Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[3Bismyname]

what works for Little Mac over someone like Urban Champion though is that Punch out is a WAY bigger series by comparison. admittedly he's not as interesting as a lot of other contenders but name power should hold some weight. as for Excitebiker... I mean when the entirety of you're character is being a racer with no means of attack, I just don't see him working. or being talked about seriously as a contender by Sakurai

 

[?????????????]

I think Takamaru works well enough for a retro rep still. Although he cameo'd in Samurai Warriors III, there's still more that could be done with him. He hasn't had his OWN game since the first Nazo no Murasamejou, so the series hasn't been revived.

 

[Michael Blaine]

Didn't Sakurai say in an interview that he wants to revive some old franchise with a brand new game after Smash 4?

I mean I guess it's not a requirement to include the character in Smash 4, but the publicity you'd get from it would surely help the game sell well. Just look at what happened with Pit and Uprising.

I think the problem is just who?

Takamaru can't really be revived because of Samurai Warriors.
Mach Rider would be awesome but I doubt it would work in Smash Bros. unless he takes off the bike.
Balloon Fighter would be awesome too but I think we all know how unlikely that is at this point.
Duck Hunt Dog works but I doubt it because of animal abuse issues that would most certainly arrive from punching a dog, not to mention recording the sound effects of a dog getting hurt would be a massive no-no from Nintendo.
Urban Champion has been dismissed for not doing much, and I predict a lot of rage if he were to get a spot instead of Little Mac.

That pretty much leaves the Devil World Devil and Bubbles from Clu Clu Land.

Edit: Oh, and Sukapon.

lol

 

[Jaedrik]

Real would mean you're a unit during REAL gameplay and not a tutorial.

We get it, she shows her face a lot. She's still not a lord or a good selling point for Smash.

Having several minor roles doesn't necessarily make one major role. Story wise, gameplay wise, and in terms of being well known she is a minor character at least compared to our heroes and main characters, I still say Sakurai is interested in representing the heroes and main characters of Fire Emblem and the characters that would sell both Smash and Fire Emblem. I believe he is also interested in the most desired characters which are Roy & Chrom. I acknowledge your points, but I still don't think this is enough to get her in over our main heroes. You can make points, but we don't have to agree that they are good ones. Anna has always had this role, yet I haven't seen her considered for Super Smash Bros. I don't think this small promotion she got in Awakening really helps her as much as one might think. I don't think THIS is the thing that instantly would sway Sakurai's opinion on Anna.

I'll say it again, I think main heroes/lords are better choices, more deserving, and would both sell games as well as please fans more than Anna would.

Then you are patently wrong, she is used in 'REAL' gameplay in Awakening, both as the character you can control of the Trickster class (just like Chrom and the other folks), and as a Merchant NPC when there's a Risen spawned on a Special Merchant tile (there's far more than one Anna, and the Anna character in Smash would be like the Yoshi as a representative).
In the Fire Emblem fandom (Serenes Forest, Japan, the FE folks here), Anna is generally recognized for her mascothood, and she is quite a charming character, I guarantee that she has that element of Sakurai's criteria of attracting people to Smash, and to future Fire Emblem titles, it's a non-issue. People will identify more often in the future with a mascot than a Lord from a previous game if the lord's personality is incredibly dull, and that Chrom's is remarkably so. I say this as a lover of literature, however insignificant my word is.
As for the popularity claim, I'll grant that she's not particularly popular, but if I'm any judge of an attractive character, I'd say she's easy to warm up to, but then again this is not exactly the most important of Sakurai's criteria out of the four, especially considering his later interview with Polygon of what is important in a character, and the fact that he has chosen characters out of the blue. Another non-issue.
Story impact in games of a series often correlates to sales for Smash games, but the relationship is not causal at all, rather, it is the characters that sell Smash, and often they generate interest through story, but the interest they generate is just as much about their personality and traits, and I can guarantee that anyone who gains this through other methods, such as Anna, is just as well off as one who gains it through the traditional methods, such as Chrom, and in this respect I say Anna can stand up to the others, especially with her rich history and, heh, at least I think, interesting personality and traits. Heck, look at now, the favorability Anna has shown recently is a sign she's gaining interest in the fans, the fact that we're here and have some weight is enough.
Where gameplay is concerned, a unit or character does not make the gameplay at all, it's the mechanics which are the underlying force of gameplay, and Anna has the lore excuse to use to represent whatever mechanic from Fire Emblem Sakurai may want.
And for the pattern and precedent set forth by the previous games, the fact that we have a small data set without a serious contender that's not a Lord is the only reason it's stayed Lord exclusive, not because Sakurai and IS chose Lords, because that they have, but that simple fact does nothing to assure the future.
We may predict Sakurai's movement, but I say your estimation of Sakurai and IS is not so accurate, but that is mostly in the realm of obscurity, and on this point I can say I respect your opinion.
Time will ultimately tell, and if Anna does not tango with Lords this time, she will next time, as her importance can only grow as her roles amount.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Mach Rider off of his bike could work, but I don't see Sakurai taking that road when he dropped the character completely from Melee because he couldn't get the bike working. My favorite choice would still be Sukapon despite Sakurai's hate for the poor guy, but Takamaru could still work.

 

[FalKoopa]

Mach Rider off of his bike could work, but I don't see Sakurai taking that road when he dropped the character completely from Melee because he couldn't get the bike working. My favorite choice would still be Sukapon despite Sakurai's hate for the poor guy, but Takamaru could still work.

Actually, it was the Excitebike Rider.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Actually, it was the Excitebike Rider.

Is there any big difference? I'm not really in the know about the Riders.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Is there any big difference? I'm not really in the know about the Riders.

Excitebike Rider is a rider who simply races other riders.

Mach Rider is a badass bounty hunter with F-Zero like gameplay.

 

[MSmariosonic]

You're too big!

Don't start this again...

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Excitebike Rider is a rider who simply races other riders.

Mach Rider is a badass bounty hunter with F-Zero like gameplay.

But we already have Captain Falcon for that, so what's the point of bringing in Mach Rider?

 

[New_Dumal]

I was trying to make my first roster after E3 and... stuck with Pokemon series.
I really don't think Lucario will return, Mewtwo will return and retake his place.
But who should be the NEWCOMER ? N ? Would be nice another trainer ...

 

[Cobalsh]

For New_Dumal, keep Lucario and Mewtwo, along with Blaziken, Pikachu, Jigglypuff and Pokémon Trainer. Six reps ain't bad, especially for the Pokémon series.
Also, Wariofan's avatar looks like a Geonosian if you look like it at an angle.

 

[YoshiandToad]

I was trying to make my first roster after E3 and... stuck with Pokemon series.
I really don't think Lucario will return, Mewtwo will return and retake his place.
But who should be the NEWCOMER ? N ? Would be nice another trainer ...

The most popular option amongst the members of this board is:
Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Trainer(with same Pokemon) and Lucario.

Newcomer wise there's a few people would like to get in:

1st Gen: Meowth and Eevee have been brought up, but are generally seen as having missed the boat.
2nd Gen: Johto Trainer occasionally gets brought up. Not a popular choice. Pichu as DLC seems accepted, but not in the main roster.
3rd Gen: Blaziken also has a support thread, but some also have asked for May with a trainer style team. Not a popular choice though.
4th Gen: Lucario or bust. Sinnoh Trainer is again; brought up, but not a popular pick.
5th Gen: Zoroark and Genesect are the most debated mons of the 5th Gen, but N has been suggested on occasion and apparently Victini had a strong fan following at one point in the past.

So I guess it depends on what you're after.
If you want a roster that a lot of people will agree with; just go with Smash vets.

If you want to branch out with some more interesting suggestions, go for it by all means, but don't expect everyone to agree with your picks.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Alright, it's about fifteen minutes until classes start, good morning all I hope you slept well. I'm just quickly dropping in since I have something to discuss that caught my eyes recently...that the hole that people speculate Ridley breaks through, also adding on to GRC's theory, was never inflicted and actually part of the actual stage.

This of course was our first picture of the Pyrosphere, showing the first hole in the wall, and of course, there's no sign of the second hole which brings people to speculate Ridley busting through the wall. But the question is, where is said second hole placed?

Above and to the left of the first hole, too high up to the fact that the actual camera of the first picture cuts out the second hole's existence, the second snapshot (Featuring Link and Kirby) not being able to show any hole thanks to being on an awkward angle. In short, this supposed "Stage Hazard Hole" was always there to begin with, and I think we can safely assume GRC's theory of the hole being man-made is in indeed truth.

Make the replies quick, I have to be gone in like five minutes.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I'm pretty sure the "newer" hole is actually where that lava is coming from in that 1st screenshot.

Edit: Nevermind.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Alright, it's about fifteen minutes until classes start, good morning all I hope you slept well. I'm just quickly dropping in since I have something to discuss that caught my eyes recently...that the hole that people speculate Ridley breaks through, also adding on to GRC's theory, was never inflicted and actually part of the actual stage.

This of course was our first picture of the Pyrosphere, showing the first hole in the wall, and of course, there's no sign of the second hole which brings people to speculate Ridley busting through the wall. But the question is, where is said second hole placed?

Above and to the left of the first hole, too high up to the fact that the actual camera of the first picture cuts out the second hole's existence, the second snapshot (Featuring Link and Kirby) not being able to show any hole thanks to being on an awkward angle. In short, this supposed "Stage Hazard Hole" was always there to begin with, and I think we can safely assume GRC's theory of the hole being man-made is in indeed truth.

Make the replies quick, I have to be gone in like five minutes.

Look whos late we already disguessed this

 

[Hotfeet444]

Look whos late we already disguessed this

Blame not being on often thanks to College.

Speaking of College, Class is about to start, cheers!

 

[BluePikmin11]

I think Anna is a "fan service" character for us FE fans if Sakurai decides to have someone different other than Chrom.

 

[Oddyesy]

If Isaac showed up there would be a N3ON-sized hole in my wall from where I ran through to be first in line for the game.
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If you ever got there before me I would stab you to be in front.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I'll probably do the same if any of these characters happen:
-Prince Sable.
-Anna.
-Geno.
-Sora.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Blame not being on often thanks to College.

Speaking of College, Class is about to start, cheers!

I know how you feel. Lol

I'm waiting for my classes to start.

 

[Arcadenik]

As far as Sakurai is concerned, Kid Icarus only had one game. Myths and Monsters not being released in Japan caused it pretty much get ignored in both Brawl and Uprising.

The GB sequel's logo was used on the stage selection screen and there was one sticker from that game. Oh, and Pit got the laurel crown in the GB sequel.

Myths and Monsters wasn't released in Japan? I didn't know that.

It was released in Japan for the first time last year.

Didn't Sakurai say in an interview that he wants to revive some old franchise with a brand new game after Smash 4?

I mean I guess it's not a requirement to include the character in Smash 4, but the publicity you'd get from it would surely help the game sell well. Just look at what happened with Pit and Uprising.

I think the problem is just who?

Takamaru can't really be revived because of Samurai Warriors.
Mach Rider would be awesome but I doubt it would work in Smash Bros. unless he takes off the bike.
Balloon Fighter would be awesome too but I think we all know how unlikely that is at this point.
Duck Hunt Dog works but I doubt it because of animal abuse issues that would most certainly arrive from punching a dog, not to mention recording the sound effects of a dog getting hurt would be a massive no-no from Nintendo.
Urban Champion has been dismissed for not doing much, and I predict a lot of rage if he were to get a spot instead of Little Mac.

That pretty much leaves the Devil World Devil and Bubbles from Clu Clu Land.

Edit: Oh, and Sukapon.

They all could work.

Problem is, Balloon Fighter most likely is out since Villager stole the one thing that made Balloon Fighter unique - the balloons. Sakurai also said Balloon Fighter would be useless without his balloons. Now he has nothing to offer, thanks to Villager.

Sakurai already said Urban Champion wouldn't get in Melee because he doesn't offer anything unique beyond punching. Let's be honest, his game sucked. Little Mac may have nothing else other than punches but at least he can punch in many different ways. And Punch-Out!! is popular and always will be popular.

Sakurai also said Bubbles wouldn't get in Melee because Bubbles doesn't really fight. I know it sounds hypocritical but why would he say that? Maybe it's because Bubbles cannot stop moving and turning in her game so how would she fight if she cannot stay still?

The Devil from Devil World is not the main character of the game. Tamagon is the protagonist but he lacks limbs. The Devil doesn't really do anything beyond making the stage scroll in random directions. Sure, he could work if Sakurai tried but I doubt a villain is going to get in over the protagonist.

And Sukapon? Sakurai said not to expect him in future Smash games. I don't know his reasoning but that's what he said.

That leaves us with Takamaru, Mach Rider, and Duck Hunt Dog as possible retro newcomers from the NES era. Also, that reasoning about animal abuse issues (Duck Hunt Dog) is bogus. Smash apparently encourages child abuse (Ness, Lucas, Ice Climbers) and violence against women (Peach, Zelda).

 

[Deleted member]

But we already have Captain Falcon for that, so what's the point of bringing in Mach Rider?

a. Mach Rider is NOT a bounty hunter like what Swamp said; Mach is a survivor of an apocalyptic future overrun by an evil alien force who searches for other survivors to form a resistance and kills the Quadrunner aliens that get in the way by either ramming them into rocks or oil drums or by shooting them with the machine guns on the Mach Bike.

b. Mach Rider would not be like Falcon in playstyle. Falcon fights like a tokusatsu hero; Mach would fight like a badass biker. Think of like Ghost Rider in UMvC3 or Lobo in Injustice.

c. Similar in gameplay means like what the original Kid Icarus was to the original Metroid and what Mysterious Murasame Castle is to the original Legend of Zelda, except that Mach Rider predates F-Zero from a system standpoint.

 

[Xhampi]

I would like to see a fight between Wario and Mach Rider.

Whacky Biker VS Badass Biker on a Excite Bike stage.

 

[YoshiandToad]

That leaves us with Takamaru, Mach Rider, and Duck Hunt Dog as possible retro newcomers from the NES era. Also, that reasoning about animal abuse issues (Duck Hunt Dog) is bogus. Smash apparently encourages child abuse (Ness, Lucas, Ice Climbers) and violence against women (Peach, Zelda).

Let us not also forget animal abuse is already a thing in Smash: Fox, Falco, Wolf, Diddy, DK as well as Pikachu, Squirtle, Charizard, Ivysaur, Lucario, Yoshi(okay all of these are fictional species, but still).

Punching a cartoon dog in the face isn't really the same issue as punching a Nintendog in the face.

 

[Arcadenik]

Let us not also forget animal abuse is already a thing in Smash: Fox, Falco, Wolf, Diddy, DK as well as Pikachu, Squirtle, Charizard, Ivysaur, Lucario, Yoshi(okay all of these are fictional species, but still).

Punching a cartoon dog in the face isn't really the same issue as punching a Nintendog in the face.

Oh, that's not animal abuse. That's fursecution.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Unless Nintendog was leaking blood when atacked (Which Nintendo wouldn't do anyways), there's no real problem with Nintendog. The attacks are pretty quick Smash Bros, so they won't depict of animal abuse.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

a. Mach Rider is NOT a bounty hunter like what Swamp said; Mach is a survivor of an apocalyptic future overrun by an evil alien force who searches for other survivors to form a resistance and kills the Quadrunner aliens that get in the way by either ramming them into rocks or oil drums or by shooting them with the machine guns on the Mach Bike.

b. Mach Rider would not be like Falcon in playstyle. Falcon fights like a tokusatsu hero; Mach would fight like a badass biker. Think of like Ghost Rider in UMvC3 or Lobo in Injustice.

c. Similar in gameplay means like what the original Kid Icarus was to the original Metroid and what Mysterious Murasame Castle is to the original Legend of Zelda, except that Mach Rider predates F-Zero from a system standpoint.

Well, that gives me a bit more insight.

 

[Arcanir]

Unless Nintendog was leaking blood when atacked (Which Nintendo wouldn't do anyways), there's no real problem with Nintendog. The attacks are pretty quick Smash Bros, so they won't depict of animal abuse.

Tell that to PETA.

 

[Deleted member]

Nintendog ain't happening.

 

[BluePikmin11]

If not Nintendog, Rhythm Heaven character! Marshal is the most recognizable to me.

 

[Deleted member]

I've said it before, I'll say it again; Marshal is among the worst ideas for a RH character.


Rhythm Monkey or bust.

 

[Xhampi]

Animal crossing :
-Trophies in Melee
-Stage in Brawl
-Playable character in SSB4

Nintendogs :
-Assist Trophy in Brawl
-Stage in SSB4
-Playable Character in SSB5 ?

The Villager and Nintendogs :
-Decomfirmed at the same time in Brawl.
-The Villager is a background character in Brawl, the Nintendogs are background characters in SSB4.

It's a conspiracy, A CONSPIRACY !!!

 

[BluePikmin11]

Karate Joe is a good alternative, but I don't like his design.

 

[Xhampi]

Regardless of whoever could be the Rhythm Heaven character, I want the Seals to appear in the game, even if it's in the Ice Climbers Stage =3

 

[Starbound]

They all could work.
Sakurai also said Bubbles wouldn't get in Melee because Bubbles doesn't really fight. I know it sounds hypocritical but why would he say that? Maybe it's because Bubbles cannot stop moving and turning in her game so how would she fight if she cannot stay still?

Wii Fit Trainer and Villager don't fight either.

 

[Chandeelure]

Oh god,I need this in smash.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Does anyone know that one video with the final boss of Return to Dream Land but with voices? It was so awesome I was in tears of laughter.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Does anyone know that one video with the final boss of Return to Dream Land but with voices? It was so awesome I was in tears of laughter.

Does it involve Game Grumps, I would normally crack up when watching them.

 

[Diddy Kong]

It involved high screeches in a language I couldn't understand, but it was so fitting... And so ****ing awesome.