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Well to be more specific, games on the Wii, DS, 3DS, and very very early Wii U.

But if you're "guesting" that Ike isn't returning there is no reason to see Ness, Lucas, R.O.B., Captain Falcon, Mr. Game and Watch, Ice Climbers, and Mega Man. But we already know Mega Man is going to be in the game.
So please don't make us go through the entire recency argument again.

- Mr. Game and Watch, Ice Climbers, and R.O.B. are retro character
- Mega Man already announce (got in because his fan base)
- Ness was part of the original 12
- Lucas is the most recent mother/earthbound character in the series

-the reason i said ike probably wont return because ssb4 going be base off wii,ds,3ds,wiiu (just like in brawl gba,ds,gcn,wii)

1. ike got in because of 2 games "FIRE EMBLEM RADIANT DAWN (WII) & FIRE EMBLEM PATH OF RADIANT (GCN)" both of this games came before brawl.
 

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Guys here is my new roster, want to spice it up with some decisions, so yeah, pretty sure it will not happen but at least one can dream right XD.



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  1. No Zelda character will get in over Toon Link. Toon Link is more important
  2. Did BluePikmin11 tell you to add Harry? :rotfl:
  3. All of your Pokemon are Gen 1. You removed Lucario for Mewtwo. Why on earth would Sakurai make the exact same mistake as last time, but just flip it around?
  4. Too many third-parties
  5. Replace Mach Rider with Takamaru
  6. I don't see Shulk happening.
  7. Why on earth would Sakurai remove Wolf and Lucas for Harry!?
SSB4 is going be base off games that came after brawl.... (so im guesting ike wont return)


I'm going to be killed for this, but I think Jigglypuff should be replaced by Lucario.
I fail to see even the slightest problem with that statement :ohwell:
 

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  1. No Zelda character will get in over Toon Link. Toon Link is more important
  2. Did BluePikmin11 tell you to add Harry? :rotfl:
  3. All of your Pokemon are Gen 1. You removed Lucario for Mewtwo. Why on earth would Sakurai make the exact same mistake as last time, but just flip it around?
  4. Too many third-parties
  5. Replace Mach Rider with Takamaru
  6. I don't see Shulk happening.
  7. Why on earth would Sakurai remove Wolf and Lucas for Harry!?



I fail to see even the slightest problem with that statement :ohwell:

For some reason 9/10 rosters have Shulk as a playable character...
 

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  1. No Zelda character will get in over Toon Link. Toon Link is more important
  2. Did BluePikmin11 tell you to add Harry? :rotfl:
  3. All of your Pokemon are Gen 1. You removed Lucario for Mewtwo. Why on earth would Sakurai make the exact same mistake as last time, but just flip it around?
  4. Too many third-parties
  5. Replace Mach Rider with Takamaru
  6. I don't see Shulk happening.
  7. Why on earth would Sakurai remove Wolf and Lucas for Harry!?
the reason i said ike probably wont return because ssb4 going be base of wii,wiiu,3ds,ds (just like they did in brawl wii,gcn,gba,ds)
the two game ike starred in was fire emblem path of radiant (gcn) and fire emblem radiant dawn (wii) both of this games came before brawl.
 

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- Mr. Game and Watch, Ice Climbers, and R.O.B. are retro character
- Mega Man already announce (got in because his fan base)
- Ness was part of the original 12
- Lucas is the most recent mother/earthbound character in the series

-the reason i said ike probably wont return because ssb4 going be base off wii,ds,3ds,wiiu (just like in brawl gba,ds,gcn,wii)

1. ike got in because of 2 games "FIRE EMBLEM RADIANT DAWN (WII) & FIRE EMBLEM PATH OF RADIANT (GCN)" both of this games came before brawl.
And what about folks like Meta Knight, Olimar, and Wario? They all had games that came before Brawl. Are we kicking them out too simply for that reason? If anything, your statement is contradictory, seeing how you're saying SSB4 will add Wii, DS, 3DS and Wii U characters when Ike was in a Wii game himself.

I doubt they're getting rid of Ike unless they absolutely have to.
 

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- Mr. Game and Watch, Ice Climbers, and R.O.B. are retro character
- Mega Man already announce (got in because his fan base) So?
- Ness was part of the original 12 So?
- Lucas is the most recent mother/earthbound character in the series So?
-the reason i said ike probably wont return because ssb4 going be base off wii,ds,3ds,wiiu (just like in brawl gba,ds,gcn,wii)
Why do ANY of these things matter? Super Smash Brothers is going to base a lot of stuff off of Wii, DS, and 3DS, but what you seem to be ignorantly forgetting is that Super Smash Brothers over all is going to be based off the greatest Nintendo history and characters, regardless of when they came out or what Smash game they were in. Did I mention Alph is more recent than Olimar. Well, Sakurai confirmed a Pikmin character and it sure as hell wasn't Alph.
 

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I think what BlazeMonkey is trying to say is that they will place more influence on the new games between Brawl and Smash4, like they did between Melee and Brawl.
 

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Personally I feel the 5 rep all veterans idea for pokemon is fine. BUT MARIO HAS ONLY 4 REPS AND POKEMON HAS 5! As far as I'm concerned Mario has 8 reps. Yoshi, Wario, and DK's history is directly part of Mario's history even though they have their own franchises. Mario is such an all encompassing series and I think it has a fair amount of representation. But sure... Add bowser Jr. if you want, I'd be fine with that.
 

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For some reason 9/10 rosters have Shulk as a playable character...
For some reason indeed.

I'm one of the few people here that still find the idea of Shulk unattractive in Smash Bros. I don't care how much publicity he his game has, he's only from one game. A one-off character doesn't warrant a spot, in my opinion. That said, Ness and Lucas wouldn't have been my first choice as characters, but they've either been around or been considered since pre-Melee, so I'd like to consider them the exception. Unless I'm mistaken, no other character made an appearance in Brawl without multiple appearances as well.

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Well, if you count being playable in Melee as an appearance, anyway.

I just find that the argument of Shulk and his niche of "Rainfall Representative/Wii-era Representative" seems too forced a concept to really feel like he deserves a spot in Smash Bros. when practically the entire roster makes Shulk look infant in terms of series seniority.
 

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That said, Ness and Lucas wouldn't have been my first choice as characters, but they've either been around or been considered since pre-Melee, so I'd like to consider them the exception. Unless I'm mistaken, no other character made an appearance in Brawl without multiple appearances as well.
Sheik and Ice Climbers.
 

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Fire Emblem characters have the East vs West theme going on. East: Marth and Roy. West: Ike and Lyn. Realisically, I could replace Lyn with Chrom though. I also had East vs West in mind with deciding Takamaru and Mach Rider. Blastoise and Charizard.. yeah, I would wish. Kinda went abroad with that, but hey, it's less work than also having to make Ivysaur playable. So cuts are only Squirtle and Ivysaur in the end.
 

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Two things: Charizard/Blastoise ACTUALLY happening... Haha no.
Roy and Lyn ACTUALLY happening... Haha no.
Other then that there's not that much else to say. It's not very likely at all but it's good I guess :p
Who knows? They might actually make a slot for Venasaur, Blastoise, and Charizard. Their final smash would be that Mega Evolution thing. I mean, essentially they did that with Pokemon Trainer. 3 separate Pokemon in one slot. There wouldn't be much of a difference. They would just use up 3 roster slots instead of 1. They would mostly retain the same moves. (Ivy would play like Venasaur and Squirtle like Blastoise). They would just need to add a down special for each of them. In that case, they could incorporate Blastoise's cannons.
 

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Roy is Smashes Lord, I was so bummed to know they cut him. It's taken FIVE DAMN YEARS for a cloning engine to mend this in Project M, I do NOT want that happening again. DX
And yeah................HECTOR VS. IKE..............UNIVERSE CAN'T HANDLE THIS!!!!!!!!
 

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We're not getting 50 characters though, so if I'd cut any characters they'd be:

Toon Link, Lyn / Roy, Snake, Mach Rider, Blastoise & Charizard (old Pokémon Trainer back), and Paper Mario. 44 characters total. And I think that's still a lot.
 

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I love Hector and Lyn enough to not expect them to even be mentioned in the game. It already happened with Lyn in Brawl and that kind of dream shattering is something I don't want to experience again.
 

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BUT................HECTOR!
Honestly, the series needs reps. The most logical choice is simply maintaining Ike and Marth, adding Chrom, and MAYBE Lucina. I can't imagine Roy etc making it in, but that would be pretty damn nice, and would pay some homage to a golden age in Handheld Gaming. Of course, as I said, it's really not plausible. :/
 

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  1. No Zelda character will get in over Toon Link. Toon Link is more important
  2. Did BluePikmin11 tell you to add Harry? :rotfl:
  3. All of your Pokemon are Gen 1. You removed Lucario for Mewtwo. Why on earth would Sakurai make the exact same mistake as last time, but just flip it around?
  4. Too many third-parties
  5. Replace Mach Rider with Takamaru
  6. I don't see Shulk happening.
  7. Why on earth would Sakurai remove Wolf and Lucas for Harry!?
1. I add Tingle because of the simple reason that even if Toon Link will get again in Smash he will probably retain his moveset and will not receive the same treatment as Luigi to be more different than his counterpart, making him again a clone and I choose Tingle for the simple reason that he has starred his own games and appeared in the most recent games of Zelda.

2. Nope is personal preference.:cool:

3. You say mistake, I say "Lucario can su.... my ......" (by the way I love Lucario, he is one of my favorite pokemon but if I add one more pokemon rep it will unbalance the whole roster especially because it will have over representation, more slots than Mario and Zelda series) And I think Mewtwo is getting more importance this time around than Lucario, I don´t see they will cut PKM Trainer or Jigglypuff (for the simple reason of the gimmick of PKM Trainer and the easy implementation of Jigglypuff that has save his life more than once of being cut off from the series).

4. So, I don´t see Sakurai removing Sonic nor Snake and Namco is working on Smash (not a big deal for me).

5. Why should I replace Mach Rider with Takamaru (yeah I know that Takamaru has been showed more in these recent years with Nintendo Land and Captain Rainbow, but still I will wait until he gets a brand new game, until then both of them have the same chances).

6. Shulk is one of the most important characters right now from Nintendo, Xenoblade Chronicles was a mayor success on the Wii, it can represent the union between Monolith Soft with Nintendo and let me get this straight Shulk > Isaac (yeah deal with that, for the simple reason that Xenoblade has a edge over Golden Sun with the next game of Monolith Soft called X on the WiiU, if Golden Sun will have a next installment on the 3DS or WiiU I will rate higher Isaac but until there is evidence of something like that, I will stick with Shulk).

7. Because Harry represent a new series, I f... hate that Fox, Falco and Wolf have almost the same moveset wise and not only that you can leave Harry alone he didn´t take the space of Wolf, the character that take that space is King. K. Rool, Ridley or if you want Palutena.

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Equal representation is a load of crap, no way in hell is Sakurai going to make a roster and cut characters because the franchise they are from has more reps than the Mario franchise, Sakurai does'nt give a crap about equal representation he only worries about over representation. So do us all a favor and stop using that overused and untrue crap if a franchise is complete it should NOT hinder other franchises growing potential.


sorry if I came off as a rude douche im just really sick and tired of this "Equal representation" bull.
 

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Equal representation is a load of crap, no way in hell is Sakurai going to make a roster and cut characters because the franchise they are from has more reps than the Mario franchise, Sakurai does'nt give a crap about equal representation he only worries about over representation. So do us all a favor and stop using that overused and untrue crap if a franchise is complete it should NOT hinder other franchises growing potential.


sorry if I came off as a rude douche im just really sick and tired of this "Equal representation" bull.

Yeah,in Melee Mario had 5 characters of his games,and who cares?
 

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Equal representation is a load of crap, no way in hell is Sakurai going to make a roster and cut characters because the franchise they are from has more reps than the Mario franchise, Sakurai does'nt give a crap about equal representation he only worries about over representation. So do us all a favor and stop using that overused and untrue crap if a franchise is complete it should NOT hinder other franchises growing potential.


sorry if I came off as a rude douche im just really sick and tired of this "Equal representation" bull.
If that comment was for me, I believe that if Pokemon receive more than four character slots it will be a bad decision for the simple reason that it will take space for a new series that would be on Smash (it can be old or new).
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A tutorial icon who has only been playable through DLC because of small popularity doesn't really merit a playable character over the main character of one of the best selling and newest Fire Emblem games.
Not only is she a tutorial icon, but she is the tutorial unit as well, a pegasus knight in one. Not only that, but she is the secret/special shopkeeper for every shop in every game (excluding Gaiden, which did not use shops). You also made a mistake, she is playable in Awakening as a side character comparable to Tharja or Owain or any of the others, without the use of DLC, though admittedly she lacks a child and a few support conversations. Speaking of which, she is the face and hostess of link systems in the GBA games, and likewise in every other connection mode. Her role is added unto through the DLC you pointed out, many of the episode's stories are heavily influenced by her, and she is also boss in one of them, actually the hardest boss, stats and skill wise, in all of Fire Emblem. You underestimate her worth severely, and I feel like I've actually said this to you before, last time you didn't respond. You don't have to support her, but you must acknowledge that the combination of all these roles, her mascothood in series, and her reoccurrence, make her a serious contender against the Lords.

Edit: I've said this sort of thing far too often for you to not have noticed by now, and if I was to presume, I'd say you're playing for your agenda in quite a slimy manner. Surely you have a response by now if I am wrong?
 

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If that comment was for me, I believe that if Pokemon receive more than four character slots it will be a bad decision for the simple reason that it will take space for a new series that would be on Smash (it can be old or new).
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Well respect your opinion on the matter but I have to dissagree there are lots of rosters with 5 slots for pokemon and they still have palenty of new franchises added but while doing that the roster's were also fair on the franchise they choose, a couple of your new franchise are interesting but are not really deserving IMO.
 

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Well respect your opinion on the matter but I have to dissagree there are lots of rosters with 5 slots for pokemon and they still have palenty of new franchises added but while doing that the roster's were also fair on the franchise they choose, a couple of your new franchise are interesting but are not really deserving IMO.
The problem that I have with those rosters is that they have more than 45 characters and for me that situation is not happening, if you tell those people to cut their rosters to 45 they will get nuts (probably they will start cracking their heads on which characters will stay and which will gone, I assure you that at least one Pokemon will receive the axe in their rosters).

Can you tell me which series do not deserve any spot at all in my roster?
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Props for paper Mario kinda sad Venusaur Isn't with the other starters but I do like the overubundance of pokemon that can go mega it's not realistic but can't say I wouldn't love It if it was the real roster.

That Impa though....

The problem that I have with those rosters is that they have more than 45 characters and for me that situation is not happening, if you tell those people to cut their rosters to 45 they will get nuts (probably they will start cracking their heads on which characters will stay and which will gone, I assure you that at least one Pokemon will receive the axe in their rosters).

Can you tell me which series do not deserve any spot at all in my roster?
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It all depends on who they add most don't actually think were getting a lot of newcomers so that wouldn't be much of problem and maybe they will cut a pokemon but I bet you they would cut the obscure characters before touching pokemon.

Machrider and Harry those are the two, don't get me wrong I like them but they really arent deserving to me.
 

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It all depends on who they add most don't actually think were getting a lot of newcomers so that wouldn't be much of problem and maybe they will cut a pokemon but I bet you they would cut the obscure characters before touching pokemon.

Machrider and Harry those are the two, don't get me wrong I like them but they really arent deserving to me.
If I´m Sakurai I will choose a new series over getting more reps from Pokemon, Mario or Zelda (those have the slots that are needed and feel complete), I would prefer that a series get a new introduction, get revived or have more exposure like Shulk, Mach Rider, Harry, Dillon or the Marvelous Boys than Pokemon (If I want to play with pokemon I will buy a pokemon game and play it).
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So rather than talk about Fire Emblem, let's talk Mario.

Not that anyone doubted the return of our big four Mario veterans, but I don't think anyone anticipated them being released so close to the game's announcement. Peach's reveal was a mere 3 months since E3. No other universe with two or more veterans has gotten their entire cast of characters revealed so early in Smash history. Pokemon, Zelda, Starfox and Fire Emblem have all had their secret characters hidden until after launch, but that's not the case with Mario this time. Heck, Mario is the only universe at this point with more than one confirmed character at this point.

Because all of the Mario veterans have been revealed so early and so close together, do you guys think that we'll be seeing a Mario newcomer in the game? I'm not asking if you think it's necessary. I'm asking if you think it's likely.

I really do think so. I do think that it'd be really fishy to get the Mario characters out and done with so early and then just be done with them three months into development, especially when Sakurai has shown interest in adding a fifth Mario character, Dr. Mario, in Melee and in Brawl, and we all know that he likes revisiting old ideas.

I actually feel more confident that we're seeing a new Mario character this time than I think most people are about Little Mac, and it sucks because Bowser Jr. and Paper Mario are B-listers (even though I'd love to have them both) compared to legends like King K. Rool and Dixie Kong.
 
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