Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Neanderthal]

I think one important point that solidifies Marth and Ike's spots and separates them from characters like Roy or Lyn is that they have been in at least 2 Fire Emblem games. And 3 now if you include Awakening.

Sakurai has a track record of rejecting characters with only one significant appearance.

 

[TKactual]

Then 2 it is.

If my page reloads and someone took 2 just before me then I advise you all abandon the thread because it's not going to be pretty.

Spoiler

Well there yah go. You get to be the Italian plumber who wears red and rescues princesses. Welcome Mario.

 

[Curious Villager]

Of course other characters can make it in ( I mean they have to) but Im just saying from If you look at it from the perspective I offered they are already in a smash bros. game so they already have done something a character with no mention in the game at all has.

I don't really get what you mean, sorry? ^^; It's not like Sakurai and his team are lazy and are doing nothing else but recycle all the data and that they can't be arsed to make brand new characters, so they just take an assist trophy and make it playable instead. Sorry if I misunderstood your point, I'm kinda having a difficult time understanding what you're getting at... ^^;

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Hey everyone, I thought I'd come and post my predictions for SSB4's character roster. Everyone from Brawl comes back, they all deserve a spot on the roster and removing characters will just cause controversy and seeing how Sakurai stated there will be less newcomers this time around, so it would make sense to keep the veterans to compensate for that. I added Ridely, K Rool, Bowser Jr, Little Mac, Shulk, Isaac, Megaman, and Pac-Man. I don't think I need to go into any detail explaining why. I added Chrom because of how much of an impact his game had, the series was starting to die off untill Awakening came and brought it back, selling very well, Intellegant Systems made sure to make this the biggest and greatest Fire Emblem yet, it was also a heavily advertised game. It also brought all the Fire Emblem characters together in this one game through DLC (which helps keep the game relvent). Chrom is also a very popular character and a commonly requested character for Smash. Some don't like the idea of multiple swordsman representing Fire Emblem, but there really isn't any non swordsman worth adding, so I thought of the idea of giving Ike a few moves with an axe and give Chrom a few moves with a lance (there main method of attack is still the sword). Seeing how Sakurai want's to make changes to previous characters I can see this happening. As for Roy, yeah he's popular but he hasn't been relevant in a long time, if he happens to have a very important role in the new Fire Emblem crossover I might consider him, but I'm pretty sure Marth and Chrom will play much bigger roles in that game. That being said I still really like Roy (I'd rather have him over Chrom) and I think he's a viable choice, I just feel Chrom has more going for him, all Roy has going for him is popularity... and fire I guess. Toon Zelda has played a major role in two games and so has Tetra. Some dislike the idea of another version of Zelda however having the unique Tetra is essentially a brand new character, definetly better then all the one time villains. With Mewtwo I have both forms, his original form is his default and when he transforms into the new form his stats change (ones more physically powerful, specially defensive, faster, etc.) and obtains a few different moves (revolving around the tail). Muddy Mole is my surprise character because other characters like the hunting dog wouldn't do, Sheriff I question how you can make him work, plus he looks generic and Sukapon was turned down. Muddy can represtent Miyamoto's lesser known characters, puzzle games and is a new GameBoy rep which is nice. I also heard that Sakurai hinted at Muddy, but I have no evidence to back this up. So that's my roster, what do you think?

 

[Deleted member]

I call 11 if not taken already.

 

[MagnesD3]

I don't really get what you mean, sorry? ^^; It's not like Sakurai and his team are lazy and are doing nothing else but recycle all the data and that they can't be arsed to make brand new characters, so they just take an assist trophy and make it playable instead. Sorry if I misunderstood your point, I'm kinda having a difficult time understanding what you're getting at... ^^;

Sorry, I'm having a tough time understanding this one too, what exactly does this have to do with what Bajef8 and I were talking about? He mentioned how Chrom having the Falchion somehow was a bad thing for Chrom and I replied how that never affected Toon Link in any way since he also wields the Master Sword just like Link in Brawl.

Im saying that characters who have already been considered/thought of have a better chance of making it in when compared to characters that are new to being considered/though of, if that makes sense.

On the second part that was an accident, I deleted it.

 

[TKactual]

I call 11 if not taken already.

Golden you happen to be a prince. You are Marth.

 

[Neanderthal]

Hey everyone, I thought I'd come and post my predictions for SSB4's character roster. Everyone from Brawl comes back, they all deserve a spot on the roster and removing characters will just cause controversy and seeing how Sakurai stated there will be less newcomers this time around, so it would make sense to keep the veterans to compensate for that. I added Ridely, K Rool, Bowser Jr, Little Mac, Shulk, Isaac, Megaman, and Pac-Man. I don't think I need to go into any detail explaining why. I added Chrom because of how much of an impact his game had, the series was starting to die off untill Awakening came and brought it back, selling very well, Intellegant Systems made sure to make this the biggest and greatest Fire Emblem yet, it was also a heavily advertised game. It also brought all the Fire Emblem characters together in this one game through DLC (which helps keep the game relvent). Chrom is also a very popular character and a commonly requested character for Smash. Some don't like the idea of multiple swordsman representing Fire Emblem, but there really isn't any non swordsman worth adding, so I thought of the idea of giving Ike a few moves with an axe and give Chrom a few moves with a lance (there main method of attack is still the sword). Seeing how Sakurai want's to make changes to previous characters I can see this happening. As for Roy, yeah he's popular but he hasn't been relevant in a long time, if he happens to have a very important role in the new Fire Emblem crossover I might consider him, but I'm pretty sure Marth and Chrom will play much bigger roles in that game. That being said I still really like Roy (I'd rather have him over Chrom) and I think he's a viable choice, I just feel Chrom has more going for him, all Roy has going for him is popularity... and fire I guess. Toon Zelda has played a major role in two games and so has Tetra. Some dislike the idea of another version of Zelda however having the unique Tetra is essentially a brand new character, definetly better then all the one time villains. With Mewtwo I have both forms, his original form is his default and when he transforms into the new form his stats change (ones more physically powerful, specially defensive, faster, etc.) and obtains a few different moves (revolving around the tail). Muddy Mole is my surprise character because other characters like the hunting dog wouldn't do, Sheriff I question how you can make him work, plus he looks generic and Sukapon was turned down. Muddy can represtent Miyamoto's lesser known characters, puzzle games and is a new GameBoy rep which is nice. I also heard that Sakurai hinted at Muddy, but I have no evidence to back this up. So that's my roster, what do you think?

I think... learn2paragraph. Too hard to read as one huge block.

Otherwise I think it's an excellent prediction for someone new here. Muddy Mole is the only one I think doesn't belong IMO.
Palutena is the biggest omission.

 

[Curious Villager]

Im saying that characters who have already been considered/thought of have a better chance of making it in when compared to characters that are new to being considered/though of, if that makes sense.

On the second part that was an accident, I deleted it.

Oh, well then. I suppose anything is possible. I'm not sure how that necessarily increases their chances. But I guess we will have to just wait and see. :/

I guess I'll just delete the second reply as well then.

 

[Deleted member]

Golden you happen to be a prince. You are Marth.

Marth, eh?
Meh. Could be worse.

 

[Neanderthal]

Marth, eh?
Meh. Could be worse.

Wanna swap?

 

[Deleted member]

Wanna swap?

Who'd you get?
EDIT: Ah. Mario.
I'm fine with either, really. I'll just stay Marth for now.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Marth, eh?
Meh. Could be worse.

Look on the bright side, at least your fabulous now.

 

[Neanderthal]

Who'd you get?

 

[Deleted member]

Look on the bright side, at least your fabulous now.

Now?


I kid, I kid.

...Yeesh. ****** Mario is just creepy these days....
EDIT: Though strangely, 3D Land version isn't that creepy, and that wasn't that long ago.

 

[TKactual]

One of these days I feel like I should come up with some sorta weekly contest between us all. I'm gonna start brain storming. However if you win this is what you get....... bragging rights and you know your the champion for a week. But need to think of an idea. hmmmmm

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Thanks Neanderthal. Sorry about not having paragraphs, I'm using a phone and I don't know how to properly make paragraphs on it. As for Palutena I plan on making a post questioning her inclusion. I've heard many arguments for her, but I always find counter arguments against them.

 

[Bajef8]

I think... learn2paragraph. Too hard to read as one huge block.

Otherwise I think it's an excellent prediction for someone new here. Muddy Mole is the only one I think doesn't belong IMO.
Palutena is the biggest omission.

Meh Palutena isn't a big deal. Another Kid Icarus rep is doubtful, but she's the best choice if they get 2.

And Magnes, I'd say having been thought of refers to Forbidden 7 again. They were thought of (some even having win themes or voice files), giving some of those with more left over data a slight edge. ATs were people who Sakurai most likely thought should be represented, but not good enough for character status.

On a side note, can I haz 35?

 

[TKactual]

Meh Palutena isn't a big deal. Another Kid Icarus rep is doubtful, but she's the best choice if they get 2.

And Magnes, I'd say having been thought of refers to Forbidden 7and again. They were thought of, giving some of them a slight edge. ATs were people who Sakurai most likely thought should be represented, but not good enough for character status.

On a side note, can I haz 35?

Ummmm no I did post earlier what numbers have been taken. 35 was already taken.

 

[MagnesD3]

Meh Palutena isn't a big deal. Another Kid Icarus rep is doubtful, but she's the best choice if they get 2.

And Magnes, I'd say having been thought of refers to Forbidden 7 again. They were thought of (some even having win themes or voice files), giving some of those with more left over data a slight edge. ATs were people who Sakurai most likely thought should be represented, but not good enough for character status.

On a side note, can I haz 35?

I still believe (if sakurai is as thorough that I think he is) he will look over all of the popular AT's again to see if there is anyone he considers to be worthy this time around.

 

[Bajef8]

No need to be rude. Must have missed it, what page is it on?

 

[Neanderthal]

Meh Palutena isn't a big deal. Another Kid Icarus rep is doubtful, but she's the best choice if they get 2.

MmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmNo. She's a huge deal in Japan and Sakurai's new favourite toy since he made the new Kid Icarus game and gave here a huge role. Palutena will almost definitely be in.

 

[TKactual]

No need to be rude. Must have missed it, what page is it on?

Sorry wasn't trying to be. Last page which would be page 63. 2 isn't on the list but it is taken.

 

[Bajef8]

Found it, how about 21?

That's not absolute. At all. It's doubtful because a) Sakurai doesn't over rep older retro series, and b) it took him 2 games after the first Smash to add 2 reps to his own series. Don't jump to conclusions with Palutena.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Palutena has everything going for her.

I can't really think of any downsides.

That's not absolute. At all. It's doubtful because a) Sakurai doesn't over rep older retro series, and b) it took him 2 games after the first Smash to add 2 reps to his own series. Don't jump to conclusions with Palutena.

Kid Icarus isn't retro anymore.
Kid Icarus isn't his own series.
Palutena is mad popular dude. That's what got Meta-Knight and King Dedede in.

 

[Curious Villager]

I still believe (if sakurai is as thorough that I think he is) he will look over all of the popular AT's again to see if there is anyone he considers to be worthy this time around.

I don't believe anyone is denying that Assist Trophies from Brawl can't be made into fully fledged playable characters in Smash 4. I'm pretty sure we will get at least one assist trophy becoming a playable character in smash 4. I think the most likely ones are Little Mac and Starfy with maybe Samurai Goroh, Isaac, Saki, Ray MK and Lyn right behind them.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Not to mention that Kid Icarus can't really be called "retro" anymore because it has been revived.

And what Swampasaur said.

 

[MagnesD3]

I don't believe anyone is denying that Assist Trophies from Brawl can't be made into fully fledged playable characters in Smash 4. I'm pretty sure we will get at least one assist trophy becoming a playable character in smash 4. I think the most likely ones are Little Mac and Starfy with maybe Samurai Goroh, Isaac, Saki, Ray MK and Lyn right behind them.

All of those picks sound so great.

 

[Bajef8]

Palutena has everything going for her.

I can't really think of any downsides.


Kid Icarus isn't retro anymore.
Kid Icarus isn't his own series.
Palutena is mad popular dude. That's what got Meta-Knight and King Dedede in.

It's recently not retro but may as well be. It's an old obscure series that just recently came back from the dead. DDD and Meta aren't the same thing as they are from a hugely popular series with tons of games, appearances to the series, and importance to the franchise. I'm not saying she won't make it, but rather people shouldn't be saying she's a definite choice.

And clearly I meant the Kirby series. There aren't 2 Kid Icarus reps in Brawl. -_-

 

[TKactual]

Found it, how about 21?

That's not absolute. At all. It's doubtful because a) Sakurai doesn't over rep older retro series, and b) it took him 2 games after the first Smash to add 2 reps to his own series. Don't jump to conclusions with Palutena.

The second most common Nintendo character. You are link.

 

[---]

Honestly I never really counted Kid Icarus/Pit in Brawl as a Retro rep.

Palutena has everything going for her.

I can't really think of any downsides.

Technically there's the fact that Sakurai is very modest, aka the reason it took us two games before we got King Dedede and Meta Knight.

She's by no means a shoe-in, but honestly Sakurai's modesty isn't what makes me doubt her, more of the Peach & Zelda feel she gives off.

 

[TKactual]

Well how do people feel about my idea to have a weekly contest between us all? I just need to come up with some ideas.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Well how do people feel about my idea to have a weekly contest between us all? I just need to come up with some ideas.

That sounds amazing actually.

I can help with ideas if you want.

 

[TKactual]

That sounds amazing actually.

I can help with ideas if you want.

Well you know me, my focus tends to be around food so yeah you can help out with some ideas, that would be great.

 

[Neanderthal]

Found it, how about 21?

That's not absolute. At all. It's doubtful because a) Sakurai doesn't over rep older retro series, and b) it took him 2 games after the first Smash to add 2 reps to his own series. Don't jump to conclusions with Palutena.

It's not a retro series mate. Kid Icarus Uprising is quite a success on the 3DS at the moment and it's a pretty safe bet that there will be more to come.
http://au.ign.com/games/kid-icarus-uprising/3ds-14323409

It's recently not retro but may as well be. It's an old obscure series that just recently came back from the dead. DDD and Meta aren't the same thing as they are from a hugely popular series with tons of games, appearances to the series, and importance to the franchise. I'm not saying she won't make it, but rather people shouldn't be saying she's a definite choice.

If there was any character that you might call a definite choice, it would be Palutena.
(Not that anyone said that she was).

Well you know me, my focus tends to be around food so yeah you can help out with some ideas, that would be great.

There's food involved?
Count me in.

 

[Deleted member]

She's by no means a shoe-in, but honestly Sakurai's modesty isn't what makes me doubt her, more of the Peach & Zelda feel she gives off.

Not sure what you're going by here.

It's not a retro series mate. Kid Icarus Uprising is quite a success on the 3DS at the moment and it's a pretty safe bet that there will be more to come.
http://au.ign.com/games/kid-icarus-uprising/3ds-14323409

Didn't Sakurai say that he wasn't making anymore Kid Icarus games?

Not that it can't happen with another team, but it is possible for a hiatus to occur.

 

[Banjodorf]

Palutena? Not a guarantee? I'd say that's unlikely. We'll see, though.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Yea i'd say Palutena is a likely choice. Sakurai wouldn't be modest in this regard, as Palutena isn't his own character, and it would only be one rep for Kid Icarus.

Not to mention she's popular.

 

[---]

Not sure what you're going by here.

It's mostly a personal doubt that's tough to describe, is meaningless, and stems from being a worrywart, I have one with every character.

 

[AEMehr]

Didn't Sakurai say that he wasn't making anymore Kid Icarus games?

Not that it can't happen with another team, but it is possible for a hiatus to occur.

Hades did say that he'll get his revenge in another 25 years.

We have a long wait until we'll see another Kid Icarus game.