Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Louie G.]

They aren't interested much in a Zelda newcomer. Just because he was the most wanted Zelda newcomer does not mean he is a highly requested character overall. Skyward Sword sold very poorly as far as the Zelda series goes in Japan.

To be fair, the West is not too interested in a Zelda newcomer either.

Thanks for the clear-up. On my roster it's between Toon Link and Ghirahim, so who do you think is the better choice?

By the way, to anyone telling Bluepikmin that Brain-Age-guy is not possible, it's highly likely that if Sakurai wanted to include him, he would be okay with that. Reggie said he would be happy to have himself in the game, so wouldn't other people too? I for one would love to be in a Smash game.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Why cut Ike as the only character? Ike is awesome, and way more important than Chrom.

 

[Jim_Puff]

Why cut Ike as the only character? Ike is awesome, and way more important than Chrom.

Well, I want to represent the new Fire Emblem game, but I don't really like having three character Fire Emblem characters in a roster.

 

[Louie G.]

I was just wondering...
Who do you guys think will be the "Mewtwo/Roy" of Smash 4?
You know, the character cut from the last installment that people want back.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Maybe Jigglypuff.

 

[Louie G.]

Maybe Jigglypuff.

That didn't occur to me, but it's very possible.
Sadly, Jiggs was low priority in Brawl, added last minute.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Some of us don't realize the big impact of Awakening. (Besides the story )
Chrom and/or Lucina deserve to be added.

 

[Jim_Puff]

That didn't occur to me, but it's very possible.
Sadly, Jiggs was low priority in Brawl, added last minute.

He/she was? I never knew this. Then Jigglypuff may be the one.

 

[Louie G.]

I honestly believe that Lucas is at high risk. I've brought this up a few times, but Sakurai (although he loves Mother 3) might see Lucas as too similar to Ness and cut him loose. I think that if anybody, Jiggs and/or Lucas are at risk of being the characters cut who everyone wants back.

 

[Autumn ♫]

That didn't occur to me, but it's very possible.
Sadly, Jiggs was low priority in Brawl, added last minute.

Possibly Jigglypuff and Toon Link.

 

[BluePikmin11]

If Lucas has to be replaced for something unique, how bout Porky.

Okay guys! My new roster has been made! :D

It's time to show you guys what I've been wasting my time on!

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CHARACTER AMOUNT: 46 Character Slots | 50 including transformations

Cut characters:

{} Ike - Since Fire Emblem: Awakening came out, a character representing the new game is a likely choice, but having three characters for Fire Emblem may be a bit much for now, and so that's why Ike was cut from my roster.

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The series I will be discussing below will only be about ones that I feel the need to discuss about and newcomers. Series like the Yoshi series didn't change at all, so there's no point in talking about it.

MARIO SERIES
Since the Mario series is pretty much Nintendo's most notable and popular franchise, another representative is probably going to show up. Bowser Junior was my choice for the new rep. We already have three protagonists and one villain, so it would not hurt to add another villain to the game. Bowser Junior is the most popular and viable choice. Other characters, like Toad or Fawful, are incredible characters with enough representation in the actual games so that they can make it into Smash, but Bowser Junior, in my opinion, is the more suitable character for Smash.


DONKEY KONG SERIES
The DK series is in need of another representative, and King K. Rool is the best choice. Sure, Dixie is great and all, but King K. Rool has huge moveset potential, is a fan favorite, and is just a cool character. It's time for King K. Rool to return and wreak havoc.

LEGEND OF ZELDA SERIES
This was a tough decision. After countless hours of pondering, and reading arguments on this very thread, I've decided the Zelda series does not need a new character. We have the main characters, Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf, and we have the counterpart of Link, Toon Link. There really is no need for another character. Characters like Impa or Toon Zelda feels a little forced, and the ideas of changing Zelda by removing Sheik or replacing Sheik with Impa isn't right, well at least in my opinion.

POKEMON SERIES
The 'newcomer,' for the Pokemon series will probably be Mewtwo. Mewtwo has gotten so popular, that it'd be very confusing to why he didn't return. Also, with the new Mega Evolutions in Pokemon X and Y, Mewtwo has gained significance in the series again. As for Lucario, he's a solid character and also very popular. In addition, Lucario gains a Mega Evolution as well, so that gives him slightly more significance as well.

What I had in mind for Mewtwo and Lucario is this:

MEWTWO: Mewtwo's final smash transforms him into Mega Mewtwo for a short period of time, and he gains a boost in strength, speed, etc.

LUCARIO: Lucario's final smash is the same as in Brawl. However, in battle, when Lucario reaches a high enough percentage, he'll automatically Mega Evolve. His attack is increased at this point. Some may think he'd be overpowered at this point, but Lucario is still at a high percentage. He can still be KO'd just as easily when in Mega form compared to him without it. It'd be a unique mechanic to him.

METROID SERIES
The Metroid series had quite the high amount of representation in terms of music, stages and items in the Smash Bros. series. But a new character for Metroid has never been added yet. Ridley is the best choice. He's super popular, and is the rival of Samus. And, he looks pretty awesome. Ridley has a superb chance of getting into Sm4sh, and so his inclusion in my roster was an obvious one.

KID ICARUS SERIES
I debated about this for a while, arguing that the Kid Icarus franchise is too small for a new rep. I changed my mind, since the Mother series seemed to get 2, and Kid Icarus can be fine with two characters representing it. And, the best choice would probably be Palutena. Magnus and Hades are cool and all, but Palutena is such a unique and fun character, that I'd rather have her than anyone else.

FIRE EMBLEM SERIES
I mentioned above that I cut Ike for a new character from Fire Emblem: Awakening. My roster says Chrom, but actually, I'd be happy with any of the following characters:

Anna
Lucina

Their cool and unique characters, and I'd be thrilled to see them in game. Chrom is the more likely choice, but Anna and Lucina are still viable characters and I'd like to see them in my roster.

OTHER SERIES
In my roster, I included some other characters as well.

Little Mac: He's a super popular character, and it's about time he made it into Smash.

Shulk: A great character with incredible potential given the success of Xenoblade.

Takamaru: A successful and great choice for a new Retro character in the series. I usually prefer Sheriff, but Takamaru is preferable to me.

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And that's it! Thanks for reading!

Feel free to critique!

All I can say is deja vu.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Lou, if these characters would be cut, I definitely think these would have a fanbase that would top Roy's:

Jigglypuff
Pokémon Trainer
Lucario
Ike
Toon Link
Lucas

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I can see Sakurai's quote holds true "People have no idea how hard we work."

That much is true with all of them.

And yeah, don't get me wrong. I know producer's do a lot, especially in bigger studio's or indie studio's where they're the only change at succeeding, but people have this strange illusion that Sakurai not only does, but is in complete control of stuff that has about 20 game designers and other producers and 200 people working at a rough guess; probably more.

 

[Opossum]

Well, I want to represent the new Fire Emblem game, but I don't really like having three character Fire Emblem characters in a roster.

Why? We almost had that in Brawl, and Fire Emblem is thirteen games going strong. What's wrong with three characters?

 

[Louie G.]

If Lucas has to be replaced for something unique, how bout Porky.

I would love that. 2 reasons why:
1. He is in both Earthbound and Mother 3
2. He would fight in a mech. If that isn't unique I don't know what is.

 

[FalKoopa]

If Lucas has to be replaced for something unique, how bout Porky.

Erm, not sure I'd be happy with that. Porky is one of my most wanted characters, yeah, but I don't want him to come at the cost of someone. Especially because Lucas is a clone in looks only. He has just 5 moves in common with Ness, really.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Yeah that would overrepresent the Mother series if I also added Porky along with Lucas and Ness.
But if Sakurai doesn't give a ___ about representation, I'm really ok with it.

 

[Louie G.]

Lou, if these characters would be cut, I definitely think these would have a fanbase that would top Roy's:

Jigglypuff
Pokémon Trainer
Lucario
Ike
Toon Link
Lucas

Sadly, cuts have to be made, and you are right on the dot with those characters, as those are the ones at the highest risk (not including Wolf and Snake).

 

[MasterOfKnees]

That much is true with all of them.

And yeah, don't get me wrong. I know producer's do a lot, especially in bigger studio's or indie studio's where they're the only change at succeeding, but people have this strange illusion that Sakurai not only does, but is in complete control of stuff that has about 20 game designers and other producers and 200 people working at a rough guess; probably more.

That's true, I cringe a little every time I hear people say "It'd be hard for Sakurai to animate" and stuff like that. In that regard I definitely agree.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

That's true, I cringe a little every time I hear people say "It'd be hard for Sakurai to animate" and stuff like that. In that regard I definitely agree.

Plus while he does have a lot of control, it's probably not nearly as much as you think. When people are saying "Hey Sakurai how are these stickers" He can say "Yeah that sucks/rocks" but hey, can't any producer?

Once again, I'm not alluding to that he doesn't work, and I know he does more outside of pick characters (which people also don't seem to know) but some of these posts make me lol

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Sadly, cuts have to be made, and you are right on the dot with those characters, as those are the ones at the highest risk (not including Wolf and Snake).

Why in the name of all things would Pokémon Trainer be at risk? And no, the 3DS isn't a problem for him. And no, he won't be replaced by 6th Gen, since Mewtwo, Lucario and Jigglypuff can all represent it. He's much like Pikachu, being in because he's an enormous fan favorite, and he can stay on that alone.

I personally think Toon Link, Wolf, Snake, Lucas and Ike are at risks, and we'll hopefully not get more than 5 cuts at that. I do however feel that all Pokémons are safe since they all have very good reason to stay.

 

[Louie G.]

Why in the name of all things would Pokémon Trainer be at risk? And no, the 3DS isn't a problem for him. And no, he won't be replaced by 6th Gen, since Mewtwo, Lucario and Jigglypuff can all represent it. He's much like Pikachu, being in because he's an enormous fan favorite, and he can stay on that alone.

I personally think Toon Link, Wolf, Snake, Lucas and Ike are at risks, and we'll hopefully not get more than 5 cuts at that. I do however feel that all Pokémons are safe since they all have very good reason to stay.

I say Pokemon Trainer only because he can be replaced by another Gen (preferably 2nd or May). That's the only reason, I think the Pokemon Trainer idea definitely stays.

Edit: Yay! 100 posts already!

 

[Lasifer]

Lucas and Ness should both stay, as both can have completely unique movesets. I plan on working on a new Lucas moveset in the future. I'd like Masked Man, Porky, or Jeff if we got a new rep. I used to be a huge MM supporter but it's died down a bit, I'm more for Porky or Jeff.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

A new Mother rep should undoubtedly be Porky Minch.

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[zauberdragon]

I've never understood cutting Ike for Roy. Melee sold about 7 million and Brawl about 11 million. While bring back Roy would make a lot of fans like us happy (the hardcore, know everything about the game types) there's a good few million more who've played as Ike but not as Roy and wouldn't want to see him cut. Both I can deal with but cutting someone who probably has more fans for someone who Sakurai has seen fit to drop in the first place would annoy more casual fans than the number of hardcore fans it would please.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Lucas and Ness should both stay, as both can have completely unique movesets. I plan on working on a new Lucas moveset in the future. I'd like Masked Man, Porky, or Jeff if we got a new rep. I used to be a huge MM supporter but it's died down a bit, I'm more for Porky or Jeff.

Don't worry, all ten of us are still here supporting Masked Man!

Honestly, Lucas and Ness should stay and we maybe get Masked Man is what I say. That way, a game called Mother 3 can come to us

 

[Lasifer]

Gold (Gen 2 Trainer) would be in my roster, but he isn't because...
1) Red is far more iconic than him
2) They didn't have a Gold pic on roster maker

 

[Arcadenik]

It doesn't matter if they're trademarked as 'Brain Age' on the other platforms. Dr. Kawashima shows up on other platforms, so he's third-party. Plus he's a real-life person, so he goes beyond third-party - he's the hypothetical 'fourth-party' if you will, even though that terminology makes no sense. He's about as far removed as a person can be from ever being playable, or even represented. Maybe if he was a fictional character he'd have a chance, and even then it would be a real freakin' slim one.

This is Will Wright, creator of SimCity.

This is Dr. Wright, mascot of the SNES game SimCity.

This is Ryuta Kawashima, a neuroscientist.

This is Dr. Kawashima, mascot of the Brain Age series.

If Dr. Wright can get in Brawl, Dr. Kawashima can get in SSB4.

 

[Louie G.]

I've never understood cutting Ike for Roy. Melee sold about 7 million and Brawl about 11 million. While bring back Roy would make a lot of fans like us happy (the hardcore, know everything about the game types) there's a good few million more who've played as Ike but not as Roy and wouldn't want to see him cut. Both I can deal with but cutting someone who probably has more fans for someone who Sakurai has seen fit to drop in the first place would annoy more casual fans than the number of hardcore fans it would please.

I say cut both. Ike replaced Roy, he can get a taste of his own medicine by Chrom replacing him. I wouldn't mind Roy coming back though, or Ike for that matter.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I say Pokemon Trainer only because he can be replaced by another Gen (preferably 2nd or May). That's the only reason, I think the Pokemon Trainer idea definitely stays.

There's also no reason to include a 3rd Gen Trainer since 3rd Gen is ages ago and it isn't exactly looking to get a remake soon. 2nd Gen missed out in the same way 5th Gen did, when the new Smash is out Heart Gold and Soul Silver will be 2 Gens behind. Plus, the work that it takes to make new Pokémons instead of just using the old wouldn't be worth it, especially considering how much Sakurai hates cuts himself.

But honestly, I wouldn't need to say all this, all I need to say is one name: Charizard.

 

[Lasifer]

I think Porky is the most likely candidate if we got another Mother rep, and I'd see him using his Mother 2 Mech rather than his Mother 3 Mech do to size, but he could have attacks from both games. I'd imagine him being a more faster heavy-weight character that can move quickly and keep distance with attacks, while also packing in decent range. I need to get working on a moveset for him soon. ^_^

 

[CalumG]

This is Will Wright, creator of SimCity.

This is Dr. Wright, mascot of the SNES game SimCity.

This is Ryuta Kawashima, a neuroscientist.

This is Dr. Kawashima, mascot of the Brain Age series.

If Dr. Wright can get in Brawl, Dr. Kawashima can get in SSB4.

That's not really the same thing. The guy in SimCity is literally just a guy who shares Wright's name - Dr. Kawashima is literally Dr. Kawashima at a lower poly count for stylistic (and DS limitation) purposes. Dr. Wright is to Will Wright what Totakeke is to Kazumi Totaka; Dr. Kawashima in Brain Age is to Dr. Kawashima what Mike Tyson in Punch-Out is to Mike Tyson.

 

[Louie G.]

There's also no reason to include a 3rd Gen Trainer since 3rd Gen is ages ago and it isn't exactly looking to get a remake soon. 2nd Gen missed out in the same way 5th Gen did, when the new Smash is out Heart Gold and Soul Silver will be 2 Gens behind. Plus, the work that it takes to make new Pokémons instead of just using the old wouldn't be worth it, especially considering how much Sakurai hates cuts himself.

But honestly, I wouldn't need to say all this, all I need to say is one name: Charizard.

I just got into Pokemon recently, and Charizard was my first starter that I leveled up completely. Charizard means quite a bit to me (I'm a bit of a Pokemaniac now) because of this, so I don't want to see Charizard go. Although, unpredictable things happen, so you never know what Sakurai's gonna pull.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

On the topic of Mother I will also say that Porky Minch would still be cool. He's for sure not my preferred rep even after Masked Man, but he could be made interesting if done right, and if Sakurai doesn't consider Masked Man possible, he's probably the only other feasible character really.

 

[shrooby]

If Dr. Wright can get in Brawl, Dr. Kawashima can get in SSB4.

As an Assist Trophy.

Never knew that about Dr. Wright's name. Interesting factoid there.

 

[Lasifer]

Poor Gen 3, never getting any love in Smash.
Representing all Gens seems to be tough in Smash, only Gen 1 and Gen 4 have ever really gotten love.

On the topic of Mother I will also say that Porky Minch would still be cool. He's for sure not my preferred rep even after Masked Man, but he could be made interesting if done right, and if Sakurai doesn't consider Masked Man possible, he's probably the only other feasible character really.

Masked Man would probably be easier to work in than Porky would.

 

[zauberdragon]

I say cut both. Ike replaced Roy, he can get a taste of his own medicine by Chrom replacing him. I wouldn't mind Roy coming back though, or Ike for that matter.

I'd say Fire Emblem deserves 3 so just add Chrom. If people are that desperate for Roy then the DLC idea is probably best, as long as the whole DLC isn't returning cut characters I wouldn't mind. If the whole DLC is just paying for cut veterans I'd see it as a wasted opportunity.

 

[Louie G.]

Poor Gen 3, never getting any love in Smash.
Representing all Gens seems to be tough in Smash, only Gen 1 and Gen 4 have ever really gotten love.

Two things:
1. I agree about the Porky mech thing, I always imagined him in his Earthbound mech.
2. I want May in Smash with Mudkip, Grovyle, and Blaziken a lot. May surpasses even my avatar as my favorite character from Gen 3 (character, not Pokemon).

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Masked Man would probably be easier to work in than Porky would.

Honestly, that's one of the things that holds him advantageous over Porky. The thing about characters like Porky (And to another extent, Sukapon and Ridley) is they take a lot of time to do, and frankly I'm gonna be blunt and say with franchises like this, Fire Emblem, and Star Fox, they'll put less attention on that because lol screw you that's why

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I just got into Pokemon recently, and Charizard was my first starter that I leveled up completely. Charizard means quite a bit to me (I'm a bit of a Pokemaniac now) because of this, so I don't want to see Charizard go. Although, unpredictable things happen, so you never know what Sakurai's gonna pull.

That's true, it's hard to predict Sakurai. However, Charizard is the fan favorite, he's even more loved by Pokémon fans than Pikachu is, and rightfully so I might add. He's keeping Ivysaur and Squirtle safe for sure.