Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Rasumii]

Ninja Gaiden. Oh if only it wasn't third-party. I actually don't even want it that bad, but the NES games were fun at least.

RBI Baseball Rep. Let's go.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Even though theres not much Bubbles could work with, I'd still like to see what could be done for her in Smash.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Ninja Gaiden. Oh if only it wasn't third-party. I actually don't even want it that bad, but the NES games were fun at least.

Ryu's final smash should be sending a million of those ****ing eagles after the players. **** that knockback, **** those eagles.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

As far as Wonder Red, I can't say why he hasn't been revealed with W101.

However, there is something different in this Dojo than the Brawl one. There have been no newcomers besides E3, which leads me to believe that there is something different this time. Anytime we get a Direct concerning Smash, I think we'll get a small group, maybe 2 or 3 newcomers.

I'd also like to note that sales don't matter as far as inclusion for Smash. Ike's game was the worst in the series and he got in. Roy's game produced 0 sales because it wasn't even out yet.

Wonder Red may not get in, but Wonderful 101 is a fantastic game. Anybody with a Wii U should at least try it. The gameplay can be aggravating at times, but besides the few occasions where the controls get wacky, it's a fun (but hard) game.

The game was initially revealed at E3 2012, so I would make a guess that Sakurai at least knew about the game if Nintendo was making a big deal about it like they did. Besides Xenoblade and quite a few other games that I myself considered "shovelware", The Wonderful 101 is one of Nintendo's newest IP's in quite awhile.

The unique fighting style that Wonder Red has is something that I don't think you can get anywhere else. He has a giant ****ing fist made of people. It's awesome.

I think if more people owned a Wii U, and were able to get a shot at the demo, the game would have done WAY better, which is why I think the sales thus far should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[Arcadenik]

On searching, yes, he did get a trophy. My bad.

So Sakurai did consider him along with the other rejected retro characters. So it puts him on par with other retros.

No, he didn't. Sheriff wasn't considered at all. Sakurai only mentioned Balloon Fighter, Bubbles, Excitebiker, and Urban Champion.

まさかこんなカタチで復活するなんて！
とちまたでウワサのアイスクライマーです。

「なぜアイスクライマーを選んだの？」とはよく聞かれたりします。

まず、ファミコンオリジナルのキャラクターから代表して１つ出そう！と決めたら、あとは消去法でした。

　バルーンファイト・・・風船割られてだめそうだし
　アーバンチャンピオン・・・ワザが少なそうだし
　クルクルランド・・・どう戦っていいのかわからないし
　エキサイトバイク・・・ジャンプ台つくらなきゃだし
　　　　　　　　　　　　（そういう問題でなく）

それと、キャラ選別には「そのキャラにしかできないこと」があることが重要です。

アイスクライマーなら、２人同時プレイをもじって２人同時に動かすのも面白そうだと思い、晴れて参加となりました。

アイスクライマーを相手にするとやっかいな感じです。
２人同時のコンビネーションは想像以上にてごわい反面、操作しているプレイヤーにはあまり強いという印象を与えにくく、知らずのうちによく勝っている、なんてこともありそうです。

ただ、アイスクライマーには、「空中横移動速度が遅い」という、原作に忠実かつスマブラでは致命的な弱点も作ったので、両極端なキャラになりそうです。
（最近の調整でそうでもなくなったような？まだわかりませんが）

ちなみにポポとナナは、おさななじみ的な男女だそうです。
友達以上恋人未満というか。

No way it is! Restored in this form!
This is the Ice Climber of rumors in the streets and.

You can often heard the expression "? Chose Ice Climber why".

First, Let's Put one on behalf of the character from NES original! Once decided, it was a process of elimination the rest.

And then useless so is divided Balloon Fight ... balloon
Urban Champion ... then it moves on so small
And then not know what good fighting if Clu Land ...
Because he'll have to make Excitebike ... Jump
(Rather than the kind of problem)

At the same, that there are "things that can only be done in the character" in the character selection is important.

You think if Ice Climber, it's moving at the same time two people to play on the two people play simultaneously also it's interesting, and it was with participation openly.

It is a nasty feeling when you against the Ice Climber.
It is hard to give the impression combination of two simultaneous stronger much to players on the other hand is formidable than you think, you are operating, it is!, Are often won out of not knowing is also likely.

However, the Ice Climber, because it also made fatal weakness "air side movement speed is slow" and, in Smash Bros. and faithful to the original, it is going to be a character extremes.
(I do not know yet?, Such as no longer be the case in the recent adjustment)

By the way, Nana and Popo is said that men and women typical childhood friend.
I mean lover less than more than a friend.

 

[BluePikmin11]

So does anyone wanna discuss more Balloon Fighter?

 

[Arcadenik]

Balloon Fighter? Well, like Sakurai said before... he would be useless without balloons... and given Sakurai's emphasis on "uniqueness" concerning potential newcomers... what makes Balloon Fighter unique now that Villager took the only thing that made Balloon Fighter unique? Don't get me wrong, I actually like Balloon Fighter (not as a Smash fighter, but I liked his game) but I believe this is a legitimate concern.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I'll give something about Wonder Red, see, him (and any other games owned by Platinum) are still really Platinum. Platinum isn't really second-party (...at least not yet); if they were, I think we could get away with more than just Wonder Red.

Legal loopholes are more of a ***** than anyone here thinks.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Balloon Fighter could rely on his balloons to have awesome air combo games like Jiggz.
Villager just uses it as a recovery, he doesn't really rely on it.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I was also going to say that if platinum becomes first-party, we get Amaterasu, but then I realized Capcom exists

Oh right

>_>

 

[BluePikmin11]

I think Balloon Fighter would define a very floaty character..

 

[Gune]

We have lots of floaty charecters balloon fighter wouldn't be any different than they are he needs something more to make him stand out, but seeing as we have balloon fighter as a recovery for villager I would say he isn't needed anymore.

 

[Chandeelure]

Nintendo Direct about 3DS and Wii U tomorrow,something about Smash Bros?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Nintendo Direct about 3DS and Wii U tomorrow,something about Smash Bros?

Nintendo Direct focused on Wii U and Nintendo 3DS games launching later this year.
Probably won't have Smash Bros in the direct.

@Gune, As I said before he could rely on his Balloons for recoveries and attacks.

 

[Gune]

Nintendo Direct about 3DS and Wii U tomorrow,something about Smash Bros?

Doubt it.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Alice from Balloon Kid would be somewhat of a more personafied choice to me. Besides she's so cute!

Also I hope they show SM3D World finally in some form...

 

[BluePikmin11]

But this guy is the more iconic out of all BF characters:

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I'll give something about Wonder Red, see, him (and any other games owned by Platinum) are still really Platinum. Platinum isn't really second-party (...at least not yet); if they were, I think we could get away with more than just Wonder Red.

Legal loopholes are more of a ***** than anyone here thinks.

I'm pretty sure Nintendo owns the IP while Platinum is just developing it. Wonderful 101 is a first party game I believe (or 2nd party. I'm not entirely sure. But it isn't 3rd party.)

 

[AEMehr]

Maybe we'll finally get to know who that hidden fourth playable character is in Tropical Freeze.
But the Direct is for games coming later this year, so I'm doubt any Smash news.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Maybe we'll finally get to know who that hidden fourth playable character is in Tropical Freeze.
But the Direct is for games coming later this year, so I'm doubt any Smash news.

It's definitely not gonna be K. Rool though..

 

[AEMehr]

It's definitely not gonna be K. Rool though..

Not sure how you got that from my statement, but okay that's your opinion I guess.

I think it would be pretty funny to see K. Rool kinda mixed in all of that. With some potentially funny win screens. I just can't think of a way of how he would assist Donkey Kong in Multiplayer (Considering that the other two playable characters jump on and off of his back to assist DK).
Still that's something I'd really be fond of seeing.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

So was Mario Jumpman and Donkey Kong.
Not to mention all of the Game & Watch characters in the G&W games that were all mixed into Mr. Game & Watch.
He's one of the first alright, but not nearly as notable as the others.

I am not saying anything guaranteed, I am only saying he would be a good choice

And he fits directly with Mr. Game & Watch and ROB, being a retro from somewhere else (not the NES)

 

[FalKoopa]

Page 777... You guys have won the jackpot!

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

AHEM...

I won the jackpot. This IS my thread you know

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Just by looking at the last two Smash Bros games we appear to usually get 2 new Retros with each game. One appears to be more NES related, the other being a Retro character from somewhere else. Not saying this is an exact, guaranteed, pattern but it is interesting to think about when looking for potential Retro characters for SSB4.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Personally I think Wii Fit Trainer is the WTF this game. R.O.B and G&W were other characters literally nobody saw coming. I don't think the WTF character has to be retro. It just has to be shock worthy.

 

[SonicMario]

Maybe we'll finally get to know who that hidden fourth playable character is in Tropical Freeze.
But the Direct is for games coming later this year, so I'm doubt any Smash news.

The same was said for the one in August. But they showed Luigi anyway.

Granted, I do think it'd be a bit too soon for yet another character reveal because the Toon Link reveal is still kind of fresh. So I could see why there'd be nothing about Smash in the direct anyway

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Yea I'm not expecting Smash news with this unless they take a good look at a particular game and it makes sense. They're basically just going to review what's coming. That would probably mean Sonic Lost World, SM3DW, Tropical Freeze, maybe Pokemon again, 3rd party releases, etc...

Really the only characters that would even be plausible to be revealed at all are a Mario Newcomer, Dixie or K.Rool, Sonic, a Pokemon character, Pac-Man, or Mii's.

I'm still not sold on the idea of Pac-Man or Miis based on the fact that Sakurai has already said that Namco isn't getting special treatment, and that Nintendo doesn't like the idea of using Mii's in a fighting game or violent environment. So quite honestly, i'm not sure how valid those two are. I could see Pac-Man, but i'm not sure it's 100% going to happen.

 

[NickerBocker]

We might not get a character announcement but they might tall about other things. We still dont know alot about the game, so there is a lot to talk about.

Some info on adventure mode, Game modes, the customize feature, and online features would all be greatly appreciated

 

[Gune]

I hope there's more info on mario kart it looks amazing.
@bluepikmin I got that part but I still dont see it as a good Idea doesent sound very interesting it kinda makes me feel like hes going to be a kirby or jigglypuff clone.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Balloon fighter could be different on attacks though, his aerial attacks could have quick priority. So he could have a really good combo game in the air.

 

[Arcadenik]

I just realized that when we abbreviate Super Mario 3D World to SM3DW, it kinda look like "meow". Makes sense considering the new power-up.

 

[Morbi]

Yea I'm not expecting Smash news with this unless they take a good look at a particular game and it makes sense. They're basically just going to review what's coming. That would probably mean Sonic Lost World, SM3DW, Tropical Freeze, maybe Pokemon again, 3rd party releases, etc...

Really the only characters that would even be plausible to be revealed at all are a Mario Newcomer, Dixie or K.Rool, Sonic, a Pokemon character, Pac-Man, or Mii's.

I'm still not sold on the idea of Pac-Man or Miis based on the fact that Sakurai has already said that Namco isn't getting special treatment, and that Nintendo doesn't like the idea of using Mii's in a fighting game or violent environment. So quite honestly, i'm not sure how valid those two are. I could see Pac-Man, but i'm not sure it's 100% going to happen.

I hear this so much... how on god's green Earth is putting one of the MOST iconic video game characters of ALL TIME special treatment? Please try and rationalize that to me. Please. I want to know what logic leads you to that conclusion. If Sakurai said that Sega wasn't going to get any special treatment would you doubt Sonic? It is kind of like an exception to the rule. Nowhere does that statement make any assertions about character selection. We don't know what Sakurai is even talking about. We just assume he is referring to a character. I think he said that so that people wouldn't start speculating on multiple Namco reps or Soul Calibur reps. I don't think he means that a Namco character wouldn't make it in the game. He said, "SPECIAL TREATMENT". There is a huge difference. I am not just picking on you. EVERYONE says the same exact thing. It is one of the weirdest phenomenon. So many people making assumptions about that one statement that doesn't entail anything that they advocate.

Balloon fighter could be different on attacks though, his aerial attacks could have quick priority. So he could have a really good combo game in the air.

Balloon Fighter would still be awesome. I have wanted him since Melee. I have my doubts since Villager stole his "essence", but I wouldn't say that he is de-confirmed.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Surely the only character that's had "Special Treatment" is Snake, as a favour for a friend.

No, I don't get the Pac-Man bashing either. He's one of the most iconic video game characters of all times. If he's not considered legendary, who the hell could be considered legendary aside from Mario, Sonic and Megaman?

 

[Zhadgon]

Hey guys, what do you think about this roster? Is only 45 slots and only make three cuts.

.n_n.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Hey guys, what do you think about this roster? Is only 45 slots and only make three cuts.

.n_n.

I like how its organized. It's a neat roster.. Though I doubt Roy.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I just realized that when we abbreviate Super Mario 3D World to SM3DW, it kinda look like "meow". Makes sense considering the new power-up.

Spoiler

 

[Zhadgon]

I like how its organized. It's a neat roster.. Though I doubt Roy.

Yeah, I was debating between him or Chrom.
.n_n.

 

[Deleted member]

I actually am predicting we get some Smash news despite the game not being released over the holiday season.

Remember the last Direct, when it was supposedly going to be for titles released later in the year? Then suddenly, Luigi in Smash Bros.

 

[Morbi]

Hey guys, what do you think about this roster? Is only 45 slots and only make three cuts.

.n_n.

Seems like a fairly standard and safe roster. I don't necessarily think that there is anything wrong with it. My only problem is with four 3rd party characters. That is more of a personal bias though. I tried to rationalize how 3rd parties are going to work in the franchise. So don't get this wrong. I think the roster is great. I actually think that Lucario will return, and I don't think Shulk is going to be in the game. Those are the only two things I would change. However, I am betting against 3rd party characters. Perhaps somebody can analyze my logic and assess any discrepancies?

I do not think Sonic or Snake will return for Smash 4. Here is why... lets us evaluate how Sakurai treats 3rd party characters. There were no 3rd party characters in his original entries, Smash 64, and Super Smash Brothers Melee. The first game to include 3rd party characters was Brawl. One at the behest of a friend, another due to sheer fan popularity. This time around we already have Mega Man. He correlates to Sonic. He was added due to staggering fan request. We do not know any other 3rd party characters that are going to make it. Most people assert that Sonic and Snake will make a come-back. Others think that Pac-Man has the connections to secure his imminent roster slot. This leaves us with 4 characters.

That isn't so bad. It seems reasonable currently. However, we must look beyond. Smash X is what I will refer to the Smash after Smash 4 and 5. This gets into some subjective territory as Sakurai might not be the creative director on the next project. So a vision change might occur. However, for the sake of discuss, let us assume that Sakurai is on board for Smash X. This is where problems start to occur. Sakurai likes to treat 3rd parties as a special case. Sonic and Snake were both special. Now Mega Man is considerably special. How special would Smash X be if he continued the pattern and followed precedent (for arguments sake assume we get Pac- Man and Mega Man for Smash 4)? This enables the Smash universe to have 6 third party characters.

Obviously 6 3rd party characters is borderline ridiculous when we considering that Sakurai already believes that the roster is feasible currently. At this point, the 3rd party characters will literally be taking up Nintendo roster slots. This isn't at all what Sakurai would want. In fact, I think Pac-Man falls under the "Snake" rule. We might get him in Smash 4 only because of Namco's association and involvement. So Pac-Man in Snake are more like favors or obligations that Sakurai has. Mega Man and Sonic are the 3rd party characters that the fans WANTED, WANT, and WILL WANT. So it is very possible that he might just cut off obligations and keep the 3rd party characters at two per entry (meaning 2 in Smash 4 probably Sonic and Mega Man) and keep the two during Smash X.

It is this logic that leads me to believe that he will drop the 3rd party characters in Brawl in favor of two new 3rd party characters. That helps Smash feel fresh. If Sonic were to be revealed, he would probably be revealed in October. Pretend you are Sakurai. Would you want to take away from October by revealing Sonic after the launch of X and Y. Probably the biggest handheld game of the year? It doesn't seem logical. I guess he might. I wouldn't though.

I apologize for any errors. I just woke up and I was pressured to wrap that up quickly. I have to go help with something. So I didn't have time to fix everything. Just leave me your thoughts on 3rd party characters. I really want to read what people think. I feel like it is a subject that we skip over. We take the easy way out and assume that there is no way Sonic will leave. Or Pac-Man is guaranteed because Namco is co-developing. It is a touchy subject that tends to illicit menial and simple responses.

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