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Autumn ♫

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Oh god... XD
Sorry about that XD
Well,here it is
Cut Waddle Dee :troll:
I think K.Rool should be in.
Don't really like the idea of Toon Zelda, just keep it Tetra or switch to another character.
I don't think Dillion is very likely of a choice
If Konami keeps a character in Smash, it's going to be Snake, not Bomberman.
 

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Sadly, the characters of Mother never make it past higher-low tier...that's pretty sad. I wish they actually tried improving the characters, they tried a little too hard to make Lucas and Ness different than actually making them decent characters.
It's ironic, despite the differences between Lucas and Ness, they both suffer from the same problems. The limited range, the wonky recovery, and the unusually long release frames, just to name a few.
 

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Guys I was thinking about one of the new characters could be something like the Ice Climbers, why because Sakurai wanted in Brawl a tag team with Diddy and Dixie but now that Diddy is a Independent character maybe he could transfer his idea to another pair of characters, which characters would be candidates for this idea?
Lolo and Lala
Donbe and Hikari
Kat and Ana
Dion, Max and Jack (Marvelous)
Petey Piranha and King Boo
Baby Mario and Baby Luigi
I mean it would be interesting especially because Sakurai likes to implement ideas from the past that didn´t make it first.
.n_n.
 

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Guys I was thinking about one of the new characters could be something like the Ice Climbers, why because Sakurai wanted in Brawl a tag team with Diddy and Dixie but now that Diddy is a Independent character maybe he could transfer his idea to another pair of characters, which characters would be candidates for this idea?
Lolo and Lala
Donbe and Hikari
Kat and Ana
Dion, Max and Jack (Marvelous)
Petey Piranha and King Boo
Baby Mario and Baby Luigi
I mean it would be interesting especially because Sakurai likes to implement ideas from the past that didn´t make it first.
.n_n.
Well, seeing how he's having problems with adding Ice Climber's, I son't think we will get another one.
 

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It's ironic, despite the differences between Lucas and Ness, they both suffer from the same problems. The limited range, the wonky recovery, and the unusually long release frames, just to name a few.
My point exactly, they spent so much time making them different without fixing the problems that Ness already had as a character. Hopefully that's not the case this time around.
 

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Well, seeing how he's having problems with adding Ice Climber's, I son't think we will get another one.
I know he's getting trouble with Ice Climbers but maybe once the team figure out how to make them work, Sakurai will get back to the idea and implement it this time and probably it will be different as to how the Ice Climbers, Pokemon Trainer play.
.n_n.
 

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My point exactly, they spent so much time making them different without fixing the problems that Ness already had as a character. Hopefully that's not the case this time around.
At least fixing the problem with the abnormally long grab release would be a step forward, because it's stupid that it's there to begin with when all the other characters don't have that. It's the reason why characters like Marth and Donkey Kong are hard counters towards both of them, because Ness and Lucas can easily be 0-death via grab releases.
 

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Really, if Lucas didn't have so many grab releases on him he would be fine. Although despite Marth having a grab release on Lucas I never had to much of an issue vs him but Donkey Kong and Snake were hard to beat.
 

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Would you say the same for Shiek?
No because Sheik shares 2 moves with Zelda and she is interchangeable. Being able to change at will is a completely different concept.
Guys I was thinking about one of the new characters could be something like the Ice Climbers, why because Sakurai wanted in Brawl a tag team with Diddy and Dixie but now that Diddy is a Independent character maybe he could transfer his idea to another pair of characters, which characters would be candidates for this idea?
Lolo and Lala
Donbe and Hikari
Kat and Ana
Dion, Max and Jack (Marvelous)
Petey Piranha and King Boo
Baby Mario and Baby Luigi
I mean it would be interesting especially because Sakurai likes to implement ideas from the past that didn´t make it first.
.n_n.
Way to leave out Plusle & Minun....

Oh god... XD
Sorry about that XD
Well,here it is
Bomberman equals like. But, he'd only get in if both third-parties were cut for being one offs

Well, Metroid doesn't have a super-diverse cast of recurring characters to work with, so it's understandable...or has been at least until Brawl, I don't think it's as reasonable as it is now...Mother on the other hand does have a very colorful cast of characters that are genuinely liked, namely the main protagonists of the games, Ninten, Ness, and Lucas. Lucas represents the japanese only side of the Mother franchise, and Ness represents the game of the franchise that made it to an international release, even if it was the title in the middle.
The characters for a franchise are represented based off what characters are necessary. If Mother had more necessary characters than Star Fox, the series would get more than Star Fox.

As for Ninten he could very well make 3 out of Mother's representation. If it weren't for the hat he'd be a shoe-in and redesigning characters that are so old is no issue. And While Mother 1 is known for having a few PSI abilities unique to it, my only concern for Ninten is that Mother 2 basically reboots A LOT of things from Mother 1 including characters. Meaning that representing Mother 1 may not be entirely necessary to Sakurai, but who knows.
 
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Guys I was thinking about one of the new characters could be something like the Ice Climbers, why because Sakurai wanted in Brawl a tag team with Diddy and Dixie but now that Diddy is a Independent character maybe he could transfer his idea to another pair of characters, which characters would be candidates for this idea?
Lolo and Lala
Donbe and Hikari
Kat and Ana
Dion, Max and Jack (Marvelous)
Petey Piranha and King Boo
Baby Mario and Baby Luigi
I mean it would be interesting especially because Sakurai likes to implement ideas from the past that didn´t make it first.
.n_n.
What would be interesting is if there was a triple team of Andy, Sami, and Max

Kind of like the PKMN Trainer but done slightly different, to make them unique
 

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You know King K. Rool is unique and all, but there's no way Sakurai would pick him over this guy!!!:
 

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Dude, TONS of people don't want Pac-Man, but many believe he is likely due to Namco's inclusion in Smash 4.
It's a prediction thread after all.
Really? Haha, I haven't looked around here all that much, as I've just joined here a few days ago. But from what I've seen, people seem to like him. Well I guess I'm not the only one!

How does everyone make these rosters? Is there a certain program or website that would allow me to do this?
 

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Really? Haha, I haven't looked around here all that much, as I've just joined here a few days ago. But from what I've seen, people seem to like him. Well I guess I'm not the only one!

How does everyone make these rosters? Is there a certain program or website that would allow me to do this?
In the general discussion part of the Smash 4 forums there's a Roster Maker program, it's super easy to use.

Pac-Man really is the love him or hate him character, it's rare that people are neutral towards him.
 

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Really? Haha, I haven't looked around here all that much, as I've just joined here a few days ago. But from what I've seen, people seem to like him. Well I guess I'm not the only one!

How does everyone make these rosters? Is there a certain program or website that would allow me to do this?
Some people use the roster maker that Wariofan1 mentioned about. Others may use an image editor instead, if the roster maker lacks any character icons that they'd prefer to use. Likewise, some people may want their character icons to look larger than what the roster maker uses.
 

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Been starting to play Pikmin 3, it felt a little disappointing for some odd reason. Maybe I miss treasure collecting. Anyways, how would you feel if Alph made it into the roster.
It'd feel a bit odd to make a semi clone like him but I guess it wouldn't be that bad, after all he could represent Rock and Winged pikmin well and Rock's are one of my favorite types now =P
 

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Been starting to play Pikmin 3, it felt a little disappointing for some odd reason. Maybe I miss treasure collecting. Anyways, how would you feel if Alph made it into the roster.
Nah, I'm fine with Olimar as the sole rep for Pikmin. Maybe in the next Smash or so they could get another rep
 

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Been starting to play Pikmin 3, it felt a little disappointing for some odd reason. Maybe I miss treasure collecting. Anyways, how would you feel if Alph made it into the roster.
I wrote a little write up some time ago (before Pikmin 3) about how I feel if we get a new Pikmin fighter. I personally would prefer Alph, however, Brittany and Charlie definitely stand out more compared to Olimar (especially Charlie since he looks more bulkier -- I could imagine him being more sluggish but powerful). I'm not sure if being aesthetically unique is a deciding factor (if we do get another Captain) but it's not like I'm expecting a new Captain. However, I'd love to see another ammo user in Smash (doesn't have to be from Pikmin). In short, I would be okay with Alph.

Since Olimar’s reveal, I’ve been meaning to make a little write up explaining how I feel and whatnot. I'm very glad he got revealed very early. Recentness is never a strong argument, and besides, Olimar is in Pikmin 3 anyway so that argument = BS.

I’m actually a silent Pikmin 3 newcomer supporter (particularly for Alph). Now, I know that some people have speculated before that the inclusion of a Pikmin 3 captain will introduce two new Pikmin (Rock and Winged) in their moveset, and they just stop at that. Nothing more, nothing less; the new captain will most likely be semi-clone and use two new Pikmin because, well, Olimar can’t use the new Pikmin (which isn't exactly true). I think some people have a hard time justifying a new captain’s inclusion since one of the major arguments for the new character revolves around the inclusion of a measly two Pikmin. And I agree; Rock Pikmin seem a little bit redundant when we have Purple. Winged Pikmin could make up for a new recovery or something, however, one new Pikmin doesn't do justice for me.

You’re probably asking why I support Alph then. I feel as though one of the reasons Sakurai might add Alph (or whoever) is because of how the captain could be an easy semi-clone addition, if he feels the need to spice up the roster. Another reason is that I feel Sakurai might want to try something innovative, something that Olimar cannot necessarily do; he’ll give the captain some redeeming moves/properties that makes the captain stick out. This could range from:

- Utilizing Pikmin in a different way/giving them different properties. Examples: trajectory, power, priority/speed, start up/end lag, dismissing Pikmin, new Pikmin types, etc.
- Incorporating items: spaceship parts [and tools like the the KopPad], treasures, fruit (lol kinda lame I know, though the Cupid's Grenade’s effect might work), enemies, power-ups such as: Ultra-Spicy Spray (yes, Olimar can use Sprays too. But if not in Olimar’s moveset, why let the Sprays go to waste?). I don’t know what items are available in Pikmin 3 (excluding the Spicy Spray), hopefully there’s more.

For example, for enemies, a pipe dream of mine would be if Louie is playable and has a moveset the revolves around summoning/attacking with insect-like enemies, obviously distinguishing himself from Olimar.

Spaceship parts/treasures, I feel, are best suited for Olimar’s moveset (though obviously not going to happen). I mean imagine if he uses these bad boys in means of attacks:

Chronos Reactor

Ship Log: "This reactor changes permutations in the space-time continuum into pure energy... Basically, it's like a big rubber band."

Nova Blaster


Ship Log: "This is a weapon of such incredible destructive force that it can blast stars into tiny pieces... It has a strange allure."

Rocket Fist



Watch out, DK! There's someone else who has huge, powerful fists! :laugh:


Personally, I'd like the Pikmin newcomer (preferably Alph) to not use Pikmin in his moveset, though I do believe that Pikmin themselves are almost like the face of the series, with Olimar being a close second (since he's in all installments and whatnot). With that being said, I think Pikmin are iconic to the captains, and I'm not expecting them to be absent in a new captain's moveset. I think Olimar's archetype is unique, almost being like a fighter that uses ammo, and I'd like to see another ammo user, not necessarily from Pikmin though (but Alph, for example, would probably be easier to implant).

I'm not saying that a new captain is guaranteed. However, the possibility is still up in the air (though I'm not expecting one). I know my ideas might seem crazy, but I'm just trying to come up with some ways to help de-clone a Pikmin newcomer or ways in order to make him more unique. :laugh:

So yeah, just my two cents.
 

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So I made a roster. It's not fully updated with all confirmed characters yet so far, but what do you think?

Please tell me if I missed any veterans, since this one is cut-free.
 
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