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LaniusShrike

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What I was saying....Basically is that Ganondorf does use direct force more when fighting 1v1 or close and personal if you will. Even though some don't categorize swordplay as brute force, he still uses attacks (mainly kicks) while sword fighting. That being said, who's to say all of his attacks have to be directly derived from what he's actually done in game anyhow? They don't. Starfox is a perfect example of that.

I (and many other people) think that when possible, a character's moveset should be derived from their games. The Star Fox team and Captain Falcon aren't hand-to-hand fighters so their moveset had to be invented as a necessity, but staying faithful to a character's material should be a top priority.

Ganondorf has shown what he does and does not do in combat plenty of times. It's just a pity that the creators of Smash Bros don't respect that.
 

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So what people are saying means brute force (hands feet etc.) =/= to physical strength (swordplay) So where I'm lost is the connection between this and his gameplay, since he's used magic in game, his moveset should be altered to reflect that. That's what Noah was talking about at first right? Unless I've missed something.
 

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Well then kid, go complain about the person who added in Demise to that comparison and not me, because basically you're dragging on a subject that should've been over a LONG time ago. Also, learning to read a full comment is a good idea, because when you skim, you miss alot of things.
You did make that comparisong and this argument is basically this:

I'm not your bucko, kid!

I'm not your kid, boy!

I'm not your boy, bucko!


Because this is Smashboards, topics that only require the most basic of knowledge get dragged through the mud for hours on end because people always have different views, no matter how warped they may be.
As much as I hate to say it, you're apart of that. Don't act like you aren't when you know full well you are.
 

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The subject was times that GANONDORF used physical strength. Not his creator, not Ganon, GanonDORF!, BUCKO!
TECHNICALLY, they're the same person, but lets just look at Ganondorf.

Brute force: OoT and WW (punching kids), and TP (rushing down a sage)

Magic: Shown in OoT, implied in many other games, being known as a sorceror and conjurer of dark magic.

Sword: Not OoT since we are talking about GANONDORF. Wind Waker and Twilight Princess then.

I'm not picking sides, just laying down the facts. Technically, he uses magic in all three games (OoT, WW, TP). As does him using force (though God Robert's Cousin pointed out it is only shown in cutscenes), and only in two does he use a sword (Ganon and Ganondorf are different in this scenario).

Obviously, he shows to excel at these three SEPARATE categories. So, why not all three? It doesn't have to be all magic, or all sword, or all strength. Some tilts aand aerials using his strength, smashes with his sword, and magical specials. That sounds pretty good.
 

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Because this is Smashboards, topics that only require the most basic of knowledge get dragged through the mud for hours on end because people always have different views, no matter how warped they may be.
But how does Noah have a different view on a fact? My god, it's like insisting that saying rocks are solid objects is an opinion.

There is literally not a single instance in the Zelda series where Ganondorf attacks physically outside of cutscenes. Everything else has always been swords, tridents, magic, or Ganon (having a hard time remembering any physical attacks from Ganon beyond Beast Ganon, too).
 

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As much as I hate to say it, you're apart of that.
No Noah, YOU are a part of that, in fact, you're a majority. You've taken this topic that has nothing connected to anything you're talking about and blew it out of proportion. I compare something because it's in his comment, not because I want to, and you've been dragging it on for the past half hour, acting like it's my fault for replying to his comment and the way it was structured. All I did was reply, get over it, stop replying, and move on. Glad to see you still haven't changed even after this long wait back kid, it's REALLY great, and I use that as loosely as freaking possible. I'm trying to enjoy my time back, not have a reply fest with a boy who can't even interpret a basic comment properly. Ganondorf is Demise incarnate yes, Demise was the one compared to Ganondorf's battles in that comment, all I did was simply reply and try to tell SilverJay that he misinterpreted the point of using physical force, and that said physical force comes from the use of Magic and Weapons, NOTHING ELSE.

Oh who the hell am I kidding, you'll misinterpret this too, if you even read the whole thing, probably the same "Blah Blah Blah You think you're always right" schtick like usual.
 

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So what people are saying means brute force (hands feet etc.) =/= to physical strength (swordplay) So where I'm lost is the connection between this and his gameplay, since he's used magic in game, his moveset should be altered to reflect that. That's what Noah was talking about at first right? Unless I've missed something.

Essentially, the argument started with Noah saying that Ganondorf used his brute strength over swordplay and magic, referring primarily to his fists/feet for brute strength. Swordplay was argued separately from it, so that's why we've been arguing that he relies on his sword/magic more then his brute strength.
 

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So what people are saying means brute force (hands feet etc.) =/= to physical strength (swordplay) So where I'm lost is the connection between this and his gameplay, since he's used magic in game, his moveset should be altered to reflect that. That's what Noah was talking about at first right? Unless I've missed something.

While swordplay does involve physical strength, it isn't actually brute force, since "brute force" implies using purely your strength without dexterity. Ganondorf would've been best designed to his theme if he wielded an axe or a blunt weapon like a hammer. I'm guessing someone just wanted him to be able to block attacks easily and a sword disrupts Link's sword most easily.

Anyway, new topic time.

I still don't like the Duck Hunt Dog. :p
I kind of feel the same way about him/her as I do Pokemon Trainer. They both don't have actual names and they're excuses to play using things related to the character, not the character themselves. DHD is just part of the game's UI. He's not a protagonist nor is he a villain. He's basically a "Game Over" screen to tell you that you've messed up.
 

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No Noah, YOU are a part of that, in fact, you're a majority. You've taken this topic that has nothing connected to anything you're talking about and blew it out of proportion. I compare something because it's in his comment, not because I want to, and you've been dragging it on for the past half hour, acting like it's my fault for replying to his comment and the way it was structured. All I did was reply, get over it, stop replying, and move on. Glad to see you still haven't changed even after this long wait back kid, it's REALLY great, and I use that as loosely as freaking possible. I'm trying to enjoy my time back, not have a reply fest with a boy who can't even interpret a basic comment properly. Ganondorf is Demise incarnate yes, Demise was the one compared to Ganondorf's battles in that comment, all I did was simply reply and try to tell SilverJay that he misinterpreted the point of using physical force, and that said physical force comes from the use of Magic and Weapons, NOTHING ELSE.

Oh who the hell am I kidding, you'll misinterpret this too, if you even read the whole thing, probably the same "Blah Blah Blah You think you're always right" schtick like usual.
Essentially, the argument started with Noah saying that Ganondorf used his brute strength over swordplay and magic, referring primarily to his fists/feet for brute strength. Swordplay was argued separately from it, so that's why we've been arguing that he relies on his sword/magic more then his brute strength.
So..... everything's my fault then. K. Fire Emblem anyone?
 

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What shall we discuss, I think NES Zapper would be great for a Neutral B.

While swordplay does involve physical strength, it isn't actually brute force, since "brute force" implies using purely your strength without dexterity. Ganondorf would've been best designed to his theme if he wielded an axe or a blunt weapon like a hammer. I'm guessing someone just wanted him to be able to block attacks easily and a sword disrupts Link's sword most easily.

Anyway, new topic time.

I still don't like the Duck Hunt Dog. :p
I kind of feel the same way about him/her as I do Pokemon Trainer. They both don't have actual names and they're excuses to play using things related to the character, not the character themselves. DHD is just part of the game's UI. He's not a protagonist nor is he a villain. He's basically a "Game Over" screen to tell you that you've messed up.
But he's an iconic Nintendo character for most Nintendo fans, just like Tom Nook.
 

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@Hotfeet444: You should know by now I don't read your paragraph long and highly Hypocritical rants anymore. Stop trying to get the last word in and quit acting butthurt over statements about how you are a hypocrite with warped views about several subjects (which you do: Classic Link, Impa, King Boo, etc.) and just move along with the rest of us. But, no you gotta get the last word in, or post some picture, gif, comment, and complain to every other person on this forum when I stop listening to you.

What are we talking about now? Pokemon? I'm up for that.
 

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@Hotfeet444: You should know by now I don't read your paragraph long and highly Hypocritical rants anymore. Stop trying to get the last word in and quit acting butthurt over statements about how you are a hypocrite with warped views about several subjects (which you do: Classic Link, Impa, King Boo, etc.) and just move along with the rest of us. But, no you gotta get the last word in, or post some picture, gif, comment, and complain to every other person on this forum when I stop listening to you.

What are we talking about now? Pokemon? I'm up for that.
I think we talked enough Pokemon, everyone will end up jabbering about Mewtwo, Lucario, and Jigglypuff, and PKMN Trainer staying.
 

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Let's talk about ALL Meowth all the time!


People can talk crap about the 4th Gen of Pokemon all they want, I still think Heartgold/Soulsilver and Platinum are the best Pokemon games ever made.
I personally really don't like the 4th generation games, but HeartGold and SoulSilver I love, maybe it was just the really slow pace in Diamond. I should probably get it after X and Y and Black 2 or White 2
 

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I don't think we'll ever see a 60+ roster. There'll come a point, and Sakurai is tacking this as we speak, where the roster will reach it's maximum. Not that we should be looking to Smash 5 with 4 round the corner, I think the roster will be a similar size to 4 if not the same. It won't just keep expanding. That is if there is another Smash of course.
Sorry I'm late, just got home. This was a worry of mine, and the fact that 60 seems to be the peak, Sakurai may have to make some really tough cuts. I mean REALLY tough. But hey, it's in the future, let's focus on Smash 4 for now (even though I started it).
If we ever get a third Mother rep it should be Ninten as a last minute semi-clone. It's funny how if Ninten didn't wear a hat, we'd all have him on our rosters.

This is my Ninten Move Set:

Neutral B: PK Brain Shock (like PK Freeze, but it controls differently and instead of damaging people, it stuns them)
Forward B: PK Beam (this works like PK Fire, but it pushes Ninten back a great distance. The beam has no limited traveling distance.
Downward B: Power Sheild/PSI Counter (Similar to Marth's Counter, but it has longer range, and reflects projectiles.
Upward B: PK Thunder (This thunder maintains the physics from Melee and can paralyze people similar to ZS Samus's gun.)
Face it Saturn. As cool as it would be, Ninten would turn out to be a lot like Ness and Lucas. Similar specials, probably a similar side smash. He'd be a lightweight Lucas I think. I'd rather have Porky, someone who:
A. Has been in 2 Mother games. More than anyone else!
B. Has absolutely positively no chance of being a clone. At all.

Edit: I missed "last minute Semi-Clone."
 

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I personally really don't like the 4th generation games, but HeartGold and SoulSilver I love, maybe it was just the really slow pace in Diamond. I should probably get it after X and Y and Black 2 or White 2
Did you ever try Platinum? It REALLY fixed alot, making the world much more beautiful, many more pokemon to catch, and a more deep story revolving around Team Galactic and Cyrus. It makes up for all the blunders of Diamond and Pearl and then some. Seriously, I don't know any other pokemon game where you can construct such amazing teams for just normal runs.
 

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I'd still like to hold a vote for the whole Ganondorf debate we just had.

Raise your hand and say "aye" if you don't agree with the "Ganondorf SHOULD fight like a Falcon semi-clone" notion.


Aye.
 

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Did you ever try Platinum? It REALLY fixed alot, making the world much more beautiful, many more pokemon to catch, and a more deep story revolving around Team Galactic and Cyrus. It makes up for all the blunders of Diamond and Pearl and then some. Seriously, I don't know any other pokemon game where you can construct such amazing teams for just normal runs.
I haven't but I'm planning to after I get Y and Black 2 or White 2
 

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I highly doubt Zoroark going to make it, and I highly doubt a 6th rep, but he's still likely and it's possible and logical to replace Jiggly with Meowth.
No, it's not. Jiggs is a fairy Pokemon in gen 6 and a 3 time vet. She has been more advertised in games than Meowth has. Plusle & Minun would replace Jiggs before he would.

Here is what Meowth has:

  1. Appears as an anime character
  2. ......
  3. ...
 

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Sorry I'm late, just got home. This was a worry of mine, and the fact that 60 seems to be the peak, Sakurai may have to make some really tough cuts. I mean REALLY tough. But hey, it's in the future, let's focus on Smash 4 for now (even though I started it).

Face it Saturn. As cool as it would be, Ninten would turn out to be a lot like Ness and Lucas. Similar specials, probably a similar side smash. He'd be a lightweight Lucas I think. I'd rather have Porky, someone who:
A. Has been in 2 Mother games. More than anyone else!
B. Has absolutely positively no chance of being a clone. At all.

Edit: I missed "last minute Semi-Clone."
Even still, since Mother 1 has some original PSI that aren't seen in 2 or 3, he can very well be the "Wolf" of the trio. I'm sorta against Porky tbh. I'd choose another character that has no chance of being a clone: Mr. Saturn.
 
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