Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Maybe add King Hippo there or would you consider him better to be an assist trophy?

.n_n.

He would be a good choice too, but I feel Mr. Sandman might be more of the villain/boss role.

King Hippo would certainly be interesting though.

 

[Lasifer]

This is my fourth post-Nintendo Direct roster, I had to make some tough choices so I had the green characters indicate my runner ups/DLC choices and even then It was tough not to include some characters.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

So I took a few minutes to give myself a visual example of what the Smash Wii U/ 3DS veteran/newcomer character pool looks like. The image itself will be later in this post, but there are a few things I'm going to cover before you lay your eyes on it.

The biggest chunk in the top left corner is what I believe is a safe assumption of characters that are more than likely going to return.

The pool directly to the right of the previous list is devoted to characters that are believed to be cut, or characters that we are not entirely sure will return. This includes Toon Link, Falco, Wolf, Sonic, Snake, Jigglypuff, Sheik, Ike and Lucario. Out of this pool, I believe that it is safe to say that at least one of the two Star Fox characters will return, if not both. I firmly believe that if Sonic is to make a return, we will see Snake make a return as well. I don't really think Sheik is going to be cut, but there is always a possibility (however ridiculously slim) that it could happen.

On to the newcomer pool in the bottom left. This group is made up of 21 characters that I threw together off the top of my head. I feel this pool covers most bases as far as popular choices or likely choices. While Sakurai has noted that we shouldn't expect as many newcomers as past installments, I believe it is safe to say we will get at least 10 new characters, including Villager, Megaman, and Wii Fit Trainer. Give or take 1-3, this gives us an idea of what we can expect.

So before I go much further, here is the picture for your viewing pleasure:

As mentioned before, the top left pool is made up of the characters I believe are the most likely to return. This pool totals in at 33 characters counting transformations (assuming Samus maintains her Zero Suit transformation). So already, we're looking at 33 characters. This roster is given to us only if those 9 characters in the "returning veteran" pool are cut out of the game. However, I find it incredibly unlikely that we would see that many cuts, especially considering that several of the characters from that list are incredibly popular choices from Brawl. I think it is safe to say that we'll see at least Falco and/ or Wolf, Ike has the popularity and importance to Fire Emblem, Lucario is still heavily promoted for Pokemon as a series, Sheik is an important asset to Zelda, Snake and Sonic are both popular within Smash and have nothing really against their inclusion besides opinion (especially seeing as though Sonic is making his presence known on the Wii U).

The newcomers are up to your discretion. Fill in who you like. But I'm hoping that this kind of helps people look at the roster a little differently with a visual aid.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Current 44 Roster:

Current 48 Roster (w/ DLC Ideas):

 

[Deleted member]

You kidding? John is such an egotistical murrican that I'd rather put my tongue in a wood chipper.

thirdkoopa on the other hand...

How many others are there? How long have you been window shopping?!?

(...why am I STILL doing this?)

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Some Smash Posters done in Photoshop, thoughts?
I have more but only wanted to post a few to see what you think.

 

[Gune]

Just noticed how much mewtwo looks like Giegue now....Im calling him giegue from now on

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Some Smash Posters done in Photoshop, thoughts?
I have more but only wanted to post a few to see what you think.

Not enough Fire Emblem.

In all seriousness, those are pretty cool looking and well done.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Not enough Fire Emblem.

In all seriousness, those are pretty cool looking and well done.

Thanks, I will eventually post the others (I have like 40 something done) but will have to post little bit by little bit since they are big.

 

[Glaciacott]

Those make me think of Smash as a kpop boy band reunion.

Not that I'd mind that ...

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Hoenn remake is not likely in the slightest. Gen one and Gen two were remade because Gamefreak felt that Red / Blue and Gold / Silver weren't balanced games. So they remade them so they could be experienced in a more balanced environment.

Source?

I don't know if there will be a Gen 3 remake, but if GameFreak feels like they can get $$$ out of it, then they'll do it.

You know what should be a trophy
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I actually thought that was a 3D model of a Virtual Boy with arms and legs for a second there.
Imagine playing as a walking Virtual Boy in Smash Bros. XD

I'd actually like to see the Virtual Boy goggles as an item. They allow the fighter to shoot powerful LAZAR BEAMS out of their eyes, but at the expense of making it hard to see the screen. (like a bubble around the fighter)

I don't hate the VB, though. I'm just sad that it sucked. It had some awesome games. And it came out on my 3rd birthday, too... (July 21, 1995)

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[Diddy Kong]

I don't think there's been that many top tier characters who have THAT GOOD of an good air game

...but I'm probably wrong.

MetaKnight, Diddy, Marth, Wario, Pikachu, Falco in Brawl

Fox, Sheik, Peach, Marth, Falco, Jigglypuff, Captain Falcon in Melee

It's QUITE important to have a good aerial game.

 

[StupendousMike]

Hey, guys. I was bored so I made a roster for a hypothetical all-female version of Smash (Super Bash Sisters, I guess?) Here it is.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Would probably kick out Daisy for Pauline, just cause I can. But overall, cool roster. Jigglypuff could also count as a female however. Or is she part of the female Kanto Trainer's team?

Big up for adding: Dixie, Impa, Tetra, Lyn and Kumatora btw.

 

[Glaciacott]

Lacking Jigglypuff, Nana, Jody Summer, and Ms. Game and Watch. I'd also include Viridi over Medusa, but that's just my preference.

edit: Oh yea, and third parties: Amy Rose, Roll, and Ms. Pac-Man.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Lacking Jigglypuff, Nana, Jody Summer, and Ms. Game and Watch. I'd also include Viridi over Medusa, but that's just my preference.

edit: Oh yea, and third parties: Amy Rose, Roll, and Ms. Pac-Man.

I agree, but you forgot Meryl Silverburgh. (or The Boss, depending on which you prefer)

The roster should also have Micaiah.

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[Thirdkoopa]

You kidding? John is such an egotistical murrican that I'd rather put my tongue in a wood chipper.

thirdkoopa on the other hand...

<3

This is my fourth post-Nintendo Direct roster, I had to make some tough choices so I had the green characters indicate my runner ups/DLC choices and even then It was tough not to include some characters.

i like your avatar

 

[mimgrim]

"He had a presence in Brawl, which doesn't help him get in over Tiki. My gut says so."

Alrighty then.

I didn't even mention Tiki in my reply to you, idiot. Way to put words into my mouth I didn't even say you moronic idiot, as I don't appreciate it at all. -_-

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

I didn't even mention Tiki in my reply to you, idiot. Way to put words into my mouth I didn't even say you moronic idiot, as I don't appreciate it at all. -_-

You're calling me a moronic idiot now, 9 pages after the subject ended? I'm definitely sensing some hostility from you.

- instead of any FE lord? That is highly debatable as allot of the lords just aren't as relevant anymore. Tiki has at least been playable in 5 games and played a major role in 4 of those 5 games and a decently important role in the 5th one. She is also one of the more uniques choices for a FE rep. Ofc this doesn't mean she is all that likely, but I am also going for a unique roster as this is Sakurai we are talking about and generally I would say the unique looking rosters are closer then the "realistic" rosters almost everyone puts up.

You had claimed Tiki was a more realistic choice on part of, and I quote, "the unique looking rosters are closer then the "realistic" rosters almost everyone puts up". Meanwhile, you're saying Isaac has already missed his chance and that he's unlikely to get into Smash Bros. now, despite having presence in Brawl while Tiki had none. Tiki, the more unique choice, will get in over Isaac, because "most importantly of all it is a gut feeling I have". You didn't mention her in your reply because she's already implied as applying to the subject at hand. You're in no stance to call me the moron when you yourself can't even justify your own logic beyond it being just your opinion.

In my personal opinion assist trophy status means jack squat since by that logic Devil would be more likely then Tamagon, just an example btw. Same goes for having a song, means jack squat to me and doesn't help support anything. To me it those 2 things are the same as stages, just because a stage is there doesn't mean a character of that stage will be there and people point this out all the time to someone who says it does mean something. The only thing that means something there is that he is popular and while this a benefit, past endicates it isn't always enough. Id I'm not mistaken he had allot of support in Brawl to and I feel that if he were to get in as a character it would have been then, I just think he might have missed his chance so to speak. And most importantly of all it is a gut feeling I have.

Please don't attack me when you don't have the means to back it up.

 

[NickerBocker]

Heres another roster from me.

Reasons for cuts:
Toon Link: replaced by Vaati. This one is controversial,obviously, because sakurai says 2 links are important,but at the same time hes going for uniqueness. One of links should get a rework, otherwise it should be Vaati.

Reasons for Inclusion:
Bowser junior: its not all that unlikely mario gets another rep. They had 5 in brawl, and there is a slew of other additions that are also possible. Between bowser jr and toad all the way down to Geno, bowser jr gets my pick.

King k rool: Dixie Kong interchangeable, I dont think I need to explain this. I will say that I think 4 reps is possible, but not likely.

Vaati: its a good way to rep the toon zelda games without including toon link. Ganondorf is to the master sword as Vaati is to the four sword. Its a similar concept. Vaati can have all the slashing and hacking with the four sword, but heavy magic with the special attacks.

Ridley: no explanation necessary

Palutena: Sakurai created the personality for the character, and im sure he had smash in mind when making characters for the game. I would be upset if she wasnt included.

Wolf: my last roster didnt have him, but the fox series needs some reworks. I can stand one clone, but 2 with the same final smash is where I draw the line. I know wolf isnt as cloney as Falco, but more can be done with both characters.

Mewtwo: he can come back alongside Lucario, they are not the same. Although I do hope Mewtwo is improved more.

Chrom: it seems like if anyone is getting in from FE, it would be between chrom and roy. While im okay with either, I really liked Awakening so I put Chrom in instead of roy.

Little Mac: whether or not the leak is true, I think little mac should be included. That stage seems to be a good sign.

Takamaru: a good retro character inclusion. I would like to see a stage. A samurai character would be cool

Shulk: Xenoblade showed us that better hardware isnt always the better game. With a new x game coming out, and monoloth being exclusively nintendo, shulk would be a great addition.

Isaac: either him or Saki, I chose Isaac. I think he has potential and uniqueness.

Mii: this all depends on whether Sakurai wants miis in based on the violence thing.

Rayman: Ubisoft is supporting the Wii U, and rayman legends has alot of exclusive features. Hes pretty unique and has a quirky personality. The only problem is Rayman isnt very big in Japan

So there it is guys, what do you think?

 

[Curious Villager]

I highly doubt Vaati would make it in if Toon Link isn't there either. It's like having Wolf but not Fox or any villain without the hero I guess. If you want a "unique" 4th Zelda character I'd say go for either Impa or Tingle (but I see him representing his own series though but if that's not much of an issue then go for it I guess).

 

[N3ON]

I highly doubt Vaati would make it in period. If there was any time to add him it was Brawl, Sakurai obviously thinks at least two other Zelda characters (that aren't on his roster) warrant inclusion more. And he'd have no reason to think differently now, Toon Link/Zelda have only made more appearances, while Vaati hasn't.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Why adult Isaac? I'd get rid of Bowser Jr. for Toad. I'd put Vaati out for Toon Link. Everything else seems fine.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Heres another roster from me.
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Reasons for cuts:
Toon Link: replaced by Vaati. This one is controversial,obviously, because sakurai says 2 links are important,but at the same time hes going for uniqueness. One of links should get a rework, otherwise it should be Vaati.

Reasons for Inclusion:
Bowser junior: its not all that unlikely mario gets another rep. They had 5 in brawl, and there is a slew of other additions that are also possible. Between bowser jr and toad all the way down to Geno, bowser jr gets my pick.

King k rool: Dixie Kong interchangeable, I dont think I need to explain this. I will say that I think 4 reps is possible, but not likely.

Vaati: its a good way to rep the toon zelda games without including toon link. Ganondorf is to the master sword as Vaati is to the four sword. Its a similar concept. Vaati can have all the slashing and hacking with the four sword, but heavy magic with the special attacks.

Ridley: no explanation necessary

Palutena: Sakurai created the personality for the character, and im sure he had smash in mind when making characters for the game. I would be upset if she wasnt included.

Wolf: my last roster didnt have him, but the fox series needs some reworks. I can stand one clone, but 2 with the same final smash is where I draw the line. I know wolf isnt as cloney as Falco, but more can be done with both characters.

Mewtwo: he can come back alongside Lucario, they are not the same. Although I do hope Mewtwo is improved more.

Chrom: it seems like if anyone is getting in from FE, it would be between chrom and roy. While im okay with either, I really liked Awakening so I put Chrom in instead of roy.

Little Mac: whether or not the leak is true, I think little mac should be included. That stage seems to be a good sign.

Takamaru: a good retro character inclusion. I would like to see a stage. A samurai character would be cool

Shulk: Xenoblade showed us that better hardware isnt always the better game. With a new x game coming out, and monoloth being exclusively nintendo, shulk would be a great addition.

Isaac: either him or Saki, I chose Isaac. I think he has potential and uniqueness.

Mii: this all depends on whether Sakurai wants miis in based on the violence thing.

Rayman: Ubisoft is supporting the Wii U, and rayman legends has alot of exclusive features. Hes pretty unique and has a quirky personality. The only problem is Rayman isnt very big in Japan

So there it is guys, what do you think?

Props for adding Vaati!

 

[NickerBocker]

I highly doubt Vaati would make it in if Toon Link isn't there either. It's like having Wolf but not Fox or any villain without the hero I guess. If you want a "unique" 4th Zelda character I'd say go for either Impa or Tingle (but I see him representing his own series though but if that's not much of an issue then go for it I guess).

I highly doubt Vaati would make it in period. If there was any time to add him it was Brawl, Sakurai obviously thinks at least two other Zelda characters (that aren't on his roster) warrant inclusion more. And he'd have no reason to think differently now, Toon Link/Zelda have only made more appearances, while Vaati hasn't.

If Sakurai is going for uniqueness, having 2 art styles of the same character is not unique whatsoever. There is just more potential with Vaati, or I think there would be. The problem with tingle is that he has a large hate base, I think Sakurai knows this. Impa, well, I can picture her being like shiek, but shiek would have to go (which I dont think will happen.)

Why adult Isaac?

I actually dont care which design they use for Isaac, I picked it because it (arguably) looks the best.

 

[N3ON]

If Sakurai is going for uniqueness, having 2 art styles of the same character is not unique whatsoever. There is just more potential with Vaati, or I think there would be. The problem with tingle is that he has a large hate base, I think Sakurai knows this. Impa, well, I can picture her being like shiek, but shiek would have to go (which I dont think will happen.)

That'd be a fine argument if Sakurai hadn't already shown a preference to include a second Link. Twice. You're arguing against him here. Sure, Vaati does have potential, but so do minor characters in the Zelda series, potential by itself doesn't really outweigh overall importance to the series, which a second Link has more of, and which matters more to Sakurai. Especially since Toon Link (or really any second Link) also has potential to be unique, even if Sakurai doesn't want to implement another moveset (or doesn't have time).

I actually dont care which design they use for Isaac, I picked it because it (arguably) looks the best.

That's not really how Sakurai works though. He'd likely go for the most iconic appearance (if the appearances are drastically different like Isaac's). Which is the GS1/2 and AT design.

 

[mimgrim]

You're calling me a moronic idiot now, 9 pages after the subject ended? I'm definitely sensing some hostility from you.



You had claimed Tiki was a more realistic choice on part of, and I quote, "the unique looking rosters are closer then the "realistic" rosters almost everyone puts up". Meanwhile, you're saying Isaac has already missed his chance and that he's unlikely to get into Smash Bros. now, despite having presence in Brawl while Tiki had none. Tiki, the more unique choice, will get in over Isaac, because "most importantly of all it is a gut feeling I have". You didn't mention her in your reply because she's already implied as applying to the subject at hand. You're in no stance to call me the moron when you yourself can't even justify your own logic beyond it being just your opinion.



Please don't attack me when you don't have the means to back it up.

You are making the assumpotion the Tiki I put Tiki in over Isaac, which isn't the case. I put Tiki in over Chrom/roy, because of what she can offer. Not Isaac. Isaac has nothing to do with Tiki and Tiki has nothing to do with Isaac and definatly wasn't put in my roster to get in over Isaac. I chose Tiki over Chrom/roy, not Isaac. Isaac isn't there because Tiki is there. Isaac is there because I don't see him getting in this next game, it isn't some stupid **** of picking Tiki over Isaac. And I no way implied that was the case and if you are going to attack a specific character I put in for getting over X character you had better attack them all as in technicality they all got in over Isaac, not just Tiki. And Tiki wasn't even put in as a though of getting over Isaac but as a thought of an alternative to Chrom/Roy. Now if you had included all my newcomers, or even just a 3rd FE rep in general instead of just Tiki specificly, in your statement you would have had a little more ground but it would have probably been even more stupid. And I never got on the computer yesterday which is why I was late in replying. And yes I woke up on the wrong side of bed today, sue me.

 

[NickerBocker]

That'd be a fine argument if Sakurai hadn't already shown a preference to include a second Link. Twice. You're arguing against him here. Sure, Vaati does have potential, but so do minor characters in the Zelda series, potential by itself doesn't really outweigh overall importance to the series, which a second Link has more of, and which matters more to Sakurai. Especially since Toon Link (or really any second Link) also has potential to be unique, even if Sakurai doesn't want to implement another moveset (or doesn't have time).



That's not really how Sakurai works though. He'd likely go for the most iconic appearance (if the appearances are drastically different like Isaac's). Which is the GS1/2 and AT design.

I find 2 links unnecessary, as do many other people. Sakurais comments contradict each other. He wants 2 links in the game, but at the same time wanting uniqueness. Having a different artstyle of the same character means theyre going to draw some similarities, its inevitable. I dont disagree with you that toon link is more important, but at the end of the day he is still link. I also dont consider Vaati as a minor character, Zant is alot more minor being in one game and he had support for Brawl. I would honestly prefer Masked Link, where 3 different movesets represent the supporting races in the game, which is very important to 3d zelda games, but I know that is very unlikely

Oh and the Isaac thing, I should have been more clear. The design is unimportant to me. I know its important to Sakurai, but to me, it doesnt matter. I just picked a picture.

 

[Curious Villager]

I think the reason why Sakurai finds a younger Link very important is because the vast majority of Zelda games involved a younger Link throughout the course of the series. About 14 out of 17 Zelda games involved a younger Link (With Ocarina of Time having both a younger and adult Link). Not to mentioned that the series started out with one. He didn't choose Toon Link because of the art style but because he basically represents the vast majority of Zelda games and the series roots. It's easy to see why Sakurai doesn't want to let go of the younger Link's.

The reason why he sticks with an adult Link as the default one is probably because their more popular.

That's just me giving my two cents though.

 

[NickerBocker]

I guess the main thing I want is just one Link. Just one. Usually with clones, one is always better than the other, leaving the latter stuck in mediocrity. Dr Mario was better than Mario, Toon link played better because his recovery wasnt garbage. I even think young link was better (dem fire arrows)
This is really my problem. The better clone will always be picked, making the other useless.
Not saying if there is another link he will be a clone, byt they will always be similar

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I find 2 links unnecessary, as do many other people. Sakurais comments contradict each other. He wants 2 links in the game, but at the same time wanting uniqueness. Having a different artstyle of the same character means theyre going to draw some similarities, its inevitable. I dont disagree with you that toon link is more important, but at the end of the day he is still link. I also dont consider Vaati as a minor character, Zant is alot more minor being in one game and he had support for Brawl. I would honestly prefer Masked Link, where 3 different movesets represent the supporting races in the game, which is very important to 3d zelda games, but I know that is very unlikely

Oh and the Isaac thing, I should have been more clear. The design is unimportant to me. I know its important to Sakurai, but to me, it doesnt matter. I just picked a picture.

If Sakurai wants two Links and a uniqueness, he would Luigi-fy Toon Link. (giving him some more moves of his own) and with what we've heard from Sakurai so far, if Toon Link was to return, I have faith that Toon Link would have some good changes done to him.

And I believe having a second Link, a child Link if you will, is important to Sakurai due to several games also staring a child Link, rather than an adult Link. And what better young Link to choose than Wind Waker's cartoon style? Plus, this particular style has been used for 3 games and the art style of a few others, and the Wind Waker styled Zeldas proved to be rather successful. (Wind Waker became a bit more popular later on, sometime after when it first came out)

The one thing I fear for Toon Link is that he may not have enough want from fans to return.

That all aside, I'll respect your opinion.

 

[N3ON]

I find 2 links unnecessary, as do many other people.

Not Sakurai though.

Sakurais comments contradict each other. He wants 2 links in the game, but at the same time wanting uniqueness.

First off, Sakurai actions's should be taken above Sakurai's statements. The statements he gives are often half-truths at best, he'd never show his whole hand. Developers rarely do.

When he's making his "first round choices", yes, that is when he prioritized uniqueness and potential and what they can add, but when he gets to the expendable characters, the ones that are on the chopping block like Toon Link, Wolf, Jiggs, and the Forbidden 7, that's when he just pads the roster instead of differentiating it. That's when uniqueness takes a back seat. Now, unless you mean to say Vaati would be considered a high-priority character along the lines of Villager and WFT (which he obviously won't be), it's pretty clear that Toon Link (or another second Link) would be the likely choice, he's a relatively easy clone to implement, Sakurai has done it twice in the past, and a child Link does have significant importance to the series, more than any other potential Zelda newcomers.

Having a different artstyle of the same character means theyre going to draw some similarities, its inevitable. I dont disagree with you that toon link is more important, but at the end of the day he is still link.

Right, but obviously this isn't a problem to Sakurai. Hell, Sakurai has included OoT Link and Young Link in the same game. They have the same art style, and they're the SAME LINK. So Links of different art-styles really shouldn't be a problem.

I also dont consider Vaati as a minor character, Zant is alot more minor being in one game and he had support for Brawl.

I didn't mean to imply Vaati was a minor character, I just meant having the potential to be unique is nothing special, as even minor characters would also have it.

I would honestly prefer Masked Link, where 3 different movesets represent the supporting races in the game, which is very important to 3d zelda games, but I know that is very unlikely

If a MM remake is planned, I'd hazard a guess that it'd be more likely than Vaati. I agree though, it's pretty unlikely.

Oh and the Isaac thing, I should have been more clear. The design is unimportant to me. I know its important to Sakurai, but to me, it doesnt matter. I just picked a picture.

I see. Well it's not a huge deal or anything, but even the design chosen for a character does matter to an extent in prediction rosters. Because it can lead to stuff like this.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

You are making the assumpotion the Tiki I put Tiki in over Isaac, which isn't the case. I put Tiki in over Chrom/roy, because of what she can offer. Not Isaac. Isaac has nothing to do with Tiki and Tiki has nothing to do with Isaac and definatly wasn't put in my roster to get in over Isaac. I chose Tiki over Chrom/roy, not Isaac. Isaac isn't there because Tiki is there. Isaac is there because I don't see him getting in this next game, it isn't some stupid **** of picking Tiki over Isaac. And I no way implied that was the case and if you are going to attack a specific character I put in for getting over X character you had better attack them all as in technicality they all got in over Isaac, not just Tiki. And Tiki wasn't even put in as a though of getting over Isaac but as a thought of an alternative to Chrom/Roy. Now if you had included all my newcomers, or even just a 3rd FE rep in general instead of just Tiki specificly, in your statement you would have had a little more ground but it would have probably been even more stupid. And I never got on the computer yesterday which is why I was late in replying. And yes I woke up on the wrong side of bed today, sue me.

It doesn't matter who you're replacing in specific. Tiki is in your roster. Isaac is not. Tiki is in over Isaac. This is so straightforward that I'm having a hard time believing you're arguing with me about this.

My point is that you see Tiki, who doesn't have a ton of merit to be in Smash Bros. in the first place, as a completely plausible choice, yet at the same time you see Isaac as less qualified than her and therefore unworthy of being in Smash Bros. I'm not saying Tiki has no chance whatsoever to be in Smash Bros., but for god's sake, a recurrent character whose sole niche is to fight by turning into something completely different versus the main character of a new series who has appeared in every game of that series... And the former one is the one more likely to get in? I don't buy it.

Say we're talking about Little Mac versus Slippy in terms of getting in a roster. The two have nothing to do with eachother, that's understood. But say you placed Slippy, a recurrent character in a franchise already in Smash, in your roster and not Little Mac, the main character of his series. This would mean that Slippy is in your roster, but Little Mac is not. Slippy is in over Little Mac to you, in other words. Still following me? This is the exact same scenario you and I are having right now with Tiki and Isaac.

And I don't care if you forgot to reply yesterday, there's a certain social tactness you're missing to be calling me a moronic idiot for something I said a long time ago. That's like suddenly punching someone 5 days after they insult you rather than just getting over it for not saying anything at the time. Nobody else is talking about this right now. I made a point you disagreed with and you never refuted while the subject was still relevant. Nobody empathizes that, nobody cares. Get over it.

 

[Curious Villager]

The one thing I fear for Toon Link is that he may not have enough want from fans to return.

Well he certainly has from the Japanese fans. Although so I've heard from a few people here.

Toon Link was one of Japan's most wanted characters during the Brawl days and now with Wind Waker HD on the horizon Sakurai would probably want to keep him instead of replacing him again with a different younger Link just like how he didn't replace TP Link with SS Link. At least going off by these few things. But who knows I guess. :/

 

[shinhed-echi]

[quote="DragonSniperNintendo, post: 15797800, member: 216944"
As for the Pokemon reps, I have two questions:

1. If Gen 5 got a boss instead, who should it be? I say N with Reshiram and Zekrom in N's Castle.

2. If we got a Multi-Gen Trainer/Mega-Evolution Trainer (or a mix of both) who should it be?

If Mult-Gen I say Chikorita, Dewott, and Blaziken
If Mega-Evolution I say Lucario, Mewtwo, and Blaziken
If Mixed I say Blastoise, Meganium, and Blaziken[/quote]



1.- N would be an amazing boss. With 3 Legendary Pokemon of his own. I sadly don't know the names of the important Gen 5 Pokemon, so I say N.

2.- If we get an ADDED Trainer (outside Red) that happens to be multi-gen.

Ibblybuff (Would take over Jigglypuff's moveset) GEN II
Plusle+Minum (they'd come out of TWO pokeballs instead of 1. They would work like two Pichus "glued" together) GEN III
Lucario (Nobody will miss Double Team.. At least nobody on the competitive scene) GEN IV
FINAL SMASH: Reshiram

Although I'm fine with the current Pokemon cast, especially if Red comes back.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Well he certainly has from the Japanese fans. Although so I've heard from a few people here.

Toon Link was one of Japan's most wanted characters during the Brawl days and now with Wind Waker HD on the horizon Sakurai would probably want to keep him instead of replacing him again with a different younger Link just like how he didn't replace TP Link with SS Link. At least going off by these few things. But who knows I guess. :/

I honestly don't think theres need for a young Link that ISN'T Toon Link at this point, personally, but I still understand why Sakurai would want to keep a second Link regardless. Like you said, with Wind Waker HD coming out Sakurai would probably want to keep Toon Link instead of relpacing or cutting him.

 

[Curious Villager]

I honestly don't think theres need for a young Link that ISN'T Toon Link at this point, personally, but I still understand why Sakurai would want to keep a second Link regardless. Like you said, with Wind Waker HD coming out Sakurai would probably want to keep Toon Link instead of relpacing or cutting him.

Yeah, like I said, Toon Link is very well liked in Japan as TP Link is very well liked here in the west. There is not really much of a point in replacing them when you can just keep the fan favourites. Not to mention that they both have little reason to be replaced anyway. Maybe in the next Smash they may do but right now it's best to just stick with the Twilight Princess and Wind Waker designs. The Newer Zelda games can always be represented through the stages for now in this game. Or maybe have the protagonists as alternate costumes if that's possible...

 

[NickerBocker]

I enjoy this conversation
This may sound kind of selfish but hear me out.
I like to play as Link. In Brawl, I got pretty good with him. Most consider Toon Link better, but I continue to play as Link. They have very similar moves and play the same, so my question is whats the point of having Link if Toon Link is better?
If I had the choice to play as a character, or the same character only better, wouldnt I choose the better one every single time? It makes the worse one redundant. I dont want to be put at a disadvantage right at the start because I could have picked a slightly modified version of the same character.

Thats the issue im addressing. Redundancy. Now I would be completely okay with having Toon Link if they switched up some moves, but if he stays the same this will continue. One Link will be better than the other, and the other wont be used as much or ever. This is my problem with clones.
Imagine if in street fighter, Ken was slightly worse than Ryu, would you play as Ken if you knew that? No. Nobody playing to win would try it.

Essentially, Toon Link is fine, but please change a few moves and the playstyle.

 

[Curious Villager]

I enjoy this conversation
This may sound kind of selfish but hear me out.
I like to play as Link. In Brawl, I got pretty good with him. Most consider Toon Link better, but I continue to play as Link. They have very similar moves and play the same, so my question is whats the point of having Link if Toon Link is better?
If I had the choice to play as a character, or the same character only better, wouldnt I choose the better one every single time? It makes the worse one redundant. I dont want to be put at a disadvantage right at the start because I could have picked a slightly modified version of the same character.

Thats the issue im addressing. Redundancy. Now I would be completely okay with having Toon Link if they switched up some moves, but if he stays the same this will continue. One Link will be better than the other, and the other wont be used as much or ever. This is my problem with clones.
Imagine if in street fighter, Ken was slightly worse than Ryu, would you play as Ken if you knew that? No. Nobody playing to win would try it.

Essentially, Toon Link is fine, but please change a few moves and the playstyle.

Well I do respect that you don't just follow what everyone else does and just try and get better as the characters you like. Same for me, people generally agree on Mewtwo being crap but that doesn't stop me from playing as him and getting good with him. (Although I have been playing as Peach and Marth more lately and haven't touched Mewtwo for a while) Even if it was the opposite way and Link was better than Toon Link I would still play as Toon Link more regardless since he was my most wanted character for Brawl and my personal favourite out of the two.

Although you may have a hard time with Tournaments though but what do I know, I never went to any tournaments before... I would like to though. ^^

That's why Sakurai should try and do his best to improve the game's balance and with Namco by his side (I never played any of their fighting games but I've heard good things about them) it should hopefully be a big improvement. Yeah having many characters is nice and all, but if the balance is poor you will just end up with more No-Items! Fox only! Final Destination! like battles anyway.

Even if Link and Toon Link end up having similar moves again, they should at least try and balance them in a way so that they can fit two different playstyles so any player with a specific preference of playstyle can just choose whichever one suits their taste better. Which I'm sure is easier said than done though, especially if you have a very large roster. The sad part is also that the younger Link's are usually last minute additions thus they usually don't have much time in balancing them out very well. But with Sakurai hoping to do Balance patches after release that should hopefully get resolved a little.

Of course that's probably just wishful thinking. I'd be all with Toon Link getting a revamped moveset though. I do want him to stay but if he's indeed cut, oh well I guess there is still Villager, Ness and Mario for me. (And maybe a few newcomers I like and the return of Mewtwo)

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Hello, friends! What are we talking about today?

Can I just start off by saying that if Toon Link get's cut it's not gonna be to add a new Zelda Character.