Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Scoliosis Jones]

Just took a trip to Youtube to check out some roster predictions.

A LOT of people don't know what they're talking about.

 

[MagnesD3]

Just took a trip to Youtube to check out some roster predictions.

A LOT of people don't know what they're talking about.

I want Mickey Mouse, Goku, Spongebob, the Punisher, and Braveheart.

 

[AEMehr]

Just took a trip to Youtube to check out some roster predictions.

A LOT of people don't know what they're talking about.

Did you forget where Noah came from?



Honestly though, the Youtube Smash community is generally composed of people saying, "hey i lik dis so im gun poot it on mah rooster"

 

[Neanderthal]

Not sure what you're going by here.Didn't Sakurai say that he wasn't making anymore Kid Icarus games?

Not that it can't happen with another team, but it is possible for a hiatus to occur.

I didn't know that but like you said he doesn't have to be involved for any future releases.

 

[Deleted member]

Did you forget where Noah came from?



Honestly though, the Youtube Smash community is generally composed of people saying, "hey i lik dis so im gun poot it on mah rooster"

YouTube's Smash community is poop and is around the same level of disgusting as GameFAQs, although this goes without saying. There are a few decent people every now and then (such as some who came here from YouTube), but I can say with assurance that I wouldn't want many of these people touching this board.

 

[Bassoonist]

Not sure what you're going by here.Didn't Sakurai say that he wasn't making anymore Kid Icarus games?

Sakurai has also said he wasn't going to make anymore Super Smash Bros. games at least one time (after Melee), possibly even after Brawl, although I can't confirm that one. Clearly, the man can not be trusted when he says he won't continue a series.

 

[Neanderthal]

Sakurai has also said he wasn't going to make anymore Super Smash Bros. games at least one time (after Melee), possibly even after Brawl, although I can't confirm that one. Clearly, the man can not be trusted when he says he won't continue a series.

I can confirm he said Brawl would be his last.

 

[Curious Villager]

Which is kinda funny since I believe the very specific reason he decided to leave Hal in the first place and started Project Sora was specifically because he hated making sequels. Although I think Smash is an exception to this though. He may really not want to do another Kid Icarus and maybe instead revive another series he decides to have a playable character in for smash 4? Eh I guess we will just have to wait and see what will happen to the Kid Icarus series and what sakurai's future plans are. It would be quite a shame to let the Kid Icarus series die as soon as it got resurrected though. :/

 

[Deleted member]

I don't trust you, remember to keep in mind that being recent is not the end all decision and there is the glaring problem of not being able to stand out enough among his comrades. Same goes with Lucina.

In fact, what I'm expecting is a scenario where history essentially repeats itself. The guys at Intelligent Systems suggests the idea of Chrom/Lucina, Sakurai get's hesitant on the idea due to thinking neither standout enough, and instead focuses the priorities on Roy due to his Sword of Seals and stronger popularity leading to better reception. Somewhat reminiscent as to why Roy was chosen over other alternatives at the time like Leif.

Yeah, I agree with you entirely.

I'm not entirely keen on either Chrom and Lucina getting in at this point tbh. Then again, that's probably largely in part to the fact that I haven't played Awakening yet.

I suppose Roy is the most likely choice, especially considering how him and Mewtwo are the most fleshed out Mods over on kcmm.

So yeah, you can give Chrono the satisfaction of knowing that after all our endless debates, I've decided to side with him... I'll admit my defeat.


On the other hand, at this point I just don't know WHAT to think about FE characters in Smash anymore, it's why I don't touch the topic anymore.

As for Lyn, she's got her perks, but I don't think they're good enough to make her stand out above the rest, I've said it before, even in the support thread for her. She's basically a shot in the dark, maybe if Smash was more gameplay oriented, then yeah, but we all know that's not entirely the case with Nintendo these days. So we'll just have to deal with what could have been. There's no denying she'd be an incredible character to have though (Mew2King agrees and he's like, a Smash celebrety, right?).

The only thing that I don't agree on is that Western popularity is not as important as Eastern popularity. It might have been at some point, but seeing as Nintendo is pushing more for international releases and even throws a bone to the Western fans every once in while, I'll have to side with "no, it's not." Not anymore at least.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Fun Fact: I was originally from YT and i have dealt with Noah before. Guy got mad when i didn't agree with him about Sheriff and blocked me.

EDIT: Anyway, Palutena has a decent chance.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

As for Lyn, she's got her perks, but I don't think they're good enough to make her stand out above the rest, I've said it before, even in the support thread for her. She's basically a shot in the dark, maybe if Smash was more gameplay oriented, then yeah, but we all know that's not entirely the case with Nintendo these days. So we'll just have to deal with what could have been. There's no denying she'd be an incredible character to have though (Mew2King agrees and he's like, a Smash celebrety, right?).

Yeah she does.

Spoiler

 

[Swamp Sensei]

So, with E3 2013 which is finally coming in less than a week, I decide to show my own roster (Made on Word. I'll try to remake it with the SSB Roster software later).

I've made 2 versions of it : a Realistic one (the most likely to be included in the game) and an Idealist one (less likely but represents the best roster possible IMO).

The names written in italic type are those of the newcomers, those which are surrounded in purple are those of the characters who are unlockables.

[collapse="Realistic roster"]

[/collapse][collapse="Idealist roster"]

[/collapse]

You cut Ike, Pokemon Trainer (original one), Snake and Lucario and added "Marth," Alph, Mike and Syrup.

Everything else is fine.

 

[Bajef8]

Yea i'd say Palutena is a likely choice. Sakurai wouldn't be modest in this regard, as Palutena isn't his own character, and it would only be one rep for Kid Icarus.

Not to mention she's popular.

I wouldn't be pretending to know Sakurai's modesty...he was modest with Kirby, so what makes him not modest on a series he revived and worked on? Anyhow let's not forget Kid Icarus isn't a massive Nintendo franchise, and F-Zero and Meteoid have had 1 rep since the beginning.

As for Youtube predictions, they mostly are awful is right. Some people even just lie and usually say, "Sakurai said...(false statement)".

 

[MagnesD3]

I wouldn't be pretending to know Sakurai's modesty...he was modest with Kirby, so what makes him not modest on a series he revived and worked on? Anyhow let's not forget Kid Icarus isn't a massive Nintendo franchise, and F-Zero and Meteoid have had 1 rep since the beginning.

As for Youtube predictions, they mostly are awful is right. Some people even just lie and usually say, "Sakurai said...(false statement)".

I like how everybody and their grandma knows who Sakurai is for some reason..

 

[Bajef8]

I like how everybody and their grandma knows who Sakurai is for some reason..

Right? YouTube and here. Besides all we know about his Smash tendencies are from interviews, and how the past games have turned out.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I watched two videos last night and one was this like 15 year old Ginger kid, and another was NIntendo Buzz or something. They predicted Zoroark to replace Lucario, because "Lucario replaced Mewtwo". Also said Ridley was too big.

Fail.

 

[Banjodorf]

YouTube's Smash community is poop and is around the same level of disgusting as GameFAQs, although this goes without saying. There are a few decent people every now and then (such as some who came here from YouTube), but I can say with assurance that I wouldn't want many of these people touching this board.

I'm trying my best to add some sense to the YouTube community through my videos, but at the very least I've seen K. Rool in the top 3 a good many times. Although I've seen Ridley past 10 more than that.

Ugh.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Redone the roster again for my spare time, replaced some guys, with some new ones to replace the old ones.

Starter

Full

 

[MagnesD3]

Kaoken x20?

 

[8-peacock-8]

>Goku

No.

 

[FalKoopa]

>No Mewtwo
>Mr. Hanafuda
>Goku.

...

 

[Banjodorf]

>No Mewtwo
>Mr. Hanafuda
>Goku.

...

Aside from the lack of Mewtwo I was ok with it.

But from an objective standpoint Goku is a no-go, so yeah...

Edit: Wait a minute. Ninten over Masked Man? Ninten is literally backwards Ness, people.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I could always replace Mr. Hanafuda with Nester since he's an actual character
And I would be fine to replace Zoroark with Mewtwo if N has Zoroark.
But I still think Goku can be the best surprise character Smash history.

Aside from the lack of Mewtwo I was ok with it.

But from an objective standpoint Goku is a no-go, so yeah...

Edit: Wait a minute. Ninten over Masked Man? Ninten is literally backwards Ness, people.

Masked Man is basically just personal preference, but I don't think Sakurai would pick a character that has been already been outdated.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Also, too much representation of Gen 5 Pokemon. I'm pretty sure Mewtwo, in his new form, will probably be chosen over both N and Zoroark. (Plus you're using a trainer that already uses Zoroark.....why is there another Zoroark?)

EDIT: Get rid of Zoroark and put Mewtwo.

 

[FalKoopa]

I could always replace Mr. Hanafuda with Nester since he's an actual character

Two wrongs don't make a right. (-_-)

And I would be fine to replace Zoroark with Mewtwo if N has Zoroark.

Do that.

But I still think Goku can be the best surprise character Smash history.

I give up.

 

[Dark Phazon]

Just took a trip to Youtube to check out some roster predictions.

A LOT of people don't know what they're talking about.

Thats why i dont go outside these Boards no more for opnions...even though its good to see whats popping on the otherside...

What i see mentioned pretty much all the time that is realistic is K.Rool/Toad/Waluigi and Well Ermmm...Ghirahim (how ever you spell it...(-_-)

 

[Bajef8]

2 additional 3rd parties, a "4th party" ninten and 3 Kid Icarus reps is a no go.

 

[MagnesD3]

>Goku

No.

>Master Roshi

Yes.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Especially Dark Pit. If anything he'd be a costume that would also give Pit a different voice.

 

[Dark Phazon]

Isnt it cute that the PeePz that support Ninten Bash other chars like Dark Samus/Dr.Mario/Dixie/hell even Birdo....

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Masked Man is basically just personal preference, but I don't think Sakurai would pick a character that has been already been outdated.

You're right. The character from the most successful game, the one Sakurai likes the most and had some involvement in, the only one that's advanced for it's series, and one of Nintendo's most emotional characters (Along with other things, like I don't know, HAVING THE MOST MOVES?!) is totally outdated from the best aging GBA game that aged even better than Golden Sun. Meanwhile we need the protagonist from the worst game, the game that nobody cared for, the game that Sakurai doesn't even have much input value, and the most simliar thing to any character you can find on the roster who's generic, adds nothing, and hasn't aged well in the slightest.

Wait what? What are you on?

Also be minded while I am saying Masked Man has the best chance of them all and then some more, even I don't think he's likely.

Redone the roster again for my spare time, replaced some guys, with some new ones to replace the old ones.

Ninten? Goku?

The hell are you on and where can I get some?

I think one important point that solidifies Marth and Ike's spots and separates them from characters like Roy or Lyn is that they have been in at least 2 Fire Emblem games. And 3 now if you include Awakening.

What solidifies them even more is just how major they are to the entire Fire Emblem series. Ike was on the first two console ones in the U.S. and probably two of the more popular FE games overall not only in Japan but in the U.S. (and popularity doesn't even matter to this damned series much CONSIDERING that it's not Dragon Quest or Monster Hunter: The only two realllllllly big ones in Japan)

Sakurai has a track record of rejecting characters with only one significant appearance.

That's... pretty debatable, but most contenders really have appeared more times or just generally make sense over their competition.

Not sure what you're going by here.Didn't Sakurai say that he wasn't making anymore Kid Icarus games?

Not that it can't happen with another team, but it is possible for a hiatus to occur.

Bingo. The sales were nice but I don't see another for a while.

Also Sakurai is pretty modest. If it wase any other Ninty producer we could doubt Palutena, but Sakurai's Modesty is something I've even pointed out against several characters.

Hey everyone, I thought I'd come and post my predictions for SSB4's character roster. BLAH BLAH BLAH text

Okay I feel rude for editing the rest of your post into that but... I actually like your roster.

Having similar sword's never stopped Toon Link from making it in. Besides their swords look vastly different compared to Link and Toon Link's.

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The swords aren't that big of a deal, guys.

Can we stop Forbidden 7 references so much? We don't even know if they got ninety-nine percent done or just nine.

There is literally no proof of Lyn ever being considered to be playable. What we do have proof of is (other than Marth) two other FE characters being planned before her, at her peak. Now she has even more competition that outmatches her. Claiming ATs have higher chances or were undoubtedly considered is pretty flawed, considering a good amount of the ATs are hardly feasible fighters.

This.

The Isaac, Saki (to an extent), and Ridley (Before he was made into a boss) AT's are very easy to note for many reasons, but beyond that it's ridiculous. Even if Roy didn't get that high in development, there's no way they ever put much thought into Lyn. I'll tell you all know just from Oldsider that the StarFox choices, Lucas, Masked Man, Ridley, Black Shadow, and many others still outmatched her or were at least even when she was at her peak. Her time is up; she was one protagonist out of three. None of the other characters have aged badly, and some? Very well.

Considering that Chrom doesn't provide anything different to warrant the higher priority, unlike Roy and Ike who did sport something different from Marth, it's doubtful the made up pattern is going to happen again. Roy and Ike didn't get in solely because they were flavor of the month.

I think Ike's demand was high before the release of Brawl, but unless they knew about FE10, as much as I hate to admit it, it was a bit Flavor of the Month.
Roy just had "Who's the best clone out of who"

Chrom (Or any other from Awakening) can happen due to this over Roy easily. Will it? Only time can tell.

 

[BluePikmin11]

2 additional 3rd parties, a "4th party" ninten and 3 Kid Icarus reps is a no go.

You obviously never played KI:U (Sakurai revived this series)
Ninten can still be the last Earthbound character.
And what's wrong with two additional 3rd parties. O-o

 

[8-peacock-8]

You obviously never played KI:U (Sakurai revived this series)

Dark Pit is better as a costume that uses a different voice.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

You obviously never played KI:U (Sakurai revived this series)

...With one game. One game. Even if KI did get a third rep, it for sure shouldn't be Pitoo. Maybe Magnus or Hades, but Pitoo? UNORIGINAL STRIKING IN

Ninten can still be the last Earthbound character.

No. Just no. Maybe as an alt costume for Ness, but no. And I hate bringing the Mother debate around.

And what's wrong with two additional 3rd parties. O-o

Well you only added one more which is fine but it was Goku. Really?

Dark Pit is better as a costume that uses a different voice.

Because that's all he is. We're talking about characters that haven't aged well, yup, he deserves his spot there.

Also iirc he was played by the same voice actor anyways so..

 

[FalKoopa]

Masked Man is basically just personal preference, but I don't think Sakurai would pick a character that has been already been outdated.

How could I miss this gem?

Masked Man is outdated but Ninten isn't?

 

[Thirdkoopa]

BluePikmin11 said: ↑

Masked Man is basically just personal preference, but I don't think Sakurai would pick a character that has been already been outdated.​

How could I miss this gem?

Masked Man is outdated but Ninten isn't?

It's quite the gem all things considered. It's like he hasn't even played a game in the series.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Dark Pit or Magnus as a third KI rep? I think i'll go with the character that isn't a literal clone and can't be used as a costume. Also Medusa>>>Magnus

 

[Dark Phazon]

If Goku gets in over Megaman....(Speechless....
.....(@_@)
(Speechless......

 

[FalKoopa]

Can we stop Forbidden 7 references so much? We don't even know if they got ninety-nine percent done or just nine.

Hey, it was atleast more than zero.

 

[Ultinarok]

The idea behind me including 4 FE reps is:

1. There are 13 games now, approximately the same number as LoZ, which also has 4 reps. They've also sold quite well.
2. Marth is the poster boy and the two-time veteran, he'll likely never leave now.
3. Roy is exceedingly popular in the East and is also a long-awaited returning veteran. The Japanese hold him second only to Mewtwo iirc.
4. Ike represents an FE milestone: FE coming to the West, thus he represents the Western audience and is again, a veteran. Plus, he's a re-occurring character.
5. Chrom represents the newest game. Thus, he keeps FE contemporary within Smash by having the latest character addition: and to a critically acclaimed and internationally released game.
6. They CAN all be differentiated, even if some end up luigified.