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The thing is, I'm just trying to keep the roster amount at 45, as that's probably the most realistic amount that we'll get when alternate forms are not applied. As much as I didn't want R.O.B. scrapped, I did have to make some sacrifices to keep the roster at a realistic level.
That's what I'm trying to get people to do. There are so many ways to defend Ridley's size and you people come up with WINDOWS!?!? I heard a guy use REAL LIFE HANDS as an example because of Master Hand. People suck at defending why Ridley's size is not an actual problem. It makes Ridley cry at how much effort his defenders DON'T put into it.
Considering that Sakurai mentioned he had to cut a lot of characters due to time constraints and that Roy and Mewtwo had the most data, there's not any conclusion that works better than Sakurai wanted to include Mewtwo and Roy but had to cut them in mid-development to save time.
Viable, yes, but I don't think her role is larger than other potential choices. She HAS been in many, many games...but it's usually as an NPC. A guide, tutorial, or merchant. Awakening is the first instance where she is playable. So yes, she is completely viable, but I don't think she has a bigger role than Marth, Ike, Chrom, Lucina, or the Avatar.
You could kinda say the same thing for Toad.
I used the hands comparison... and it was a joke comparison, not a srs one. I think I speak for everybody when I say 99.5% of the Ridley supporters (or even just the people who think "Ridley is too big" is a bogus excuse) stopped taking it seriously somewhere around the time of 2006 or 2007. That people still argue it today baffles me, quite frankly.
Yes, but what I mean is...this still means that he prioritized other characters over Mewtwo and Roy. Ultimately, when it came down to it, he chose to cut these two in favor of Ike, Lucario, and the Trainer.
No, but I think it's telling which of the two characters is ultimately a better choice when people say "Dixie is getting in unless K. Rool is in Tropical Freeze, then he's getting in." Placed side by side, he's far more of a stand-out choice, only limited by users' arbitrary assumptions about MUH RELEVANCE.
Almost. Toad was playable early on, in SMB2 and Wario's Woods.
I hope you don't think I believe Dixie gets in over K. Rool.
**** I know how you feel. I'm preparing for the worst. Honestly, the only way it'd hurt less is if we got Fox/Falco/Krystal, and even that would make me sad.
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Jigglypuff isn't taking the place of another character. People need to stop making that stupid, baseless assumption that, "Oh Character A got in, guess Character B's chance was taken." Also Jiggs still had priority over Mewtwo in Brawl, seeing as, ya know, she's in the game and Mewtwo is not. Regardless of if she was easier to program. She was a 2 time Gen 1 vet VS a 1 time Gen 1 vet.
Woah there, I question what you say. Sakurai already delayed the game twice. Nintendo was pressuring him to get that game out, so he had to draw the line somewhere. Sonic delaying it a 2nd time was probably the only reason it was delayed twice. But a 3rd time for Mewtwo? Nope. My opinion is that the late and rushed addition of Sonic took a lot of the extra time Sakurai had for other character ideas (Mewtwo & Roy being the big ones with the most data).
Probably hurt a whole bunch more if it was Slippy replacing Wolf.
Although our views couldn't be more different, you're a fellow Luigi lover, so I forgive all of it.@Anna supporters: You should add a character based on their importance to a game series, not how many they appeared in. Anna is just an icon for Fire Emblem. She really isn't important enough to the point where she needs to be playable. Just basing on the way Sakurai views things I don't think he is interested in Anna.
I still think Dixie is more important. Why are people so confident that King K. Rool is going to be playable in Tropical Freeze anyway?
EDIT: His appearance would have no effect as the roster was finalized before the reveal of Tropical Freeze.
You do have a point, but I still don't think Sakurai considers Lucario/Pokémon Trainer/Ike a replacement of Mewtwo and Roy. And if we're going by this, it could be argued more that Toon Link, Wolf and Sonic were chosen over Mewtwo and Roy, not that Lucario/Pokémon Trainer/Ike were chosen over Mewtwo and Roy.
Oh, so now we are just deciding what counts as a reason for a character's appearance over another? And what makes you qualified to say Jiggs didn't get in over Mewtwo because of the time it would take to program her???
It's the perfect solution to Smash Brothers. Just remember that the option of DLC will have no effect on the games original roster.
Right, but what I mean there is that then...Sakurai still prioritized Ike, Lucario, and Trainer over Roy and Mewtwo. Even if those characters were cut for time-based reasons, Sakurai chose Ike over Roy and Lucario and Trainer over Mewtwo; it was still a choice. He felt that those characters were bigger priorities.
Oh, of course, everyone can believe what they'd like either way. My thoughts on the matter are, one, that users in general begin fabricating and buying into progressively stupider arguments as time passes without information (MUH RELEVANCE being an obvious one, but also stuff like "Dedede won't get in Brawl because Sakurai is humble" or "Olimar is too small"), and, two, that MUH RELEVANCE has always been a crutch for feeble-minded speculators, one that none of them gets called out on using, even when it falls flat on its face (which it does often, as Medusa and Zoroark can attest to).
This maybe a little of hindsight speaking, but Ike was not a risky pick considering the options. There was no sense of sword user fatigue. He had the most recently released game. And other than Hector, the choice to make him powerhouse in line with RD form contributed most to balance. He also was the only one to come from a 3D game and a home console game. I thinking picking any of the post-Roy FE Lords would have not been risky, but Ike was probably the least risky choice as he stood out the most.
Would a Sega Roster thread be locked to any of the moderators on this thread? Additionally one of the rules would be to include a Nintendo character like how Sega got Sonic in Brawl.
That sounds about right. Honestly, I wouldn't be convinced she could do a lot else that hasn't already been done with past FE swordsmen, save, what, using magic tomes simply because of reclassing? I'd rather see a javelin user like Chrom or Lucina, to be honest, for the fact that they're at least confirmed to be important characters in more than one Fire Emblem game (assuming the SMTxFE trailer gives us anything to go by).
That's entirely possible as well. I'm trying to avoid the word "replacement," because I don't think of them as that; Roy and Mewtwo represent their own characters and ideas. I do think, however, that Sakurai felt that the characters he put in Brawl were the best choices when compared to the characters he cut.
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I've had this one around since the beginning of July. It's not only realistic, but it's one less than 45, and still has more veterans.
I'm not using it as a means to one-up you, I'm not striving for that at all, rather the point is that you didn't really need to replace R.O.B. if you focused less on newcomers.
That's actually what I was thinking. It's a role few characters can play.
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Mmm...that's always a topic. I don't think Snake has become any less relevant now than when he was added in Brawl, but I DO think Sonic has become more relevant.
One might argue it's unfair to cut 1 third-party, but not the other. I wouldn't be ENTIRELY shocked if they were both cut.
I want Snake out, I think Snake is out.
Uhmm....do you not know what regardless means? You used that in your argument, so I was pointing out the fact that your reason, or any reason, for her appearance over Mewtwo does not matter. She was in the game. He wasn't. Only Sakurai knows why.
