Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[YoshiandToad]

I have no idea WHY, but...

What if they're pushing for Blue Toad to BE the new iconic Toad? I mean, I know that sounds weird, but...when was the last time Iconic Toad was in a Mario adventure? Not Sunshine, Galaxies, NSMB (playable appearances, anyway) or Super Mario 3D World.

Once again, this is all just hypothetical.

It does seem possible actually. Not weird at all.

With "Buckenberry" starring in New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Wii U, Luigi U, and now 3D World. Perhaps Toad's setting up for an image change?

Yes, I'm aware it's possible they just made him blue so all the characters are different colours, but then why the hell not use Wario and Waluigi for the alts in NSMB instead? Hell, this would of been the perfect way to get Waluigi into a non spinoff game. Arguably they wouldn't use the Wario Bros.(if they ARE brothers) because they're anti villains, but SMB64 DS already showed Wario is willing to aid the Mario Bros if needs be, and Nabbit in Luigi U doesn't exactly come off as a good guy.

I think Toad is more important to the Mario series than a lot of people give him credit for.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Why are people so desperate with Toad?

 

[josh bones]

I played as 'Daisy' Peach today, so I can confirm it's always that Toad.

Actually while we're on the subject when Kirby copied Peach he also gained a Toad. So two Toads can exist simultaneously without resulting to duping Peach up within Smash already. As far as I was aware whilst Kirby can copy skills, he cannot reproduce living beings.

I still believe he's one of the more deserving and iconic Nintendo characters not in Smash and apparetly I'm not alone.

So toads aren't living beings?
QUICK SOMEONE MAKE FANFIC ABOUT THIS!

 

[Morbi]

Evidence Against Toad
1. A picture of Peach using Toad has her neutral special.

Evidence For Toad
1. Move-sets are not finalized.
2. Toad is one of the most iconic Mario characters.
3. He is playable in all recent Mario games or upcoming Mario games.
4. A huge staple of the Party and Kart series.
5. We have pallet swaps to represent every Toad. Blue Toad included.
6. Kirby can use Toad some how with his copy ability.
7. Melee roster had the same person playable (Link and Toon Link). So Toad can easily fight Peach.
8. It is a video-game where anything can happen. Wii Fit Trainer or Villager anyone?
9. We don't even know if Peach is pulling the iconic Toad out of her snatch.

Things to note: The picture is irrelevant. It doesn't de-confirm anything at all. It doesn't support anything at all. It is a picture in PEACH's section of the website. Not to mention it might not make the final cut of the game. I don't see how this picture could possibly de-confirm Toad in the same way that a Sora Ltd. representative could. This doesn't allude to his possibility either. It is merely an insignificant picture.

Please tell me any other evidence to add against Toad. The only relevant piece of information I could find is the picture.

 

[kikaru]

Why not Rainbow Toad?

Couldn't help but think of this:

 

[YoshiandToad]

Why are people so desperate with Toad?

Would you prefer we talk about Fire Emblem?

 

[Arcadenik]

It does seem possible actually. Not weird at all.

With "Buckenberry" starring in New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Wii U, Luigi U, and now 3D World. Perhaps Toad's setting up for an image change?

Yes, I'm aware it's possible they just made him blue so all the characters are different colours, but then why the hell not use Wario and Waluigi for the alts in NSMB instead? Hell, this would of been the perfect way to get Waluigi into a non spinoff game. Arguably they wouldn't use the Wario Bros.(if they ARE brothers) because they're anti villains, but SMB64 DS already showed Wario is willing to aid the Mario Bros if needs be, and Nabbit in Luigi U doesn't exactly come off as a good guy.

I think Toad is more important to the Mario series than a lot of people give him credit for.

I think they included Toad instead of Wario and Waluigi because Toad had a similar body type to Mario and Luigi... that, and the developers wanted all the characters to play the same in multiplayer mode. It was nice but I am glad they changed that in Super Mario 3D World... now all the characters play differently.

Super Mario Bros. 2 lives on!

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Would you prefer we talk about Fire Emblem?

Let's talk about Chrom and how he's the prime candidate for Smash 4.

Also, my signature has appeared twice on this page...glitch?

EDIT: Oh, it vanished...another glitch?

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[josh bones]

So toads aren't living beings?
QUICK MAKE A FANFIC ON THIS!

 

[BluePikmin11]

Would you prefer we talk about Fire Emblem?

How bout we talk about Anna!

 

[Bajef8]

I'm going to say once again why the "doubles partner" logic the haters have come up with is nothing but bull****.

-Waluigi was created specifically to serve as a rival to Luigi.
-Wario did not need a partner made for him. There were multiple options; Bowser ("the enemy of my enemy is my ally"), Giant Spear Man (followed Wario home after the true ending of Wario Land 2), Tatanga (One of Wario's lackeys; was sent to distract Mario by kidnapping Daisy so that Wario could take over his castle), Kurosu, Rikki, Sabasa, one of the Three Little Pigheads, or Pako (other lackeys of Wario), or even Foreman Spike, considering he was still around. Pretty sure a Wario/Spike partnership would make a lot of sense.
-"Doubles Partners" doesn't make sense with other playable character choices. Who's Yoshi's Partner for example? Is it Baby Mario? Is it Birdo? Both are given nods to Yoshi in-game....
-There was going to be an evil Peach as well. This "Warupichi" would have broken the whole "doubles" logic since there would have been three evil counterparts. Miyamoto did not allow the creation of the evil Peach (but found Waluigi acceptable).

As for "Let's just name him Waluigi", that really shows you don't know where his name comes from.
Wario's name is a combination of the words "Warui" (meaning "bad" or "evil") and Mario. So from Warui Mario you get Wario.
Waluigi's name comes from "Warui" and "Ruiji", how Luigi's name is spelled in the Japanese language. So we get Warui Ruiji to Waruiji, which becomes "Waluigi".


I don't care that you hate Waluigi, but when people say stupid and false things about him, I don't allow it to go unpunished.

False statements? I love how you think I didn't know where the name thing comes from. Nice assumption, you know what they say about that...It was lazy. It was neat for Wario and almost logical because it inverses the "M" of Mario into a "W" and has the "Wa" part in Wario's name naturally. They forced the whole warui thing onto Luigi's name. And they spell Luigi differently but keep Mario in Japan? Nice try. Talk about false statements. They pronounce it "Ruiji" not spell it that way. Waluigi looks awkward on paper, and was a very lazily created character with no inspiration behind it. Waluigi was a cheap addition into Mario Tennis and that's all. He's a pointless character with no importance to the Mario franchise, unless you wanna say his appearances in Mario Party/Kart make him important somehow. He hasn't even gotten the good graces to appear in Warioware, and he is so often associated with Wario.

The fact that his 1st appearance in a Mario game was Mario Tennis also alludes to the fact that he was most likely created for that very reason. If his primary point of creation, as you say, was to be Luigi's rival, why wasn't he made earlier? And why has he continued to be snubbed in every non-spinoff Mario game to date?

 

[YoshiandToad]

Let's talk about Chrom and how he's the prime candidate for Smash 4.

Also, my signature has appeared twice on this page...glitch?

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(You're on a new page. Edit; no you're not. Must be a glitch.)

Chrom is the most likely newcomer for Smash 4. He's not my first choice, but he's the most likely.

 

[Frostwraith]

As much as I like Fire Emblem, please let's not start beating a dead horse again.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Toon Link.

...I don't know.

I mean, we have no proof that Nintendo is pushing the blue Toad to be the new iconic Toad. So that isn't really too solid. Seems to me like it's just because none of the other characters are "blue" as in the colors of the players. I mean really, why didn't they just pick yellow Toad? I don't buy it.

It's gonna sound double standardish, but I just don't think it will happen.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Let's talk Anna or Tiki!

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

As much as I like Fire Emblem, please let's not start beating a dead horse again.

But it's funny watching Chrom fans and Roy fans go at eachother's throats.

I prefer both characters.

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[Morbi]

But it's funny watching Chrom fans and Roy fans go at eachother's throats.

I prefer both characters.

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I prefer none.

 

[Bajef8]

Yeah. I don't play Peach. I assumed it was like Lucario, Marth, Ike, Roy, Fox, Wolf, or Falco's. Sorry. Counter = dspecial to me.

So let me ask you this. 4 Toon Link's fighting on the Spirit Tracks level is not only fine... but normal. However, a Toad fighting a Peach isn't going to happen because... actually you didn't give me a reason.

Now you're twisting my logic lol. I'm not talking about the ability for 4 people to choose to play as 1 guy. Nice try though.

 

[ChronoBound]

...I don't know.

I mean, we have no proof that Nintendo is pushing the blue Toad to be the new iconic Toad.

New Super Mario Bros. Wii
New Super Mario Bros. U
New Super Luigi U
Super Mario 3D World

Seems like they are pushing Blue Toad as the default adventurer Toad in the main series at least.

 

[Morbi]

Now you're twisting my logic lol. I'm not talking about the ability for 4 people to choose to play as 1 guy. Nice try though.

No. You are talking about how it isn't likely that Toad is playable because Peach uses him in one of her own moves. If 4 people play as 1 guy... you have the same person fighting himself... So why wouldn't it be possible for Toad to fight Peach and have the counter used against him?

 

[YoshiandToad]

Now you're twisting my logic lol. I'm not talking about the ability for 4 people to choose to play as 1 guy. Nice try though.

What about Peach Vs. Kirby? Double Toads existing side by side.

 

[TumblrFamous]

I have to say this about Toad:

I think the picture deconfirmed him. I'm still standing by what I said about how he may be referring to her normal moves and smashes. I mean, they showed him off on the site, so I think he is just stuck as Peach's special.

I don't hate Toad, he's in fact my second most wanted Mario rep, after Jr. of course. I mean, Sakurai could make a video of Peach constantly using Toad Counter, and he eventually snaps and smashes her off the stage.

It can be either a full decomfirmation or Sakurai trolling us, which he likes to do.

 

[Bajef8]

Seems to me like it's just because none of the other characters are "blue" as in the colors of the players. I mean really, why didn't they just pick yellow Toad? I don't buy it.

It's gonna sound double standardish, but I just don't think it will happen.

This is exactly what I've been telling them, but they refuse to listen. Toad was an easy to way to get a blue 4th playable. Just as Toad was an easy way to get a yellow 3rd and blue 4th playable in that other platformer.

 

[Morbi]

What about Peach Vs. Kirby? Double Toads existing side by side.

What about Peach vs. Peach? It is the same thing really. Double Toads... Triple Toads... then throw in Kirby and you have a Quad Feed of Toads.

The point is that the picture doesn't de-confirm ****.

 

[ChronoBound]

Chrom is the most likely newcomer for Smash 4. He's not my first choice, but he's the most likely.

I think overall he has the most inflated chances of any character in regards to Smash 4.

I think most likely goes to a character like Mewtwo or maybe even Little Mac.

I seem to go against the grain in regards to character predictions, but sometimes the crowd is wrong.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Would you prefer we talk about Fire Emblem?

Would you prefer to choke on a **** for even suggesting that?

 

[Frostwraith]

Peach has a Toad special attack. There are many Toads in the Mario series. Ergo, Toad can still be playable.

...Is that so hard to understand? It's pure and simple logic. Toad isn't confirmed, but he's not debunked either.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Or the fact a franchise might stay at four reps, so we might not get a Mario newcomer or Zelda newcomer I hope.
Any addition after Toon Link and Bowser seems (for me) like unnecessary, bland choices.

 

[Morbi]

Peach has a Toad special attack. There are many Toads in the Mario series. Ergo, Toad can still be playable.

...Is that so hard to understand? It's pure and simple logic. Toad isn't confirmed, but he's not debunked either.

Thank YOU so much. You have restored my faith in the forums. Just kidding. Everyone gets this very SIMPLE logic except for Bajef8.

 

[Curious Villager]

Peach has a Toad special attack. There are many Toads in the Mario series. Ergo, Toad can still be playable.

...Is that so hard to understand? It's pure and simple logic. Toad isn't confirmed, but he's not debunked either.

Heck, Toad has been both a playable character and a spectator/NPC in many Mario Spin off games as well as main Mario games. If he can do that, why can't he be both a special move of Peach and a playable character in Smash Bros? :/

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Ok. Hopefully this thing uploads.



What do you guys think?

 

[kikaru]

While we still might see Toad as a playable character I feel like they could have easily swapped out Toad for Toadsworth as Peach's B Neutral instead, sure we might not get the most iconic Toad but I feel that the traditional, most familar, and most recognizable Toad should be the playable one.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

We're talking about Toad now?

As much as I love Toad, with him being Peach's standard B pretty much deconfirmed him

 

[Hotfeet444]

I'm sorry, I've spent the past hour or so watching "There will be Brawl", pretty good stuff.

Anyways, the topic's Toad again? I don't mind, but I feel as if Mario has more interesting characters, namely Bowser Jr. and Paper Mario.

 

[Frostwraith]

Heck, Toad has been both a playable character and a spectator/NPC in many Mario Spin off games as well as main Mario games. If he can do that, why can't he be both a special move of Peach and a playable character in Smash Bros? :/

It's Toon Link all over again... >_>

Anyway, if you check the Trophy descriptions for Yoshi and any of the playable Pokémon, you'll notice that it describes their species or race as a whole rather than an individual. Who's to say it can't happen with Toad?

 

[Knight Dude]

So, anyone wanna talk about Bowser Jr? Anyone?

 

[Espio264]

What about Peach Vs. Kirby? Double Toads existing side by side.

Link and Young Link exist at two different time periods. They are the same person, but can never exist at the same time. They are separate temporal beings.

Link and Toon Link are different dimensional beings. They can exist at the same time, even though they are the same person. Just like DK and 75m DK.

Toon Link and conductor Link are apparently from different tellings of the same dimension. They may be the same person, and can exist at the same time.

Toad is one representative of an entire species, like Yoshi. They are each one, but in theory could be any. We just recognize them as being THE Iconic ONE because they were who we were introduced to first.

Mario and Dr. Mario are the same person. He just happened to put on a Halloween costume. They cannot exist at the same time, unless you use the dimensional argument.

Sonic is Sonic. Fox is Fox. Samus is Samus. But multiple players can each be the same character at once.

We can, and have always had all of these scenarios possible in the game, so why can't Peach's Toad and a playable Toad exist at the same time? Redundancy never bothered Sakurai before.

 

[BluePikmin11]

People should keep the same hope for Balloon Fighter, I think he is one of the most original additions ever who could be added for Smash 4.

 

[YoshiandToad]

We're talking about Toad now?

As much as I love Toad, with him being Peach's standard B pretty much deconfirmed him

Strangely enough, that is what is being discussed.

Would you prefer to choke on a **** for even suggesting that?

Give it two days, it'll happen regardless of anyone's suggestions.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Peach has a Toad special attack. There are many Toads in the Mario series. Ergo, Toad can still be playable.

...Is that so hard to understand? It's pure and simple logic. Toad isn't confirmed, but he's not debunked either.

So, reprising his role from the last games doesn't mean jack?

I don't get you people. We have Ridley being apparently debunked for a playable character despite there being no proof of such, and yet Toad is such a high probability of being playable despite reprising his role of being a meat shield shown in broad day light.