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No Lyn's pretty out of realm of possibility asides from the crazy fans. I don't even see what makes her have a ghost of a chance. They'll either go Flavor of the Week (Especially because, remember, through-out brawl's development, Awakening was planned to be the last game), Roy, or no FE character. (asides from the inevitable Marth and Ike)

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I agree with thethirdkoopa, Lyn barely stands a chance, her time to get in was with Brawl. She'd be interesting sure, but her popularity (really all she has going for her) isn't as high as it was pre-Brawl, and now she has the Awakening characters to deal with as well as Roy and Ike, who were both chosen over her last time, and are both significantly more popular, especially in Japan. Trust me, Chrom is definitely more likely.
 

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No Lyn's pretty out of realm of possibility asides from the crazy fans. I don't even see what makes her have a ghost of a chance. They'll either go Flavor of the Week (Especially because, remember, through-out brawl's development, Awakening was planned to be the last game), Roy, or no FE character. (asides from the inevitable Marth and Ike)

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Yar. If they really want a female FE rep then Lucina is the obvious choice to me. Just about as relevant as Chrom being a main character in Awakening.
That or a female Robin.

Also, if there was a female FE swords(wo)man rep I think they would be very popular and high tier.
Imagine Marth but smaller and faster... *shivers*.
 
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I believe the criteria of being unique means the character must standout in some fashion, whether from a cosmetic or gameplay standpoint. This is why implementing characters like Lucina might be discouraged in that regard.
I see it more as a stylistic criteria.
Like for example, in Melee, Ganondorf is a clone of Captain Falcon as we all know. (Not saying he isn't one in Brawl, but he is considerably less of one)
However, despite sharing Falcon's moves, he has a style that no other character has; ridiculously slow, yet ridiculously strong. Only Bowser comes close in that regard, but Bowser's got his own style.

Seeing that in-progress PSA of Lucina, despite being a Marth semi-clone, I see a style that differs enough from Marth which gives me confidence that she could have more merit to inclusion other than "because she's new and less dull than Chrom".
While Marth has a more graceful style that focuses on flowing like a stream and spacing to be able to use full potential, the Lucina PSA focuses on chaining hits one right after the other to not allow the opponent to even breathe due to having weak attacks that don't have a sweetspot, and being easier to KO.
Or at least that's what I saw out of it.
 

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No Lyn's pretty out of realm of possibility asides from the crazy fans. I don't even see what makes her have a ghost of a chance. They'll either go Flavor of the Week (Especially because, remember, through-out brawl's development, Awakening was planned to be the last game), Roy, or no FE character. (asides from the inevitable Marth and Ike)

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you guys missed my word choice apparently. I said not outside of the realm of possibility. she was an assist trophy, so she's not some forgotten character. However, of course i don't think it'll happen. it's either no new FE rep, add Roy, or add Chrom. My bet's on my boy.
 

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No Lyn's pretty out of realm of possibility asides from the crazy fans. I don't even see what makes her have a ghost of a chance. They'll either go Flavor of the Week (Especially because, remember, through-out brawl's development, Awakening was planned to be the last game), Roy, or no FE character. (asides from the inevitable Marth and Ike)

Quote me if I'm wrong.
I still feel she is an extremely viable option, I feel a ton of the assist trophies have a shot of making it into the game and dont forget that she is the first american released fire emblem protagonist, this is something to take into consideration and is a huge reason why she is so popular (I mean thats one of the reasons I like her so much).
 

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I still feel she is an extremely viable option, I feel a ton of the assist trophies have a shot of making it into the game and dont forget that she is the first american released fire emblem protagonist, this is something to take into consideration and is a huge reason why she is so popular (I mean thats one of the reasons I like her so much).

Yeah but awakening hurts her severly, not to mention the fact Awakening means Ike (who's removal 90% probably won't happen) and Roy's chances of getting the slots increase too.
 

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Trust me, Chrom is definitely more likely.
I don't trust you, remember to keep in mind that being recent is not the end all decision and there is the glaring problem of not being able to stand out enough among his comrades. Same goes with Lucina.

In fact, what I'm expecting is a scenario where history essentially repeats itself. The guys at Intelligent Systems suggests the idea of Chrom/Lucina, Sakurai get's hesitant on the idea due to thinking neither standout enough, and instead focuses the priorities on Roy due to his Sword of Seals and stronger popularity leading to better reception. Somewhat reminiscent as to why Roy was chosen over other alternatives at the time like Leif.
 

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I still feel she is an extremely viable option, I feel a ton of the assist trophies have a shot of making it into the game and dont forget that she is the first american released fire emblem protagonist, this is something to take into consideration and is a huge reason why she is so popular (I mean thats one of the reasons I like her so much).
Yeah, some of the ATs have a pretty good chance at being playable this time around, but just because they were ATs doesn't mean they have increased chances. Also being the first lord outside Japan might be what caused a lot of her popularity, sure, but it really doesn't mean that much towards her chances, American FE popularity doesn't matter as much as Japanese FE popularity anyway, and even if it did, she's got several characters ahead of her popularity-wise in all regions. And if Sakurai really wanted to capitalize of her impact as first western Lord, don't you think he would've done that with Brawl? I mean, it's not like people are getting into the series through FE7 anymore. Her chances since Brawl have not only decreased, but the chances of her competition have increased, and she's now got new, more likely competition as well.
 

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Yeah, some of the ATs have a pretty good chance at being playable this time around, but just because they were ATs doesn't mean they have increased chances. Also being the first lord outside Japan might be what caused a lot of her popularity, sure, but it really doesn't mean that much towards her chances, American FE popularity doesn't matter as much as Japanese FE popularity anyway, and even if it did, she's got several characters ahead of her popularity-wise in all regions. And if Sakurai really wanted to capitalize of her impact as first western Lord, don't you think he would've done that with Brawl? I mean, it's not like people are getting into the series through FE7 anymore. Her chances since Brawl have not only decreased, but the chances of her competition have increased, and she's now got new, more likely competition as well.
Im not predicting her inclusion (even though this is a prediction thread) im saying that she has a better chance than most FE characters (besides roy) and an equal chance with some FE characters (like chrom).
 

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.............................................. :facepalm: Really need a list of what's free.

Gimme #4.
Also taken, man you just have bad luck. The numbers that have been taken are as follows 1,4,5,6,7,8,9,13,14,17,19,25,26,27,and 35.
Also for anyone who doesn't know this is the second of TK's lucky chance games. Purely for the fun of it, the brawl characters are mixed up out of the 35 of them. You pick a number, and that is who you become until the next TK lucky chance game.
 

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I don't trust you, remember to keep in mind that being recent is not the end all decision and there is the glaring problem of not being able to stand out enough among his comrades. Same goes with Lucina.

In fact, what I'm expecting is a scenario where history essentially repeats itself. The guys at Intelligent Systems suggests the idea of Chrom/Lucina, Sakurai get's hesitant on the idea due to thinking neither standout enough, and instead focuses the priorities on Roy due to his Sword of Seals and stronger popularity leading to better reception. Somewhat reminiscent as to why Roy was chosen over other alternatives at the time like Leif.
I didn't say Chrom was more likely than Roy, I said Chrom was more likely than Lyn, because Magnes was originally comparing Chrom's chances to Lyn's chances. Do you really think Lyn has a better shot than Chrom, or did you just not read everything?

And history repeating itself could also be viewed as Chrom being chosen over Roy, not the other way around. Roy, the newest character was chosen over Leif (apparently) and Ike, the newest character, was chosen over Roy. Not that I think Chrom will be chosen over Roy, but historically, the newer character got the priority.
 

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Well it's pretty nice that I've been given Diddy Kong, he's a pretty cool character. You're talking about the one who loves banana's right? Of course you do. :bee:
 

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Also taken, man you just have bad luck. The numbers that have been taken are as follows 1,4,5,6,7,8,9,13,14,17,19,25,26,27,and 35.
Also for anyone who doesn't know this is the second of TK's lucky chance games. Purely for the fun of it, the brawl characters are mixed up out of the 35 of them. You pick a number, and that is who you become until the next TK lucky chance game.


Then 2 it is.

If my page reloads and someone took 2 just before me then I advise you all abandon the thread because it's not going to be pretty.
 

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I didn't say Chrom was more likely than Roy, I said Chrom was more likely than Lyn, because Magnes was originally comparing Chrom's chances to Lyn's chances. Do you really think Lyn has a better shot than Chrom, or did you just not read everything?

And history repeating itself could also be viewed as Chrom being chosen over Roy, not the other way around. Roy, the newest character was chosen over Leif (apparently) and Ike, the newest character, was chosen over Roy. Not that I think Chrom will be chosen over Roy, but historically, the newer character got the priority.
I still hold alot of weight with the fact lyn made it in as assist trophy, that means that she was already in consideration as a character choice, I feel this alone sets her on the same level as chrom for a chance of getting in the game, Roy id say is almost guaranteed.
 

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I still hold alot of weight with the fact lyn made it in as assist trophy, that means that she was already in consideration as a character choice, I feel this alone sets her on the same level as chrom for a chance of getting in the game, Roy id say is almost guaranteed.
By no means does being made an AT imply that they were at one point considered for playability. It's possible, even likely, that some of them were considered at one point in development, but do you really think Helirin, or Andross, or the Devil or someone was at one point considered to be playable? Considering there are no statements indicating any of the ATs were originally going to be playable (except maaaybe Starfy, but that could be an error), there's really no grounds to assume Lyn was ever seriously considered as a character. Being an AT doesn't mean anything in regards to a character's chance at playability.
 

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Well Sakurai wanted to have Assist Trophies in Brawl. It could very well be that Lyn was always meant to be an assist trophy for Brawl.
 

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Considering that Chrom doesn't provide anything different to warrant the higher priority, unlike Roy and Ike who did sport something different from Marth, it's doubtful the made up pattern is going to happen again. Roy and Ike didn't get in solely because they were flavor of the month.
 

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I still hold alot of weight with the fact lyn made it in as assist trophy, that means that she was already in consideration as a character choice, I feel this alone sets her on the same level as chrom for a chance of getting in the game, Roy id say is almost guaranteed.

Lyn's AT status really doesn't affect much and I wouldn't go so far to say that makes her as viable as Chrom. Also I wouldn't say being made an AT means they were being considered as a character. Roy was considered (Forbidden 7), not Lyn. Roy has a lot going for him, but I also wouldn't say he's almost guaranteed. Yes he might be the most likely new FE rep (if they get another one), but he's not a sure shot. Plus 4 FE reps is pushing it in my opinion.
 

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Well considering that Sakurai did say this in the smash Dojo.

Assist Trophies allow you to enjoy even more characters who couldn’t quite make it as playable fighters. You may even see some that only the most dedicated fans will recognize, so you’ll have to look forward to them.
Perhaps there could have been a few assist trophies considered as playable in smash but Sakurai then opted for them to be assist trophies in the end.

But oh well, either he meant that literally or figuratively I guess...
 

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Lyn's AT status really doesn't affect much and I wouldn't go so far to say that makes her as viable as Chrom. Also I wouldn't say being made an AT means they were being considered as a character. Roy was considered (Forbidden 7), not Lyn. Roy has a lot going for him, but I also wouldn't say he's almost guaranteed. Yes he might be the most likely new FE rep (if they get another one), but he's not a sure shot. Plus 4 FE reps is pushing it in my opinion.
Think about it both lyn and roy are in the games code, thats alot more than what chrom has, he is just the new fire emblem character, but honestly nobody knows anything we are all reaching for straws until 8 more days (then leading to more straw groping).
 

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Considering that Chrom doesn't provide anything different to warrant the higher priority, unlike Roy and Ike who did sport something different from Marth, it's doubtful the made up pattern is going to happen again. Roy and Ike didn't get in solely because they were flavor of the month.
I'm aware of this, I said pretty much the exact same thing yesterday. And I only brought up the "pattern" (which is merely a coincidence) because if history were to repeat itself, Chrom would be the one chosen. But I already said I didn't think that was going to happen.

It could but it easily could have not.
There is literally no proof of Lyn ever being considered to be playable. What we do have proof of is (other than Marth) two other FE characters being planned before her, at her peak. Now she has even more competition that outmatches her. Claiming ATs have higher chances or were undoubtedly considered is pretty flawed, considering a good amount of the ATs are hardly feasible fighters.
 

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Think about it both lyn and roy are in the games code, thats alot more than what chrom has, he is just the new fire emblem character, but honestly nobody knows anything we are all reaching for straws until 8 more days (then leading to more straw groping).

-_- Chrom wasn't really even out yet. So that kinda invalidates that statement. However yeah, it's not certain on anything yet. We'll just have to wait and see. Still saying only 3 reps though w/ Marth, Ike, and Roy. I feel like they can use returning characters as a point of interest for players though. Think about it...Mewtwo, Roy, and even Doc returning? People would like that a lot...besides those sour few who didn't get their character choices due to those 3.
 

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-_- Chrom wasn't really even out yet. So that kinda invalidates that statement. However yeah, it's not certain on anything yet. We'll just have to wait and see. Still saying only 3 reps though w/ Marth, Ike, and Roy. I feel like they can use returning characters as a point of interest for players though. Think about it...Mewtwo, Roy, and even Doc returning? People would like that a lot...besides those sour few who didn't get their character choices due to those 3.
Highly doubt doctor mario or pichu but the other two I can def see.

Well you can't really blame Chrom for not being in Brawl in any form. He wasn't even around yet during that time.
Yeah I know but technically both of these characters are in the game, this makes them alot more viable than most plausible characters that havent been mentioned in a ssb game.
 

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Highly doubt doctor mario or pichu but the other two I can def see.

Mewtwo and Roy are definitely the realistic ones, yes. I said maybe even Doc, but I did not mention Pichu for obvious reasons. Let's not forget Doc was Forbidden 7. While his chances aren't as good as the other 2, he still has some.

On a side note, I just realized Chrom wields Falchion in FE. That's Marth's sword in both Smash games...this may not bode well for Chrom haha. I mean they could replace Marth's sword but still...
 

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Mewtwo and Roy are definitely the realistic ones, yes. I said maybe even Doc, but I did not mention Pichu for obvious reasons. Let's not forget Doc was Forbidden 7. While his chances aren't as good as the other 2, he still has some.

On a side note, I just realized Chrom wields Falchion in FE. That's Marth's sword in both Smash games...this may not bode well for Chrom haha. I mean they could replace Marth's sword but still...
Oh i didnt know he was one of the 7, god I hope he doesnt return.... alt costume for sure just make mario better. (It still baffles me to this day how dr. mario got in smash in the first place).
 

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Yeah I know but technically both of these characters are in the game, this makes them alot more viable than most plausible characters that havent been mentioned in a ssb game.

I still don't really see why that would hold Chrom back (or any character who didn't have any data in Brawl) from getting into smash and how that makes those who did more likely but oh well. I wouldn't really know.

After all, Diddy Kong, Toon Link and even Ike and Lucario (not to mention third parties) etc etc had no data in Melee and yet they managed to become playable in Brawl just fine. Why would this hold the likes of Chrom, Zoroark and any other character who didn't have data from becoming playable in smash? :/
 

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Oh i didnt know he was one of the 7, god I hope he doesnt return.... alt costume for sure just make mario better.

Yeah I kinda agree, but Sakurai noted it'd be difficult to just change costumes, which is why he originally made him. Just cuz his moves (the Pills for example) would have to be different since he's Doc.
 

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On a side note, I just realized Chrom wields Falchion in FE. That's Marth's sword in both Smash games...this may not bode well for Chrom haha. I mean they could replace Marth's sword but still...
Having similar sword's never stopped Toon Link from making it in. Besides their swords look vastly different compared to Link and Toon Link's.
 

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I still don't really see why that would hold Chrom back (or any character who didn't have any data in Brawl) from getting into smash and how that makes those who did more likely but oh well. I wouldn't really know.

After all, Diddy Kong, Toon Link and even Ike and Lucario (not to mention third parties) etc etc had no data in Melee and yet they managed to become playable in Brawl just fine. Why would this hold the likes of Chrom, Zoroark and any other character who didn't have data from becoming playable in smash? :/
Of course other characters can make it in ( I mean they have to) but Im just saying from If you look at it from the perspective I offered they are already in a smash bros. game so they already have done something a character with no mention in the game at all has.
 
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