know is that I speak my mind and tell it like it is, like you won't see anywhere else in this forum. I tell it like it is whether you all like it or not. Damn.

Yes, saying two cherished Nintendo franchises that are clearly important to Sakurai being less important than Tales is certainly telling it like it is.

Honestly, I'm sure Pacman will at least be considered. AT THE VERY LEAST. But that's it. He could get in, he could not. Who knows? And Sakurai quite literally said no companies get special treatment, and that third parties will not be added willy-nilly. Lloyd is a prime example of a willy-nilly, "let's beef up the roster" character.

He's not getting in. Maybe, if he reaches the level of importance that Pacman has, then yeah. Sure, let him be in. But for now, he hasn't done jack-diddly-squat.

 

[Frostwraith]

Star Fox: Assault was developed by Namco. Welp, should have put Pac-Man or Lloyd in it.
Project X Zone, the Namco-Sega-Capcom crossover, was developed by Monolith Soft, a Nintendo studio. Welp, should have put Shulk or Mario in.
Sega developed F-Zero GX. Sonic and Tails totally should have appeared in that game as an Easter Egg.
Game Arts developed Brawl. Why there aren't Game Arts characters in the game is beyond me.
Capcom developed Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons. Where is the obligatory Mega Man cameo in the game?

See how absurd any of those statements sound? Company developing a game has absolutely no correlation with said company putting their characters in.

 

[Baskerville]

This is stupid.

I'm shocked it took someone this long to say it.

 

[jaytalks]

the fact that fire emblem is getting its own crossover is a sign of its own popularity. It is one of only, what, four Nintendo franchises to cross over with a third party? Mario, Fire Emblem, Wario, and Pokemon.

 

[Morbi]

I'm shocked it took someone this long to say it.

It was kind of implied. I didn't think anyone needed to make it overt. Lol.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Lloyd is not on that level of popularity and "legendary status" as Mario, Sonic, Snake, Megaman, or Pacman. If you want to argue, go ahead, but saying anything against that previous statement is incredibly stupid, even for someone as close-minded as you.

How is that close-minded? Just wondering.

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[KingofPhantoms]

-Believes Sakurai is trying to fool the cummunity by saying the exact opposite of what he means.

-Looking far too deeply into a quote that isn't vague and has a clear meaning.

-Almost brings politics into the thread.

I literally, honestly have nothing more to say about this. This gif will have to suffice.

 

[jaytalks]

All this talk about crossover has me thinking. Does anyone else hope that the unannounced Sonic game in the Wii U exclusive Sonic Trio of games is Mario vs Sonic?

With the new mechanics in Sonic: The Lost World, I can see Mario and Sonic fitting together in a platformer together much better.

Mario vs Sonic would seriously move some Wii U's.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Here's what I'm saying... I'm saying what Sakurai said isn't true, because even he doesn't believe it's true.

PROOF? SOURCE? ANYTHING!?!?!!?!?!?!!? YOU'RE JUST GONNA SAY THAT SAKURAI KNOWS HE'S LYING!?

I think he, and let me get through this statement, I think Sakurai only said that because he knew everybody would expect Namco to get special treatment. So what does he do? He says they won't, but are we really going to believe they won't. I think Sakurai is just trying to bull**** the fanbase, that's all. You know political correctness, PR stuff that sort of thing.

Yes, I see. I think this may be complete and utter bull ****. (seriously though if this is what you think then stop claiming it as fact)

It being realistic

It's being in pure denial. To the point that you are actually starting to literally scare me.

, if being willing to see the truth for what it is makes me 'narrow minded' or 'stupid' then so be it. I don't care. I just don't care. All I know is that I speak my mind and tell it like it is, like you won't see anywhere else in this forum. I tell it like it is whether you all like it or not. Damn.

Just like we say you are crazy because we tell it like it is. Whether you like it or not. You've really made it to the top. You are the first person to actually contradict the creator of Smash Brothers and just claim with no evidence that you are always telling the truth regardless of being prove wrong. That is denial to the point of insanity. You are officially the worst person on this site affiliated with Smash Speculation.

 

[TumblrFamous]

How is that close-minded? Just wondering.

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Well, I've come to terms that he cannot understand anyone else's opinions. Then I again, I can't either, so all of us are hypocrites.

He thinks Lloyd or Tales in general is extremely important, in fact on par with the other NINTENDO franchises or legendary gaming icons. It doesn't make sense. To even think that he is shocks me, even from him. I mean, Lloyd equals Mario, Lloyd equals Megaman? What?

I could have worded it better, though. But basically I think it is quite extraordinary that someone can even think something like that.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

I simply have no words for such tremendous stupidity... Says you.

Deity, if Sakurai says Namco Bandai doesn't get special treatment, they don't get any ****ing special treatment. Namco Bandai was hired for one thing: game development, not putting characters in the franchise. So you truly believe they won't get a SINGLE character? Why? Honestly, why?

That doesn't mean that it's impossible for a Namco character to be in. It just means that they are as likely as any other 3rd party character. If Sakurai decides to add a Namco Bandai character, he will add. If he doesn't want a Namco character, he doesn't add. What could be more simple?

If you knew ANYTHING about the real world... which you clearly don't... you would know special treatment happens all the time. All the time. Like affirmative action or the feminization of society... Don't think Nintendo is not above special treatment. it's all PR bull**** and nothing more. All companies do this. ALL OF THEM. That's how it works doesn't it? Is Sakurai really going to say "Oh yeah Namco will also get no characters in the game BUT they will still have to work on it..." or "Yeah they will"? Seriously? Do people really believe Namco will NOT get a SINGLE character in the game? SMH

WHY do people pray and worship Sakurai as if he's a GOD. Why? Its like ANYTHING he says, ANYTHING he says, its gospel. Nevermind he went back on his word with Villager, he had to remove tripping because it sucked, and that he once said no characters would get cut in Brawl but some did anyways...... Meaning Sakurai's words aren't gospel at all. he's a sinful human being like all of us.

Yeah, but they're unpopular now. Let's just cut out THE ENTIRE FRANCHISE now and add a Tales Franchise. I mean, they did have like 3 games on Nintendo, right?

Earthgound has like what 3 games as well. 2 OF THEM ONLY IN JAPAN? Yeah... you can't really argue that Sakurai didn't add Earthbound to Smash because of Sakurai and Sakurai alone.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I told you guys arguing feeding him was fun.

 

[Seraphim.]

We're just going in circles with this topic now.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Thank you. I just want to let you know that I agree with your statements in its entirety. I don't really care if people fall for some generic PR stuff either. You tell it like it is.

However... Lloyd is not getting in.

THANK YOU... somebody who FINALLY gets it... I mean like wow....

 

[jaytalks]

Sonic has been getting good with his crossovers. Just announced for Smash. Has his own racing cross over series. Just finished a cross over with Mega Man in Archie Comics. It's about time we got our Mario vs Sonic. It's been in the making for what 22 years!?

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Well, I've come to terms that he cannot understand anyone else's opinions. Then I again, I can't either, so all of us are hypocrites.

He thinks Lloyd or Tales in general is extremely important, in fact on par with the other NINTENDO franchises or legendary gaming icons. It doesn't make sense. To even think that he is shocks me, even from him. I mean, Lloyd equals Mario, Lloyd equals Megaman? What?

I could have worded it better, though. But basically I think it is quite extraordinary that someone can even think something like that.

I NEVER said Lloyd, or even Pacman, was "on par" with Mario. I only said they were deserving.

 

[TumblrFamous]

You know what? I need a breather. Frost, I'm almost done with the grading for the soundtrack contest. I'm gonna work on those for a while. But let me just leave one final note:

Sakurai wants to add legendary mascots of video games. Actual mascots of their companies. Lloyd is not a legendary mascot, at least not on par with someone like Mario. Or Snake. Or Sonic. Or Megaman. Or Pacman. Hell, even Bomberman makes more sense. By not being on par with these characters, he does NOT deserve to be in.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

WHY do people pray and worship Sakurai as if he's a GOD. Why? Its like ANYTHING he says, ANYTHING he says, its gospel. Nevermind he went back on his word with Villager, he had to remove tripping because it sucked, and that he once said no characters would get cut in Brawl but some did anyways...... Meaning Sakurai's words aren't gospel at all. he's a sinful human being like all of us.

Well, Sakurai is, y'know, the director and all.

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[FlareHabanero]

It's about time we got our Mario vs Sonic. It's been in the making for what. 22 year!?

 

[N3ON]

I told you guys arguing feeding him was fun.

Alright Noah, if you legitimately disagree with him and want to have a serious "debate" (good luck) that's one thing, but if you're arguing with him and trying to provoke him for fun, you really have no right to complain about him, and I'm going to ask that you stop.

 

[Morbi]

To be fair, if Pac-Man makes it in the game... we will have known that Divine was actually right. Here is why, despite many people saying that Pac-Man doesn't need special circumstances to get into the game based on his iconic role as one of the most well-known video game characters, he would be a special treatment inclusion. If Namco Bandai wasn't co-developing the game, nobody would even consider Pac-Man to be a viable character. People would laugh him off like we laugh of Lloyd or Geno... or Goku or Master Chief.

If Pac-Man legitimately makes it in the game, Sakurai was saying that as a PR statement. It is really simple, almost indisputable.

 

[jaytalks]

that's like the tease. The real money is in a legit platformer.

Both companies could use a hail mary pass.

 

[Chandeelure]

I NEVER said Lloyd, or even Pacman, was "on par" with Mario. I only said they were deserving.

If you want Lloyd in Smash,you can play Smash Flash XD

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Well, I've come to terms that he cannot understand anyone else's opinions. Then I again, I can't either, so all of us are hypocrites.

He thinks Lloyd or Tales in general is extremely important, in fact on par with the other NINTENDO franchises or legendary gaming icons. It doesn't make sense. To even think that he is shocks me, even from him. I mean, Lloyd equals Mario, Lloyd equals Megaman? What?

I could have worded it better, though. But basically I think it is quite extraordinary that someone can even think something like that.

I NEVER said Lloyd, or even Pacman, was "on par" with Mario. I only said they were deserving.

PROOF? SOURCE? ANYTHING!?!?!!?!?!?!!? YOU'RE JUST GONNA SAY THAT SAKURAI KNOWS HE'S LYING!?

Yes, I see. I think this may be complete and utter bull ****. (seriously though if this is what you think then stop claiming it as fact)

It's being in pure denial. To the point that you are actually starting to literally scare me.
First of all do you ALWAYS post the SAME videos ALL THE TIME? Do you have like a collection of videos ready to use? Seriousy Noah come on.


Just like we say you are crazy because we tell it like it is. Whether you like it or not. You've really made it to the top. You are the first person to actually contradict the creator of Smash Brothers and just claim with no evidence that you are always telling the truth regardless of being prove wrong. That is denial to the point of insanity. You are officially the worst person on this site affiliated with Smash Speculation.

Ummm... who exactly has the worst reputation on this site.... I think a certain somebody called Noah Jenius Linderer. Not me Noah, You. You're the one everybody warned me about. Your the one everybody said had horrible roster predictions.. Your the one everybody said insulted everybody left and right and treated everybody like ****. your the one everybody said was the worst thing to be on this site. Seriously, Noah.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Earthgound has like what 3 games as well. 2 OF THEM ONLY IN JAPAN? Yeah... you can't really argue that Sakurai didn't add Earthbound to Smash because of Sakurai and Sakurai alone.

One more thing. Japan has a higher priority. America is, and never will be the main thing Sakurai looks at. So stop making everything revolve around America. Hell, we can't even make a simple compromise without shutting down our damn government.

We're not the big dogs Sakurai is looking at. Japan is. Period, end of story.

 

[Louie G.]

Man, you play an hour of TF2 and miss 4 pages.
What happened that I missed?

 

[TumblrFamous]

Man, you play an hour of TF2 and miss 4 pages.
What happened that I missed?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

Screw it, I'm going to the Wii U page.

 

[kingmario92]

Man, you play an hour of TF2 and miss 4 pages.
What happened that I missed?

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