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When I think about it, Mewtwo definitely deserves a trailer, but Roy doesn't, so I feel Roy won't be in SSB4.
Poor old Roy; he helps introduce the west to Fire Emblem, and this is the thanks he gets.

Damn you, Golden. You're getting my hopes up... must resist....

Regarding cuts, how many cuts do you expect after Toon Link's reveal?
After Toon Link I'm relatively hopeful. I'm expecting at most two cuts, same as Melee. If third parties are a one time deal, then the choice of who to cut is...errr...clear cut.

Also I'm expecting Puff for the X/Y reveal. Since Lucario's position as to whether he's cut or not is up in the air, and Mewtwo's return, whilst likely, is NOT set in stone, Puff would be the most likely choice to tease us with, although since she was on the cutting board last time, I guess seeing her return may still be a surprise to some.

In a way, it'd be neat for Wolf, if he is to return, to make an appearence after that too, just so we have all three 'just made it' veterans confirmed early on.
 

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Yeah I know is pretty safe, but actually thinking about the characters added and what they represent it seems they would certainly get a lot of chances, specially because of the high popularity they have and potential moveset.

The thing with 3rd party characters is I don´t think they should be considered a one time only and here is my focus. It seems that every time Sakurai is thinking in adding a 3rd rep from any series he first works really hard in the moveset, after that he starts woking with his team and for the look of it is so much work behind each rep that it seems ludicrous for a normal game developer or game designer would invest so much on it, especially because is not even a main character from Nintendo.

Lets take a look at Sonic his kit resembles a lot of what you can expect about the character it seem that it has a lot of thought behind it, maybe needs a little more work in tweaking his movset but a part from that, Sakurai and his team work it out pretty well even with the time constrain that it have as a last minute inclusion in Brawl.

Now lets take a look to Snake and here is where things get complicated, a lot of people think that Snake is a one time character and I feel this surprising. Why you ask, seriously I think is one of the hardest characters to be implemented in Smash because of the many reasons like Sakurai going against to put real guns in Smash. So Sakurai need to get behind that implementation and think in a completely and unique moveset for Snake that it didn´t feel out of place for the character but being as close as to what you can expect of a soldier in the future with hight tech weapons and stealth attacks, so the fans of Metal Gear and fans of Smash Bros could enjoy playing this character with a lot of arsenal and still work fine without guns, for me and this is my personal thought the amount of time Sakurai put on Snake, work, money, resources, man power and the material gathered for each of his specials is insane and then tweak every single move to perfection so it can be useful in a way, probably did take more times that I can count for each special and work it out so the kit would look awesome, interesting and most important fluent with the character and after all these balance the character with the whole roster. So if I need to say Snake is in the top 5 more complicated characters in Smash and works really well. Finally lets not forget that Snake is among the most used characters and one of the favorites for many people because of his kit and what it represents. So thinking in a way, would you not consider to bring back a character like this after all the work, sweat, blood, tears and fanbase for the next installment of the series? I think Sakurai works really hard for each character he add especially if is thrid party so in the future if the company that is owner of that character would be gladly to lend again his character for future installments in the series.

About Mega Man and this is what make me think that every character and especially if is third party would came back, if I remind correctly the amount work and thought that Sakurai put behind this character is crazy, he said in a interview that it took the same amount of work the implementation of Mega Man in Smash as making again the whole game, when I read that, I was like "I dont even think Sakurai is planning on Mega Man to leave the Smash Series in a long time" would you consider to leave behind a character that has so much work behind so it only be a one time character? I think not and once the game is released probably this character will have a fanbase and be a main character for a lot of people.

So to complete my thought process behind these 3rd party characters is that they have unique kits, take a lot of development, are main stars now in Smash, have a lot of following behind them, are close to Nintendo in some way or form and for being so few I would not think of them as a bother, for example Sonic and Snake only took 5.7% of the roster size compared to the whole cast of Nintendo characters (only counting character slots), now if we make again the math with four 3rd party characters for the new smash it would be 8.90% that take place counting there are 45 characters slot, is not a lot if you think about it, is not even 10% (I´m counting Pac Man, Mega Man, Sonic and Snake).

Shulk is a personal preference is him or Starfy (sorry but I prefer Shulk) and Lucario again I need to make cuts to fit the roster.
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Thank you for the response. You are probably the only one that read it. You did give me a new perspective. One that makes me SOOOOOOO glad I am not Sakurai. I have no idea how he is going to figure out which characters to cut. I do agree, so you converted me. I am going to remain optimistic and hope that all characters make a return. However, I still want Solid Snake replaced with Big Boss. I was never really a big fan of Solid. Punished Snake would be more relevant. Haha.
 

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To give space for more unique characters?
If Pokemon stays at 4 reps it will most likely be:
1. Pikachu
2. Jigglypuff
3. Pokemon Trainer
4. Mewtwo
So Lucario could get cut.
To be fair, Lucario does come off as the most expendable. Mascot, major SSB veteran, most important trainer, and most well known legendary. Lucario doesn't really offer a lot and is mainly playable due to his popularity and use of advertising, meaning nothing actually based on function within the video games. Frankly I'm more surprised people don't predict the removal of Lucario over Jigglypuff. Mewtwo has most of his niches as is while Lucario has only appeared in one game of the franchise.

I'm not saying he's anywhere likely to be cut, but I'd be lying if I said I'm surprised he is.
Poor old Roy; he helps introduce the west to Fire Emblem, and this is the thanks he gets.
Aside from having less WHOA THAT GUY HAS A FIRE SWORD appeal, I'm sure Fire Emblem would have done just as well if only Marth made it into Melee without Roy.
 

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Jigglypuff getting cut, would feel very awkward. Do you guys feel the same way.
I hope you aren't asking me... I wrote a few dissertations on the subject matter.

If it weren't for the fact that Jigglypuff is a three-time veteran, I would've easily scrapped it for someone else.
Such as?! Zoroark? Sylveon? Genesect? Really?
 

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Jigglypuff getting cut, would feel very awkward. Do you guys feel the same way.
As of now? Yes, it feels very awkward to have her cut. If it was in Melee it would've been understandable, if it was in Brawl, it'd be really odd, but still within the realm of understanding, as of now...no, it doesn't feel understandable in the slightest. Jigglypuff has become a staple in the franchise, I can only hope that he/she/it gets announced soon.
 

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Jigglypuff getting cut, would feel very awkward. Do you guys feel the same way.
As Morbid and I have always said:

Jiggs being cut from Melee: Understandable. She was a joke and is on a downward spiral in the anime.
Cut from Brawl: That was weird. But I get it, her time is done.
Smash 4/5: Now? That is uncalled for, shouldn't happen, and the roster would feel as if it was missing something.

Her time to be cut was Melee and maybe even Brawl but definitely not now. It's way too late for that.

EDIT: Why must I be continually ninja'd -__-
 

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As Morbid and I have always said:

Jiggs being cut from Melee: Understandable. She was a joke and is on a downward spiral in the anime.
Cut from Brawl: That was weird. But I get it, her time is done.
Smash 4/5: Now? That is uncalled for, shouldn't happen, and the roster would feel as if it was missing something.

EDIT: Why must I be continually ninja'd -__-
Well I am a Grandmaster Ninja, I did all my training at Knock-Block Tower.

I hope you aren't asking me... I wrote a few dissertations on the subject matter.



Such as?! Zoroark? Sylveon? Genesect? Really?
I'd personally want to play as Zoroark and Sylveon more, but that's just me.
 

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As Morbid and I have always said:

Jiggs being cut from Melee: Understandable. She was a joke and is on a downward spiral in the anime.
Cut from Brawl: That was weird. But I get it, her time is done.
Smash 4/5: Now? That is uncalled for, shouldn't happen, and the roster would feel as if it was missing something.

EDIT: Why must I be continually ninja'd -__-
Just know that we are the Jigglypuff OG's. We were dishing out arguments, evidence, examples, and analogies long before anyone else. :jigglypuffmelee:
 

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The main problem with the Pokemon Trainer, however, is that only his Charizard is able to mega evolve. Ivysaur and Squirtle can't mega evolve until they become a Venusaur and Blastoise respectively.
Either Mewtwo Mega Evolves into his Y form or nobody gets Mega Evolutions in Smash 4. It's a very uncreative and lazy Final Smash when you give it to more than 1 Pokemon.
 

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Aside from having less WHOA THAT GUY HAS A FIRE SWORD appeal, I'm sure Fire Emblem would have done just as well if only Marth made it into Melee without Roy.
I was a teenager when Melee came out, I can tell you which character gripped my interest between Fire Sword and pretty boy bishonen. I suspect I'm not alone in this area.

Still, opinions are subjective so I won't argue this point, but I think including Roy certainly didn't hurt Fire Emblem's Western appeal at the time.
 

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5 is personally overrepresentation to me.
That's funny, since Melee had 5 Mario characters and at that time was overrepresentation. If you are the most popular franchises from Nintendo, you're gonna get more reps


I'm personally fine with Mario and Pokemon both getting 5 reps. At least let Lucario make the roster

To give space for more unique characters?
If Pokemon stays at 4 reps it will most likely be:
1. Pikachu
2. Jigglypuff
3. Pokemon Trainer
4. Mewtwo
So Lucario could get cut.



Just don't give them Mega-Evolutions.. Just give them the same Final Smash as Brawl had.
Uh...hi, Lucario main over here? I've already explained to you and Dragon both why Lucario should stay yet you're both still on it.
 

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Lucas is important to Mother franchise, perhaps more important than Ness.
I don't know about more important than Ness, but he's definitely important enough to keep in Smash Bros. To be honest, I label Ninten, Ness and Lucas as equals in importance as none of them have reoccuring roles aside from their role as the main protagonist of their game.
 

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Either Mewtwo Mega Evolves into his Y form or nobody gets Mega Evolutions in Smash 4. It's a very uncreative and lazy Final Smash when you give it to more than 1 Pokemon.
Why wouldn't Lucario? His Mega Evolution looks boss. Mewtwo might not, just because he has two. I don't see it happening. It would be cool if they thought of a way to make it work.

Lucas is important to Mother franchise, perhaps more important than Ness.
Ness is more important to the Smash franchise.
 

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Thank you for the response. You are probably the only one that read it. You did give me a new perspective. One that makes me SOOOOOOO glad I am not Sakurai. I have no idea how he is going to figure out which characters to cut. I do agree, so you converted me. I am going to remain optimistic and hope that all characters make a return. However, I still want Solid Snake replaced with Big Boss. I was never really a big fan of Solid. Punished Snake would be more relevant. Haha.
Yeah I mean he can switch the characters but probably Big Boss could work as another skin for Snake I don´t know. Is really interesting it seem that Sakurai puts more work on 3rd party characters than some of the main Nintendo characters, i could even think is the triple or even the quadruple of work behind them.
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Why wouldn't Lucario? His Mega Evolution looks boss. Mewtwo might not, just because he has two. I don't see it happening. It would be cool if they thought of a way to make it work.



Ness is more important to the Smash franchise.
Doesn't make him more important to the MOTHER franchise which is what matters. (except he already is more important to the MOTHER franchise)
 

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Doesn't make him more important to the MOTHER franchise which is what matters. (except he already is more important to the MOTHER franchise)
I have to disagree. Being important to the Smash franchise is more important in regards to Smash. Ness isn't getting cut. Lucas might be in danger. It doesn't matter who is more important in Mother. If Ness is more important to the Mother franchise... why on Earth are we even having this discussion? That would make Ness the universally accepted character.
 

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Yeah I mean he can switch the characters but probably Big Boss could work as another skin for Snake I don´t know. Is really interesting it seem that Sakurai puts more works on 3rd party characters than some of the main Nintendo characters, i could even think is the triple or even the quadruple of work behind them.
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To be honest, if we do get Snake back, I do hope it's Naked Snake/Big Boss. I mean, the game mainly refers to the character as "Snake" anyways, so I don't see it being out of the realm of possibility. Not to mention a stealth style like Snake's mixed in with a bit of knife play that Naked Snake was known for, it'd be a great fighting style. Not to mention it could utilize some of the more unique weapons, and if he isn't going to use guns, at least let him use the Stun Gun to stun opponents.
 

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Lucas is important to Mother franchise, perhaps more important than Ness.
Ehm, no. Ness is the protagonist of the only game in the series that got localized, not to mention the fan favorite game in the series. Ness is the face of the Mother series, Lucas comes in second after him.
 

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My Wish Roster. Because why not.
No because if Caeda and SS Zelda are there it's much more difficult for me to ship MarthxZelda. :3

Also, SaturnGamer64, while you're here, you didn't respond to my response to your response. Do you even have alerts telling when someone replied on? Because you should turn it on, and then look at them. Then again, when I looked at 'my content', it didn't show up, so I had to dig for it to find it. Strange. Are you a wizard?
 

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I was a teenager when Melee came out, I can tell you which character gripped my interest between Fire Sword and pretty boy bishonen. I suspect I'm not alone in this area.

Still, opinions are subjective so I won't argue this point, but I think including Roy certainly didn't hurt Fire Emblem's Western appeal at the time.
I thought Marth was Martha. I legit thought Marth was a female. You are not alone in this area at all. I would much rather play Roy. FIRE SWORD!
 

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I have to disagree. Being important to the Smash franchise is more important in regards to Smash. Ness isn't getting cut. Lucas might be in danger. It doesn't matter who is more important in Mother. If Ness is more important to the Mother franchise... why on Earth are we even having this discussion? That would make Ness the universally accepted character.
Because Blue is Blue, and he constantly makes the dumbest posts and/or dumbest reasons. I mean, have you seen his rosters from two months ago? My god, they were terrible

Ness would be more important than Lucas, but they're both important enough to make the Smash games.

I thought Marth was a girl's name in Melee XD
 

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I thought Marth was Martha. I legit thought Marth was a female. You are not alone in this area at all. I would much rather play Roy. FIRE SWORD!
I thought Pit was female for quite a long time because of how little I knew of Retro characters. Good thing I found out he was a guy before I heard the voice.
 

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But, Blue seems to think being a 1 time vet does
Well, technically speaking, if Lucas was in Smash 4 that would be a 2 time vet and thus could be a staple. Toon Link, as of officially right now, has been in Smash as many times as Zelda. Of course thats going to change though. Haha

Edit: Question! For Smash 4, are we all agreeing everyone who made into brawl from Melee is basically 99% guaranteed?
 
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