Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Hotfeet444]

He apparently loves to taunt us, as shown by this pic.

Here's a hole! What does it mean?! I won't tell you, so here's a picture of Peach looking dreamily at Link. Also, am I the only one who notices that this hallway doesn't even have any break-off points? It's basically a small narrow hallway that leads from one wall to another wall...WHO DESIGNED THIS PLACE?!

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Kirby Air Ride.

the worst part is the series only got better from there

 

[FlareHabanero]

the worst part is the series only got better from there

You're the worst part in the series.

 

[?????????????]

You're the worst part in the series.

Besides Air Ride, Squeak Squad was actually my first Kirby game, and I enjoyed it.

...I wound up enjoying everything else in the series more when I got around to it, but still.

 

[BluePikmin11]

My first Kirby game I think was Amazing Mirror, not too sure on that though.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

This was my first Kirby game if you don't count Smash 64 (I wish they'd bring back Adeliene...

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Because a large friggin' image is necessary to tell us that.

It was my first too, though. I never even knew about Zero Two until 8 or so years later, after having unlocked the song in Brawl. It blew my mind.

 

[BluePikmin11]

O2 was the hardest Kirby boss for me.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

O2 was the hardest Kirby boss for me.

Marx Soul seems more accurate for being hard, though.

I'm sure I'm not the only one to find "Kracko" in Squeak Squad to be difficult, if we're talking about just regular bosses.

 

[SuperBrawler]

This was my first Kirby game if you don't count Smash 64 (I wish they'd bring back Adeliene...

That was my first Kirby game too.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Galactaknight is hard without get hit once.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Waddle Dee is Dedede's right hand man and it would be unique in Smash Brothers. I have yet to see an existing Smash Brothers character utilize a spear. Right hand Man is right, he's so much his right hand man he's being thrown out of his left hand at people in Smash Bros.

The designs? Sure. The actual enemies themselves? Not so much. Because the consistent use of Dark isn't skeptical.
Well first of all, there are thirteen. Nope, Eleven. Nightmare in Dreamland and Super Star Ultra are remakes and therefore don't count, as I stated.

Even with Squeak Squad, your eight out of eleven has been shot down to four out of thirteen. Five out of eleven actually, with Dark Nebula plus his appearance in Mass Attack as the ultimate challenge.
Then why would you expect it to be the next playable Kirby character for Smash Bros then? Because it strays away from the norm of Kirby and represents a whole other side of the franchise. We have all of Sakurai's main characters, why not a character who's the most important non-sakurai created character to date? Not to mention it's a REAL VILLAIN. Dedede is an antagonist, but he isn't evil and most of the time does good deeds like protecting the Star Rod from Nightmare or protecting the Dark Nebula from the Squeak Squad, while Dark Matter is the opposite. It's the embodiment of sadness, anger and evil, it wants to do nothing more than drown the world in sorrow and suck the life out of Dreamland and Pop Star. It's a villain that the Kirby franchise needs, and will probably be coming back again in the not so distant future, for its influence has been seen throughout the franchise. It has recurrence, it has diversity, and it has importance, I don't see what the problem is.

O2 was the hardest Kirby boss for me.

I don't know about hardest, but it definitely was one of the most disturbing. A Kirby boss that bleeds when you hit it? Kirby games are baby games everyone! :D

As for my first Kirby games...it was Super Star and Nightmare in Dreamland.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

My first Kirby game was the original Kirby's Dream land.

...not sure what the new on-topic thing should be.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Confusing Smah predictions.

EDIT *Smash

 

[Robert of Normandy]

...not sure what the new on-topic thing should be.

Spoiler

 

[FlareHabanero]

Oh boy, more ******** about Corn and Louisiana.

 

[SuperBrawler]

How about which characters would definitely he clones.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

How about which characters would definitely he clones.

Not sure about he clones, but some people say Lucina would be a she clone of Marth.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Not sure about he clones, but some people say Lucina would be a she clone of Marth.

A girl version of Marth is redundant.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Because the consistent use of Dark isn't skeptical.

...what?

Five out of eleven actually, with Dark Nebula plus his appearance in Mass Attack as the ultimate challenge.*

*in a minigame.

Because it strays away from the norm of Kirby and represents a whole other side of the franchise. We have all of Sakurai's main characters, why not a character who's the most important non-sakurai created character to date?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OverlyNarrowSuperlative

Also, importance in this case is incredibly subjective.

t's a villain that the Kirby franchise needs, and will probably be coming back again in the not so distant future, for its influence has been seen throughout the franchise.

Nice to know you can see into the future.

 

[BluePikmin11]

If Lucina was a General from the beginning, people would definitely want her.

 

[AEMehr]

Right hand Man is right, he's so much his right hand man he's being thrown out of his left hand at people in Smash Bros.

Those are Waddle Dees, but not THE Waddle Dee.

Because the consistent use of Dark isn't skeptical.

You can be as skeptical as you want, doesn't mean it's true.

Nope, Eleven. Nightmare in Dreamland and Super Star Ultra are remakes and therefore don't count, as I stated.

I'm under the impression that you decided to not click on the link and just assumed I had included the remakes.

Five out of eleven actually, with Dark Nebula plus his appearance in Mass Attack as the ultimate challenge.

Which is why I said "being the final boss of a minigame doesn't add to your 'overarching villain' theory". Leaving it at four antagonistic appearances, would it not?

Because it strays away from the norm of Kirby and represents a whole other side of the franchise. We have all of Sakurai's main characters, why not a character who's the most important non-sakurai created character to date? Not to mention it's a REAL VILLAIN. Dedede is an antagonist, but he isn't evil and most of the time does good deeds like protecting the Star Rod from Nightmare or protecting the Dark Nebula from the Squeak Squad, while Dark Matter is the opposite. It's the embodiment of sadness, anger and evil, it wants to do nothing more than drown the world in sorrow and suck the life out of Dreamland and Pop Star. It's a villain that the Kirby franchise needs, and will probably be coming back again in the not so distant future, for its influence has been seen throughout the franchise. It has recurrence, it was diversity, and it has importance, I don't see what the problem is.

The problem is that you're saying it has a better chance for Smash than Waddle Dee and it doesn't. By all means, I'd love to see it happen some day. But that day will come after Waddle Dee.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Got it, Blue Toad and. Yellow Toad

 

[Hotfeet444]

Those are Waddle Dees, but not THE Waddle Dee.

There is no single important Waddle Dee, and if we're talking about Bandana Dee, all he's done is sit in the background during the Masked Dedede battle and be a playable character in one game, which is NOWHERE near as important as Dark Matter. It's like saying a Goomba is important enough to be playable because you had a partner Goomba with you in both the first Paper Mario titles.

You can be as skeptical as you want, doesn't mean it's true.

Doesn't make me wrong either.

I'm under the impression that you decided to not click on the link and just assumed I had included the remakes.

Kirby's Dreamland 1, 2, 3, Kirby 64, Kirby Super Star, Kirby's Adventure, Kirby and the Amazing Mirror, Kirby Squeak Squad, Kirby Mass Attack, Kirby's Epic Yarn, Kirby's Return to Dreamland. That's eleven.

Which is why I said "being the final boss of a minigame doesn't add to your 'overarching villain' theory". Leaving it at four antagonistic appearances, would it not?

An appearance is an appearance, and his appearance as the final challenge fits quite well.

The problem is that you're saying it has a better chance for Smash than Waddle Dee and it doesn't. By all means, I'd love to see it happen some day. But that day will come after Waddle Dee.

When you say that, it doesn't make sense. If you're talking about Bandana Dee, he's not overly important enough to the franchise to warrant a spot. If you're talking about your average Waddle Dee, they're just generic enemies. In the end, I fail to see how Waddle Dee warrants more.

 

[Chandeelure]

I'm a huge kirby fan,but...dark matter is a terrible idea for a playable character...

 

[Autumn ♫]

I really don't find Badanna Dee very interesting or important, but I do think that Dark Matter is both interesting and important.

 

[Chandeelure]

I really don't find Badanna Dee very interesting or important, but I do think that Dark Matter is both interesting and important.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Don't get me wrong, I love the character, I just don't think he's too important to the franchise like Kirby, Meta Knight, or Dedede or would have too interesting of a moveset. But honestly, I'm leaning towards no new Kirby character.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

I really don't find Badanna Dee very interesting or important, but I do think that Dark Matter is both interesting and important.

What would Dark Matter do exactly? It's hard to justify making an eldritch abomination playable and not seem... Off. From a gameplay standpoint, Waddle Dee has a lot more going than Dark Matter in being both easy to invent a moveset for and having a playstyle not already used by other characters.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

There is no single important Waddle Dee, and if we're talking about Bandana Dee, all he's done is sit in the background during the Masked Dedede battle and be a playable character in one game, which is NOWHERE near as important as Dark Matter.

Except he did more than that. He was a miniboss fight in Super Star Ultra, and he had a prominent supporting role in Revenge of the King. He was also an opponent in the original Megaton Punch minigame in KSS. Plus he had a cameo in Mass Attack. Whether that totals to be more "important" than Dark Matter is subjective I suppose, but still.

It's like saying a Goomba is important enough to be playable because you had a partner Goomba with you in both the first Paper Mario titles.

Except it isn't. Like, at all.

 

[Hotfeet444]

What would Dark Matter do exactly? It's hard to justify making an eldritch abomination playable and not seem... Off. From a gameplay standpoint, Waddle Dee has a lot more going than Dark Matter in being both easy to invent a moveset for and having a playstyle not already used by other characters.

Quite simple, Swordplay, dark beams, distortion forms, summoning Dark Matter blobs, the dark Matter hands from Squeak Squad, Summoning Dark energy from his sword, Summoning energy blades to rain on the opponent, and a Final Smash will be calling Zero-Two to the battlefield. Quite simple really.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Quite simple, Swordplay, dark beams, distortion forms, summoning Dark Matter blobs, the dark Matter hands from Squeak Squad, Summoning Dark energy from his sword, Summoning energy blades to rain on the opponent, and a Final Smash will be calling Zero-Two to the battlefield. Quite simple really.

Swordplay and dark energy is all but already done plenty. The rest of what you're mentioning is specific moves, not a playstyle.

Again, how does he stand out from the rest of the cast more than Waddle Dee, who would be the sole spear-based fighter of the series?

 

[---]

Wouldn't be surprised if Bandana Dee worked itself into a part of Dedede's Side-Special. Either way, I don't think a Kirby newcomer is a good bet, nor personally am I interested in what they have to offer.

Spoiler

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I'm sorry Doga. Next time I'll find a pic of a general using a Lance or Bow.

 

[Espio264]

The term "semi-clone" makes me wanna push over people in wheel chairs. However, I oddly enjoy the term and idea behind "she-clone".

 

[BluePikmin11]

Oh and I finally got the General joke shinpichu.

 

[---]

I'm sorry Doga. Next time I'll find a pic of a general using a Lance or Bow.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Okay fine. Just lances.

Oh and I finally got the General joke shinpichu.

Spoiler

 

[Hotfeet444]

Swordplay and dark energy is all but already done plenty. The rest of what you're mentioning is specific moves, not a playstyle.

Again, how does he stand out from the rest of the cast more than Waddle Dee, who would be the sole spear-based fighter of the series?

His move-set style would be based around the use of limited Sword attacks with the mixture of the power of Dark Matter, being able to forge together dark creations out of thin air to attack the opponent. He wouldn't be a character based around his sword, but his sword more like the stick for a maestro, commanding the Dark Matter to do as he pleases. Imagine something like Chaos 0 from Sonic Battle, a character who could take his body and stretch and change it around to amazing proportions to attack, Dark Matter would be almost no different. He could alter his body to create eyes that will fire blasts of energy, the power of raining swords on people has never been done before, The Dark Matter transforming into powerful beasts for Smash attacks to deal heavy damage, the amount of Dark Matter is endless, so so are the possiblities for his moveset. We've had people fight with darkness and fight with swords, but never a fighter who can manipulate the very essence of Darkness in his favour, considering that is what Dark Matter is, complete and utter darkness.

 

[Chandeelure]

His move-set style would be based around the use of limited Sword attacks with the mixture of the power of Dark Matter, being able to forge together dark creations out of thin air to attack the opponent. He wouldn't be a character based around his sword, but his sword more like the stick for a maestro, commanding the Dark Matter to do as he pleases. Imagine something like Chaos 0 from Sonic Battle, a character who could take his body and stretch and change it around to amazing proportions to attack, Dark Matter would be almost no different. He could alter his body to create eyes that will fire blasts of energy, the power of raining swords on people has never been done before, The Dark Matter transforming into powerful beasts for Smash attacks to deal heavy damage, the amount of Dark Matter is endless, so so are the possiblities for his moveset. We've had people fight with darkness and fight with swords, but never a fighter who can manipulate the very essence of Darkness in his favour, considering that is what Dark Matter is, complete and utter darkness.

That,my friend,is boss battle material.